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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 5:49 pm
The stuff you read daily: https://twitter.com/BasedSavannah/statu ... 22720?s=20

Jesus.
Should I repost your comment every time you cite CNN from now on?
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youthathletics wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 9:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 5:49 pm
The stuff you read daily: https://twitter.com/BasedSavannah/statu ... 22720?s=20

Jesus.
Should I repost your comment every time you cite CNN from now on?
Yes…..please do. That’s fine. It’s not the source….it’s the content you dabble in…..
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 9:39 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 9:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 5:49 pm
The stuff you read daily: https://twitter.com/BasedSavannah/statu ... 22720?s=20

Jesus.
Should I repost your comment every time you cite CNN from now on?
Yes…..please do. That’s fine. It’s not the source….it’s the content you dabble in…..
My timeline is primarily News, Sports, and friends. I suppose the algorithm just pumps in more news.

I liked a few tweets from Paige Spiranac and now I’m getting friggen light porn with tiddies. 😂😂
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youthathletics wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 9:44 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 9:39 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 9:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 5:49 pm
The stuff you read daily: https://twitter.com/BasedSavannah/statu ... 22720?s=20

Jesus.
Should I repost your comment every time you cite CNN from now on?
Yes…..please do. That’s fine. It’s not the source….it’s the content you dabble in…..
My timeline is primarily News, Sports, and friends. I suppose the algorithm just pumps in more news.

I liked a few tweets from Paige Spiranac and now I’m getting friggen light porn with tiddies. 😂😂
I refrain from hitting a “like” button and don’t read “comments” attached to articles on the internet….YMMV….I don’t really know what a “timeline” is…. Mine is the 24 hours in a day.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:11 am Tucker Carlson now arguing that he doesn't see why we shouldn't support Russia over Ukraine...
Any real doubt about where Hannity will be?

Salty's been correct that France and Germany are influenced by their economic interests, gas pipeline etc. What he doesn't recognize is that Trump has pushed them very hard to no longer see their alliance with the US as dependable, thus they need to make it non-essential.

So....when does Ukraine simply get reabsorbed into Russian sphere...and who will object on the Trump-GOP-Fox-Breitbart-OANN side?

anyone?

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:11 am Salty's been correct that France and Germany are influenced by their economic interests, gas pipeline etc. What he doesn't recognize is that Trump has pushed them very hard to no longer see their alliance with the US as dependable, thus they need to make it non-essential
Note date...
That part did not age well.

From Defense One's D brief :

One year into efforts to boost production of artillery rounds for Ukraine, the United States and Europe are seeing radically different results, Defense One’s Sam Skove reported Monday.

The gist: The U.S. has increased its output of 155mm shells far faster than it originally forecasted, and plans to increase it further. But Europe has moved more slowly than it intended to, hampered by the consensus-focused nature of regional alliances. Meanwhile NATO, whose own procurement agency is also pursuing the acquisition of more 155mm rounds, is finding that prices have quadrupled.

For one fairly dramatic illustration of the differences, consider this: In October, NATO’s senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,170) at the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,500). For comparison, the U.S. currently pays $3,000 for its most modern shells, according to an Army spokesperson.

Scholz spoke to lawmakers as Germany faces a dire financial crunch, which is forcing the country to take on more debt for the fourth consecutive year,

NATO’s battlefield assessment for Ukraine: “Even though the frontline has not moved so much, the Ukrainians have been able to inflict heavy losses on the Russian forces,” Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters Tuesday during a meeting of alliance foreign ministers in Brussels.

Reminder: “Most people in non-Western countries want Russia’s war on Ukraine to end as soon as possible, even if it means Kyiv ceding territory,” according to pollsters with the European Council on Foreign Relations, writing about two weeks ago.

Additional reading: “'At what cost?' Ukraine strains to bolster its army as war fatigue weighs,” Reuters reported Tuesday from Kyiv.
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Rooskies reportedly currently losing 900 dead PER DAY currently. How long that that rate of casualty last?
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Russia has a much larger population to draw conscripts from than Ukraine has.
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old salt wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:08 am Russia has a much larger population to draw conscripts from than Ukraine has.
And they really like those Siberian conscripts. ‘Cause, you know, they’re not really Russian… Long history of fcuking the population east of the Urals. Payback for the Golden Horde, I guess.
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Kismet wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:06 am Rooskies reportedly currently losing 900 dead PER DAY currently. How long that that rate of casualty last?
That’s a good sign.
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Kismet wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:06 am Rooskies reportedly currently losing 900 dead PER DAY currently. How long that that rate of casualty last?
Usually there’s a negatively sloping curve and the numbers decay. This may not be usual though.
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old salt wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:11 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:11 am Salty's been correct that France and Germany are influenced by their economic interests, gas pipeline etc. What he doesn't recognize is that Trump has pushed them very hard to no longer see their alliance with the US as dependable, thus they need to make it non-essential
Note date...
That part did not age well.

From Defense One's D brief :

One year into efforts to boost production of artillery rounds for Ukraine, the United States and Europe are seeing radically different results, Defense One’s Sam Skove reported Monday.

The gist: The U.S. has increased its output of 155mm shells far faster than it originally forecasted, and plans to increase it further. But Europe has moved more slowly than it intended to, hampered by the consensus-focused nature of regional alliances. Meanwhile NATO, whose own procurement agency is also pursuing the acquisition of more 155mm rounds, is finding that prices have quadrupled.

For one fairly dramatic illustration of the differences, consider this: In October, NATO’s senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,170) at the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,500). For comparison, the U.S. currently pays $3,000 for its most modern shells, according to an Army spokesperson.

Scholz spoke to lawmakers as Germany faces a dire financial crunch, which is forcing the country to take on more debt for the fourth consecutive year,

NATO’s battlefield assessment for Ukraine: “Even though the frontline has not moved so much, the Ukrainians have been able to inflict heavy losses on the Russian forces,” Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters Tuesday during a meeting of alliance foreign ministers in Brussels.

Reminder: “Most people in non-Western countries want Russia’s war on Ukraine to end as soon as possible, even if it means Kyiv ceding territory,” according to pollsters with the European Council on Foreign Relations, writing about two weeks ago.

Additional reading: “'At what cost?' Ukraine strains to bolster its army as war fatigue weighs,” Reuters reported Tuesday from Kyiv.
:D Yup, the NATO alliance has rebounded from Trump's attempt to break it. Good thing for the Ukrainians, good thing for western democracies.

But hey, obviously the production of artillery shells is a challenge that had not seen such a strain since WWII. Darn "regional alliances", everyone should be on their own...let Ukraine fall to Putin's aggression. Baltics? who cares? Poland? They were part of Russia weren't they?

Trump would have said "not our problem, let Putin have Ukraine, I get along with Vlad". Upside, lots of artillery shells left in the stockpile...

Tucker Carlson now arguing that he doesn't see why we shouldn't support Russia over Ukraine...
Any real doubt about where Hannity will be?


And look what Trump and MAGA are saying now...
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Openly rooting for Trump/MAGA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJ4onc8LKw
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:12 pm Openly rooting for Trump/MAGA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJ4onc8LKw
But a pretty darn accurate description of the dynamics at play...yes, they're rooting for the chaos of Trump and they know who the House MAGA supports, Russia over Ukraine. I got a chuckle out of the attempt to portray Trump as anti-Russia in his first term because he was accused in 2016 of being a Russian agent and he had to prove he wasn't by being tough on Russia...I'd have loved to have asked them if they thought Trump was tougher on Russia than Biden...
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:04 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:11 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:11 am Salty's been correct that France and Germany are influenced by their economic interests, gas pipeline etc. What he doesn't recognize is that Trump has pushed them very hard to no longer see their alliance with the US as dependable, thus they need to make it non-essential
Note date...
That part did not age well.

From Defense One's D brief :

One year into efforts to boost production of artillery rounds for Ukraine, the United States and Europe are seeing radically different results, Defense One’s Sam Skove reported Monday.

The gist: The U.S. has increased its output of 155mm shells far faster than it originally forecasted, and plans to increase it further. But Europe has moved more slowly than it intended to, hampered by the consensus-focused nature of regional alliances. Meanwhile NATO, whose own procurement agency is also pursuing the acquisition of more 155mm rounds, is finding that prices have quadrupled.

For one fairly dramatic illustration of the differences, consider this: In October, NATO’s senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,170) at the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,500). For comparison, the U.S. currently pays $3,000 for its most modern shells, according to an Army spokesperson.

Scholz spoke to lawmakers as Germany faces a dire financial crunch, which is forcing the country to take on more debt for the fourth consecutive year,

NATO’s battlefield assessment for Ukraine: “Even though the frontline has not moved so much, the Ukrainians have been able to inflict heavy losses on the Russian forces,” Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters Tuesday during a meeting of alliance foreign ministers in Brussels.

Reminder: “Most people in non-Western countries want Russia’s war on Ukraine to end as soon as possible, even if it means Kyiv ceding territory,” according to pollsters with the European Council on Foreign Relations, writing about two weeks ago.

Additional reading: “'At what cost?' Ukraine strains to bolster its army as war fatigue weighs,” Reuters reported Tuesday from Kyiv.
:D Yup, the NATO alliance has rebounded from Trump's attempt to break it. Good thing for the Ukrainians, good thing for western democracies.

But hey, obviously the production of artillery shells is a challenge that had not seen such a strain since WWII. Darn "regional alliances", everyone should be on their own...let Ukraine fall to Putin's aggression. Baltics? who cares? Poland? They were part of Russia weren't they?

Trump would have said "not our problem, let Putin have Ukraine, I get along with Vlad". Upside, lots of artillery shells left in the stockpile...

Tucker Carlson now arguing that he doesn't see why we shouldn't support Russia over Ukraine...
Any real doubt about where Hannity will be?


And look what Trump and MAGA are saying now...
So why didn't Putin just seize Ukraine when Trump was President ?

Artillery shells aren't the only expensive critical shortage. Reloads for air defense systems are a concern.
Our (& allied} defense industrial base can't keep up.
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old salt wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:04 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:11 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:11 am Salty's been correct that France and Germany are influenced by their economic interests, gas pipeline etc. What he doesn't recognize is that Trump has pushed them very hard to no longer see their alliance with the US as dependable, thus they need to make it non-essential
Note date...
That part did not age well.

From Defense One's D brief :

One year into efforts to boost production of artillery rounds for Ukraine, the United States and Europe are seeing radically different results, Defense One’s Sam Skove reported Monday.

The gist: The U.S. has increased its output of 155mm shells far faster than it originally forecasted, and plans to increase it further. But Europe has moved more slowly than it intended to, hampered by the consensus-focused nature of regional alliances. Meanwhile NATO, whose own procurement agency is also pursuing the acquisition of more 155mm rounds, is finding that prices have quadrupled.

For one fairly dramatic illustration of the differences, consider this: In October, NATO’s senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,170) at the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,500). For comparison, the U.S. currently pays $3,000 for its most modern shells, according to an Army spokesperson.

Scholz spoke to lawmakers as Germany faces a dire financial crunch, which is forcing the country to take on more debt for the fourth consecutive year,

NATO’s battlefield assessment for Ukraine: “Even though the frontline has not moved so much, the Ukrainians have been able to inflict heavy losses on the Russian forces,” Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters Tuesday during a meeting of alliance foreign ministers in Brussels.

Reminder: “Most people in non-Western countries want Russia’s war on Ukraine to end as soon as possible, even if it means Kyiv ceding territory,” according to pollsters with the European Council on Foreign Relations, writing about two weeks ago.

Additional reading: “'At what cost?' Ukraine strains to bolster its army as war fatigue weighs,” Reuters reported Tuesday from Kyiv.
:D Yup, the NATO alliance has rebounded from Trump's attempt to break it. Good thing for the Ukrainians, good thing for western democracies.

But hey, obviously the production of artillery shells is a challenge that had not seen such a strain since WWII. Darn "regional alliances", everyone should be on their own...let Ukraine fall to Putin's aggression. Baltics? who cares? Poland? They were part of Russia weren't they?

Trump would have said "not our problem, let Putin have Ukraine, I get along with Vlad". Upside, lots of artillery shells left in the stockpile...

Tucker Carlson now arguing that he doesn't see why we shouldn't support Russia over Ukraine...
Any real doubt about where Hannity will be?


And look what Trump and MAGA are saying now...
So why didn't Putin just seize Ukraine when Trump was President ?

Artillery shells aren't the only expensive critical shortage. Reloads for air defense systems are a concern.
Our (& allied} defense industrial base can't keep up.
I've answered your question now dozens of times.

Putin thought he could achieve the incorporation of Ukraine into the Russian sphere without the huge expenditure of arms and men from his side...with Trump's help in dismantling NATO, undermining Ukraine's resistance and desires to turn westward. NATO in disarray was good for Putin domestically, especially within the hard line folks. That changed when Trump lost in 2020. Putin saw Biden reenergizing the alliance, rebuilding trust between allies, and decided that the situation would get harder for Russia, and for him personally, if he didn't act...part of that was cracking down on all dissent within Russia and the other was to show his hard liners he would act...

Yes, our industrial base is strained to keep up...so is Russia's.
What's the takeaway, Russia should just expand its borders because it's costly to stop them?
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:40 am
old salt wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:04 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:11 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:11 am Salty's been correct that France and Germany are influenced by their economic interests, gas pipeline etc. What he doesn't recognize is that Trump has pushed them very hard to no longer see their alliance with the US as dependable, thus they need to make it non-essential
Note date...
That part did not age well.

From Defense One's D brief :

One year into efforts to boost production of artillery rounds for Ukraine, the United States and Europe are seeing radically different results, Defense One’s Sam Skove reported Monday.

The gist: The U.S. has increased its output of 155mm shells far faster than it originally forecasted, and plans to increase it further. But Europe has moved more slowly than it intended to, hampered by the consensus-focused nature of regional alliances. Meanwhile NATO, whose own procurement agency is also pursuing the acquisition of more 155mm rounds, is finding that prices have quadrupled.

For one fairly dramatic illustration of the differences, consider this: In October, NATO’s senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,170) at the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,500). For comparison, the U.S. currently pays $3,000 for its most modern shells, according to an Army spokesperson.

Scholz spoke to lawmakers as Germany faces a dire financial crunch, which is forcing the country to take on more debt for the fourth consecutive year,

NATO’s battlefield assessment for Ukraine: “Even though the frontline has not moved so much, the Ukrainians have been able to inflict heavy losses on the Russian forces,” Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters Tuesday during a meeting of alliance foreign ministers in Brussels.

Reminder: “Most people in non-Western countries want Russia’s war on Ukraine to end as soon as possible, even if it means Kyiv ceding territory,” according to pollsters with the European Council on Foreign Relations, writing about two weeks ago.

Additional reading: “'At what cost?' Ukraine strains to bolster its army as war fatigue weighs,” Reuters reported Tuesday from Kyiv.
:D Yup, the NATO alliance has rebounded from Trump's attempt to break it. Good thing for the Ukrainians, good thing for western democracies.

But hey, obviously the production of artillery shells is a challenge that had not seen such a strain since WWII. Darn "regional alliances", everyone should be on their own...let Ukraine fall to Putin's aggression. Baltics? who cares? Poland? They were part of Russia weren't they?

Trump would have said "not our problem, let Putin have Ukraine, I get along with Vlad". Upside, lots of artillery shells left in the stockpile...

Tucker Carlson now arguing that he doesn't see why we shouldn't support Russia over Ukraine...
Any real doubt about where Hannity will be?


And look what Trump and MAGA are saying now...
So why didn't Putin just seize Ukraine when Trump was President ?

Artillery shells aren't the only expensive critical shortage. Reloads for air defense systems are a concern.
Our (& allied} defense industrial base can't keep up.
I've answered your question now dozens of times.

Putin thought he could achieve the incorporation of Ukraine into the Russian sphere without the huge expenditure of arms and men from his side...with Trump's help in dismantling NATO, undermining Ukraine's resistance and desires to turn westward. NATO in disarray was good for Putin domestically, especially within the hard line folks. That changed when Trump lost in 2020. Putin saw Biden reenergizing the alliance, rebuilding trust between allies, and decided that the situation would get harder for Russia, and for him personally, if he didn't act...part of that was cracking down on all dissent within Russia and the other was to show his hard liners he would act...

Yes, our industrial base is strained to keep up...so is Russia's.
What's the takeaway, Russia should just expand its borders because it's costly to stop them?
Another winter is arriving. The long hyped counter offensive (which we pushed them into) has failed. Casualties remain high on both sides. Shortages of critical munitions persist. Small tactical victories, like securing a small bridgehead on the L bank of the Dnipro or drone boat attacks, are hyped, but aren't game changers. The line of control is not changing significantly.

Political support in the west is dissipating. Continued funding is being debated in the US & EU.
Have you given any realistic thought as to how this ends & if it is worth the cost in blood & treasure ?

Over the past 20 years, we've lead the Ukrainians down a primrose path of revolutions, regime changes & finally a war as our proxies, which has destroyed much of their country & devastated their population & society. It did not have to go this way. Had Ukraine gone the way of Belarus & joined the Union State, a tremendous amount of suffering would have been averted, & long term stability would have been promoted. You neocons have your latest forever war. This time via proxy (so far). You've created a 4 nation axis against us, for an open ended Cold War. A sad send off for Henry K. https://www.ft.com/content/c43f8269-b30 ... 8a137f1dd6
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When some people talk about lives lost in other countries I wonder how little they care when they use that as a cheap prop to try and win an argument.
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