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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:49 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:39 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:00 am "Trump scares me less than what his enemies are willing to do to thwart him."

Dismantling democracy, punishing political opponents, and placing the United States in a fully transactional relationship with all of its erstwhile allies is better than protecting democracy, and providing leadership in the world. Four years of creating division, allowing an outlet to white supremacists, and cultivating every worst quality of the country...well, four more years!! Hard to believe this guy took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
Old Trump or Old Sardine
You privy to OSs service record? Could you give him pointers on how to fly? When did you earn your naval aviators wings? You can feel free to disparage him because your likely not talented enough to accomplish what he did in his career as a naval officer. :D I'm certain your actually envious of the fact you didn't have the talent or the necessary skills to be a naval aviator.
No. More familiar with Old Mike Flynn’s though….you PAB…. :lol:
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:13 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:09 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:55 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:33 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:14 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:52 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:36 am https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/me ... s-alabama/

"When Don Fletcher checked the mailbox outside his newspaper’s office on Main Street in late September, he found a little gold mine waiting for him......
Now you can see how this same thing could have happened to Trump, as he received tidbits of intel in his mailbox, which ruffled feathers inside the bowels of the new 1% club he was now a new member. Or how a sneaky little dossier shows up in US Capitol mailbox of John McCain and gains traction. Not so far fetched....
That’s the takeaway?
Of course not. But I also could not let this micro level scenario slide-by, in a town of 36k, when by comparison with nuance, equally be applied to higher level stories we've all argued over and over; there is commonality in all things.
Maybe you are a little obsessed with Trump?
:lol: I see what you did there.
You love him.

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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:37 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:42 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:15 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:18 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:15 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:13 am Salty, it's the pattern of your choices that people notice and critique, whether as hypocrisy or as tacit acceptance/support.

Pretending to 'care' about one side's perfidies while ignoring one's own "team's" objectively greater perfidies is easy to discern.
That's rich, coming from you.

I've never claimed to be anything other than a partisan Conservative Republican. I make no apologies.
I may disagree with specific policies, decisions or officials, but I conclude that we are better off with the (R)'s in charge.

You claim to still be a (R), but you never give credit to anything that came out of the Trump Admin or the (R) led House, without using it as a launch pad for another screed against Trump & MAGA RW WCN extremists.
:lol: :lol: :lol: You used to claim to be a moderator…..
I moderated incivility, not content.
:lol: :lol: :lol: you must be misremembering ….anyway, your self identification is actually truthful.
🤣🤣
Funny, Salty was always ridiculously biased, whether as a mod or as a poster.

Salty, I feel like I’ve answered this dumb question 100 times. There are a huge number of Republicans I’ve favored over Democrats whether national or state, but MAGA thoroughly dominates now and you’re correct, there are very few surging profiles in courage among elected national politicians now. Most people like me have been forced out of office or if not a politician have gone “independent “ for now.

It says a ton that you are full on MAGA . But no worries, we’ve had you pegged for a long while.
:roll: ...you said you did not follow the politics forum on LP.

I'm not full on MAGA. You just don't when or where I'm not, because I don't whine about it. :lol:

obtw -- what's the MAGA abortion policy ?
You are mistaken. I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.

I don’t think abortion is a “MAGA” determinant. That said, many who self identify as MAGA or “partisan Conservative Republican “ include the most extreme advocates of government control of reproductive health, specifically women’s health. But it doesn’t define MAGA from my perspective. Indeed, there’s a variety of extremist and whacko conspiracy theorists who populate MAGA, no single belief or extreme view being required, rather it is the embrace and acceptance of extremism and bigotry in the ranks, the acceptance or even embrace of violations of propriety and law, indeed the celebration of such, all to achieve and maintain power. That’s what defines MAGA and that’s what drives people like me away.
I think driving people like you away from the party would be a win for the MAGA Republicans. Im certain they would gladly tell you to make sure the door doesn't hit you in your ass on the way out. MAGA Republicans look at you and your vision for the party and believe your vision of bipartisanship is kowtowing to the Democrats that play moderate Republicans like a Stradivarius. You seriously think the MAGA Republicans care if they drive you away? Where you gonna go and who are you going to vote for?? IMO that is why this country needs a viable 3rd party. Republicans and Democrats are failing this country more every year. Hell they can't even stop bitching at each other long enough to pass a real budget. Continuing resolutions are an embarrassment to this nation and disturbing proof of the never ending ongoing dysfunction in Washington DC.
Good to agree about something.

IMO, the MAGA cult has driven away those who believe in our system of cooperative, competitive, governance. They are solely interested in accruing and keeping power, with such power of government used to achieve their individual or sub group aims without majority approval. They are willing to abandon the rule of law in this aim. They even encourage and celebrate cruelty, violence and bigotry if that serves the drive to power.

I don’t see the Democrats as being so far down the toilet flush. Plenty to critique but I’m putting my priority on restoration of cooperative governance and the rule of law.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:31 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:37 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:42 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:15 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:18 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:15 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:13 am Salty, it's the pattern of your choices that people notice and critique, whether as hypocrisy or as tacit acceptance/support.

Pretending to 'care' about one side's perfidies while ignoring one's own "team's" objectively greater perfidies is easy to discern.
That's rich, coming from you.

I've never claimed to be anything other than a partisan Conservative Republican. I make no apologies.
I may disagree with specific policies, decisions or officials, but I conclude that we are better off with the (R)'s in charge.

You claim to still be a (R), but you never give credit to anything that came out of the Trump Admin or the (R) led House, without using it as a launch pad for another screed against Trump & MAGA RW WCN extremists.
:lol: :lol: :lol: You used to claim to be a moderator…..
I moderated incivility, not content.
:lol: :lol: :lol: you must be misremembering ….anyway, your self identification is actually truthful.
🤣🤣
Funny, Salty was always ridiculously biased, whether as a mod or as a poster.

Salty, I feel like I’ve answered this dumb question 100 times. There are a huge number of Republicans I’ve favored over Democrats whether national or state, but MAGA thoroughly dominates now and you’re correct, there are very few surging profiles in courage among elected national politicians now. Most people like me have been forced out of office or if not a politician have gone “independent “ for now.

It says a ton that you are full on MAGA . But no worries, we’ve had you pegged for a long while.
:roll: ...you said you did not follow the politics forum on LP.

I'm not full on MAGA. You just don't when or where I'm not, because I don't whine about it. :lol:

obtw -- what's the MAGA abortion policy ?
You are mistaken. I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.

I don’t think abortion is a “MAGA” determinant. That said, many who self identify as MAGA or “partisan Conservative Republican “ include the most extreme advocates of government control of reproductive health, specifically women’s health. But it doesn’t define MAGA from my perspective. Indeed, there’s a variety of extremist and whacko conspiracy theorists who populate MAGA, no single belief or extreme view being required, rather it is the embrace and acceptance of extremism and bigotry in the ranks, the acceptance or even embrace of violations of propriety and law, indeed the celebration of such, all to achieve and maintain power. That’s what defines MAGA and that’s what drives people like me away.
I think driving people like you away from the party would be a win for the MAGA Republicans. Im certain they would gladly tell you to make sure the door doesn't hit you in your ass on the way out. MAGA Republicans look at you and your vision for the party and believe your vision of bipartisanship is kowtowing to the Democrats that play moderate Republicans like a Stradivarius. You seriously think the MAGA Republicans care if they drive you away? Where you gonna go and who are you going to vote for?? IMO that is why this country needs a viable 3rd party. Republicans and Democrats are failing this country more every year. Hell they can't even stop bitching at each other long enough to pass a real budget. Continuing resolutions are an embarrassment to this nation and disturbing proof of the never ending ongoing dysfunction in Washington DC.
Good to agree about something.

IMO, the MAGA cult has driven away those who believe in our system of cooperative, competitive, governance. They are solely interested in accruing and keeping power, with such power of government used to achieve their individual or sub group aims without majority approval. They are willing to abandon the rule of law in this aim. They even encourage and celebrate cruelty, violence and bigotry if that serves the drive to power.

I don’t see the Democrats as being so far down the toilet flush. Plenty to critique but I’m putting my priority on restoration of cooperative governance and the rule of law.
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Ahh Instagram…

Instagram’s Algorithm Delivers Toxic Video Mix to Adults Who Follow Children - WSJ

Nov. 27, 2023 5:30 am ET
The Journal sought to determine what Instagram’s Reels algorithm would recommend to test accounts set up to follow only young gymnasts, cheerleaders and other teen and preteen influencers active on the platform.

Instagram’s system served jarring doses of salacious content to those test accounts, including risqué footage of children as well as overtly sexual adult videos—and ads for some of the biggest U.S. brands.

The Journal set up the test accounts after observing that the thousands of followers of such young people’s accounts often include large numbers of adult men, and that many of the accounts who followed those children also had demonstrated interest in sex content related to both children and adults. The Journal also tested what the algorithm would recommend after its accounts followed some of those users as well, which produced more-disturbing content interspersed with ads.

In a stream of videos recommended by Instagram, an ad for the dating app
Bumble
appeared between a video of someone stroking the face of a life-size latex doll and a video of a young girl with a digitally obscured face lifting up her shirt to expose her midriff. In another, a Pizza Hut commercial followed a video of a man lying on a bed with his arm around what the caption said was a 10-year-old girl.

The Canadian Centre for Child Protection, a child-protection group, separately ran similar tests on its own, with similar results.

Meta said the Journal’s tests produced a manufactured experience that doesn’t represent what billions of users see. The company declined to comment on why the algorithms compiled streams of separate videos showing children, sex and advertisements, but a spokesman said that in October it introduced new brand safety tools that give advertisers greater control over where their ads appear, and that Instagram either removes or reduces the prominence of four million videos suspected of violating its standards each month.

The Journal reported in June that algorithms run by Meta, which owns both Facebook and Instagram, connect large communities of users interested in pedophilic content. The Meta spokesman said a task force set up after the Journal’s article has expanded its automated systems for detecting users who behave suspiciously, taking down tens of thousands of such accounts each month. The company also is participating in a new industry coalition to share signs of potential child exploitation.

Companies whose ads appeared beside inappropriate content in the Journal’s tests include
Disney
,
Walmart
, online dating company
Match Group
, Hims, which sells erectile-dysfunction drugs, and The Wall Street Journal itself. Most brand-name retailers require that their advertising not run next to sexual or explicit content.

“Our systems are effective at reducing harmful content, and we’ve invested billions in safety, security and brand suitability solutions,” said Samantha Stetson, a Meta vice president who handles relations with the advertising industry. She said the prevalence of inappropriate content on Instagram is low, and that the company invests heavily in reducing it.


Instagram owner Meta, whose headquarters, above, is in Menlo Park, Calif., created Reels to compete with the video-sharing platform TikTok. Photo: Kori Suzuki for The Wall Street Journal
After the Journal contacted companies whose ads appeared in the testing next to inappropriate videos, several said that Meta told them it was investigating and would pay for brand-safety audits from an outside firm.

Following what it described as Meta’s unsatisfactory response to its complaints, Match began canceling Meta advertising for some of its apps, such as Tinder, in October. It has since halted all Reels advertising and stopped promoting its major brands on any of Meta’s platforms. “We have no desire to pay Meta to market our brands to predators or place our ads anywhere near this content,” said Match spokeswoman Justine Sacco.

Robbie McKay, a spokesman for Bumble, said it “would never intentionally advertise adjacent to inappropriate content,” and that the company is suspending its ads across Meta’s platforms.

Charlie Cain, Disney’s vice president of brand management, said the company has set strict limits on what social media content is acceptable for advertising and has pressed Meta and other platforms to improve brand-safety features. A company spokeswoman said that since the Journal presented its findings to Disney, the company had been working on addressing the issue at the “highest levels at Meta.”

Walmart declined to comment, and Pizza Hut didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Hims said it would press Meta to prevent such ad placement, and that it considered Meta’s pledge to work on the problem encouraging.

The Journal said that it was alarmed that its ad appeared next to a video of an apparent adult sex act and that it would demand action from Meta.

Meta created Reels to compete with TikTok, the video-sharing platform owned by Beijing-based ByteDance. Both products feed users a nonstop succession of videos posted by others, and make money by inserting ads among them. Both companies’ algorithms show to a user videos the platforms calculate are most likely to keep that user engaged, based on his or her past viewing behavior.

The Journal reporters set up the Instagram test accounts as adults on newly purchased devices and followed the gymnasts, cheerleaders and other young influencers. The tests showed that following only the young girls triggered Instagram to begin serving videos from accounts promoting adult sex content alongside ads for major consumer brands, such as one for Walmart that ran after a video of a woman exposing her crotch.

When the test accounts then followed some users who followed those same young people’s accounts, they yielded even more disturbing recommendations. The platform served a mix of adult pornography and child-sexualizing material, such as a video of a clothed girl caressing her torso and another of a child pantomiming a sex act.

Disturbing Mix

In Wall Street Journal tests, Instagram’s Reels service delivered streams of short videos showing risqué footage of children, overtly sexual adult videos and ads from big brands.


Adult content creator uncrosses her legs to reveal her underwear.

Length

of video

Sprinter at a track meet runs over a small boy who steps onto the track.

Disney ad promoting Disneyland’s Coco-themed “Plaza de la Familia.”

Young woman wearing lingerie and a furry tail poses with fake blood dripping from her mouth.

Child in a bathing suit records herself posing in a mirror.

Adult content creator gives a come-hither motion.

Girl twerking in a car while song with sexual lyrics plays.

Experts on algorithmic recommendation systems said the Journal’s tests showed that while gymnastics might appear to be an innocuous topic, Meta’s behavioral tracking has discerned that some Instagram users following preteen girls will want to engage with videos sexualizing children, and then directs such content toward them.

“Niche content provides a much stronger signal than general interest content,” said Jonathan Stray, senior scientist for the Center for Human-Compatible Artificial Intelligence at the University of California, Berkeley.


In the Journal’s test accounts, ads for Disneyland, above, ran next to videos of a sexual nature. A Disney executive said the company has pressed Meta to improve brand-safety features Photo: Dania Maxwell/Los Angeles Times/Getty Images
Current and former Meta employees said in interviews that the tendency of Instagram algorithms to aggregate child sexualization content from across its platform was known internally to be a problem. Once Instagram pigeonholes a user as interested in any particular subject matter, they said, its recommendation systems are trained to push more related content to them.

Preventing the system from pushing noxious content to users interested in it, they said, requires significant changes to the recommendation algorithms that also drive engagement for normal users. Company documents reviewed by the Journal show that the company’s safety staffers are broadly barred from making changes to the platform that might reduce daily active users by any measurable amount.

The test accounts showed that advertisements were regularly added to the problematic Reels streams. Ads encouraging users to visit Disneyland for the holidays ran next to a video of an adult acting out having sex with her father, and another of a young woman in lingerie with fake blood dripping from her mouth. An ad for Hims ran shortly after a video depicting an apparently anguished woman in a sexual situation along with a link to what was described as “the full video.”

Even before the 2020 launch of Reels, Meta employees understood that the product posed safety concerns, according to former employees.

Part of the problem is that automated enforcement systems have a harder time parsing video content than text or still images. Another difficulty arises from how Reels works: Rather than showing content shared by users’ friends, the way other parts of Instagram and Facebook often do, Reels promotes videos from sources they don’t follow.

In an analysis conducted shortly before the introduction of Reels, Meta’s safety staff flagged the risk that the product would chain together videos of children and inappropriate content, according to two former staffers. Vaishnavi J, Meta’s former head of youth policy, described the safety review’s recommendation as: “Either we ramp up our content detection capabilities, or we don’t recommend any minor content,” meaning any videos of children.

At the time, TikTok was growing rapidly, drawing the attention of Instagram’s young users and the advertisers targeting them. Meta didn’t adopt either of the safety analysis’s recommendations at that time, according to J.

Stetson, Meta’s liaison with digital-ad buyers, disputed that Meta had neglected child safety concerns ahead of the product’s launch. “We tested Reels for nearly a year before releasing it widely, with a robust set of safety controls and measures,” she said.

Video-sharing platforms appeal to social-media companies because videos tend to hold user attention longer than text or still photos do, making them attractive for advertisers.


Social-media platforms like videos because they tend to hold user attention longer than text or still photos do. Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg at an event in September. Photo: Godofredo A. Vásquez/Associated Press
After initially struggling to maximize the revenue potential of its Reels product, Meta has improved how its algorithms recommend content and personalize video streams for users.

Social-media platforms and digital advertising agencies often describe inappropriate ad placements as unfortunate mistakes. But the test accounts run by the Journal and the Canadian Centre for Child Protection suggest Meta’s platforms appeared to target some digital marketing at users interested in sex.

Among the ads that appeared regularly in the Journal’s test accounts were those for “dating” apps and livestreaming platforms featuring adult nudity, massage parlors offering “happy endings” and artificial-intelligence chatbots built for cybersex. Meta’s rules are supposed to prohibit such ads.

The Journal informed Meta in August about the results of its testing. In the months since then, tests by both the Journal and the Canadian Centre for Child Protection show that the platform continued to serve up a series of videos featuring young children, adult content and apparent promotions for child sex material hosted elsewhere.

As of mid-November, the center said Instagram is continuing to steadily recommend what the nonprofit described as “adults and children doing sexual posing.”

After the Journal began contacting advertisers about the placements, and those companies raised questions, Meta told them it was investigating the matter and would pay for brand-safety auditing services to determine how often a company’s ads appear beside content it considers unacceptable.

Meta hasn’t offered a timetable for resolving the problem or explained how in the future it would restrict the promotion of inappropriate content featuring children.

The Journal’s test accounts found that the problem even affected Meta-related brands. Ads for the company’s WhatsApp encrypted chat service and Meta’s Ray-Ban Stories glasses appeared next to adult pornography. An ad for Lean In Girls, the young women’s empowerment nonprofit run by former Meta Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg, ran directly before a promotion for an adult sex-content creator who often appears in schoolgirl attire. Sandberg declined to comment.

Through its own tests, the Canadian Centre for Child Protection concluded that Instagram was regularly serving videos and pictures of clothed children who also appear in the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children’s digital database of images and videos confirmed to be child abuse sexual material. The group said child abusers often use the images of the girls to advertise illegal content for sale in dark-web forums.

The nature of the content—sexualizing children without generally showing nudity—reflects the way that social media has changed online child sexual abuse, said Lianna McDonald, executive director for the Canadian center. The group has raised concerns about the ability of Meta’s algorithms to essentially recruit new members of online communities devoted to child sexual abuse, where links to illicit content in more private forums proliferate.

“Time and time again, we’ve seen recommendation algorithms drive users to discover and then spiral inside of these online child exploitation communities,” McDonald said, calling it disturbing that ads from major companies were subsidizing that process.

Robbie Whelan contributed to this article.

Write to Jeff Horwitz at [email protected] and Katherine Blunt at [email protected]
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.
FTR -- 99.9% of my posts were under 1 user name. I changed when coming here for security reasons.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:49 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:39 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:00 am "Trump scares me less than what his enemies are willing to do to thwart him."
Hard to believe this guy took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
Old Trump or Old Sardine
You can feel free to disparage him because...
They seem to have forgotten that the Bill of Rights are part of the Constitution, which they want selectively enforced.
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old salt wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.
FTR -- 99.9% of my posts were under 1 user name. I changed when coming here for security reasons.
I did not.
Same user name, no concerns about “security reasons “. I’m also quite open about who I am as I’m not ashamed of my views and am fully willing to be held to them. That said, I’m plenty imperfect and quite willing to learn from others, reconsider views along the way.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:28 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.
FTR -- 99.9% of my posts were under 1 user name. I changed when coming here for security reasons.
I did not.
Same user name, no concerns about “security reasons “. I’m also quite open about who I am as I’m not ashamed of my views and am fully willing to be held to them. That said, I’m plenty imperfect and quite willing to learn from others, reconsider views along the way.
You ever been doxxed ?
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:05 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:49 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:39 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:00 am "Trump scares me less than what his enemies are willing to do to thwart him."

Dismantling democracy, punishing political opponents, and placing the United States in a fully transactional relationship with all of its erstwhile allies is better than protecting democracy, and providing leadership in the world. Four years of creating division, allowing an outlet to white supremacists, and cultivating every worst quality of the country...well, four more years!! Hard to believe this guy took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
Old Trump or Old Sardine
You privy to OSs service record? Could you give him pointers on how to fly? When did you earn your naval aviators wings? You can feel free to disparage him because your likely not talented enough to accomplish what he did in his career as a naval officer. :D I'm certain your actually envious of the fact you didn't have the talent or the necessary skills to be a naval aviator.
No. More familiar with Old Mike Flynn’s though….you PAB…. :lol:
That ole Mike Flynn when he was doing his job in Afghanistan is responsible for saving the lives of a lot American service members. How quickly some of you hate mongers forget the good the man did and concentrate only on the negative.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:28 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.
FTR -- 99.9% of my posts were under 1 user name. I changed when coming here for security reasons.
I did not.
Same user name, no concerns about “security reasons “. I’m also quite open about who I am as I’m not ashamed of my views and am fully willing to be held to them. That said, I’m plenty imperfect and quite willing to learn from others, reconsider views along the way.
That must be one of the benefits you receive for sucking up to the FLP liberals on this forum. You get a pass from the liberal hate mongers on this forum because you play nice. :D
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old salt wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:49 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:39 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:00 am "Trump scares me less than what his enemies are willing to do to thwart him."
Hard to believe this guy took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
Old Trump or Old Sardine
You can feel free to disparage him because...
They seem to have forgotten that the Bill of Rights are part of the Constitution, which they want selectively enforced.
One thing that is true about the hate mongering FLP folks on this forum. They can't stand people that disagree with them and refuse to compromise their core values to appease their insolence.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:31 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:37 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:42 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:15 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:18 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:15 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:13 am Salty, it's the pattern of your choices that people notice and critique, whether as hypocrisy or as tacit acceptance/support.

Pretending to 'care' about one side's perfidies while ignoring one's own "team's" objectively greater perfidies is easy to discern.
That's rich, coming from you.

I've never claimed to be anything other than a partisan Conservative Republican. I make no apologies.
I may disagree with specific policies, decisions or officials, but I conclude that we are better off with the (R)'s in charge.

You claim to still be a (R), but you never give credit to anything that came out of the Trump Admin or the (R) led House, without using it as a launch pad for another screed against Trump & MAGA RW WCN extremists.
:lol: :lol: :lol: You used to claim to be a moderator…..
I moderated incivility, not content.
:lol: :lol: :lol: you must be misremembering ….anyway, your self identification is actually truthful.
🤣🤣
Funny, Salty was always ridiculously biased, whether as a mod or as a poster.

Salty, I feel like I’ve answered this dumb question 100 times. There are a huge number of Republicans I’ve favored over Democrats whether national or state, but MAGA thoroughly dominates now and you’re correct, there are very few surging profiles in courage among elected national politicians now. Most people like me have been forced out of office or if not a politician have gone “independent “ for now.

It says a ton that you are full on MAGA . But no worries, we’ve had you pegged for a long while.
:roll: ...you said you did not follow the politics forum on LP.

I'm not full on MAGA. You just don't when or where I'm not, because I don't whine about it. :lol:

obtw -- what's the MAGA abortion policy ?
You are mistaken. I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.

I don’t think abortion is a “MAGA” determinant. That said, many who self identify as MAGA or “partisan Conservative Republican “ include the most extreme advocates of government control of reproductive health, specifically women’s health. But it doesn’t define MAGA from my perspective. Indeed, there’s a variety of extremist and whacko conspiracy theorists who populate MAGA, no single belief or extreme view being required, rather it is the embrace and acceptance of extremism and bigotry in the ranks, the acceptance or even embrace of violations of propriety and law, indeed the celebration of such, all to achieve and maintain power. That’s what defines MAGA and that’s what drives people like me away.
I think driving people like you away from the party would be a win for the MAGA Republicans. Im certain they would gladly tell you to make sure the door doesn't hit you in your ass on the way out. MAGA Republicans look at you and your vision for the party and believe your vision of bipartisanship is kowtowing to the Democrats that play moderate Republicans like a Stradivarius. You seriously think the MAGA Republicans care if they drive you away? Where you gonna go and who are you going to vote for?? IMO that is why this country needs a viable 3rd party. Republicans and Democrats are failing this country more every year. Hell they can't even stop bitching at each other long enough to pass a real budget. Continuing resolutions are an embarrassment to this nation and disturbing proof of the never ending ongoing dysfunction in Washington DC.
Good to agree about something.

IMO, the MAGA cult has driven away those who believe in our system of cooperative, competitive, governance. They are solely interested in accruing and keeping power, with such power of government used to achieve their individual or sub group aims without majority approval. They are willing to abandon the rule of law in this aim. They even encourage and celebrate cruelty, violence and bigotry if that serves the drive to power.

I don’t see the Democrats as being so far down the toilet flush. Plenty to critique but I’m putting my priority on restoration of cooperative governance and the rule of law.
Some food for thought. My former neighbor and best friend quit the Republican party shortly before he built his new home in South Carolina. He did this before MAGA and trump came on the scene. His reasoning is much like yours... In his mind the dysfunction and incompetence of the Republican party drove him away. I find it interesting that 2 lifelong conservative Republicans whose vision for the party could not be more different both believe their party has abandoned their core values. My neighbor reconnected with your party when he moved to SC. In his opinion SC Republicans actually have core beliefs and are extremely reluctant to compromise them. In New York State the Democrats have done a great job of beating the Republican party down to the point they are mostly irrelevant in this state.

I'm left wondering how 2 lifelong Republicans whose vision for the party could not be more different can opine that the party they have been lifelong members of has " abandoned" them. IMO the problem your party has to address is very problematic. There are the old school Republicans who just want to play nice and get along. There are the MAGA Republicans who don't necessarily agree with or even like trump. They do understand that the Republican party has to stand up for their core beliefs and to not back down and compromise those same beliefs. A question for you MD. What lifelong Republican core beliefs to you hold that you will always refuse to compromise on??
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:51 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:05 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:49 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:39 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:00 am "Trump scares me less than what his enemies are willing to do to thwart him."

Dismantling democracy, punishing political opponents, and placing the United States in a fully transactional relationship with all of its erstwhile allies is better than protecting democracy, and providing leadership in the world. Four years of creating division, allowing an outlet to white supremacists, and cultivating every worst quality of the country...well, four more years!! Hard to believe this guy took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
Old Trump or Old Sardine
You privy to OSs service record? Could you give him pointers on how to fly? When did you earn your naval aviators wings? You can feel free to disparage him because your likely not talented enough to accomplish what he did in his career as a naval officer. :D I'm certain your actually envious of the fact you didn't have the talent or the necessary skills to be a naval aviator.
No. More familiar with Old Mike Flynn’s though….you PAB…. :lol:
That ole Mike Flynn when he was doing his job in Afghanistan is responsible for saving the lives of a lot American service members. How quickly some of you hate mongers forget the good the man did and concentrate only on the negative.
Shouldn’t you be promoting a statue for Timothy McVeigh at the base he was stationed at then?
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:57 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:28 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.
FTR -- 99.9% of my posts were under 1 user name. I changed when coming here for security reasons.
I did not.
Same user name, no concerns about “security reasons “. I’m also quite open about who I am as I’m not ashamed of my views and am fully willing to be held to them. That said, I’m plenty imperfect and quite willing to learn from others, reconsider views along the way.
That must be one of the benefits you receive for sucking up to the FLP liberals on this forum. You get a pass from the liberal hate mongers on this forum because you play nice. :D
FLP in every post and calling another Hate monger.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:02 am
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:49 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:39 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:00 am "Trump scares me less than what his enemies are willing to do to thwart him."
Hard to believe this guy took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
Old Trump or Old Sardine
You can feel free to disparage him because...
They seem to have forgotten that the Bill of Rights are part of the Constitution, which they want selectively enforced.
One thing that is true about the hate mongering FLP folks on this forum. They can't stand people that disagree with them and refuse to compromise their core values to appease their insolence.
This is so stupid. I was hanging out Friday with a friend who’s beyond Trump extreme. He is all in on crypto, govt is not to be trusted, meathead sales guy from
Ohio with a shaved head. Clearly has some mental health issues but he’s a friend. I could cite a million examples. If you’re talking about a few folks here maybe but you apply things so broadly as to be entirely worthless. No understanding, incredible use of absolute language intentionally and sincerely.

Talk about clueless. No understanding of human beings or the human condition.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:51 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:31 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:37 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:42 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:15 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:18 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:15 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:13 am Salty, it's the pattern of your choices that people notice and critique, whether as hypocrisy or as tacit acceptance/support.

Pretending to 'care' about one side's perfidies while ignoring one's own "team's" objectively greater perfidies is easy to discern.
That's rich, coming from you.

I've never claimed to be anything other than a partisan Conservative Republican. I make no apologies.
I may disagree with specific policies, decisions or officials, but I conclude that we are better off with the (R)'s in charge.

You claim to still be a (R), but you never give credit to anything that came out of the Trump Admin or the (R) led House, without using it as a launch pad for another screed against Trump & MAGA RW WCN extremists.
:lol: :lol: :lol: You used to claim to be a moderator…..
I moderated incivility, not content.
:lol: :lol: :lol: you must be misremembering ….anyway, your self identification is actually truthful.
🤣🤣
Funny, Salty was always ridiculously biased, whether as a mod or as a poster.

Salty, I feel like I’ve answered this dumb question 100 times. There are a huge number of Republicans I’ve favored over Democrats whether national or state, but MAGA thoroughly dominates now and you’re correct, there are very few surging profiles in courage among elected national politicians now. Most people like me have been forced out of office or if not a politician have gone “independent “ for now.

It says a ton that you are full on MAGA . But no worries, we’ve had you pegged for a long while.
:roll: ...you said you did not follow the politics forum on LP.

I'm not full on MAGA. You just don't when or where I'm not, because I don't whine about it. :lol:

obtw -- what's the MAGA abortion policy ?
You are mistaken. I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.

I don’t think abortion is a “MAGA” determinant. That said, many who self identify as MAGA or “partisan Conservative Republican “ include the most extreme advocates of government control of reproductive health, specifically women’s health. But it doesn’t define MAGA from my perspective. Indeed, there’s a variety of extremist and whacko conspiracy theorists who populate MAGA, no single belief or extreme view being required, rather it is the embrace and acceptance of extremism and bigotry in the ranks, the acceptance or even embrace of violations of propriety and law, indeed the celebration of such, all to achieve and maintain power. That’s what defines MAGA and that’s what drives people like me away.
I think driving people like you away from the party would be a win for the MAGA Republicans. Im certain they would gladly tell you to make sure the door doesn't hit you in your ass on the way out. MAGA Republicans look at you and your vision for the party and believe your vision of bipartisanship is kowtowing to the Democrats that play moderate Republicans like a Stradivarius. You seriously think the MAGA Republicans care if they drive you away? Where you gonna go and who are you going to vote for?? IMO that is why this country needs a viable 3rd party. Republicans and Democrats are failing this country more every year. Hell they can't even stop bitching at each other long enough to pass a real budget. Continuing resolutions are an embarrassment to this nation and disturbing proof of the never ending ongoing dysfunction in Washington DC.
Good to agree about something.

IMO, the MAGA cult has driven away those who believe in our system of cooperative, competitive, governance. They are solely interested in accruing and keeping power, with such power of government used to achieve their individual or sub group aims without majority approval. They are willing to abandon the rule of law in this aim. They even encourage and celebrate cruelty, violence and bigotry if that serves the drive to power.

I don’t see the Democrats as being so far down the toilet flush. Plenty to critique but I’m putting my priority on restoration of cooperative governance and the rule of law.
Some food for thought. My former neighbor and best friend quit the Republican party shortly before he built his new home in South Carolina. He did this before MAGA and trump came on the scene. His reasoning is much like yours... In his mind the dysfunction and incompetence of the Republican party drove him away. I find it interesting that 2 lifelong conservative Republicans whose vision for the party could not be more different both believe their party has abandoned their core values. My neighbor reconnected with your party when he moved to SC. In his opinion SC Republicans actually have core beliefs and are extremely reluctant to compromise them. In New York State the Democrats have done a great job of beating the Republican party down to the point they are mostly irrelevant in this state.

I'm left wondering how 2 lifelong Republicans whose vision for the party could not be more different can opine that the party they have been lifelong members of has " abandoned" them. IMO the problem your party has to address is very problematic. There are the old school Republicans who just want to play nice and get along. There are the MAGA Republicans who don't necessarily agree with or even like trump. They do understand that the Republican party has to stand up for their core beliefs and to not back down and compromise those same beliefs. A question for you MD. What lifelong Republican core beliefs to you hold that you will always refuse to compromise on??
Dawg your boy doesn’t know SC at all. Nancy Mace has completely sold out, Lindsey Graham cash his conscience in 15yrs ago or more. I know this dude in the house who married a daughter of the friend of my in laws. Total moron who has no business representing citizens when he spent like 4yrs out of law school in small town private practice. Another clown. Wife’s grandparents practically owned half of Charleston a hundred years ago. I can speak to SC all day long, update culture or lowlands. Thankfully I didn’t take the treasurers gig for SSB and move to Columbia six years ago though the U South Carolina Giles are some criminally underrated SEC hotties-they just parade through the Starbucks on Gervais near the Capitol bldg.

The MaGA folks who are mocking away from Trump are doing it specifically because they finally see what a loser he is through three sets of elections now after finding 20 bucks in the ground in 2016 and thinking they were Jack Welch. I know from my mouth breather friends because they’ve started to call him part of the establishment now. That’s the signal he’s toast with the crazies.

Trust me when you talk about SC make sure you really know the state. Whether it’s Ceasars head mtn or Florence or Darlington/Aiken or Myrtle. To claim they hold to core beliefs collectively demonstrates you’re taking the wrong word from the wrong person. Your whole point is blown when this actuality is presented of course. I’ve got four generations of deeply entrenched in laws with experience throughout the state plus long-standing relationships with the largest banks left in the state (SAB is mostly a FL bank they just took the SC Charter in a mergers Art Seaver at SoutherFirst ran off his great President who’s now president of First Reliance and the CFO hated him so much he’s a church cfo and they couldn’t Find a replacement in state so overpaid a moron buddy from Atl who things being a bank CFO is managing the bond book, first reliance guys like to party where Tupac did in Atlanta and go for the dark meat in a way their board would not love but have no control, First community is probably the closest to what you’d receive and those guys are too old to be running any public company. What you’re describing isn’t even the 60+ SC crowd. Oh and I don’t even need to bring Myrtle up-SCs response to Daytona “hey we got wholesale STDs here as well!”
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:51 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:05 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:49 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:39 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:00 am "Trump scares me less than what his enemies are willing to do to thwart him."

Dismantling democracy, punishing political opponents, and placing the United States in a fully transactional relationship with all of its erstwhile allies is better than protecting democracy, and providing leadership in the world. Four years of creating division, allowing an outlet to white supremacists, and cultivating every worst quality of the country...well, four more years!! Hard to believe this guy took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
Old Trump or Old Sardine
You privy to OSs service record? Could you give him pointers on how to fly? When did you earn your naval aviators wings? You can feel free to disparage him because your likely not talented enough to accomplish what he did in his career as a naval officer. :D I'm certain your actually envious of the fact you didn't have the talent or the necessary skills to be a naval aviator.
No. More familiar with Old Mike Flynn’s though….you PAB…. :lol:
That ole Mike Flynn when he was doing his job in Afghanistan is responsible for saving the lives of a lot American service members. How quickly some of you hate mongers forget the good the man did and concentrate only on the negative.
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old salt wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:33 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:28 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 am I actively participated in the politics section of LaxPower, unlike you under a consistent name.
FTR -- 99.9% of my posts were under 1 user name. I changed when coming here for security reasons.
I did not.
Same user name, no concerns about “security reasons “. I’m also quite open about who I am as I’m not ashamed of my views and am fully willing to be held to them. That said, I’m plenty imperfect and quite willing to learn from others, reconsider views along the way.
You ever been doxxed ?
Not full dox, but I did have attacks levied at me on here using my son, which was way out of bounds for this forum.
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When did Gen. Kelly, Gen. Mattis, Judge Luttig become not “conservative” enough?

To cradle’s question, which I have answered innumerable times before, I put country and Constitution, the rule of law not men, certainly not the minority, over Party. I will not compromise on these core values. Governance in a democracy requires compromise and persuasion and I’m fully on board with that “core value” as well.

This is the stark contrast with MAGA, with the Chinese Communist Party, with authoritarian regimes in Russia, North Korea, Iran, Hungary, Belorus, and numerous others in various parts of the world.
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