Ahh Arizona - 20yrs ago…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo
Israel and West Bank Settlements
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Farfromgeneva
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Re: Israel and Zionism
Harvard University, out
University of Utah, in
I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.
(Afan jealous he didn’t do this first)
University of Utah, in
I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.
(Afan jealous he didn’t do this first)
Re: Israel and Zionism
how does this forum allow this straight-up antisemitism stay posted within the forum?! why do brooklyn and kinduv still have accounts?
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NattyBohChamps04
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If you feel they beak the forum rules, it's up to you to report the posts. I doubt the admin has time to read every single post. As a community we're supposed to police ourselves a lot.
Doubt kinduv is actually serious with his posts.
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youthathletics
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Brooksie thrives on bellicosity, like a Karen hōōz Starbucks order came out wrong.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
Re: Israel and Zionism
What is antisemitic about the links I've posted? Almost all of them are from Jewish sources and they report the truth as they see it.
If you feel they are wrong in any way, why not offer some proof rather than criticism?
Show me the proof.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Israel and Zionism
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:35 pm Brooksie thrives on bellicosity, like a Karen hōōz Starbucks order came out wrong.
Can you explain how posting links from Orthodox Jews or antiwar (a largely Jewish website) or similar links constitute "anti Semitism" ? I have asked previously but no one seems to have an answer.
And do remember that we who oppose sending more money to Israel constitute the MAJORITY in the USA.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
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Bellicosity? Nice one.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:35 pm Brooksie thrives on bellicosity, like a Karen hōōz Starbucks order came out wrong.
This gal is probably a registered voter, can go out and get herself a too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XJpdFt2TA
Re: Israel and Zionism
dipsh*t, jews can also be anti-semitic. anti-semitic, like you, you bigoted piece of sh*t. we've said this numerous times but you're too uneducated to wrap your head around it. no joke, you are painfully dumb. painfully...
Re: Israel and Zionism
See what I mean?
Makes no effort to answer my question or address the issues on the link. Just one insult after another. Now who is violating forum rules?
Makes no effort to answer my question or address the issues on the link. Just one insult after another. Now who is violating forum rules?
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: Israel and Zionism
A possible glimmer of hope?
Israeli Cabinet approves truce for hostages deal with Hamas; Palestinian prisoners also to be freed
The first hostages to be released are women and children.
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/20 ... hp_primary
Israel’s Cabinet on Wednesday approved a temporary cease-fire with the Hamas militant group that is expected to bring the first halt in fighting in a devastating six-week war and win freedom for dozens of hostages held captive in the Gaza Strip, in exchange for the release of Palestinians detained in Israeli prisons.
The deal calls for a four-day cease-fire, during which Israel will halt its military offensive in Gaza while Hamas frees “at least” 50 of the roughly 240 hostages it and other militants are holding, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said. The first hostages to be released are women and children.
“The government of Israel is committed to bringing all of the hostages home. Tonight, the government approved the outline for the first stage of achieving this goal,” the office said in a statement.
A statement released by Qatar, which mediates with Hamas, Wednesday morning said the deal includes “the release of a number of Palestinian women and children detained in Israeli prisons, the number of those released will be increased in later stages of implementing the agreement,” and that it would allow additional humanitarian aid into Gaza, but the Israeli statement made no mention of either of these elements.
The statement from Qatar’s Foreign Ministry described the talks that produced the agreement as a mediation by Egypt, the U.S. and Qatar for a “humanitarian pause,” adding that the start time of the truce will be announced within the next day.
Hostage releases will begin roughly 24 hours after the deal is approved by all parties, said a senior White House official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive matters.
Ahead of the Cabinet vote, which came after a six-hour meeting stretching into the early morning, Netanyahu said the war against Hamas would resume after the truce expires.
“We are at war, and we will continue the war,” he said. “We will continue until we achieve all our goals.”
Despite his tough words, the government statement said the truce would be extended an extra day for every additional 10 hostages released by Hamas.
A longer-term lull could lead to pressure, both international and domestic, for Israel to end its war without achieving its goal of destroying Hamas’ military capabilities.
The war erupted on Oct. 7 when several thousand Hamas militants burst across the border into Israel, killing at least 1,200 people and taking hundreds hostage. Most of the dead were civilians, while the hostages include small children, women and older people.
Israel responded with weeks of devastating airstrikes on Gaza, followed by a ground invasion that began over three weeks ago.
More than 11,000 Palestinians have been killed during the Israeli offensive, according to the Health Ministry in the Hamas-run territory. It does not differentiate between civilians and militants, though some two-thirds of the dead have been identified as women and minors. Israel says thousands of Hamas militants have been killed.
The invasion has caused vast destruction in northern Gaza, including Gaza City, displaced an estimated 1.7 million people and caused a humanitarian crisis with shortages of food, medicines, fuel and other key supplies throughout the territory.
Israel has rejected growing international criticism and vowed to press ahead until it destroys Hamas’ military and governing capabilities and all hostages are freed. Hamas, an Islamic militant group sworn to Israel’s destruction, has ruled Gaza since ousting the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority in 2007.
Under Wednesday’s deal, Hamas is expected to release roughly 12 hostages each day. While the statement did not say when the truce would begin, Israeli media reports said the hostages could begin to be released as soon as Thursday.
The return of any of the hostages could lift spirits in Israel, where the plight of the captives has gripped the country’s attention. Airwaves are filled with interviews with families of the hostages, who include babies and toddlers, women and children and people in their 80s with health issues.
The families have become a powerful force in Israel – staging mass demonstrations and marches pressuring the government to bring home their loved ones. They have made a central Tel Aviv square their headquarters, where evocative displays like a long white table with seats for all 240 hostages are meant to keep their plight in the public eye.
But the structure of the deal could weaken Israel from various directions.
Any lull would give Hamas and its shadowy leader, Yehya Sinwar, a chance to regroup after suffering heavy losses during the fighting, especially if Hamas drags things out with additional hostage releases.
Israel claims to have killed thousands of Hamas fighters, though it has not presented evidence, and destroyed parts of the group’s underground tunnel system. But Israeli officials acknowledge much of the group’s infrastructure remains intact.
A cease-fire could also add to the already growing international pressure on Israel to halt its offensive as the full extent of damage in Gaza becomes apparent. Even the U.S., Israel’s chief backer, has expressed concerns about the heavy toll on Gaza’s civilian population.
Some three-quarters of Gaza’s population has been uprooted from their homes and are staying in overcrowded and unsanitary shelters.
Many, if not most, will be unable to return home because of the vast damage in the north and the continued presence of Israeli troops there. That could lead to an even worse humanitarian disaster as people remain in shelters or are forced to live in tents through the cold, rainy winter.
And in Israel, the staggered releases of hostages risks triggering divisions between families of those who are freed and those who remain in captivity. Soldiers, for instance, are likely to be among the last to be freed. Families of the soldiers, who include young women who served as spotters along the border, are likely to press the government not to resume the offensive until their loved ones return home as well.
“There are many families and many opinions,” Hadas Kalderon, whose two young children were abducted with their father, told Israel’s Channel 12 TV.
She said a deal could create openings for future agreements by building trust, but acknowledged there are dilemmas as hostages are selected for release. “Our responsibility is to return everyone,” she said. “But let’s be realistic.”
A lengthy truce could also affect Israel’s battle readiness. While Israeli troops are expected to remain in place and the Israeli military said its battle plans remain intact, it will be difficult and risky for the army to leave its forces stationary behind enemy lines.
Asked about a cease-fire, the army’s chief spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, said: “The army will know how to maintain its operational achievements.”
Hamas may try to declare a victory, but Sinwar will have little to celebrate. Even if he survives and Hamas maintains power, he will emerge to vast destruction that will take years, if not decades, to repair.
In the meantime, fighting continued on Tuesday, with the front line of the war shifting to the Jabaliya refugee camp, a dense warren of concrete buildings near Gaza City that houses families displaced in the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s creation.
Israel has bombarded the area for weeks, and the military said Hamas fighters have regrouped there and in other eastern districts after being pushed out of much of Gaza City.
In southern Lebanon, an Israeli strike killed two journalists with Al-Mayadeen TV, according to the Hezbollah-allied Pan-Arab network and Lebanese officials. There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military. A separate Israeli drone strike in Lebanon killed four Hamas members, a Palestinian official and a Lebanon security official said.
The Israeli military has been trading fire almost daily across the border with Lebanon’s Hezbollah group and Palestinian militants since the outbreak of the war.
On Tuesday, Gaza’s Health Ministry said that as of Nov. 11 it had lost the ability to count the dead because of the collapse of large parts of the health system.
It believes the actual death toll has risen sharply above the official number of 11,000. Some 2,700 people are missing and believed to be buried under rubble, and hospitals have continued to report deaths from daily strikes, often dozens at a time.
Perhaps this could be the first positive step in the peace process. Let's hope the pro war crowd won't be too disappointed and that others will not take steps to sabotage the possibility of any more progress.
Israeli Cabinet approves truce for hostages deal with Hamas; Palestinian prisoners also to be freed
The first hostages to be released are women and children.
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/20 ... hp_primary
Israel’s Cabinet on Wednesday approved a temporary cease-fire with the Hamas militant group that is expected to bring the first halt in fighting in a devastating six-week war and win freedom for dozens of hostages held captive in the Gaza Strip, in exchange for the release of Palestinians detained in Israeli prisons.
The deal calls for a four-day cease-fire, during which Israel will halt its military offensive in Gaza while Hamas frees “at least” 50 of the roughly 240 hostages it and other militants are holding, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said. The first hostages to be released are women and children.
“The government of Israel is committed to bringing all of the hostages home. Tonight, the government approved the outline for the first stage of achieving this goal,” the office said in a statement.
A statement released by Qatar, which mediates with Hamas, Wednesday morning said the deal includes “the release of a number of Palestinian women and children detained in Israeli prisons, the number of those released will be increased in later stages of implementing the agreement,” and that it would allow additional humanitarian aid into Gaza, but the Israeli statement made no mention of either of these elements.
The statement from Qatar’s Foreign Ministry described the talks that produced the agreement as a mediation by Egypt, the U.S. and Qatar for a “humanitarian pause,” adding that the start time of the truce will be announced within the next day.
Hostage releases will begin roughly 24 hours after the deal is approved by all parties, said a senior White House official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive matters.
Ahead of the Cabinet vote, which came after a six-hour meeting stretching into the early morning, Netanyahu said the war against Hamas would resume after the truce expires.
“We are at war, and we will continue the war,” he said. “We will continue until we achieve all our goals.”
Despite his tough words, the government statement said the truce would be extended an extra day for every additional 10 hostages released by Hamas.
A longer-term lull could lead to pressure, both international and domestic, for Israel to end its war without achieving its goal of destroying Hamas’ military capabilities.
The war erupted on Oct. 7 when several thousand Hamas militants burst across the border into Israel, killing at least 1,200 people and taking hundreds hostage. Most of the dead were civilians, while the hostages include small children, women and older people.
Israel responded with weeks of devastating airstrikes on Gaza, followed by a ground invasion that began over three weeks ago.
More than 11,000 Palestinians have been killed during the Israeli offensive, according to the Health Ministry in the Hamas-run territory. It does not differentiate between civilians and militants, though some two-thirds of the dead have been identified as women and minors. Israel says thousands of Hamas militants have been killed.
The invasion has caused vast destruction in northern Gaza, including Gaza City, displaced an estimated 1.7 million people and caused a humanitarian crisis with shortages of food, medicines, fuel and other key supplies throughout the territory.
Israel has rejected growing international criticism and vowed to press ahead until it destroys Hamas’ military and governing capabilities and all hostages are freed. Hamas, an Islamic militant group sworn to Israel’s destruction, has ruled Gaza since ousting the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority in 2007.
Under Wednesday’s deal, Hamas is expected to release roughly 12 hostages each day. While the statement did not say when the truce would begin, Israeli media reports said the hostages could begin to be released as soon as Thursday.
The return of any of the hostages could lift spirits in Israel, where the plight of the captives has gripped the country’s attention. Airwaves are filled with interviews with families of the hostages, who include babies and toddlers, women and children and people in their 80s with health issues.
The families have become a powerful force in Israel – staging mass demonstrations and marches pressuring the government to bring home their loved ones. They have made a central Tel Aviv square their headquarters, where evocative displays like a long white table with seats for all 240 hostages are meant to keep their plight in the public eye.
But the structure of the deal could weaken Israel from various directions.
Any lull would give Hamas and its shadowy leader, Yehya Sinwar, a chance to regroup after suffering heavy losses during the fighting, especially if Hamas drags things out with additional hostage releases.
Israel claims to have killed thousands of Hamas fighters, though it has not presented evidence, and destroyed parts of the group’s underground tunnel system. But Israeli officials acknowledge much of the group’s infrastructure remains intact.
A cease-fire could also add to the already growing international pressure on Israel to halt its offensive as the full extent of damage in Gaza becomes apparent. Even the U.S., Israel’s chief backer, has expressed concerns about the heavy toll on Gaza’s civilian population.
Some three-quarters of Gaza’s population has been uprooted from their homes and are staying in overcrowded and unsanitary shelters.
Many, if not most, will be unable to return home because of the vast damage in the north and the continued presence of Israeli troops there. That could lead to an even worse humanitarian disaster as people remain in shelters or are forced to live in tents through the cold, rainy winter.
And in Israel, the staggered releases of hostages risks triggering divisions between families of those who are freed and those who remain in captivity. Soldiers, for instance, are likely to be among the last to be freed. Families of the soldiers, who include young women who served as spotters along the border, are likely to press the government not to resume the offensive until their loved ones return home as well.
“There are many families and many opinions,” Hadas Kalderon, whose two young children were abducted with their father, told Israel’s Channel 12 TV.
She said a deal could create openings for future agreements by building trust, but acknowledged there are dilemmas as hostages are selected for release. “Our responsibility is to return everyone,” she said. “But let’s be realistic.”
A lengthy truce could also affect Israel’s battle readiness. While Israeli troops are expected to remain in place and the Israeli military said its battle plans remain intact, it will be difficult and risky for the army to leave its forces stationary behind enemy lines.
Asked about a cease-fire, the army’s chief spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, said: “The army will know how to maintain its operational achievements.”
Hamas may try to declare a victory, but Sinwar will have little to celebrate. Even if he survives and Hamas maintains power, he will emerge to vast destruction that will take years, if not decades, to repair.
In the meantime, fighting continued on Tuesday, with the front line of the war shifting to the Jabaliya refugee camp, a dense warren of concrete buildings near Gaza City that houses families displaced in the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s creation.
Israel has bombarded the area for weeks, and the military said Hamas fighters have regrouped there and in other eastern districts after being pushed out of much of Gaza City.
In southern Lebanon, an Israeli strike killed two journalists with Al-Mayadeen TV, according to the Hezbollah-allied Pan-Arab network and Lebanese officials. There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military. A separate Israeli drone strike in Lebanon killed four Hamas members, a Palestinian official and a Lebanon security official said.
The Israeli military has been trading fire almost daily across the border with Lebanon’s Hezbollah group and Palestinian militants since the outbreak of the war.
On Tuesday, Gaza’s Health Ministry said that as of Nov. 11 it had lost the ability to count the dead because of the collapse of large parts of the health system.
It believes the actual death toll has risen sharply above the official number of 11,000. Some 2,700 people are missing and believed to be buried under rubble, and hospitals have continued to report deaths from daily strikes, often dozens at a time.
Perhaps this could be the first positive step in the peace process. Let's hope the pro war crowd won't be too disappointed and that others will not take steps to sabotage the possibility of any more progress.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
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OuttaNowhereWregget
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“It doesn’t matter what the world says. It doesn’t matter what they say about Israel anywhere else. The only thing that matters is that we can exist here. Unless it’s clear that there is a price to pay for Jewish lives, we will not be able to survive. And that’s what counts." (The survival of the Jewish people in the State of Israel)
--David Ben-Gurion to Ariel Sharon (circa 1948)
“Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:
If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD,
then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.”
From the Old Testament book of the prophet Jeremiah; 31st chapter, vv 35 and 36 (written circa 600 BC)
--David Ben-Gurion to Ariel Sharon (circa 1948)
“Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:
If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD,
then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.”
From the Old Testament book of the prophet Jeremiah; 31st chapter, vv 35 and 36 (written circa 600 BC)
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youthathletics
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Re: Israel and Zionism
Nonsense....that land belongs to the prophet muhammad long before God was around.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:01 am “It doesn’t matter what the world says. It doesn’t matter what they say about Israel anywhere else. The only thing that matters is that we can exist here. Unless it’s clear that there is a price to pay for Jewish lives, we will not be able to survive. And that’s what counts." (The survival of the Jewish people in the State of Israel)
--David Ben-Gurion to Ariel Sharon (circa 1948)
“Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:
If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD,
then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.”
From the Old Testament book of the prophet Jeremiah; 31st chapter, vv 35 and 36 (written circa 600 BC)
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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OuttaNowhereWregget
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Re: Israel and Zionism
The conclusion of the matter being: Israel ain’t goin’ no place.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:01 am “It doesn’t matter what the world says. It doesn’t matter what they say about Israel anywhere else. The only thing that matters is that we can exist here. Unless it’s clear that there is a price to pay for Jewish lives, we will not be able to survive. And that’s what counts." (The survival of the Jewish people in the State of Israel)
--David Ben-Gurion to Ariel Sharon (circa 1948)
“Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:
If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD,
then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.”
From the Old Testament book of the prophet Jeremiah; 31st chapter, vv 35 and 36 (written circa 600 BC)
No person or government or nation will be successful in removing/destroying the Jewish people from the land of Israel. This sentiment burns in the heart of all Israelis and is passionately espoused in the Bible.
The rest of the talk is all vitriol spitting from the mouths of Jew haters the world over. They will always exist—Jew haters—as long as the earth stands. But the Jewish people will also always exist as long as the earth stands.
As long as quotations from the Old Testament Torah are being offered under this topic, Jew-haters would do well to bear the following in mind:
“Now the LORD said to Abram, ‘Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you.
And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’”
--From the first book of the Torah commonly known as Genesis, 12th chapter, vv. 1-3
Israel was God’s idea. Recently, the Balfour Declaration, the UN votes, the survival of the State of Israel in spite of frequent attacks from numerous and ofttimes militarily more powerful nations are all evidence of God’s purpose and promise to the Jewish people. Israel is the land of the Jewish people and both will always exist.
Does Israel, in all its citizenry and military conduct itself above reproach in all their dealings? Of course not. Which nation does in the face of hostile, belligerent neighbors? But above all else, in the heart of Israel is a deep and abiding awareness of the world’s capacity to hate them and try to exterminate them as a people—and a deeper determination and devotion to Israel’s survival in the face of that reality.
Thus it is—and thus shall it ever be.
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youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:42 am
Nonsense....that land belongs to the prophet muhammad long before God was around.
Ironically, Palestinians are descended of Canaanites who were the original settlers of that land though some folks don't quite agree.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
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OuttaNowhereWregget
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Indeed, the Canaanites, along with the Amorites, Girgashites, Hittites, Hivites, Jebusites and Perizzites all inhabited the land before the Israelites arrived.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:37 amIronically, Palestinians are descended of Canaanites who were the original settlers of that land though some folks don't quite agree.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:42 am
Nonsense....that land belongs to the prophet muhammad long before God was around.
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When Moses led the Hebrews-out of Egypt and they got to the “Promised Land” they wiped out various groups and places like Jericho
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PizzaSnake
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I find this discussion based on ancient stories risible.
How about some examination of the current facts:
Too many people competing for a limited area.
Not enough basic prerequisites for human existence — water.
The demographics of the parties involved in this land dispute explain the failure of a single state solution: the Palestinian population growth is much faster than the Jewish one.
How about those facts? Spare me the history. Time to grow up and confront reality. Clinging to ancient justifications looks like a cover for inhumane behavior. Oh, wait, did I just define religion?
How about some examination of the current facts:
Too many people competing for a limited area.
Not enough basic prerequisites for human existence — water.
The demographics of the parties involved in this land dispute explain the failure of a single state solution: the Palestinian population growth is much faster than the Jewish one.
How about those facts? Spare me the history. Time to grow up and confront reality. Clinging to ancient justifications looks like a cover for inhumane behavior. Oh, wait, did I just define religion?
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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NattyBohChamps04
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Give Biden and Blinken Credit for Gaza Truce
A “pause” in fighting between Israel and Hamas isn’t a ceasefire, and certainly not an outbreak of peace. But it’s a start, and it wouldn’t have happened without the US.
A “pause” in fighting between Israel and Hamas isn’t a ceasefire, and certainly not an outbreak of peace. But it’s a start, and it wouldn’t have happened without the US.
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OuttaNowhereWregget
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Re: Israel and Zionism
What are your thoughts and/or possible solutions for the issues presented above?PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:55 am How about some examination of the current facts:
Too many people competing for a limited area.
Not enough basic prerequisites for human existence — water.
The demographics of the parties involved in this land dispute explain the failure of a single state solution: the Palestinian population growth is much faster than the Jewish one.
How about those facts?