Sensible Gun Safety

[Typical Lax Dad]

You do realize the leading cause of death among children in the USA is guns.

I find this to be somewhat misleading in the context of the assault weapons and school shootings discussion.
Guns kill too many children, period. Agree.
"Children". Homicide is the number one cause of gun deaths among "children". You can get rid of every AR15
and other types of assault weapons and that will change next to nothing (legalizing all drugs would do more, IMO).
Too many children killing other children. When you put your uniform on and go off to war at 18-19 you're a man,
when 18-19 killing your enemy in the drug war you're a child.

Looked at another way, Black children and teens were roughly five times as likely as their White counterparts to die from gunfire in 2021. There were 11.8 gun deaths per 100,000 Black children and teens that year, compared with 2.3 gun deaths per 100,000 White children and teens. The gun death rate among Hispanic children and teens was also 2.3 deaths per 100,000 in 2021, while it was lower among Asian children and teens (0.9 per 100,000).

There are also major racial and ethnic differences in the types of gun deaths involving children and teens. In 2021, a large majority of gun deaths involving Black children and teens (84%) were homicides, while 9% were suicides. Among White children and teens, by contrast, the majority of gun deaths (66%) were suicides, while a much smaller share (24%) were homicides.

In this analysis, Black, White and Asian children and teens include only those who are single-race and not Hispanic, while Hispanic children and teens are of any race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... two-years/

I think we have a gun problem in general. AR 15 included. (I don’t believe that you think we don’t have a gun problem. I am assuming we are in agreement. I may have moved beyond AR 15).

[cradleandshoot]

You do realize the leading cause of death among children in the USA is guns.

I find this to be somewhat misleading in the context of the assault weapons and school shootings discussion.
Guns kill too many children, period. Agree.
"Children". Homicide is the number one cause of gun deaths among "children". You can get rid of every AR15
and other types of assault weapons and that will change next to nothing (legalizing all drugs would do more, IMO).
Too many children killing other children. When you put your uniform on and go off to war at 18-19 you're a man,
when 18-19 killing your enemy in the drug war you're a child.

Looked at another way, Black children and teens were roughly five times as likely as their White counterparts to die from gunfire in 2021. There were 11.8 gun deaths per 100,000 Black children and teens that year, compared with 2.3 gun deaths per 100,000 White children and teens. The gun death rate among Hispanic children and teens was also 2.3 deaths per 100,000 in 2021, while it was lower among Asian children and teens (0.9 per 100,000).

There are also major racial and ethnic differences in the types of gun deaths involving children and teens. In 2021, a large majority of gun deaths involving Black children and teens (84%) were homicides, while 9% were suicides. Among White children and teens, by contrast, the majority of gun deaths (66%) were suicides, while a much smaller share (24%) were homicides.

In this analysis, Black, White and Asian children and teens include only those who are single-race and not Hispanic, while Hispanic children and teens are of any race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... two-years/

I think we have a gun problem in general. AR 15 included. (I don’t believe that you think we don’t have a gun problem. I am assuming we are in agreement. I may have moved beyond AR 15).

Do your sentiments include felons in possession of illegal weapons?

[Typical Lax Dad]

You do realize the leading cause of death among children in the USA is guns.

I find this to be somewhat misleading in the context of the assault weapons and school shootings discussion.
Guns kill too many children, period. Agree.
"Children". Homicide is the number one cause of gun deaths among "children". You can get rid of every AR15
and other types of assault weapons and that will change next to nothing (legalizing all drugs would do more, IMO).
Too many children killing other children. When you put your uniform on and go off to war at 18-19 you're a man,
when 18-19 killing your enemy in the drug war you're a child.

Looked at another way, Black children and teens were roughly five times as likely as their White counterparts to die from gunfire in 2021. There were 11.8 gun deaths per 100,000 Black children and teens that year, compared with 2.3 gun deaths per 100,000 White children and teens. The gun death rate among Hispanic children and teens was also 2.3 deaths per 100,000 in 2021, while it was lower among Asian children and teens (0.9 per 100,000).

There are also major racial and ethnic differences in the types of gun deaths involving children and teens. In 2021, a large majority of gun deaths involving Black children and teens (84%) were homicides, while 9% were suicides. Among White children and teens, by contrast, the majority of gun deaths (66%) were suicides, while a much smaller share (24%) were homicides.

In this analysis, Black, White and Asian children and teens include only those who are single-race and not Hispanic, while Hispanic children and teens are of any race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... two-years/

I think we have a gun problem in general. AR 15 included. (I don’t believe that you think we don’t have a gun problem. I am assuming we are in agreement. I may have moved beyond AR 15).

Do your sentiments include felons in possession of illegal weapons?

Are you stupid?

[DMac]

You do realize the leading cause of death among children in the USA is guns.

I find this to be somewhat misleading in the context of the assault weapons and school shootings discussion.
Guns kill too many children, period. Agree.
"Children". Homicide is the number one cause of gun deaths among "children". You can get rid of every AR15
and other types of assault weapons and that will change next to nothing (legalizing all drugs would do more, IMO).
Too many children killing other children. When you put your uniform on and go off to war at 18-19 you're a man,
when 18-19 killing your enemy in the drug war you're a child.

Looked at another way, Black children and teens were roughly five times as likely as their White counterparts to die from gunfire in 2021. There were 11.8 gun deaths per 100,000 Black children and teens that year, compared with 2.3 gun deaths per 100,000 White children and teens. The gun death rate among Hispanic children and teens was also 2.3 deaths per 100,000 in 2021, while it was lower among Asian children and teens (0.9 per 100,000).

There are also major racial and ethnic differences in the types of gun deaths involving children and teens. In 2021, a large majority of gun deaths involving Black children and teens (84%) were homicides, while 9% were suicides. Among White children and teens, by contrast, the majority of gun deaths (66%) were suicides, while a much smaller share (24%) were homicides.

In this analysis, Black, White and Asian children and teens include only those who are single-race and not Hispanic, while Hispanic children and teens are of any race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... two-years/

I think we have a gun problem in general. AR 15 included. (I don’t believe that you think we don’t have a gun problem. I am assuming we are in agreement. I may have moved beyond AR 15).

Too many guns, too easily accessible. Type, caliber, round capacity, aren't the real issues, IMO. Numbers, availability, and our hell bent mentality that everyone (virtually) has the right (duty?) to own a gun. You really don't get to first base if you say anything other than that. 2A, the armed militia, gotta have that or we're all phukked. As much as I'd like to hope for meaningful/effective change, I find it real hard to do so. That real strong gun culture comes with consequences and we seem to be alright with that.
Hey, here's an idea....how 'bout we have Mulvaney start pushing guns??? Good chance it'll cause a big boycott.

[Typical Lax Dad]

You do realize the leading cause of death among children in the USA is guns.

I find this to be somewhat misleading in the context of the assault weapons and school shootings discussion.
Guns kill too many children, period. Agree.
"Children". Homicide is the number one cause of gun deaths among "children". You can get rid of every AR15
and other types of assault weapons and that will change next to nothing (legalizing all drugs would do more, IMO).
Too many children killing other children. When you put your uniform on and go off to war at 18-19 you're a man,
when 18-19 killing your enemy in the drug war you're a child.

Looked at another way, Black children and teens were roughly five times as likely as their White counterparts to die from gunfire in 2021. There were 11.8 gun deaths per 100,000 Black children and teens that year, compared with 2.3 gun deaths per 100,000 White children and teens. The gun death rate among Hispanic children and teens was also 2.3 deaths per 100,000 in 2021, while it was lower among Asian children and teens (0.9 per 100,000).

There are also major racial and ethnic differences in the types of gun deaths involving children and teens. In 2021, a large majority of gun deaths involving Black children and teens (84%) were homicides, while 9% were suicides. Among White children and teens, by contrast, the majority of gun deaths (66%) were suicides, while a much smaller share (24%) were homicides.

In this analysis, Black, White and Asian children and teens include only those who are single-race and not Hispanic, while Hispanic children and teens are of any race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... two-years/

I think we have a gun problem in general. AR 15 included. (I don’t believe that you think we don’t have a gun problem. I am assuming we are in agreement. I may have moved beyond AR 15).

Too many guns, too easily accessible. Type, caliber, round capacity, aren't the real issues, IMO. Numbers, availability, and our hell bent mentality that everyone (virtually) has the right (duty?) to own a gun. You really don't get to first base if you say anything other than that. 2A, the armed militia, gotta have that or we're all phukked. As much as I'd like to hope for meaningful/effective change, I find it real hard to do so. That real strong gun culture comes with consequences and we seem to be alright with that.
Hey, here's an idea....how 'bout we have Mulvaney start pushing guns???

I believe we are in agreement. Change takes time. Who knows what this country will see in 100 years. We won’t be around however. In the long run, minority rule isn’t sustainable.

[Kismet]

I believe we are in agreement. Change takes time. Who knows what this country will see in 100 years. We won’t be around however. In the long run, minority rule isn’t sustainable.

Actually minority rule was the key to how we got here - The electoral college, the filibuster rule. You can trace almost all of it back to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 wherein the method they got the slave states to buy in even though they were a minority of the delegates who were voting.

Majority rule with minority rights

https://www.pbs.org/tpt/constitution-us ... al/rights/

The minority rights initially protected slavery and allowed minority of Southern States to influence tariff policy. Recall nullification crisis in 1832

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullifica ... stitution)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCulloch_v._Maryland

[Typical Lax Dad]

I believe we are in agreement. Change takes time. Who knows what this country will see in 100 years. We won’t be around however. In the long run, minority rule isn’t sustainable.

Actually minority rule was the key to how we got here - The electoral college, the filibuster rule. You can trace almost all of it back to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 wherein the method they got the slave states to buy in even though they were a minority of the delegates who were voting.

Majority rule with minority rights

https://www.pbs.org/tpt/constitution-us ... al/rights/

The minority rights initially protected slavery and allowed minority of Southern States to influence tariff policy. Recall nullification crisis in 1832

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullifica ... stitution)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCulloch_v._Maryland

Hopefully the will of the people eventually wins out.

[Farfromgeneva]

I believe we are in agreement. Change takes time. Who knows what this country will see in 100 years. We won’t be around however. In the long run, minority rule isn’t sustainable.

Actually minority rule was the key to how we got here - The electoral college, the filibuster rule. You can trace almost all of it back to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 wherein the method they got the slave states to buy in even though they were a minority of the delegates who were voting.

Majority rule with minority rights

https://www.pbs.org/tpt/constitution-us ... al/rights/

The minority rights initially protected slavery and allowed minority of Southern States to influence tariff policy. Recall nullification crisis in 1832

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullifica ... stitution)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCulloch_v._Maryland

Hopefully the will of the people eventually wins out.

What are you, some kind of eternal optimist or something?

[cradleandshoot]

You do realize the leading cause of death among children in the USA is guns.

I find this to be somewhat misleading in the context of the assault weapons and school shootings discussion.
Guns kill too many children, period. Agree.
"Children". Homicide is the number one cause of gun deaths among "children". You can get rid of every AR15
and other types of assault weapons and that will change next to nothing (legalizing all drugs would do more, IMO).
Too many children killing other children. When you put your uniform on and go off to war at 18-19 you're a man,
when 18-19 killing your enemy in the drug war you're a child.

Looked at another way, Black children and teens were roughly five times as likely as their White counterparts to die from gunfire in 2021. There were 11.8 gun deaths per 100,000 Black children and teens that year, compared with 2.3 gun deaths per 100,000 White children and teens. The gun death rate among Hispanic children and teens was also 2.3 deaths per 100,000 in 2021, while it was lower among Asian children and teens (0.9 per 100,000).

There are also major racial and ethnic differences in the types of gun deaths involving children and teens. In 2021, a large majority of gun deaths involving Black children and teens (84%) were homicides, while 9% were suicides. Among White children and teens, by contrast, the majority of gun deaths (66%) were suicides, while a much smaller share (24%) were homicides.

In this analysis, Black, White and Asian children and teens include only those who are single-race and not Hispanic, while Hispanic children and teens are of any race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... two-years/

I think we have a gun problem in general. AR 15 included. (I don’t believe that you think we don’t have a gun problem. I am assuming we are in agreement. I may have moved beyond AR 15).

Do your sentiments include felons in possession of illegal weapons?

Are you stupid?
I'm pretty smart old sod. I do struggle trying to understand your stupidity. Are you as stupid as your logic says you are?
I would think you would be consistent in your criticism. What is YOUR opinion of criminals in possession of ILLEGAL WEAPONS?? You can reply in cartoon form if you prefer.

[Farfromgeneva]

When one reduces beyond the essence as a way of life there’s no point.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I am against illegal weapons and crimes committed with the use of a deadly weapon. Illegal or otherwise. I believe we have a gun problem in this country and I would work to reduce the supply of weapons which may make it even more difficult for a gun to find its way to criminals. Who manufactures illegal guns? Who is in that business? Those weapons come off a different manufacturing line? Are illegal guns “factory seconds” or something?

[Farfromgeneva]

I am against illegal weapons and crimes committed with the use of a deadly weapon. Illegal or otherwise. I believe we have a gun problem in this country and I would work to reduce the supply of weapons which may make it even more difficult for a gun to find its way to criminals. Who manufactures illegal guns? Who is in that business? Those weapons come off a different manufacturing line? Are illegal guns “factory seconds” or something?

The stupidity of some is that the law of large numbers means the more in circulation the more problems society will have. This is true of most things. The argument that the diversification of ownership will reduce volatility is ret….it will become a circular firing squad not a more peaceful society.

Neal Brennan has it right. Imagine if Brooklyn we’re rocking assault weapons. You’d all be walking around terrified and he’s legally legit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n8YwV6huCmE

[Typical Lax Dad]

When one reduces beyond the essence as a way of life there’s no point.

I can’t believe someone with a functioning brain stem believes someone is “for” illegal weapons and crime, unless that person is a criminal.

[Farfromgeneva]

When one reduces beyond the essence as a way of life there’s no point.

I can’t believe someone with a functioning brain stem believes someone is “for” illegal weapons and crime, unless that person is a criminal.

These questions come up from him all the time. Posed as either wildly stupid, disingenuous and bad faith or worse. And I’m not sure what is worse than being that stupid.

It’s probably stupid childish form gaslighting. But the fact you can’t tell is a signal of something regarding that person.

[DMac]

Neal Brennan has it right. Imagine if Brooklyn we’re rocking assault weapons. You’d all be walking around terrified and he’s legally legit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n8YwV6huCmE

This is a helluva a thing to say because he (and others) might well say the same about you and therein lies the problem.
Who makes that determination of who is legally legit to own a gun? Oh, 2A does whether you like that person, agree with him/her, feel as if he/she should have a gun or not.

I don't believe it's a minority that believes we have a right to own guns. The majority is in favor of background checks, Red Flag laws, etc but ultimately we still strongly believe in (virtually everyone's) the right to bear arms. Until that changes (not gonna happen in our lifetimes) not much is going to change in the line of gun deaths, IMO. Ultimately we're okay with the consequences of that, we've proven that time and time again.
https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/6 ... -rcna30537

[Typical Lax Dad]

Neal Brennan has it right. Imagine if Brooklyn we’re rocking assault weapons. You’d all be walking around terrified and he’s legally legit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n8YwV6huCmE

This is a helluva a thing to say because he (and others) might well say the same about you and therein lies the problem.
Who makes that determination of who is legally legit to own a gun? Oh, 2A does whether you like that person, agree with him/her, feel as if he/she should have a gun or not.

I don't believe it's a minority that believes we have a right to own guns. The majority is in favor of background checks, Red Flag laws, etc but ultimately we still strongly believe in (virtually everyone's) the right to bear arms. Until that changes (not gonna happen in our lifetimes) not much is going to change in the line of gun deaths, IMO. Ultimately we're okay with the consequences of that, we've proven that time and time again.
https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/6 ... -rcna30537

I don’t believe many Americans don’t believe in the right to own a gun. That’s just conflating the issue. That’s why nothing gets done. It is the all or nothing mentality that is pushed.

Most Americans favor more regulation….just like most Americans believe in freedom of choice when it comes to abortion and most Americans believe we should make voting easier not harder.


https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Don’t know where average Americans believe guns should be banned in this country. There are always extremes but put it on a bell shaped curve and most people favored more regulation not banning guns.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Neal Brennan has it right. Imagine if Brooklyn we’re rocking assault weapons. You’d all be walking around terrified and he’s legally legit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n8YwV6huCmE

This is a helluva a thing to say because he (and others) might well say the same about you and therein lies the problem.
Who makes that determination of who is legally legit to own a gun? Oh, 2A does whether you like that person, agree with him/her, feel as if he/she should have a gun or not.

We let a jury of 12 of our peers make decisions regarding our legal status and rights daily (for better and worse sometimes).

The mechanism is already in place.

[DMac]

No disagreement there but you don't need to take a jury of twelve with you when you go out to buy a gun, you're good to get one without them. You'll likely face that jury of your peers after you've killed someone with it but not before. That's where we struggle, who gets one (or 50) and who doesn't?

[MDlaxfan76]

No disagreement there but you don't need to take a jury of twelve with you when you go out to buy a gun, you're good to get one without them. You'll likely face that jury of your peers after you've killed someone with it but not before. That's where we struggle, who gets one (or 50) and who doesn't?

I think the point is or should be that we do have the rule of law, which includes due process, which though may be imperfect at times, is nevertheless the best system yet devised for adjudicating such issues.

That system is helpful for delineating the constitutionally protected rights of individuals within society, the balancing of various interests within a society under that constitution and the laws generated through democratically elected representatives, and then the direct administration of those laws as particularized to individual cases.

It's not supposed to be simple or easy.

[DMac]

Yup, understood. Not a flawless system with deadly consequences which we're okay with.
2A rules.