Can either side of this argument truly be proven wrong or right?....that was the point of continuing the discussion. The issue, was first mentioned by Elon, I wanted to argue the affirmative and see where it led us, in a public forum....yet, the other side either was influenced by their own confirmation bias or the time to enage, so they just said it was stupid or trolling.....essentially an attempt at a cheap shot.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:42 pmThere’s a whole universe that could plausibly and more likely be included in #d-? And there’s more value in that than the first three combined.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:25 pmThis is fun.....and you are making my point for me, thanks.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:43 pmNot doing anything???youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:18 pmFlipping your logic back on you....it proves those organizations are not doing anything to actually make it better for those the whom they are fighting for, if the claim is all those bad things are on the rise.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:10 pmViews like yours and Elon Musk’s pretty much disprove your arguments.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:51 pmYou really have a hard time thinking past the immediate, and are stuck in the past. Not to mention, very good at listening either.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:33 pmIt's the Jews fault that they are persecuted...they should just shut up?youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:22 pmI read the article quite differently....maybe I give people far too much rope before I revert to calling them something like an anti-semite. I read it as a shot directly at the ADM for perpetuating division; arguably, what many feel places like the NAACP also do. If these types of organizations did not exist any longer, (again, we can argue they served a very valuable purpose at inception) maybe, we could move past the divisions that they continue to keep alive, for the sake of their own survival. Just a thought.Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:14 pm He may be a genius at some things but as a person he's an idiot and apparently an anti-semite as well.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/16/elon-mu ... truth.html
I mean, particularly the organized Jews; if they just shut up about anti-semitism it would disappear...same for them blacks who get organized for civil rights...???
.....the ADL is doing wonders for Israel, no? Or asked differently, what have they done for Israel in order to help them secure peace....which is THE HOME of the Jews? Where were they during all the (essentially)pro-Hamas/Palestine marches on all the IL/college campuses.
Maybe I am wrong, but there is has to come a time where groups like these are not longer needed, out laws already protect each of us....maybe its time to cut the umbilical cord.
If anything, white supremacist racism is on the rise. Antisemitism is on the rise. Anti-LGBTQ bigotry is on the rise. Misogyny is on the rise. And the Republican Party has largely been transformed into a fascist personality cult.
If anything, America needs organizations like the ADL, NAACP, and ACLU more than ever before.
DocBarrister
Excuse me, but when anti-semitism leads to pogroms and holocausts and terrorist attacks it's not because the ADL has failed. It's because evil, bigoted, hate-filled people take control of a society and need a scapegoat.
We have "laws" against "aberrant behavior"??? How are those "laws" doing?
You're way out to lunch on this, youth.
You start with "Not doing anything???"
Then follow with "when anti-semitism leads to pogroms and holocausts and terrorist attacks it's not because the ADL has failed. It's because evil, bigoted, hate-filled people take control of a society and need a scapegoat."
To which I argue......it certainly seems like these groups are not doing any prevention work, except maintaining their 5013C status, considering, as you & Doc say, it's getting worse out there".
Then you try to argue with me about laws.....buy citing me, followed by "How are those "laws" doing? "
To which I reply....exactly the point. Hear me out, All these fabulous intentioned groups, talking and saying all the right things, followed by an argument that it is getting worse out there, and yet all the laws we have to prosecute such behavior has actually 'increased' the behavior, tells us what and we can make it multiple choice. Feel free to add additional options...
(a) These groups are failing
(b) The attorneys and judges are not prosecuting these crimes appropriately
(c) God and Faith is intentionally being washed out of current culture, and we are witnessing the rebound effect
(d) ???
It could be 1,000,000x worse without these groups and yet you took your argument in the opposite direction as if it was inconceivable that this could or likely is the case.
Have you considered your a is absolutely incorrect and in fact their efforts have been wildly successful because we could’ve had a genocide without them? You have to define success first and by leaving your argument so open without enough shape, framing or definition it has next to no value to a neutral third party. Unclear whether this opacity is an intentional heuristic to giant reaction with “intellectual shortcutters” or a mistake in advancing an argument but it has the same effect to those who think through it.
Seems going after Elon, OS, or Trump is all that primarily matters around here anymore.