Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tax-ir ... 8-billion/

[old salt]

Twisting in the wind, eschewing common sense and attacking others. All in defense of two loser grifters like Hunter Biden and Eric Trump.

Listen to yourselves, people.

A. you've forgotten that Old Salt has, and is actively, defending Trump family grift and unethical and illegal behavior, all while attacking Hunter. OS has no standing to call out Hunter or Joe for anything. He thinks the prosecutions of Trump are inherently unethical and corrupt.

Naturally, having the Trump Admin open a case on the Presidents son is perfectly ok in Old Salt's world, because of that Magic letter D.

B. Seem to remember you personally defending Trump when he called Zelensky and asked him to open a fake case into the Biden family. Yet you want us to get worked up over a kid who doesn't work for the Federal Government, because he didn't pay his taxes?

You left out the word alleged re Trump & kids. Have any of the kids been charged with any crimes ? ...not that it matters in this forum.

The IRS opened the case on Hunter for years of unpaid taxes & referred it to the Trump/Barr DoJ, which managed to launch the investigation without leaking it. (Can you say that about investigations of Trump ?) It's automatic -- fail to file or pay what's due, the IRS looks into it.

Hunter didn't work for the govt. He worked the govt.

Turns out, it wasn't a fake case in Ukraine.

[old salt]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tax-ir ... 8-billion/

It's OK, look at all the other cheaters. Good example there "dad".

[Kismet]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tax-ir ... 8-billion/

It's OK, look at all the other cheaters. Good example there "dad".

GOP thinks its ok - House just passed Israel aid package with a reduction in funding for IRS enforcement which actually INCREASES the deficit.

They are as hypocritical as you are. No wonder you support all of them plus Orange Fatso and Benedict Arnold Flynn.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tax-ir ... 8-billion/

It's OK, look at all the other cheaters. Good example there "dad".

If you dodge your taxes, you pay the consequences. It’s widespread. You never did explain your reasoning regarding how a parent can use his influence, access and resources to force their adult child to pay taxes they won’t pay or do anything else their adult child won’t do. How does a parent pull those lever to get their child to do something? You keep bringing up Hunter Biden instead of answering the question. What would YOU do? Answer the question. Don’t be childish.

[OCanada]

Twisting in the wind, eschewing common sense and attacking others. All in defense of two loser grifters like Hunter Biden and Eric Trump.

Listen to yourselves, people.

A. you've forgotten that Old Salt has, and is actively, defending Trump family grift and unethical and illegal behavior, all while attacking Hunter. OS has no standing to call out Hunter or Joe for anything. He thinks the prosecutions of Trump are inherently unethical and corrupt.

Naturally, having the Trump Admin open a case on the Presidents son is perfectly ok in Old Salt's world, because of that Magic letter D.

B. Seem to remember you personally defending Trump when he called Zelensky and asked him to open a fake case into the Biden family. Yet you want us to get worked up over a kid who doesn't work for the Federal Government, because he didn't pay his taxes?

You left out the word alleged re Trump & kids. Have any of the kids been charged with any crimes ? ...not that it matters in this forum.

The IRS opened the case on Hunter for years of unpaid taxes & referred it to the Trump/Barr DoJ, which managed to launch the investigation without leaking it. (Can you say that about investigations of Trump ?) It's automatic -- fail to file or pay what's due, the IRS looks into it.

Hunter didn't work for the govt. He worked the govt.

Turns out, it wasn't a fake case in Ukraine.

OS creates “facts” to suit his narrative. Seems to me the Trump family has a lot of familiarity with fraud perped w the kids. One in NY right now. Impression is Eric and Junior’s testimony were the nails in the coffin. Then there was the stealing of donations to a children’s cancer charity. Which is worse steaming from kids w cancer or being one of millions not properly paying taxes. I look at stealing donations for kids’ cancer as morally bankrupt in the extreme. And trt thsy did it. Trump U defrauding prople for money and stealing time for preparing for their future. Also morally bankrupt. I do hope the malignsncy OS carries had nothing to fo with the USN.

[MDlaxfan76]

Twisting in the wind, eschewing common sense and attacking others. All in defense of two loser grifters like Hunter Biden and Eric Trump.

Listen to yourselves, people.

A. you've forgotten that Old Salt has, and is actively, defending Trump family grift and unethical and illegal behavior, all while attacking Hunter. OS has no standing to call out Hunter or Joe for anything. He thinks the prosecutions of Trump are inherently unethical and corrupt.

Naturally, having the Trump Admin open a case on the Presidents son is perfectly ok in Old Salt's world, because of that Magic letter D.

B. Seem to remember you personally defending Trump when he called Zelensky and asked him to open a fake case into the Biden family. Yet you want us to get worked up over a kid who doesn't work for the Federal Government, because he didn't pay his taxes?

Further, Kram, has anyone on here argued that Hunter should NOT have to pay his taxes and pay whatever fines required? Indeed, has anyone on here argued that he shouldn't be held accountable for whatever illegal acts he has committed, consistent with the appropriate and regular treatment of others who have committed such illegal acts?

I haven't seen those arguments.

By contrast, I see all sorts of handwringing BS defenses of Trump and his organization, including his kids and other personnel, being unfairly prosecuted (persecuted) by a Deep State, partisan-biased conspiracy to benefit Democrats. No admission of the corrupt acts that have actually been proven, the actual frauds and criminal acts actually proven, no concern (other than defensive) for the corrupt, criminal acts indicted, indeed no recommendation of accountability for ANY illegal acts committed. Indeed, the exact opposite has been argued, that ANY investigation of corrupt acts committed by Trump, his org, his children, his employees, his prominent supporters MUST be stopped as inherently corrupt themselves. Even, F the rule of law. Defund the FBI, the Deep State.

See the difference?

Now, if those on here who have previously identified themselves as supportive of, defensive for, Trump or MAGA "policies" in earlier cycles of their thinking were to now instead demonstrate a commitment to accountability for corruption wherever it may be found, including within the ranks of those seeking high office representing those "policies", a full throated sincere support for the rule of law, regardless of who the powerful person it implicates, THEN we can have a reasonable discussion of how best to address those issues and policies.

[youthathletics]

Twisting in the wind, eschewing common sense and attacking others. All in defense of two loser grifters like Hunter Biden and Eric Trump.

Listen to yourselves, people.

A. you've forgotten that Old Salt has, and is actively, defending Trump family grift and unethical and illegal behavior, all while attacking Hunter. OS has no standing to call out Hunter or Joe for anything. He thinks the prosecutions of Trump are inherently unethical and corrupt.

Naturally, having the Trump Admin open a case on the Presidents son is perfectly ok in Old Salt's world, because of that Magic letter D.

B. Seem to remember you personally defending Trump when he called Zelensky and asked him to open a fake case into the Biden family. Yet you want us to get worked up over a kid who doesn't work for the Federal Government, because he didn't pay his taxes?

Further, Kram, has anyone on here argued that Hunter should NOT have to pay his taxes and pay whatever fines required? Indeed, has anyone on here argued that he shouldn't be held accountable for whatever illegal acts he has committed, consistent with the appropriate and regular treatment of others who have committed such illegal acts?

I haven't seen those arguments.

By contrast, I see all sorts of handwringing BS defenses of Trump and his organization, including his kids and other personnel, being unfairly prosecuted (persecuted) by a Deep State, partisan-biased conspiracy to benefit Democrats. No admission of the corrupt acts that have actually been proven, the actual frauds and criminal acts actually proven, no concern (other than defensive) for the corrupt, criminal acts indicted, indeed no recommendation of accountability for ANY illegal acts committed. Indeed, the exact opposite has been argued, that ANY investigation of corrupt acts committed by Trump, his org, his children, his employees, his prominent supporters MUST be stopped as inherently corrupt themselves. Even, F the rule of law. Defund the FBI, the Deep State.

See the difference?

Now, if those on here who have previously identified themselves as supportive of, defensive for, Trump or MAGA "policies" in earlier cycles of their thinking were to now instead demonstrate a commitment to accountability for corruption wherever it may be found, including within the ranks of those seeking high office representing those "policies", a full throated sincere support for the rule of law, regardless of who the powerful person it implicates, THEN we can have a reasonable discussion of how best to address those issues and policies.

......a sin is a sin, enough of the trump bluster and reference to everything in the past. You sound like a broken record with the MAGA spiel. Not one person on this thread, that I can tell, fits your narrative of being in the MAGA corner. Yet, day in and day out, it's where you end up when discussing most everything political in nature. Clearly you are aware Trump is on the hot site, he and family now have their day(s) in court, which is what so many want...is that not enough?

Curious....what are you going to do if he walks away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist....apologize, double down, or subtly pivot elsewhere while hoping crow is not on your menu?

[Farfromgeneva]

Twisting in the wind, eschewing common sense and attacking others. All in defense of two loser grifters like Hunter Biden and Eric Trump.

Listen to yourselves, people.

A. you've forgotten that Old Salt has, and is actively, defending Trump family grift and unethical and illegal behavior, all while attacking Hunter. OS has no standing to call out Hunter or Joe for anything. He thinks the prosecutions of Trump are inherently unethical and corrupt.

Naturally, having the Trump Admin open a case on the Presidents son is perfectly ok in Old Salt's world, because of that Magic letter D.

B. Seem to remember you personally defending Trump when he called Zelensky and asked him to open a fake case into the Biden family. Yet you want us to get worked up over a kid who doesn't work for the Federal Government, because he didn't pay his taxes?

Further, Kram, has anyone on here argued that Hunter should NOT have to pay his taxes and pay whatever fines required? Indeed, has anyone on here argued that he shouldn't be held accountable for whatever illegal acts he has committed, consistent with the appropriate and regular treatment of others who have committed such illegal acts?

I haven't seen those arguments.

By contrast, I see all sorts of handwringing BS defenses of Trump and his organization, including his kids and other personnel, being unfairly prosecuted (persecuted) by a Deep State, partisan-biased conspiracy to benefit Democrats. No admission of the corrupt acts that have actually been proven, the actual frauds and criminal acts actually proven, no concern (other than defensive) for the corrupt, criminal acts indicted, indeed no recommendation of accountability for ANY illegal acts committed. Indeed, the exact opposite has been argued, that ANY investigation of corrupt acts committed by Trump, his org, his children, his employees, his prominent supporters MUST be stopped as inherently corrupt themselves. Even, F the rule of law. Defund the FBI, the Deep State.

See the difference?

Now, if those on here who have previously identified themselves as supportive of, defensive for, Trump or MAGA "policies" in earlier cycles of their thinking were to now instead demonstrate a commitment to accountability for corruption wherever it may be found, including within the ranks of those seeking high office representing those "policies", a full throated sincere support for the rule of law, regardless of who the powerful person it implicates, THEN we can have a reasonable discussion of how best to address those issues and policies.

......a sin is a sin, enough of the trump bluster and reference to everything in the past. You sound like a broken record with the MAGA spiel. Not one person on this thread, that I can tell, fits your narrative of being in the MAGA corner. Yet, day in and day out, it's where you end up when discussing most everything political in nature. Clearly you are aware Trump is on the hot site, he and family now have their day(s) in court, which is what so many want...is that not enough?

Curious....what are you going to do if he walks away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist....apologize, double down, or subtly pivot elsewhere while hoping crow is not on your menu?

Defending trump supporters at this point is effectively defending the man himself. You can deny his presence when it’s still dominant until someone actually unseats him which is what you want to do.

Are all sins really equal? That’s your fixed position?

https://apnews.com/article/trump-electi ... 1afe0e4639

[youthathletics]

Are all sins really equal? That’s your fixed position?

Yes, all sins are equally wrong, not equally bad.

James 2:10
Matthew 5:21-28
Romans 1:18-22 - verse 22 is a good one for you.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Are all sins really equal? That’s your fixed position?

Yes, all sins are equally wrong, not equally bad.

James 2:10
Matthew 5:21-28
Romans 1:18-22 - verse 22 is a good one for you.

So not all equal. Thanks. Nice bible citations.

[MDlaxfan76]

Twisting in the wind, eschewing common sense and attacking others. All in defense of two loser grifters like Hunter Biden and Eric Trump.

Listen to yourselves, people.

A. you've forgotten that Old Salt has, and is actively, defending Trump family grift and unethical and illegal behavior, all while attacking Hunter. OS has no standing to call out Hunter or Joe for anything. He thinks the prosecutions of Trump are inherently unethical and corrupt.

Naturally, having the Trump Admin open a case on the Presidents son is perfectly ok in Old Salt's world, because of that Magic letter D.

B. Seem to remember you personally defending Trump when he called Zelensky and asked him to open a fake case into the Biden family. Yet you want us to get worked up over a kid who doesn't work for the Federal Government, because he didn't pay his taxes?

Further, Kram, has anyone on here argued that Hunter should NOT have to pay his taxes and pay whatever fines required? Indeed, has anyone on here argued that he shouldn't be held accountable for whatever illegal acts he has committed, consistent with the appropriate and regular treatment of others who have committed such illegal acts?

I haven't seen those arguments.

By contrast, I see all sorts of handwringing BS defenses of Trump and his organization, including his kids and other personnel, being unfairly prosecuted (persecuted) by a Deep State, partisan-biased conspiracy to benefit Democrats. No admission of the corrupt acts that have actually been proven, the actual frauds and criminal acts actually proven, no concern (other than defensive) for the corrupt, criminal acts indicted, indeed no recommendation of accountability for ANY illegal acts committed. Indeed, the exact opposite has been argued, that ANY investigation of corrupt acts committed by Trump, his org, his children, his employees, his prominent supporters MUST be stopped as inherently corrupt themselves. Even, F the rule of law. Defund the FBI, the Deep State.

See the difference?

Now, if those on here who have previously identified themselves as supportive of, defensive for, Trump or MAGA "policies" in earlier cycles of their thinking were to now instead demonstrate a commitment to accountability for corruption wherever it may be found, including within the ranks of those seeking high office representing those "policies", a full throated sincere support for the rule of law, regardless of who the powerful person it implicates, THEN we can have a reasonable discussion of how best to address those issues and policies.

......a sin is a sin, enough of the trump bluster and reference to everything in the past. You sound like a broken record with the MAGA spiel. Not one person on this thread, that I can tell, fits your narrative of being in the MAGA corner. Yet, day in and day out, it's where you end up when discussing most everything political in nature. Clearly you are aware Trump is on the hot site, he and family now have their day(s) in court, which is what so many want...is that not enough?

Curious....what are you going to do if he walks away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist....apologize, double down, or subtly pivot elsewhere while hoping crow is not on your menu?

sin?
"sin is sin"??
We're talking crimes and danger to the republic, not tiddly winks.

And no, the "sins" we're discussing are not remotely equal.

Most importantly in a political thread, whether we like it or not, this is not "the past"; the GOP has been over run by MAGA; Trump is the runaway choice to be the GOP's nominee for President and the House has just anointed a radical MAGA extremist as Speaker...that needn't mean that you (or anyone) personally are MAGA cultists, but if you refuse to confront it, and instead try every possible way to avoid supporting full accountability for these crimes, rejecting these corrupt people, then you're 100% complicit if MAGA prevails in achieving power.

I'm only asking that we hold all criminals to account, appropriate to their crimes, regardless of their partisan promises or power or wealth. Not greater, not lesser than what is regularly punished when people come to the attention of the law through their own actions. And for god's sake, don't support the worst of the worst among choices for higher office, giving the most corrupt the most power.

If you and anyone else on here who has supported MAGA or waffled in the past, now agree, terrific.

But don't look away. Don't excuse or defend overt corrupt and proven criminal behavior.

Is that really such a tough 'ask'?

As to "slap on the wrist", I certainly hope that Trump and all those who were complicit in any of his criminal and corrupt acts, or their own independent such acts, are held to full account. In criminal court, in electoral defeat, in disbarment, in business forfeiture, in damage to reputation, in loss of business licenses, in personal freedom, and if it pleases you: before God in final judgment.

That all said, our justice system puts an immense burden of proof on the prosecution to prove the key elements of any indictment, any civil or criminal action, and, as often happens with those actually guilty of crime or tort, yet well represented by top notch defense counsel, the prosecution or complainant fails to make its full case satisfactory to the judge and/or jury. We WANT that system to be hard on the prosecution. And it is. So, sometimes "OJ" walks. But sometimes Sam Bankman Fried is found guilty on all counts.

I'm curious as to what it will take for you to "apologize"?
Findings of fraud? Multiple findings of fraud? Findings of liability for sexual assault?

What will it take for you to "eat crow" that hasn't already been been proven in court?

I realize that cheating on one's spouse, indeed cheating on each of 3 spouses, even cheating with a porn star with one's current wife pregnant at home...insufficient for you and your morality.

But since we knew that had happened, there's also been multiple court cases which have proven fraudulent acts in businesses and charity, and liability for sexual assault, in common parlance according the judge, "rape".

and yet, not enough?

What's it gonna take?

[cradleandshoot]

Twisting in the wind, eschewing common sense and attacking others. All in defense of two loser grifters like Hunter Biden and Eric Trump.

Listen to yourselves, people.

A. you've forgotten that Old Salt has, and is actively, defending Trump family grift and unethical and illegal behavior, all while attacking Hunter. OS has no standing to call out Hunter or Joe for anything. He thinks the prosecutions of Trump are inherently unethical and corrupt.

Naturally, having the Trump Admin open a case on the Presidents son is perfectly ok in Old Salt's world, because of that Magic letter D.

B. Seem to remember you personally defending Trump when he called Zelensky and asked him to open a fake case into the Biden family. Yet you want us to get worked up over a kid who doesn't work for the Federal Government, because he didn't pay his taxes?

Further, Kram, has anyone on here argued that Hunter should NOT have to pay his taxes and pay whatever fines required? Indeed, has anyone on here argued that he shouldn't be held accountable for whatever illegal acts he has committed, consistent with the appropriate and regular treatment of others who have committed such illegal acts?

I haven't seen those arguments.

By contrast, I see all sorts of handwringing BS defenses of Trump and his organization, including his kids and other personnel, being unfairly prosecuted (persecuted) by a Deep State, partisan-biased conspiracy to benefit Democrats. No admission of the corrupt acts that have actually been proven, the actual frauds and criminal acts actually proven, no concern (other than defensive) for the corrupt, criminal acts indicted, indeed no recommendation of accountability for ANY illegal acts committed. Indeed, the exact opposite has been argued, that ANY investigation of corrupt acts committed by Trump, his org, his children, his employees, his prominent supporters MUST be stopped as inherently corrupt themselves. Even, F the rule of law. Defund the FBI, the Deep State.

See the difference?

Now, if those on here who have previously identified themselves as supportive of, defensive for, Trump or MAGA "policies" in earlier cycles of their thinking were to now instead demonstrate a commitment to accountability for corruption wherever it may be found, including within the ranks of those seeking high office representing those "policies", a full throated sincere support for the rule of law, regardless of who the powerful person it implicates, THEN we can have a reasonable discussion of how best to address those issues and policies.

......a sin is a sin, enough of the trump bluster and reference to everything in the past. You sound like a broken record with the MAGA spiel. Not one person on this thread, that I can tell, fits your narrative of being in the MAGA corner. Yet, day in and day out, it's where you end up when discussing most everything political in nature. Clearly you are aware Trump is on the hot site, he and family now have their day(s) in court, which is what so many want...is that not enough?

Curious....what are you going to do if he walks away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist....apologize, double down, or subtly pivot elsewhere while hoping crow is not on your menu?

sin?
"sin is sin"??
We're talking crimes and danger to the republic, not tiddly winks.

And no, the "sins" we're discussing are not remotely equal.

Most importantly in a political thread, whether we like it or not, this is not "the past"; the GOP has been over run by MAGA; Trump is the runaway choice to be the GOP's nominee for President and the House has just anointed a radical MAGA extremist as Speaker...that needn't mean that you (or anyone) personally are MAGA cultists, but if you refuse to confront it, and instead try every possible way to avoid supporting full accountability for these crimes, rejecting these corrupt people, then you're 100% complicit if MAGA prevails in achieving power.

I'm only asking that we hold all criminals to account, appropriate to their crimes, regardless of their partisan promises or power or wealth. Not greater, not lesser than what is regularly punished when people come to the attention of the law through their own actions. And for god's sake, don't support the worst of the worst among choices for higher office, giving the most corrupt the most power.

If you and anyone else on here who has supported MAGA or waffled in the past, now agree, terrific.

But don't look away. Don't excuse or defend overt corrupt and proven criminal behavior.

Is that really such a tough 'ask'?

As to "slap on the wrist", I certainly hope that Trump and all those who were complicit in any of his criminal and corrupt acts, or their own independent such acts, are held to full account. In criminal court, in electoral defeat, in disbarment, in business forfeiture, in damage to reputation, in loss of business licenses, in personal freedom, and if it pleases you: before God in final judgment.

That all said, our justice system puts an immense burden of proof on the prosecution to prove the key elements of any indictment, any civil or criminal action, and, as often happens with those actually guilty of crime or tort, yet well represented by top notch defense counsel, the prosecution or complainant fails to make its full case satisfactory to the judge and/or jury. We WANT that system to be hard on the prosecution. And it is. So, sometimes "OJ" walks. But sometimes Sam Bankman Fried is found guilty on all counts.

I'm curious as to what it will take for you to "apologize"?
Findings of fraud? Multiple findings of fraud? Findings of liability for sexual assault?

What will it take for you to "eat crow" that hasn't already been been proven in court?

I realize that cheating on one's spouse, indeed cheating on each of 3 spouses, even cheating with a porn star with one's current wife pregnant at home...insufficient for you and your morality.

But since we knew that had happened, there's also been multiple court cases which have proven fraudulent acts in businesses and charity, and liability for sexual assault, in common parlance according the judge, "rape".

and yet, not enough?

What's it gonna take?

Yet we know that Bill Clinton getting a hummer from some groupie in the oral office was no big deal for the FLP hypocrites. Monogamy and fidelity among the scumbag politicians in DC is NBD. You remember MD how you and your liberal Democrat friends mocked and ridiculed VP Pence for his dedication to his wife and reluctance to mingle socially with any woman other than his wife. What side of your mouth are you and your liberal Democrat friends talking out of today. For all you know all trump received was the same hummer that Bill Clinton enjoyed. What we learned from you and your liberal Democrat friends is a hummer isn't actually sex... Any of you folks think you can convince your spouses that getting a hummer isn't sex? That was Bills excuse.

[Farfromgeneva]

Are all sins really equal? That’s your fixed position?

Yes, all sins are equally wrong, not equally bad.

James 2:10
Matthew 5:21-28
Romans 1:18-22 - verse 22 is a good one for you.

But then they aren’t equal which was my question. By definition of the word sin = wrong, I get that though I bet a genealogy of the usage of the term might find different results. But equality and right/wrong are clearly not synonymous which I presume you understand.

Ok so we don’t throw everyone in jail for everyone violation right? so they are not equal clearly. And any false equivalency, by your own definition, isn’t relevant to this discussion then.

And btw I once read that joint when I was a kid but retained very little. The only Romans I’m trying to get into is how I can execute a “Roman Soldier” on Jennifer Connelly.
*** this link is to a more street dictionary not advised for under 18, or whatever age you prefer. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... %20soldier

[Typical Lax Dad]

Are all sins really equal? That’s your fixed position?

Yes, all sins are equally wrong, not equally bad.

James 2:10
Matthew 5:21-28
Romans 1:18-22 - verse 22 is a good one for you.

But then they aren’t equal which was my question. By definition of the word sin = wrong, I get that though I bet a genealogy of the usage of the term might find different results. But equality and right/wrong are clearly not synonymous which I presume you understand.

Ok so we don’t throw everyone in jail for everyone violation right? so they are not equal clearly. And any false equivalency, by your own definition, isn’t relevant to this discussion then.

And btw I once read that joint when I was a kid but retained very little. The only Romans I’m trying to get into is how I can execute a “Roman Soldier” on Jennifer Connelly.
*** this link is to a more street dictionary not advised for under 18, or whatever age you prefer. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... %20soldier

She’s pretty. Aged very well

[Farfromgeneva]

Are all sins really equal? That’s your fixed position?

Yes, all sins are equally wrong, not equally bad.

James 2:10
Matthew 5:21-28
Romans 1:18-22 - verse 22 is a good one for you.

But then they aren’t equal which was my question. By definition of the word sin = wrong, I get that though I bet a genealogy of the usage of the term might find different results. But equality and right/wrong are clearly not synonymous which I presume you understand.

Ok so we don’t throw everyone in jail for everyone violation right? so they are not equal clearly. And any false equivalency, by your own definition, isn’t relevant to this discussion then.

And btw I once read that joint when I was a kid but retained very little. The only Romans I’m trying to get into is how I can execute a “Roman Soldier” on Jennifer Connelly.
*** this link is to a more street dictionary not advised for under 18, or whatever age you prefer. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... %20soldier

She’s pretty. Aged very well

It’s the eyes.

[MDlaxfan76]

Twisting in the wind, eschewing common sense and attacking others. All in defense of two loser grifters like Hunter Biden and Eric Trump.

Listen to yourselves, people.

A. you've forgotten that Old Salt has, and is actively, defending Trump family grift and unethical and illegal behavior, all while attacking Hunter. OS has no standing to call out Hunter or Joe for anything. He thinks the prosecutions of Trump are inherently unethical and corrupt.

Naturally, having the Trump Admin open a case on the Presidents son is perfectly ok in Old Salt's world, because of that Magic letter D.

B. Seem to remember you personally defending Trump when he called Zelensky and asked him to open a fake case into the Biden family. Yet you want us to get worked up over a kid who doesn't work for the Federal Government, because he didn't pay his taxes?

Further, Kram, has anyone on here argued that Hunter should NOT have to pay his taxes and pay whatever fines required? Indeed, has anyone on here argued that he shouldn't be held accountable for whatever illegal acts he has committed, consistent with the appropriate and regular treatment of others who have committed such illegal acts?

I haven't seen those arguments.

By contrast, I see all sorts of handwringing BS defenses of Trump and his organization, including his kids and other personnel, being unfairly prosecuted (persecuted) by a Deep State, partisan-biased conspiracy to benefit Democrats. No admission of the corrupt acts that have actually been proven, the actual frauds and criminal acts actually proven, no concern (other than defensive) for the corrupt, criminal acts indicted, indeed no recommendation of accountability for ANY illegal acts committed. Indeed, the exact opposite has been argued, that ANY investigation of corrupt acts committed by Trump, his org, his children, his employees, his prominent supporters MUST be stopped as inherently corrupt themselves. Even, F the rule of law. Defund the FBI, the Deep State.

See the difference?

Now, if those on here who have previously identified themselves as supportive of, defensive for, Trump or MAGA "policies" in earlier cycles of their thinking were to now instead demonstrate a commitment to accountability for corruption wherever it may be found, including within the ranks of those seeking high office representing those "policies", a full throated sincere support for the rule of law, regardless of who the powerful person it implicates, THEN we can have a reasonable discussion of how best to address those issues and policies.

......a sin is a sin, enough of the trump bluster and reference to everything in the past. You sound like a broken record with the MAGA spiel. Not one person on this thread, that I can tell, fits your narrative of being in the MAGA corner. Yet, day in and day out, it's where you end up when discussing most everything political in nature. Clearly you are aware Trump is on the hot site, he and family now have their day(s) in court, which is what so many want...is that not enough?

Curious....what are you going to do if he walks away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist....apologize, double down, or subtly pivot elsewhere while hoping crow is not on your menu?

sin?
"sin is sin"??
We're talking crimes and danger to the republic, not tiddly winks.

And no, the "sins" we're discussing are not remotely equal.

Most importantly in a political thread, whether we like it or not, this is not "the past"; the GOP has been over run by MAGA; Trump is the runaway choice to be the GOP's nominee for President and the House has just anointed a radical MAGA extremist as Speaker...that needn't mean that you (or anyone) personally are MAGA cultists, but if you refuse to confront it, and instead try every possible way to avoid supporting full accountability for these crimes, rejecting these corrupt people, then you're 100% complicit if MAGA prevails in achieving power.

I'm only asking that we hold all criminals to account, appropriate to their crimes, regardless of their partisan promises or power or wealth. Not greater, not lesser than what is regularly punished when people come to the attention of the law through their own actions. And for god's sake, don't support the worst of the worst among choices for higher office, giving the most corrupt the most power.

If you and anyone else on here who has supported MAGA or waffled in the past, now agree, terrific.

But don't look away. Don't excuse or defend overt corrupt and proven criminal behavior.

Is that really such a tough 'ask'?

As to "slap on the wrist", I certainly hope that Trump and all those who were complicit in any of his criminal and corrupt acts, or their own independent such acts, are held to full account. In criminal court, in electoral defeat, in disbarment, in business forfeiture, in damage to reputation, in loss of business licenses, in personal freedom, and if it pleases you: before God in final judgment.

That all said, our justice system puts an immense burden of proof on the prosecution to prove the key elements of any indictment, any civil or criminal action, and, as often happens with those actually guilty of crime or tort, yet well represented by top notch defense counsel, the prosecution or complainant fails to make its full case satisfactory to the judge and/or jury. We WANT that system to be hard on the prosecution. And it is. So, sometimes "OJ" walks. But sometimes Sam Bankman Fried is found guilty on all counts.

I'm curious as to what it will take for you to "apologize"?
Findings of fraud? Multiple findings of fraud? Findings of liability for sexual assault?

What will it take for you to "eat crow" that hasn't already been been proven in court?

I realize that cheating on one's spouse, indeed cheating on each of 3 spouses, even cheating with a porn star with one's current wife pregnant at home...insufficient for you and your morality.

But since we knew that had happened, there's also been multiple court cases which have proven fraudulent acts in businesses and charity, and liability for sexual assault, in common parlance according the judge, "rape".

and yet, not enough?

What's it gonna take?

Yet we know that Bill Clinton getting a hummer from some groupie in the oral office was no big deal for the FLP hypocrites. Monogamy and fidelity among the scumbag politicians in DC is NBD. You remember MD how you and your liberal Democrat friends mocked and ridiculed VP Pence for his dedication to his wife and reluctance to mingle socially with any woman other than his wife. What side of your mouth are you and your liberal Democrat friends talking out of today. For all you know all trump received was the same hummer that Bill Clinton enjoyed. What we learned from you and your liberal Democrat friends is a hummer isn't actually sex... Any of you folks think you can convince your spouses that getting a hummer isn't sex? That was Bills excuse.

cradle, I bet it's not the last time I remind you that I'm not a Democrat much less "FLP". I didn't vote for Clinton either time, I believed he was at best a womanizing cheat and at worst a rapist, and I thought it was a horrendous mistake to elect him over HW.

But, if you're asking me which cheating womanizer was the bigger cheat, I gotta say Trump. But I quite agree that the election of Clinton dramatically lowered the bar in terms of sexual matters.

And no, I didn't make fun of Pence's "dedication to his wife", just his immense hypocrisy of supporting Trump who he knew had the morality of a rabid dog chasing tail.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tax-ir ... 8-billion/

It's OK, look at all the other cheaters. Good example there "dad".

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzRD12IAcc- ... M1YmI2Ng==

[old salt]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tax-ir ... 8-billion/

It's OK, look at all the other cheaters. Good example there "dad".

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzRD12IAcc- ... M1YmI2Ng==

great example

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/decades- ... 23894.html
This is not Tucker’s first rodeo with the federal agency. In 2014, he agreed to pay the IRS $14 million after a lien was placed on one of his properties due to what his team said was the result of “poor accounting and business management.”

In 2010, the IRS and Tucker began negotiations that continued in 2011 and 2016 that would have him entering into an installment payment plan. The scheduled payments were to be between $25,000 and $50,000 over the course of 10 years.

Ultimately, the deal fell through when it was determined that the Atlanta-GA, native could not pay the debt off within a decade. Per the court documents, Tucker chose not to make payments despite having “sufficient equity and cash to pay the taxes fully.”

Over the past years, the IRS has reportedly urged Tucker to liquidate his assets to pay off the taxes. However, the suggestion was turned down.

Instead, in 2015, the 52-year-old actor and the U.S. agency agreed on monthly payments of $38,000 that he paid consistently before defaulting in 2019, according to MSN.

Success In Hollywood
In early 2023, Tucker, who has achieved huge success within Hollywood, especially for the “Rush Hour” trilogy of films, explained why he walked away from the industry despite earning top dollar as an actor at the time.

“The way I kind of stepped back from Hollywood, at one point being the highest paid actor in Hollywood, I felt like you know it was a ceiling right there,” Tucker said in an interview with Classix 102.9 ATL, per Atlanta Black Star. “I wanted more — it wasn’t enough.”

The details of when Tucker is expected to pay out the $3.58 million settlement to the IRS have yet to be disclosed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tax-ir ... 8-billion/

It's OK, look at all the other cheaters. Good example there "dad".

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzRD12IAcc- ... M1YmI2Ng==

great example

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/decades- ... 23894.html
This is not Tucker’s first rodeo with the federal agency. In 2014, he agreed to pay the IRS $14 million after a lien was placed on one of his properties due to what his team said was the result of “poor accounting and business management.”

In 2010, the IRS and Tucker began negotiations that continued in 2011 and 2016 that would have him entering into an installment payment plan. The scheduled payments were to be between $25,000 and $50,000 over the course of 10 years.

Ultimately, the deal fell through when it was determined that the Atlanta-GA, native could not pay the debt off within a decade. Per the court documents, Tucker chose not to make payments despite having “sufficient equity and cash to pay the taxes fully.”

Over the past years, the IRS has reportedly urged Tucker to liquidate his assets to pay off the taxes. However, the suggestion was turned down.

Instead, in 2015, the 52-year-old actor and the U.S. agency agreed on monthly payments of $38,000 that he paid consistently before defaulting in 2019, according to MSN.

Success In Hollywood
In early 2023, Tucker, who has achieved huge success within Hollywood, especially for the “Rush Hour” trilogy of films, explained why he walked away from the industry despite earning top dollar as an actor at the time.

“The way I kind of stepped back from Hollywood, at one point being the highest paid actor in Hollywood, I felt like you know it was a ceiling right there,” Tucker said in an interview with Classix 102.9 ATL, per Atlanta Black Star. “I wanted more — it wasn’t enough.”

The details of when Tucker is expected to pay out the $3.58 million settlement to the IRS have yet to be disclosed.

So, nothing special about Hunter then, right?