The Biden - Harris Era.

[MDlaxfan76]

Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....

He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...

https://www.news10.com/news/politics/ap ... ding-bill/

But a big nothing burger, regardless.

in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.

me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.

Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.

Full video. Bowman is a liar. Never even tried to use door after pulling alarm. He should be expelled and it’s a felony.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/17176 ... a82I2GssRg

He would have been expelled just a few years ago. Pulling a fire alarm in a crowed building is horribly dangerous, and irresponsible.

But you let Trump and your fellow R's set the bar, YA. Now? This is just another day in Congress.

Where's your call for Thomas, YA? Forget about him?

You asked for this. This is what you get.

Yea, the "if jimmy jumps off a bridge are you going to follow him", model works well for 4 year olds. Happy to hear you agree your side is equally is stupid and bullet proof from the law. And just pure laughable, again, that you think it all started with Trump. Who knew Trump was so powerful, enough so, that he completely changed how the world views breaking the laws.....and in only 4 short years.

They're not my side, my man. What part of "pulling a fire alarm is horribly dangerous" did you miss?. If I was in charge, Santos, Boebert, and this fire-alarm pulling idiot would all be gone.

It all started with your party looking the other way, with Trump not once, not twice, but three freaking times. It's when you hit bottom, and you keep right on digging.

You keep saying that we don't get Trump.

What you don't want to hear is what he's done to Republican voters----and what he's done to what your fellow R voters view as right and wrong, YA. You have no bottom anymore. You just don't care. Party first, values are not even on your list anymore. If they were? There is NO WAY Trump would be anywhere close to your nominee. You'd quit the party first.

If you've done that? You have my full support, as well as my full apology. Did you leave your party? And tell them why you left?

I’ve probably said it a dozen times, I’m not a trump supporter. And quoting the party because of a rogue candidate is like quitting being Christian b/c of some rogue sect….You make it sound like there no more good guys on the right. That’s be like MDLAX signing up to be a democrat, as much as he tells us he’s a republican. Nuance needs to be applied….I can call Bowman out from the clear cut video evidence and also call out that Trump is not fit for office.

We are fighting for the same thing….civility and decorum.

I don't think 'leaving the party' is the sole way to roll, but I refuse to vote for any election denier, and I won't for any Republican for federal office until the MAGA insurrectionist cult is washed out of the GOP.

F- "I like the policies" BS.
No power for these a-holes.

And we're whining about some knucklehead pulling a fire alarm??
Yup, a misdemeanor.
Wanna kick him out of the House, then flush Santos...what, not going to flush him?

It's ok to refuse to answer Congressional subpoenas if you just don't wanna?
And we're worried about a fire alarm?
Nah, let's nominate the insurrectionist to be Speaker.
Ok, that wrestler guy is too much of a jerk, let's get the next insurrectionist who smiles when he demands a complete national abortion ban...

Yeah, Melendez needs to be fully kicked to the curb by Dems ( of course!!!), but holy moly, it doesn't touch what is excused by the MAGA GOP now.

[a fan]

Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....

He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...

https://www.news10.com/news/politics/ap ... ding-bill/

But a big nothing burger, regardless.

in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.

me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.

Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.

Full video. Bowman is a liar. Never even tried to use door after pulling alarm. He should be expelled and it’s a felony.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/17176 ... a82I2GssRg

He would have been expelled just a few years ago. Pulling a fire alarm in a crowed building is horribly dangerous, and irresponsible.

But you let Trump and your fellow R's set the bar, YA. Now? This is just another day in Congress.

Where's your call for Thomas, YA? Forget about him?

You asked for this. This is what you get.

Yea, the "if jimmy jumps off a bridge are you going to follow him", model works well for 4 year olds. Happy to hear you agree your side is equally is stupid and bullet proof from the law. And just pure laughable, again, that you think it all started with Trump. Who knew Trump was so powerful, enough so, that he completely changed how the world views breaking the laws.....and in only 4 short years.

They're not my side, my man. What part of "pulling a fire alarm is horribly dangerous" did you miss?. If I was in charge, Santos, Boebert, and this fire-alarm pulling idiot would all be gone.

It all started with your party looking the other way, with Trump not once, not twice, but three freaking times. It's when you hit bottom, and you keep right on digging.

You keep saying that we don't get Trump.

What you don't want to hear is what he's done to Republican voters----and what he's done to what your fellow R voters view as right and wrong, YA. You have no bottom anymore. You just don't care. Party first, values are not even on your list anymore. If they were? There is NO WAY Trump would be anywhere close to your nominee. You'd quit the party first.

If you've done that? You have my full support, as well as my full apology. Did you leave your party? And tell them why you left?

I’ve probably said it a dozen times, I’m not a trump supporter. And quoting the party because of a rogue candidate is like quitting being Christian b/c of some rogue sect….You make it sound like there no more good guys on the right. That’s be like MDLAX signing up to be a democrat, as much as he tells us he’s a republican. Nuance needs to be applied….I can call Bowman out from the clear cut video evidence and also call out that Trump is not fit for office.

We are fighting for the same thing….civility and decorum.

I don't think 'leaving the party' is the sole way to roll,

And yet your party has nominated Trump THREE TIMES now.

What needs to happen for y'all to get the message that you are ENABLING this stuff?

Every piece of data you are handing to your party says to the Republican Party "we love this guy, please don't work on any other leader for our party".

[old salt]

I’ve probably said it a dozen times, I’m not a trump supporter. And quoting the party because of a rogue candidate is like quitting being Christian b/c of some rogue sect….You make it sound like there no more good guys on the right. That’s be like MDLAX signing up to be a democrat, as much as he tells us he’s a republican. Nuance needs to be applied….I can call Bowman out from the clear cut video evidence and also call out that Trump is not fit for office.

We are fighting for the same thing….civility and decorum.

You and OS keep saying this...that you have no power. I'm sorry, you're wrong.

If even 100K R's left the party over Trump, and emailed why? Trump would never have shown up on the ballot. It's their biggest fear.

Staying in the party, coupled with how Trump polls with R voters tells the R party: yes, we LOVE this guy, more please.

I would 100% expect you leave Christianity immediately if it turned out the Trump was the leader of Christianity.

It's OK to pull fire alarms because of Trump = Toddler logic.

As usual, you have it backwards: I want both Trump and a fire alarm puller out of Federal government.

On the other hand? If I used the logic you'ved use to defend Trump? Here ya go:

1. He pulled the alarm because the FBi tricked him into doing it
2. Pulling the alarm is no big deal 'because no one got hurt" (remember that one?"
3. I don't care that he pulled the alarm, I like his policies.
4. it's Republican's fault that this guy was elected, "therefore" OS is to blame for the pulled alarm. And if you don't understand that you're to blame fo the pulled alarm, you're blind, OS. Also, the National Review says it's your fault the alarm was pulled.
5. I have no power to keep this guy from pulling the alarm, so I'm just gonna eat popcorn while he pulls it again.
6. The more you try and prosecute this guy for pulling the alarm, OS? The more Dems will vote for him, and other alarm-pullers.
7. We need an immediate investigation into the Federal investigators who caught this guy pulling the alarm. They're "weaponizing the FBI".

...and that's just the short list. I could go on.

...more toddler logic babble, Waah. Look what Trump did.

Bowman took down the warning signs from the door, pulled the fire alarm handle, then ran.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/ ... ire-drill/

Two-Tiered Justice: Biden DOJ Protects Dem Congressman Jamaal Bowman over Fire Drill

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, October 26, 2023

Why isn’t Representative Jamaal Bowman being charged with felony obstruction of Congress?

On September 30, as congressional Democrats were scrambling to delay a budget vote, the progressive New York Democrat pulled a fire alarm in the Cannon House Office Building. Though he has claimed it was a mistake, there is convincing evidence that he did this willfully — he well knew it was a fire alarm, he ran to abandon the building, and he never tried to inform Capitol Police of the incident as one would naturally do if it had been an accident.

With great fanfare, it was announced on Wednesday that Bowman was being held “accountable” because he has been charged with the misdemeanor offense of pulling a fire alarm. This sort of “accountability” will come as a surprise to hundreds of people — including former president Donald Trump — whom the Biden Justice Department (and, in Trump’s case, Biden-DOJ-appointed special counsel Jack Smith) have aggressively charged with obstructing Congress in connection with the Capitol riot — the uprising that interrupted the joint January 6, 2020, session held to ratify now-president Biden’s victory in the presidential election.

Obviously, some of the rioters were violent. But many weren’t — in the main, they were loitering in a place they weren’t lawfully permitted to be, many of them doing so only after members of Congress and Vice President Pence had been evacuated. Trump, of course, was not among the rioters, much as he is rightly blamed for stoking them. Yet Smith has charged him with felony obstruction based on his effort to delay the joint session by relying on a bogus legal theory (namely, that the vice president could invalidate electoral votes, or at least remand them to the states) that was supported by factual claims of election-fraud that Trump allegedly knew were false.

To say the Biden Justice Department has scorched the earth to prosecute January 6 offenders is hardly hyperbole. Well over a thousand people have been prosecuted. The majority of these offenders were non-violent protesters who would never have been charged by the Justice Department under normal circumstances. For political reasons, Democrats were determined to make an example of them, running up the prosecution numbers in order to promote a “domestic terrorism” narrative. As we’ve detailed, defendants from all over the country were hunted down by the FBI and dragged back to Washington, often to face mere misdemeanor charges — including one defendant, from New Mexico, whom Justice Department prosecutors knew had been waved into the Capitol by police (he was acquitted).

Bowman’s conduct was willful and consequential. By the Biden Justice Department’s January 6 standards, he should be looking at a felony prosecution. But he’s a Democrat — a woke wunderkind formerly affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America. Naturally, then, he is getting the Hunter Biden treatment rather the Donald Trump treatment.

Why is he being prosecuted at all? Why, to protect him, of course.

Bowman’s crime is subject to the five-year federal statute of limitations. If Republicans were to get out of their own way and win the 2024 presidential election, a new Justice Department intent on restoring equal justice under the law — or, intent on the “retribution” that Trump has promised — could decide that Bowman should be treated like a January 6 offender and charge him with felony obstruction of Congress.

Bowman’s sweetheart misdemeanor plea deal, however, will give him double-jeopardy protection against future criminal prosecution. It is cost-free for him — other than the nominal $1,000 fine. He will not only never spend a moment in jail (the maximum sentence for the misdemeanor is six months, but he is being spared any of that); it has been agreed that if he pays the fine and apologizes to the Capitol Police, the charges against him will be withdrawn in three months.

It counts, nevertheless, as a prosecution. And even though the case is being handled locally — i.e., by the District of Columbia attorney general rather than the Biden Justice Department’s U.S. attorney — Bowman will be able to argue that it protects him from any future prosecution by the Justice Department.

The Justice Department cannot be blocked from indicting a defendant who has already been prosecuted for the same offense by the state authorities. The states and the federal government are separate sovereigns in our federalist system; ergo, under the “dual sovereignty” exception to double jeopardy, a prosecution by the state does not bar a later prosecution by the feds. The District of Columbia, however, is not a state; it is under the jurisdiction of the federal government. Even though it has a municipal division that handles local crimes, it is still under federal authority.

A future Republican Justice Department could attempt to argue that Bowman may still be prosecuted for an obstruction felony because it is not the same offense as the misdemeanor of pulling a fire alarm. (Double jeopardy only prohibits the government from twice prosecuting the exact same offense.) It would be tough sledding, though; Bowman would claim that, under the circumstances, pulling the firearm was a core part of any obstruction allegation (seeking to analogize it to a “lesser included offense” the prior prosecution of which has been held, under double-jeopardy principles, to bar prosecution for the “greater offense”).

A federal prosecution by the Biden Justice Department was never going to happen. Quite apart from the DOJ’s politicization under Biden AG Merrick Garland, it would have been embarrassing. In his defense, Bowman would have had to argue that the relevant federal-obstruction statute does not apply to conduct such as his because, though it was corrupt and did impede congressional proceedings, he did not tamper with evidence or witnesses. As the Washington Post’s Jason Willick observes (and as I’ve discussed here and here), that is exactly the argument that January 6 defendants have been making — to the strenuous objection of the Biden Justice Department and the befuddlement of the courts (the Supreme Court will probably have to resolve the issue, perhaps soon since it is central to Smith’s prosecution of Trump).

The Biden administration is already dealing with the inconvenience of Hunter Biden’s contention that the federal gun laws are unconstitutional — i.e., the laws his dad has championed, and for the violation of which Hunter has been indicted. It didn’t need a Democratic firebrand casting doubt on the legitimacy of the Capitol riot prosecutions.

That is two-tiered justice. The Democrats always take care of their own.

[a fan]

I’ve probably said it a dozen times, I’m not a trump supporter. And quoting the party because of a rogue candidate is like quitting being Christian b/c of some rogue sect….You make it sound like there no more good guys on the right. That’s be like MDLAX signing up to be a democrat, as much as he tells us he’s a republican. Nuance needs to be applied….I can call Bowman out from the clear cut video evidence and also call out that Trump is not fit for office.

We are fighting for the same thing….civility and decorum.

You and OS keep saying this...that you have no power. I'm sorry, you're wrong.

If even 100K R's left the party over Trump, and emailed why? Trump would never have shown up on the ballot. It's their biggest fear.

Staying in the party, coupled with how Trump polls with R voters tells the R party: yes, we LOVE this guy, more please.

I would 100% expect you leave Christianity immediately if it turned out the Trump was the leader of Christianity.

It's OK to pull fire alarms because of Trump = Toddler logic.

As usual, you have it backwards: I want both Trump and a fire alarm puller out of Federal government.

On the other hand? If I used the logic you'ved use to defend Trump? Here ya go:

1. He pulled the alarm because the FBi tricked him into doing it
2. Pulling the alarm is no big deal 'because no one got hurt" (remember that one?"
3. I don't care that he pulled the alarm, I like his policies.
4. it's Republican's fault that this guy was elected, "therefore" OS is to blame for the pulled alarm. And if you don't understand that you're to blame fo the pulled alarm, you're blind, OS. Also, the National Review says it's your fault the alarm was pulled.
5. I have no power to keep this guy from pulling the alarm, so I'm just gonna eat popcorn while he pulls it again.
6. The more you try and prosecute this guy for pulling the alarm, OS? The more Dems will vote for him, and other alarm-pullers.
7. We need an immediate investigation into the Federal investigators who caught this guy pulling the alarm. They're "weaponizing the FBI".

...and that's just the short list. I could go on.

...more toddler logic babble, Waah. Look what Trump did.

Nope. Not citing what Trump did, os. Pay attention.

I'm citing what YOU did. And are still doing. Please, tell us more how felonies are important when Dems commit them. We're enjoying your trolling.

[MDlaxfan76]

Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....

He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...

https://www.news10.com/news/politics/ap ... ding-bill/

But a big nothing burger, regardless.

in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.

me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.

Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.

Full video. Bowman is a liar. Never even tried to use door after pulling alarm. He should be expelled and it’s a felony.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/17176 ... a82I2GssRg

He would have been expelled just a few years ago. Pulling a fire alarm in a crowed building is horribly dangerous, and irresponsible.

But you let Trump and your fellow R's set the bar, YA. Now? This is just another day in Congress.

Where's your call for Thomas, YA? Forget about him?

You asked for this. This is what you get.

Yea, the "if jimmy jumps off a bridge are you going to follow him", model works well for 4 year olds. Happy to hear you agree your side is equally is stupid and bullet proof from the law. And just pure laughable, again, that you think it all started with Trump. Who knew Trump was so powerful, enough so, that he completely changed how the world views breaking the laws.....and in only 4 short years.

They're not my side, my man. What part of "pulling a fire alarm is horribly dangerous" did you miss?. If I was in charge, Santos, Boebert, and this fire-alarm pulling idiot would all be gone.

It all started with your party looking the other way, with Trump not once, not twice, but three freaking times. It's when you hit bottom, and you keep right on digging.

You keep saying that we don't get Trump.

What you don't want to hear is what he's done to Republican voters----and what he's done to what your fellow R voters view as right and wrong, YA. You have no bottom anymore. You just don't care. Party first, values are not even on your list anymore. If they were? There is NO WAY Trump would be anywhere close to your nominee. You'd quit the party first.

If you've done that? You have my full support, as well as my full apology. Did you leave your party? And tell them why you left?

I’ve probably said it a dozen times, I’m not a trump supporter. And quoting the party because of a rogue candidate is like quitting being Christian b/c of some rogue sect….You make it sound like there no more good guys on the right. That’s be like MDLAX signing up to be a democrat, as much as he tells us he’s a republican. Nuance needs to be applied….I can call Bowman out from the clear cut video evidence and also call out that Trump is not fit for office.

We are fighting for the same thing….civility and decorum.

I don't think 'leaving the party' is the sole way to roll,

And yet your party has nominated Trump THREE TIMES now.

What needs to happen for y'all to get the message that you are ENABLING this stuff?

Every piece of data you are handing to your party says to the Republican Party "we love this guy, please don't work on any other leader for our party".

well, interesting that you couldn't even leave the full sentence. Much less the rest.
"...but I refuse to vote for any election denier, and I won't for any Republican for federal office until the MAGA insurrectionist cult is washed out of the GOP."

Voting is what matters, my registration really matters very little.
Unfortunately, my vote as well doesn't make much difference given that I vote in a very blue state, in a blue district...I'm still willing to vote R locally if the person takes an opposition stance to MAGA but they seem really rare right now. But federally, nope. If only a signal, I'm voting D for awhile...

But mebbe I can influence some others...
I'm super clear with anyone I know, anyone I have even a shred of influence on, that this way of voting is the only answer that makes sense to me as someone who voted near GOP party line for 40 years. They're invited to join me.

[a fan]

Voting is what matters, my registration really matters very little.

You are 100% wrong. You would NEVER have gotten Trump twice, let alone three times if you and a few thousand of your R voters left the party over Trump, and told them why.

You can ALWAYS vote for R's on a ballot, regardless of party.


You don't get how much power you have as a party member.

[old salt]

It's OK to pull fire alarms because of Trump = Toddler logic.

Oh man I can taste the crocodile tears. Keep crying. A fire alarm? When the speaker of the house refused to certify the Election? JFC you POS.

No shortage of Dem turds floating in the Congressional punch bowl. You just didn't take notice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opin ... votes.html

Democrats Have Been Shameless About Your Presidential Vote Too
After the 2000, 2004 and 2016 elections, they objected to counting electoral totals.

By Derek T. Muller, Jan. 6, 2021

As Republicans in Congress prepare to formally contest the outcome of the 2020 presidential election on Wednesday, many of them have cited precedent for their effort: similar complaints lodged by Democrats in other presidential elections. After Republican victories in 2000, 2004 and 2016, for instance, Democrats in Congress used the formal counting of electoral votes as an opportunity to challenge election results.

Few objections were filed in accordance with the Electoral Count Act in the 20th century. But starting with George W. Bush’s victory in the 2000 presidential election, Democrats contested election results after every Republican win.

In January 2001, Representative Alcee Hastings of Florida objected to counting his state’s electoral votes because of “overwhelming evidence of official misconduct, deliberate fraud, and an attempt to suppress voter turnout.” Representative Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas referred to the “millions of Americans who have been disenfranchised by Florida’s inaccurate vote count.” Representative Maxine Waters of California characterized Florida’s electoral votes as “fraudulent.”

In January 2005, in the wake of Mr. Bush’s re-election, Democrats were more aggressive. Senator Barbara Boxer of California joined Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio to lodge a formal objection to Ohio’s electoral votes. The objection compelled Congress to spend two hours in debate, even though Mr. Bush won Ohio by more than 118,000 votes.

Representative Barbara Lee of California claimed that “the Democratic process was thwarted.” Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York said that the right to vote was “stolen.” Ms. Waters objected too, dedicating her objection to the documentary filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 movie “Fahrenheit 9/11” painted a dark (and at times factually debatable) picture of the Bush presidency.
The motion failed, but not before 31 members of the House, and Ms. Boxer in the Senate, voted to reject Ohio’s electoral votes — effectively voting to disenfranchise the people of Ohio in the Electoral College.

In January 2017, after Donald Trump’s victory, Democrats in Congress once again challenged the election outcome. Representative Jim McGovern of Massachusetts cited “the confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia.” Ms. Lee of California argued that Michigan’s electoral votes should be thrown out because “people are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our elections.” She also cited “the malfunction of 87 voting machines.”
There were objections against the votes in at least nine states.

Then as now, each member of Congress was within his or her rights to make an objection.

Derek T. Muller (@derektmuller) is a law professor at the University of Iowa.

[NattyBohChamps04]

It's OK to pull fire alarms because of Trump = Toddler logic.

Oh man I can taste the crocodile tears. Keep crying. A fire alarm? When the speaker of the house refused to certify the Election? JFC you POS.

No shortage of Dem turds floating in the Congressional punch bowl. You just didn't take notice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opin ... votes.html

Democrats Have Been Shameless About Your Presidential Vote Too
After the 2000, 2004 and 2016 elections, they objected to counting electoral totals.

By Derek T. Muller, Jan. 6, 2021

As Republicans in Congress prepare to formally contest the outcome of the 2020 presidential election on Wednesday, many of them have cited precedent for their effort: similar complaints lodged by Democrats in other presidential elections. After Republican victories in 2000, 2004 and 2016, for instance, Democrats in Congress used the formal counting of electoral votes as an opportunity to challenge election results.

Few objections were filed in accordance with the Electoral Count Act in the 20th century. But starting with George W. Bush’s victory in the 2000 presidential election, Democrats contested election results after every Republican win.

In January 2001, Representative Alcee Hastings of Florida objected to counting his state’s electoral votes because of “overwhelming evidence of official misconduct, deliberate fraud, and an attempt to suppress voter turnout.” Representative Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas referred to the “millions of Americans who have been disenfranchised by Florida’s inaccurate vote count.” Representative Maxine Waters of California characterized Florida’s electoral votes as “fraudulent.”

In January 2005, in the wake of Mr. Bush’s re-election, Democrats were more aggressive. Senator Barbara Boxer of California joined Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio to lodge a formal objection to Ohio’s electoral votes. The objection compelled Congress to spend two hours in debate, even though Mr. Bush won Ohio by more than 118,000 votes.

Representative Barbara Lee of California claimed that “the Democratic process was thwarted.” Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York said that the right to vote was “stolen.” Ms. Waters objected too, dedicating her objection to the documentary filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 movie “Fahrenheit 9/11” painted a dark (and at times factually debatable) picture of the Bush presidency.
The motion failed, but not before 31 members of the House, and Ms. Boxer in the Senate, voted to reject Ohio’s electoral votes — effectively voting to disenfranchise the people of Ohio in the Electoral College.

In January 2017, after Donald Trump’s victory, Democrats in Congress once again challenged the election outcome. Representative Jim McGovern of Massachusetts cited “the confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia.” Ms. Lee of California argued that Michigan’s electoral votes should be thrown out because “people are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our elections.” She also cited “the malfunction of 87 voting machines.”
There were objections against the votes in at least nine states.

Then as now, each member of Congress was within his or her rights to make an objection.

Derek T. Muller (@derektmuller) is a law professor at the University of Iowa.

So you're pissing over a few symbolic votes?

We're talking about the Speaker of the House. 3rd in line ring a bell? Did Democrats stage a rebellion in Florida to stop the voter count and give Gore the win? Nope, Republicans did for Bush. Did Democrats shut these random people down to heal the country? Yes. Yet your type spurred insurrectionists on to split the country in 2020.

I mean you got like three dudes who are actually validated because the voting public wanted someone else vs. ~150 reps who are delusional because their guy lost by millions. It's a sad take. You're playing yourself my man.

You're violating your oath to the constitution. That's the saddest truth.

[old salt]

You're violating your oath to the constitution. That's the saddest truth.

Oh really ? How so ?

[MDlaxfan76]

Voting is what matters, my registration really matters very little.

You are 100% wrong. You would NEVER have gotten Trump twice, let alone three times if you and a few thousand of your R voters left the party over Trump, and told them why.

You can ALWAYS vote for R's on a ballot, regardless of party.


You don't get how much power you have as a party member.

I have no power in selecting R candidates in primaries if I leave.
"tell them why"?? who?

You'll recall that Trump attracted millions of new members to the party...and bled millions of people like me. That's what has created MAGA domination.

[youthathletics]

Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....

He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...

https://www.news10.com/news/politics/ap ... ding-bill/

But a big nothing burger, regardless.

in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.

me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.

Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.

Full video. Bowman is a liar. Never even tried to use door after pulling alarm. He should be expelled and it’s a felony.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/17176 ... a82I2GssRg

He would have been expelled just a few years ago. Pulling a fire alarm in a crowed building is horribly dangerous, and irresponsible.

But you let Trump and your fellow R's set the bar, YA. Now? This is just another day in Congress.

Where's your call for Thomas, YA? Forget about him?

You asked for this. This is what you get.

Yea, the "if jimmy jumps off a bridge are you going to follow him", model works well for 4 year olds. Happy to hear you agree your side is equally is stupid and bullet proof from the law. And just pure laughable, again, that you think it all started with Trump. Who knew Trump was so powerful, enough so, that he completely changed how the world views breaking the laws.....and in only 4 short years.

equally?

Bowman did something quite stupid, but come on, not remotely "equal".

ahhh, you said the quite part out loud. So a felony is not felony. Bowman committed a felony crime. Waiting for you to give Trump that same leniency and grace.

[MDlaxfan76]

Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....

He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...

https://www.news10.com/news/politics/ap ... ding-bill/

But a big nothing burger, regardless.

in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.

me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.

Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.

Full video. Bowman is a liar. Never even tried to use door after pulling alarm. He should be expelled and it’s a felony.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/17176 ... a82I2GssRg

He would have been expelled just a few years ago. Pulling a fire alarm in a crowed building is horribly dangerous, and irresponsible.

But you let Trump and your fellow R's set the bar, YA. Now? This is just another day in Congress.

Where's your call for Thomas, YA? Forget about him?

You asked for this. This is what you get.

Yea, the "if jimmy jumps off a bridge are you going to follow him", model works well for 4 year olds. Happy to hear you agree your side is equally is stupid and bullet proof from the law. And just pure laughable, again, that you think it all started with Trump. Who knew Trump was so powerful, enough so, that he completely changed how the world views breaking the laws.....and in only 4 short years.

equally?

Bowman did something quite stupid, but come on, not remotely "equal".

ahhh, you said the quite part out loud. So a felony is not felony. Bowman committed a felony crime. Waiting for you to give Trump that same leniency and grace.

misdemeanor or did I miss something?

Melendez = felony.

It's a misdemeanor in DC, misdemeanor in MD, VA...Texas, Florida...everywhere.

However, if you can prove it's done to obstruct a Congressional process, it can be charged as a felony...tough to prove.
But sure, a crime either way. Stupid one, too. He plead to the misdemeanor.

[cradleandshoot]

Voting is what matters, my registration really matters very little.

You are 100% wrong. You would NEVER have gotten Trump twice, let alone three times if you and a few thousand of your R voters left the party over Trump, and told them why.

You can ALWAYS vote for R's on a ballot, regardless of party.


You don't get how much power you have as a party member.

I have no power in selecting R candidates in primaries if I leave.
"tell them why"?? who?

You'll recall that Trump attracted millions of new members to the party...and bled millions of people like me. That's what has created MAGA domination.

Obviously you know you can do more damage to the Republican party by still pretending to be one. I really wish the Republicans would pick you to be the featured speaker at the RNC. That would be a hoot. You would have a better chance of banning AR-15 weapons than forcing out those MAGA folks. You know as well as I do...they are in your party to stay. Just like the Democrats are stuck with the squad members your party is stuck with all of those undesirables you dislike so much. I wonder what Ronald Reagan would do? What went so horribly wrong in the Republican party that a dirtbag like Trump could grab a foothold on the party in the first place?

[cradleandshoot]

Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....

He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...

https://www.news10.com/news/politics/ap ... ding-bill/

But a big nothing burger, regardless.

in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.

me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.

Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.

Full video. Bowman is a liar. Never even tried to use door after pulling alarm. He should be expelled and it’s a felony.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/17176 ... a82I2GssRg

He would have been expelled just a few years ago. Pulling a fire alarm in a crowed building is horribly dangerous, and irresponsible.

But you let Trump and your fellow R's set the bar, YA. Now? This is just another day in Congress.

Where's your call for Thomas, YA? Forget about him?

You asked for this. This is what you get.

Yea, the "if jimmy jumps off a bridge are you going to follow him", model works well for 4 year olds. Happy to hear you agree your side is equally is stupid and bullet proof from the law. And just pure laughable, again, that you think it all started with Trump. Who knew Trump was so powerful, enough so, that he completely changed how the world views breaking the laws.....and in only 4 short years.

equally?

Bowman did something quite stupid, but come on, not remotely "equal".

ahhh, you said the quite part out loud. So a felony is not felony. Bowman committed a felony crime. Waiting for you to give Trump that same leniency and grace.

misdemeanor or did I miss something?

Melendez = felony.

It's a misdemeanor in DC, misdemeanor in MD, VA...Texas, Florida...everywhere.

However, if you can prove it's done to obstruct a Congressional process, it can be charged as a felony...tough to prove.
But sure, a crime either way. Stupid one, too.

If you want proof then you must demand an investigation. You really think that is a good idea?

[MDlaxfan76]

Voting is what matters, my registration really matters very little.

You are 100% wrong. You would NEVER have gotten Trump twice, let alone three times if you and a few thousand of your R voters left the party over Trump, and told them why.

You can ALWAYS vote for R's on a ballot, regardless of party.


You don't get how much power you have as a party member.

I have no power in selecting R candidates in primaries if I leave.
"tell them why"?? who?

You'll recall that Trump attracted millions of new members to the party...and bled millions of people like me. That's what has created MAGA domination.

Obviously you know you can do more damage to the Republican party by still pretending to be one. I really wish the Republicans would pick you to be the featured speaker at the RNC. That would be a hoot. You would have a better chance of banning AR-15 weapons than forcing out those MAGA folks. You know as well as I do...they are in your party to stay. Just like the Democrats are stuck with the squad members your party is stuck with all of those undesirables you dislike so much. I wonder what Ronald Reagan would do? What went so horribly wrong in the Republican party that a dirtbag like Trump could grab a foothold on the party in the first place?

Finally you get it. I can indeed do more damage to MAGA as a say-no to MAGA R.

REAGAN, HW, Quayle, Dole, Kemp, W, Cheney, McCain, Romney, Ryan...all would have been in my camp. The ones who are still alive are.

Palin sole exception as VP candidate. She was "MAGA" at the same time Trump was pushing birtherism and tapping into this strain in populist bigotry.

[youthathletics]

Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....

He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...

https://www.news10.com/news/politics/ap ... ding-bill/

But a big nothing burger, regardless.

in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.

me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.

Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.

Full video. Bowman is a liar. Never even tried to use door after pulling alarm. He should be expelled and it’s a felony.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/17176 ... a82I2GssRg

He would have been expelled just a few years ago. Pulling a fire alarm in a crowed building is horribly dangerous, and irresponsible.

But you let Trump and your fellow R's set the bar, YA. Now? This is just another day in Congress.

Where's your call for Thomas, YA? Forget about him?

You asked for this. This is what you get.

Yea, the "if jimmy jumps off a bridge are you going to follow him", model works well for 4 year olds. Happy to hear you agree your side is equally is stupid and bullet proof from the law. And just pure laughable, again, that you think it all started with Trump. Who knew Trump was so powerful, enough so, that he completely changed how the world views breaking the laws.....and in only 4 short years.

equally?

Bowman did something quite stupid, but come on, not remotely "equal".

ahhh, you said the quite part out loud. So a felony is not felony. Bowman committed a felony crime. Waiting for you to give Trump that same leniency and grace.

misdemeanor or did I miss something?

Melendez = felony.

It's a misdemeanor in DC, misdemeanor in MD, VA...Texas, Florida...everywhere.

However, if you can prove it's done to obstruct a Congressional process, it can be charged as a felony...tough to prove.
But sure, a crime either way. Stupid one, too. He plead to the misdemeanor.

It is a felony in Illinois.

That was point WRT to felony.....he was obstructing the Congressional process.

Still nice to see you give him a pass for just being stupid to disrupt Congressional Process, even seeing it live on video. You are better than this. Tough to prove? AYFKM.....what more proof do you want or need. You are now embarrassing yourself.

[MDlaxfan76]

Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....

He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...

https://www.news10.com/news/politics/ap ... ding-bill/

But a big nothing burger, regardless.

in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.

me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.

Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.

Full video. Bowman is a liar. Never even tried to use door after pulling alarm. He should be expelled and it’s a felony.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/17176 ... a82I2GssRg

He would have been expelled just a few years ago. Pulling a fire alarm in a crowed building is horribly dangerous, and irresponsible.

But you let Trump and your fellow R's set the bar, YA. Now? This is just another day in Congress.

Where's your call for Thomas, YA? Forget about him?

You asked for this. This is what you get.

Yea, the "if jimmy jumps off a bridge are you going to follow him", model works well for 4 year olds. Happy to hear you agree your side is equally is stupid and bullet proof from the law. And just pure laughable, again, that you think it all started with Trump. Who knew Trump was so powerful, enough so, that he completely changed how the world views breaking the laws.....and in only 4 short years.

equally?

Bowman did something quite stupid, but come on, not remotely "equal".

ahhh, you said the quite part out loud. So a felony is not felony. Bowman committed a felony crime. Waiting for you to give Trump that same leniency and grace.

misdemeanor or did I miss something?

Melendez = felony.

It's a misdemeanor in DC, misdemeanor in MD, VA...Texas, Florida...everywhere.

However, if you can prove it's done to obstruct a Congressional process, it can be charged as a felony...tough to prove.
But sure, a crime either way. Stupid one, too.

If you want proof then you must demand an investigation. You really think that is a good idea?

waste of time, but I think we'll see the MAGA GOP House insist on it, while ignoring Santos.

Bowman plead to the misdemeanor.

[MDlaxfan76]

Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....

He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...

https://www.news10.com/news/politics/ap ... ding-bill/

But a big nothing burger, regardless.

in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.

me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.

Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.

Full video. Bowman is a liar. Never even tried to use door after pulling alarm. He should be expelled and it’s a felony.

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/17176 ... a82I2GssRg

He would have been expelled just a few years ago. Pulling a fire alarm in a crowed building is horribly dangerous, and irresponsible.

But you let Trump and your fellow R's set the bar, YA. Now? This is just another day in Congress.

Where's your call for Thomas, YA? Forget about him?

You asked for this. This is what you get.

Yea, the "if jimmy jumps off a bridge are you going to follow him", model works well for 4 year olds. Happy to hear you agree your side is equally is stupid and bullet proof from the law. And just pure laughable, again, that you think it all started with Trump. Who knew Trump was so powerful, enough so, that he completely changed how the world views breaking the laws.....and in only 4 short years.

equally?

Bowman did something quite stupid, but come on, not remotely "equal".

ahhh, you said the quite part out loud. So a felony is not felony. Bowman committed a felony crime. Waiting for you to give Trump that same leniency and grace.

misdemeanor or did I miss something?

Melendez = felony.

It's a misdemeanor in DC, misdemeanor in MD, VA...Texas, Florida...everywhere.

However, if you can prove it's done to obstruct a Congressional process, it can be charged as a felony...tough to prove.
But sure, a crime either way. Stupid one, too. He plead to the misdemeanor.

It is a felony in Illinois.

That was point WRT to felony.....he was obstructing the Congressional process.

Still nice to see you give him a pass for just being stupid to disrupt Congressional Process, even seeing it live on video. You are better than this. Tough to prove? AYFKM.....what more proof do you want or need. You are now embarrassing yourself.

No, unless he told someone otherwise, all we know is that he pulled it.
We can reasonably surmise his intent, but proving in court is much harder.

I'm fine with holding him accountable; he's plead to a misdemeanor. Fine with me if he resigns or is pushed out of Congress.

But his crime doesn't remotely rise to Santos' crimes...agree or disagree?

Doesn't remotely rise to Trump's crimes, whether personal (sexual assault), business (fraud), or governmental...too numerous...agree or disagree?

Melendez should plea, hasn't. Definitely should leave Congress, which most of his peer Dems are pushing.

[a fan]

Voting is what matters, my registration really matters very little.

You are 100% wrong. You would NEVER have gotten Trump twice, let alone three times if you and a few thousand of your R voters left the party over Trump, and told them why.

You can ALWAYS vote for R's on a ballot, regardless of party.


You don't get how much power you have as a party member.

I have no power in selecting R candidates in primaries if I leave.
"tell them why"?? who?

RNC, my man.

If hundreds of thousands left the party? NO WAY would they put Trump on the ballot.

What you did instead was tell them----"this is fine, let him lead us".

Remember, the RNC is more than just the Presidential election. They have larger concerns. And if droves leave the party.....so does money and prospects of winning elections at all levels of government.

[MDlaxfan76]

Voting is what matters, my registration really matters very little.

You are 100% wrong. You would NEVER have gotten Trump twice, let alone three times if you and a few thousand of your R voters left the party over Trump, and told them why.

You can ALWAYS vote for R's on a ballot, regardless of party.


You don't get how much power you have as a party member.

I have no power in selecting R candidates in primaries if I leave.
"tell them why"?? who?

RNC, my man.

If hundreds of thousands left the party? NO WAY would they put Trump on the ballot.

What you did instead was tell them----"this is fine, let him lead us".

Remember, the RNC is more than just the Presidential election. They have larger concerns. And if droves leave the party.....so does money and prospects of winning elections at all levels of government.

You think the RNC cares about "hundreds of thousands"?
They picked up millions of voters who rarely voted before at the polls.

But the Dems out register them by a wide margin now...hasn't stopped the RNC from being full-on MAGA.

Trust me, if I thought my (and hundreds of thousands like me) changing my registration would impact the RNC positively my direction, sanity, I would. Many folks like me have gone Ind, which I quite understand. That was my wife's call. No argument from me. But it has only increased the percentage of MAGA of the whole.

I prefer being able to tell people I'm an R, a lifelong R, before telling them what I think of the MAGA cult that's currently occupying the party. I see people visibly let down their guard and fists when I begin, enabling them to hear me a bit better when I make clear where my votes are going to go until MAGA is thoroughly defeated and we can return to a big tent, conservative-leaning GOP.