The Independent State Legislature Doctrine

[runrussellrun]

bandito youve got a decent point with the ellison story- but your delivery made it such that everyone ignored/discounted it.

Yup, Frito is casting stones. Obviously he and his ilk are without sin in his own eyes, but no need to reply directly.

That being said let's investigate, I'm all for it. Even Democrats are suggesting it should be investigated, countering Frito's comments.

You've had Democrats and Republicans step down after accusations, especially during the height of the MeToo movement (and some who haven't, like Roy Moore). It would be interesting to see who has been accused vs who has stepped down and break it down via party line, number of accusations and more to see if there is any correlation.

There is also the slim fraction of accusations that are false, further hurting actual victims and the accused alike. Just as with the Kavanaugh case, we should try to get as much information as possible before bringing out the pitchforks.

I suspect we'd find no difference in the rate of various forms of abuse by powerful men whether D's or R's.

Where I do think there is a difference is in the reaction of fellow party members to the allegations. R's have been far more likely to have been full-throated deniers on behalf of the accused when one of their own, while D's have been far more likely to have called for their fellow party members to resign, etc.

I don't know whether this has been because R's are actually more likely to include large numbers of misogynists (maybe) or because the R's have this fundamental problem of Trump and his problems in this regard. If Trump was (still) a D would they have the same posture? I'm thinking Trump is the bigger issue, but I could be mistaken.

Do you have any evidence to back this claim up? TAMATS

[runrussellrun]

Speculation has it this set of events means that Ford is going to file charges, in Maryland and is waiting until later in the week, probably Thursday.

I was wondering if the Ford team was going to play this card. There's no MD statute of limitations on serious sex assault charges. So filing a complaint with MD authorities could trigger an official investigation. Given the elapsed time, odds would be against a prosecution ever happening. But a perfect smackdown of Grassley's stonewalling an FBI investigation.

Grassley is completely lost. He keeps giving ultimatums to Ford on the assumption that he's got leverage just because he is an old fart Senator. You'd think that eventually he'd figure out that Ford owns him in this situation, but he can't stop digging the hole deeper. I guess he missed the memo about #metoo.

Why she didn't do this in 2012 (file with the Monkey Police) in not question worthy? The deplorables and their majority independent friends aren't this stupid. Do the Dems' really think this will help them with the midterms?

[Bandito]

bandito youve got a decent point with the ellison story- but your delivery made it such that everyone ignored/discounted it.

Yup, Frito is casting stones. Obviously he and his ilk are without sin in his own eyes, but no need to reply directly.

That being said let's investigate, I'm all for it. Even Democrats are suggesting it should be investigated, countering Frito's comments.

You've had Democrats and Republicans step down after accusations, especially during the height of the MeToo movement (and some who haven't, like Roy Moore). It would be interesting to see who has been accused vs who has stepped down and break it down via party line, number of accusations and more to see if there is any correlation.

There is also the slim fraction of accusations that are false, further hurting actual victims and the accused alike. Just as with the Kavanaugh case, we should try to get as much information as possible before bringing out the pitchforks.

There is concrete evidence against Ellison. Video proof, 911 calls etc and the media is DEAD SILENT. There is no proof at all against Kav. Yet the media is going bonkers over it. No witnesses corroborate Ford's story at all. It is straight out of the Democrat Playbook to delay the hearings because they fear for their own existence as a party. Let alone these allegations come from when he was in HS. Again, this is a complete and utter character assassination by the left and the media and we have seen this time and again. The timing tells anyone this and now the porn lawyer is getting involved. How ironic. A man who promotes the porn industry which is essentially sex slavery in some instances is claiming to stand up for women!

Democrats say every woman has a right to be believed:
Unless you are raped by Bill Clinton
Groped by Cory Booker
Beat up by Keith Ellison
Creeped on and felt up by Joe Biden
or
Killed by Ted Kennedy

[runrussellrun]

And the serious allegations aside, Kavanaugh’s hs yearbook is a perfect example of how immature many of the kids coming out of single sex high schools can be. If you want your kid to be socially stunted and not know how to treat others and act around the other sex when they get to college, by all means, send them to an all boys or all girls prep school.

Right, b/c co-ed schools do such a better job at the graces of socializing with the opposite sex. You leave it to a bunch of "teachers" on how to raise your kids, look in the mirror for the cause of any immaturity. If this were the case, NO ONE would recruit MIAA (Maryland) players from the single sex schools, or publics like Towson, Severna Park, Hereford, Kent, etc. Plenty of sexual assault and "interesting" activities going on at coed privates. Most are very good at hiding it. ISL (New England) is all coed, and whew-boy, the stories and lack of maturity.

Now, where's my rap music with those women supporting lyrics. Hey, barack, you still have my JayZ playlist?

[runrussellrun]

But seriously, A new standard has been set. Whoever becomes the next scotus nominee/(insert public office here) is now subject to a complete media colonoscopy and even subject to guesses about inside jokes made 35 years ago. I’m much younger than Kavanaugh and I’m not sure I can recall much of those h/s jokes. Even the good ones.

A serious question- How far back do we now get to go to determine what behaviors are disqualifying for our public officials?

It's not a new standard, people have been judged by accusations from decades prior for the entire history of our country. We just have photo and video and text proof now. Some of those pols were rejected, some were voted in. Some people faced more recent accusations and were voted into office. Like you mentioned, Trump is on tape talking about his own sexual assaults much fresher than Kavanaugh's alleged assaults. Trump also has assaults stemming from a decade earlier than Kavanaugh. Despite this long timeline of potentially illegal and morally corrupt behavior, he was elected president with a minority of the vote.

Then you have Roy Moore, who faced multiple allegations from decades ago, long before Kavanaugh on through the mid 1990's, a decade after Kavanaugh's accusations. He lost the popular vote like Trump, but lost the actual seat along with it.

The question isn't a standard of how far back you go, it's more of what you posited - what will you put up with for your side to win? One side, the Republicans, have put up with sickening things, things that I'd have words with any father who would excuse. The other side, the Democrats, certainly have issues with their ranks. But it mostly seems to come to light after elections, and they don't seem to vote in the same corrupt behavior.

We won't know if the Democrats will put up with the same b.s. unless they nominate someone as despicable as Trump. On the other hand they haven't come close to nominating someone as despicable as Trump.

So, we have video of tRump actually going up to a woman at a party and "grabbing her pu$$ee ? Charges against him for sexual assault? Interesting. Any links or proof of it happening, besides "timely" accusations? Can't stand the guy (tRump), friends with scumbags like Tiger Woods (he's found redemption ) But the pretends aren't focusing on what matters. (money)
We had a President that admitted to doing a schedule I and II drugs. Illegal activity. Still is.

[Typical Lax Dad]

But seriously, A new standard has been set. Whoever becomes the next scotus nominee/(insert public office here) is now subject to a complete media colonoscopy and even subject to guesses about inside jokes made 35 years ago. I’m much younger than Kavanaugh and I’m not sure I can recall much of those h/s jokes. Even the good ones.

A serious question- How far back do we now get to go to determine what behaviors are disqualifying for our public officials?

It's not a new standard, people have been judged by accusations from decades prior for the entire history of our country. We just have photo and video and text proof now. Some of those pols were rejected, some were voted in. Some people faced more recent accusations and were voted into office. Like you mentioned, Trump is on tape talking about his own sexual assaults much fresher than Kavanaugh's alleged assaults. Trump also has assaults stemming from a decade earlier than Kavanaugh. Despite this long timeline of potentially illegal and morally corrupt behavior, he was elected president with a minority of the vote.

Then you have Roy Moore, who faced multiple allegations from decades ago, long before Kavanaugh on through the mid 1990's, a decade after Kavanaugh's accusations. He lost the popular vote like Trump, but lost the actual seat along with it.

The question isn't a standard of how far back you go, it's more of what you posited - what will you put up with for your side to win? One side, the Republicans, have put up with sickening things, things that I'd have words with any father who would excuse. The other side, the Democrats, certainly have issues with their ranks. But it mostly seems to come to light after elections, and they don't seem to vote in the same corrupt behavior.

We won't know if the Democrats will put up with the same b.s. unless they nominate someone as despicable as Trump. On the other hand they haven't come close to nominating someone as despicable as Trump.

So, we have video of tRump actually going up to a woman at a party and "grabbing her pu$$ee ? Charges against him for sexual assault? Interesting. Any links or proof of it happening, besides "timely" accusations? Can't stand the guy (tRump), friends with scumbags like Tiger Woods (he's found redemption ) But the pretends aren't focusing on what matters. (money)
We had a President that admitted to doing a schedule I and II drugs. Illegal activity. Still is.

Lying often gets you in more trouble than telling the truth!

[runrussellrun]

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those erasers never worked.

[Typical Lax Dad]

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those erasers never worked.

Too lazy!

[dislaxxic]

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those erasers never worked.

Sorta like Frito's rants.

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[a fan]

Oh, Bandito, you're letting Trump down.

Why are you talking about the evil Democrats, when you can instead spread the truth that is Government Leader Trump?

What truth does Trump bring us today, Bandito? And have you sold your belongings to give the proceeds to Trump yet?

Can't wait to hear what Leader Trump tells us today.

[runrussellrun]

Oh A Fan, why don't the pretends care about Kav's viewpoints on PAC's and related cases like Citizens United ?

chinese collusion?

[Bandito]

Oh, Bandito, you're letting Trump down.

Why are you talking about the evil Democrats, when you can instead spread the truth that is Government Leader Trump?

What truth does Trump bring us today, Bandito? And have you sold your belongings to give the proceeds to Trump yet?

Can't wait to hear what Leader Trump tells us today.

You suffer greatly from "Trump Derangement Syndrome".

Seek help immediately. You are a pedophile and racist and these accusations need to be looked into by the FBI as soon as possible. I heard you like it up the ass from Joe Biden?

[jhu72]

Speculation has it this set of events means that Ford is going to file charges, in Maryland and is waiting until later in the week, probably Thursday.

I was wondering if the Ford team was going to play this card. There's no MD statute of limitations on serious sex assault charges. So filing a complaint with MD authorities could trigger an official investigation. Given the elapsed time, odds would be against a prosecution ever happening. But a perfect smackdown of Grassley's stonewalling an FBI investigation.

Grassley is completely lost. He keeps giving ultimatums to Ford on the assumption that he's got leverage just because he is an old fart Senator. You'd think that eventually he'd figure out that Ford owns him in this situation, but he can't stop digging the hole deeper. I guess he missed the memo about #metoo.

The confused Montgomery County Police story might also be an indication that Avenatti and client are intending to file charges rather than Dr. Ford. He is more aggressive than a lot of attorneys, fits his MO. We will see.

[a fan]

Awww. No Truths from Trump today, Bandito? How will you know what to do today, comrade? My advice is to stay home lock your doors, and await instructions from our Government Leader.

[frmanfan]

My colleague Elizabeth Loftus was able to “implant” false memories in a significant subset of laboratory subjects by showing them an official-looking poster of Disney characters, including Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. Many subjects later remembered meeting Bugs Bunny on a childhood trip to Disneyland. Some of them even reported that Bugs had touched them inappropriately.

That was impossible. Bugs Bunny isn’t a Disney character.

Pundits have drawn a line between Judge Kavanaugh and his accusers, and insisted Americans take sides. But there is a third way: Remain agnostic until you know whether the accusations are backed by independent corroborating evidence. Without corroboration the public—and members of congressional committees—can’t know whether a memory is authentic or is a product of some other process.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-stumble- ... 1537830831

[jhu72]

Seems to be a lot of noise coming from the shallow end of the gene pool this morning. Bandito is back and a fatty personality makes an appearance.

[tech37]

In this case "the wife" is rather accurate. What, he isn't capable of appearing truthful without his doting and devoted spouse nodding along side? (Where have we seen that before? And the wife says, "not my husband" and then yeah,he is?)

Ever consider that "the wife" wanted to be there?

[jhu72]

In this case "the wife" is rather accurate. What, he isn't capable of appearing truthful without his doting and devoted spouse nodding along side? (Where have we seen that before? And the wife says, "not my husband" and then yeah,he is?)

Ever consider that "the wife" wanted to be there?

Personally I have no problem with it, but then again I had no problem with Hillary being at Bill's side as some people did.

[jhu72]

My colleague Elizabeth Loftus was able to “implant” false memories in a significant subset of laboratory subjects by showing them an official-looking poster of Disney characters, including Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. Many subjects later remembered meeting Bugs Bunny on a childhood trip to Disneyland. Some of them even reported that Bugs had touched them inappropriately.

That was impossible. Bugs Bunny isn’t a Disney character.

Pundits have drawn a line between Judge Kavanaugh and his accusers, and insisted Americans take sides. But there is a third way: Remain agnostic until you know whether the accusations are backed by independent corroborating evidence. Without corroboration the public—and members of congressional committees—can’t know whether a memory is authentic or is a product of some other process.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-stumble- ... 1537830831

I would submit that independent corroborating evidence is not likely to be found without investigation by an independent organization. The Rs don't seem to be interested in the one obvious independent organization that could do the job.

[holmes435]

Seems to be a lot of noise coming from the shallow end of the gene pool this morning. Bandito is back and a fatty personality makes an appearance.

Reminds me of...