Israel and West Bank Settlements

[Brooklyn]

Voting? Israel can solve the problem quite easily by giving full citizenship to Palestinians from Gaza and West Bank. They had over 60 years to make the peace by doing so but refuse to do so. Since so many Americans are happy with an open border here in the USA, they should have no such objection to that country doing it as well.

[jhu72]

... so kill hamas all you want. Doesn't mean Palestinians as collateral damage is acceptable.

of course, would that it were so easy, right.

150,000 Hamas operatives living within and ruling by force over 2.2 million.

... didn't say it is easy. So many in the US (mostly republiCONs and conservative christians) think because the clean kill is not easy, it is ok to go ahead and kill Palestinians and you will be forgiven by using the magic words -- "collateral damage". There are plenty of Jews in Israel that also think collateral damage is ok. Don't think it is a majority but the number has grown over the last 15 years.

[jhu72]

... so kill hamas all you want. Doesn't mean Palestinians as collateral damage is acceptable.

of course, would that it were so easy, right.

150,000 Hamas operatives living within and ruling by force over 2.2 million.

Correct me If I'm wrong but didn't the Palestinians vote for Hamas to lead them? You thought voting Republican was problematic. It sounds like to me you get the leadership you vote for. It could be at this point in time that Palestinians are having buyers remorse.

The elections you reference were in 2006. There has not been a new election since then because HAMAS doesn't want one.
Draw your own conclusions.

I already drew my conclusion. The Palestinian people voted for Hamas. That can only mean the Palestinian people were buying what Hamas was selling. What you are telling me is Hamas are a bunch of tyrants running a terrorist operation against Israel. They won't even respect the Palestinian peoples right to vote. What a way to run a railroad.

... bullsh*t!

[NattyBohChamps04]

Voting? Israel can solve the problem quite easily by giving full citizenship to Palestinians from Gaza and West Bank. They had over 60 years to make the peace by doing so but refuse to do so. Since so many Americans are happy with an open border here in the USA, they should have no such objection to that country doing it as well.

Israel has its issues and are no angels, but why don't the surrounding Islamic countries give full citizenship to Palestinians who want to move? Why are they so against Palestinians immigrating to their countries?

[Brooklyn]

Voting? Israel can solve the problem quite easily by giving full citizenship to Palestinians from Gaza and West Bank. They had over 60 years to make the peace by doing so but refuse to do so. Since so many Americans are happy with an open border here in the USA, they should have no such objection to that country doing it as well.

Israel has its issues and are no angels, but why don't the surrounding Islamic countries give full citizenship to Palestinians who want to move? Why are they so against Palestinians immigrating to their countries?

I cannot answer for them but tribal rivalries may be a factor in why some may not want to move to them. Besides, Palestine is their homeland so why should they want to move anywhere else?

[MDlaxfan76]

... so kill hamas all you want. Doesn't mean Palestinians as collateral damage is acceptable.

of course, would that it were so easy, right.

150,000 Hamas operatives living within and ruling by force over 2.2 million.

Correct me If I'm wrong but didn't the Palestinians vote for Hamas to lead them? You thought voting Republican was problematic. It sounds like to me you get the leadership you vote for. It could be at this point in time that Palestinians are having buyers remorse.

The elections you reference were in 2006. There has not been a new election since then because HAMAS doesn't want one.
Draw your own conclusions.

I already drew my conclusion. The Palestinian people voted for Hamas. That can only mean the Palestinian people were buying what Hamas was selling. What you are telling me is Hamas are a bunch of tyrants running a terrorist operation against Israel. They won't even respect the Palestinian peoples right to vote. What a way to run a railroad.

once, 17 years ago; have ruled by force ever since. No democracy.

Note, that's authoritarianism typically happens...one vote win by the authoritarians and done.

[old salt]

Some takeaways from today's shoot-down of multiple Iranian supplied cruise missiles & drones, fired from W Yemen by Houthi rebels, by the USS Carney operating in the Red Sea.

https://news.usni.org/2023/10/19/u-s-de ... s-pentagon

-- the 2 largest ships of the Baatan amphib group(ARG) had been operating in the Persian Gulf. They departed the Gulf & were last reported in the Red Sea. It was surprising that they had no escorts to protect them from air attack.
-- there is speculation that they will either transit Suez & join the Ford strike group currently in the E Med near Israel, or they might pull into the S Israel port of Eliat (accessible from the Red Sea) & offload the 26th MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit) there.
-- the Carney is one of our oldest destroyers. She is one of our 4 destroyers homeported in Rota, Spain for Euro ballistic missile defense. She was not reported as part of the Ford strike group. She just transited Suez into the Red Sea on Wed, just in time to be in range to bring down those targets over the Red Sea, while the Baatan ARG was in transit, within range.
-- given the range of the Houthi weapons vs the distance from the launch point in W Yemen to potential targets in Israel, it's not unreasonable speculation to wonder if the unescorted Baatan ARG was their target.
-- it only required SM-2 missiles to bring down these targets. The SM-2 is the least capable standard missile we deploy. All our destroyers & cruisers all carry the SM-3 &/or SM-6 longer range missiles capable of ballistic missile defense.
-- when the Ike joins the Ford we'll have 8 destroyers & cruisers in the E Med + however many of our other 4 Rota based destroyers join the Carney.
-- The command ship USS Mount Whitney just departed homeport of Gaeta, Italy, with the Commander 6th Fleet & battle staff embarked, to join the growing strike group in the E Med. I think the last time this happened was in 2011 for Libyan operations.
-- this is the largest naval force in the Med in my recent memory.
-- Israel could be targeted by Iran & proxies along multiple axes, from N to S.

[MDlaxfan76]

Some takeaways from today's shoot-down of multiple Iranian supplied cruise missiles & drones, fired from W Yemen by Houthi rebels, by the USS Carney operating in the Red Sea.

https://news.usni.org/2023/10/19/u-s-de ... s-pentagon

-- the 2 largest ships of the Baatan amphib group(ARG) had been operating in the Persian Gulf. They departed the Gulf & were last reported in the Red Sea. It was surprising that they had no escorts to protect them from air attack.
-- there is speculation that they will either transit Suez & join the Ford strike group currently in the E Med near Israel, or they might pull into the S Israel port of Eliat (accessible from the Red Sea) & offload the 26th MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit) there.
-- the Carney is one of our oldest destroyers. She is one of our 4 destroyers homeported in Rota, Spain for Euro ballistic missile defense. She was not reported as part of the Ford strike group. She just transited Suez into the Red Sea on Wed, just in time to be in range to bring down those targets over the Red Sea, while the Baatan ARG was in transit, within range.
-- given the range of the Houthi weapons vs the distance from the launch point in W Yemen to potential targets in Israel, it's not unreasonable speculation to wonder if the unescorted Baatan ARG was their target.
-- it only required SM-2 missiles to bring down these targets. The SM-2 is the least capable standard missile we deploy. All our destroyers & cruisers all carry the SM-3 &/or SM-6 longer range missiles capable of ballistic missile defense.
-- when the Ike joins the Ford we'll have 8 destroyers & cruisers in the E Med + however many of our other 4 Rota based destroyers join the Carney.
-- The USS Mount Whitney just departed homeport of Gaeta, Italy, with the Commander 6th Fleet & battle staff embarked, to join the growing strike group in the E Med. I think the last time this happened was in 2011 for Libyan operations.
-- this is the largest naval force in the Med in my recent memory.
-- Israel could be targeted by Iran & proxies along multiple axes, from N to S.

Thanks for the summary. Appreciated.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Voting? Israel can solve the problem quite easily by giving full citizenship to Palestinians from Gaza and West Bank. They had over 60 years to make the peace by doing so but refuse to do so. Since so many Americans are happy with an open border here in the USA, they should have no such objection to that country doing it as well.

Israel has its issues and are no angels, but why don't the surrounding Islamic countries give full citizenship to Palestinians who want to move? Why are they so against Palestinians immigrating to their countries?

I cannot answer for them but tribal rivalries may be a factor in why some may not want to move to them. Besides, Palestine is their homeland so why should they want to move anywhere else?

Weird, thought Muslims were peaceful towards one another and lived in harmony.

I would imagine many Palestinians would want to move away from their homeland if they're in constant threat of death from an occupying force. You have tons of immigrants moving from Islamic (and non-Islamic but impoverished) countries to Europe. Tons of migrants moving from South America to the U.S. Most people want to live in peace and with like-minded people. Moving away from someone's homeland has happened since humanity started, and it's something that makes the US great. It's a melting pot.

Just thought it was interesting that no other Arab or Muslim country wants Palestinians. You make it seem like they would love to take them all in with your statements.

[PizzaSnake]

Some takeaways from today's shoot-down of multiple Iranian supplied cruise missiles & drones, fired from W Yemen by Houthi rebels, by the USS Carney operating in the Red Sea.

https://news.usni.org/2023/10/19/u-s-de ... s-pentagon

-- the 2 largest ships of the Baatan amphib group(ARG) had been operating in the Persian Gulf. They departed the Gulf & were last reported in the Red Sea. It was surprising that they had no escorts to protect them from air attack.
-- there is speculation that they will either transit Suez & join the Ford strike group currently in the E Med near Israel, or they might pull into the S Israel port of Eliat (accessible from the Red Sea) & offload the 26th MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit) there.
-- the Carney is one of our oldest destroyers. She is one of our 4 destroyers homeported in Rota, Spain for Euro ballistic missile defense. She was not reported as part of the Ford strike group. She just transited Suez into the Red Sea on Wed, just in time to be in range to bring down those targets over the Red Sea, while the Baatan ARG was in transit, within range.
-- given the range of the Houthi weapons vs the distance from the launch point in W Yemen to potential targets in Israel, it's not unreasonable speculation to wonder if the unescorted Baatan ARG was their target.
-- it only required SM-2 missiles to bring down these targets. The SM-2 is the least capable standard missile we deploy. All our destroyers & cruisers all carry the SM-3 &/or SM-6 longer range missiles capable of ballistic missile defense.
-- when the Ike joins the Ford we'll have 8 destroyers & cruisers in the E Med + however many of our other 4 Rota based destroyers join the Carney.
-- The command ship USS Mount Whitney just departed homeport of Gaeta, Italy, with the Commander 6th Fleet & battle staff embarked, to join the growing strike group in the E Med. I think the last time this happened was in 2011 for Libyan operations.
-- this is the largest naval force in the Med in my recent memory.
-- Israel could be targeted by Iran & proxies along multiple axes, from N to S.

This is a ridiculous risk, having this much tonnage in one area. This could be a giant fustercluck. And then what?

[Brooklyn]

Weird, thought Muslims were peaceful towards one another and lived in harmony.

I would imagine many Palestinians would want to move away from their homeland if they're in constant threat of death from an occupying force. You have tons of immigrants moving from Islamic (and non-Islamic but impoverished) countries to Europe. Tons of migrants moving from South America to the U.S. Most people want to live in peace and with like-minded people. Moving away from someone's homeland has happened since humanity started, and it's something that makes the US great. It's a melting pot.

Just thought it was interesting that no other Arab or Muslim country wants Palestinians. You make it seem like they would love to take them all in with your statements.

Surprise! A quick Google review shows that 6 million have moved out and have gone to other Arab lands. Thus, no need for anymore to leave. Apply the one state solution and all will be peaceful.

[old salt]

Some takeaways from today's shoot-down of multiple Iranian supplied cruise missiles & drones, fired from W Yemen by Houthi rebels, by the USS Carney operating in the Red Sea.

https://news.usni.org/2023/10/19/u-s-de ... s-pentagon

-- the 2 largest ships of the Baatan amphib group(ARG) had been operating in the Persian Gulf. They departed the Gulf & were last reported in the Red Sea. It was surprising that they had no escorts to protect them from air attack.
-- there is speculation that they will either transit Suez & join the Ford strike group currently in the E Med near Israel, or they might pull into the S Israel port of Eliat (accessible from the Red Sea) & offload the 26th MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit) there.
-- the Carney is one of our oldest destroyers. She is one of our 4 destroyers homeported in Rota, Spain for Euro ballistic missile defense. She was not reported as part of the Ford strike group. She just transited Suez into the Red Sea on Wed, just in time to be in range to bring down those targets over the Red Sea, while the Baatan ARG was in transit, within range.
-- given the range of the Houthi weapons vs the distance from the launch point in W Yemen to potential targets in Israel, it's not unreasonable speculation to wonder if the unescorted Baatan ARG was their target.
-- it only required SM-2 missiles to bring down these targets. The SM-2 is the least capable standard missile we deploy. All our destroyers & cruisers all carry the SM-3 &/or SM-6 longer range missiles capable of ballistic missile defense.
-- when the Ike joins the Ford we'll have 8 destroyers & cruisers in the E Med + however many of our other 4 Rota based destroyers join the Carney.
-- The command ship USS Mount Whitney just departed homeport of Gaeta, Italy, with the Commander 6th Fleet & battle staff embarked, to join the growing strike group in the E Med. I think the last time this happened was in 2011 for Libyan operations.
-- this is the largest naval force in the Med in my recent memory.
-- Israel could be targeted by Iran & proxies along multiple axes, from N to S.

This is a ridiculous risk, having this much tonnage in one area. This could be a giant fustercluck. And then what?

What is the threat ?

[PizzaSnake]

Some takeaways from today's shoot-down of multiple Iranian supplied cruise missiles & drones, fired from W Yemen by Houthi rebels, by the USS Carney operating in the Red Sea.

https://news.usni.org/2023/10/19/u-s-de ... s-pentagon

-- the 2 largest ships of the Baatan amphib group(ARG) had been operating in the Persian Gulf. They departed the Gulf & were last reported in the Red Sea. It was surprising that they had no escorts to protect them from air attack.
-- there is speculation that they will either transit Suez & join the Ford strike group currently in the E Med near Israel, or they might pull into the S Israel port of Eliat (accessible from the Red Sea) & offload the 26th MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit) there.
-- the Carney is one of our oldest destroyers. She is one of our 4 destroyers homeported in Rota, Spain for Euro ballistic missile defense. She was not reported as part of the Ford strike group. She just transited Suez into the Red Sea on Wed, just in time to be in range to bring down those targets over the Red Sea, while the Baatan ARG was in transit, within range.
-- given the range of the Houthi weapons vs the distance from the launch point in W Yemen to potential targets in Israel, it's not unreasonable speculation to wonder if the unescorted Baatan ARG was their target.
-- it only required SM-2 missiles to bring down these targets. The SM-2 is the least capable standard missile we deploy. All our destroyers & cruisers all carry the SM-3 &/or SM-6 longer range missiles capable of ballistic missile defense.
-- when the Ike joins the Ford we'll have 8 destroyers & cruisers in the E Med + however many of our other 4 Rota based destroyers join the Carney.
-- The command ship USS Mount Whitney just departed homeport of Gaeta, Italy, with the Commander 6th Fleet & battle staff embarked, to join the growing strike group in the E Med. I think the last time this happened was in 2011 for Libyan operations.
-- this is the largest naval force in the Med in my recent memory.
-- Israel could be targeted by Iran & proxies along multiple axes, from N to S.

This is a ridiculous risk, having this much tonnage in one area. This could be a giant fustercluck. And then what?

What is the threat ?

You know why you don't fight old men?

If you win, you look like an aszhole. If you lose...

[Matnum PI]

Weird, thought Muslims were peaceful towards one another and lived in harmony.

Holy crow no. Definitely no.

I would imagine many Palestinians would want to move away from their homeland if they're in constant threat of death from an occupying force. You have tons of immigrants moving from Islamic (and non-Islamic but impoverished) countries to Europe. Tons of migrants moving from South America to the U.S. Most people want to live in peace and with like-minded people. Moving away from someone's homeland has happened since humanity started, and it's something that makes the US great. It's a melting pot.

2.1 million went to Jordan and Jordan has, over time, offered many citizenship. Lebanon and Syria have also provided refugee camps for them.

Just thought it was interesting that no other Arab or Muslim country wants Palestinians. You make it seem like they would love to take them all in with your statements.

Besides Jordan, none have offered them anything beyond a temporary home, refugee camps. And this is not a coincidence.

[a fan]

Some takeaways from today's shoot-down of multiple Iranian supplied cruise missiles & drones, fired from W Yemen by Houthi rebels, by the USS Carney operating in the Red Sea.

https://news.usni.org/2023/10/19/u-s-de ... s-pentagon

-- the 2 largest ships of the Baatan amphib group(ARG) had been operating in the Persian Gulf. They departed the Gulf & were last reported in the Red Sea. It was surprising that they had no escorts to protect them from air attack.
-- there is speculation that they will either transit Suez & join the Ford strike group currently in the E Med near Israel, or they might pull into the S Israel port of Eliat (accessible from the Red Sea) & offload the 26th MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit) there.
-- the Carney is one of our oldest destroyers. She is one of our 4 destroyers homeported in Rota, Spain for Euro ballistic missile defense. She was not reported as part of the Ford strike group. She just transited Suez into the Red Sea on Wed, just in time to be in range to bring down those targets over the Red Sea, while the Baatan ARG was in transit, within range.
-- given the range of the Houthi weapons vs the distance from the launch point in W Yemen to potential targets in Israel, it's not unreasonable speculation to wonder if the unescorted Baatan ARG was their target.
-- it only required SM-2 missiles to bring down these targets. The SM-2 is the least capable standard missile we deploy. All our destroyers & cruisers all carry the SM-3 &/or SM-6 longer range missiles capable of ballistic missile defense.
-- when the Ike joins the Ford we'll have 8 destroyers & cruisers in the E Med + however many of our other 4 Rota based destroyers join the Carney.
-- The command ship USS Mount Whitney just departed homeport of Gaeta, Italy, with the Commander 6th Fleet & battle staff embarked, to join the growing strike group in the E Med. I think the last time this happened was in 2011 for Libyan operations.
-- this is the largest naval force in the Med in my recent memory.
-- Israel could be targeted by Iran & proxies along multiple axes, from N to S.

This is a ridiculous risk, having this much tonnage in one area. This could be a giant fustercluck. And then what?

What is the threat ?

Off the top of my head?

-escalation, US enters conflict
-target for baddies to hit
-when you have a big hammer in the region, everything looks like a nail

[NattyBohChamps04]

Weird, thought Muslims were peaceful towards one another and lived in harmony.

I would imagine many Palestinians would want to move away from their homeland if they're in constant threat of death from an occupying force. You have tons of immigrants moving from Islamic (and non-Islamic but impoverished) countries to Europe. Tons of migrants moving from South America to the U.S. Most people want to live in peace and with like-minded people. Moving away from someone's homeland has happened since humanity started, and it's something that makes the US great. It's a melting pot.

Just thought it was interesting that no other Arab or Muslim country wants Palestinians. You make it seem like they would love to take them all in with your statements.

Surprise! A quick Google review shows that 6 million have moved out and have gone to other Arab lands. Thus, no need for anymore to leave. Apply the one state solution and all will be peaceful.

They're doing well?

[old salt]

Some takeaways from today's shoot-down of multiple Iranian supplied cruise missiles & drones, fired from W Yemen by Houthi rebels, by the USS Carney operating in the Red Sea.

https://news.usni.org/2023/10/19/u-s-de ... s-pentagon

-- the 2 largest ships of the Baatan amphib group(ARG) had been operating in the Persian Gulf. They departed the Gulf & were last reported in the Red Sea. It was surprising that they had no escorts to protect them from air attack.
-- there is speculation that they will either transit Suez & join the Ford strike group currently in the E Med near Israel, or they might pull into the S Israel port of Eliat (accessible from the Red Sea) & offload the 26th MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit) there.
-- the Carney is one of our oldest destroyers. She is one of our 4 destroyers homeported in Rota, Spain for Euro ballistic missile defense. She was not reported as part of the Ford strike group. She just transited Suez into the Red Sea on Wed, just in time to be in range to bring down those targets over the Red Sea, while the Baatan ARG was in transit, within range.
-- given the range of the Houthi weapons vs the distance from the launch point in W Yemen to potential targets in Israel, it's not unreasonable speculation to wonder if the unescorted Baatan ARG was their target.
-- it only required SM-2 missiles to bring down these targets. The SM-2 is the least capable standard missile we deploy. All our destroyers & cruisers all carry the SM-3 &/or SM-6 longer range missiles capable of ballistic missile defense.
-- when the Ike joins the Ford we'll have 8 destroyers & cruisers in the E Med + however many of our other 4 Rota based destroyers join the Carney.
-- The command ship USS Mount Whitney just departed homeport of Gaeta, Italy, with the Commander 6th Fleet & battle staff embarked, to join the growing strike group in the E Med. I think the last time this happened was in 2011 for Libyan operations.
-- this is the largest naval force in the Med in my recent memory.
-- Israel could be targeted by Iran & proxies along multiple axes, from N to S.

This is a ridiculous risk, having this much tonnage in one area. This could be a giant fustercluck. And then what?

What is the threat ?

Off the top of my head?

-escalation, US enters conflict
-target for baddies to hit
-when you have a big hammer in the region, everything looks like a nail

escalation ? we're there to deter missile attacks on Israel, or knock them down, preventing further escalation.

target for baddies to hit ? with what ?

use the hammer only if the nail sticks it's head above the board.

[old salt]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... s-to-come/

Back seat drivers like Rothman (who likely have never reported from a war zone and who usually does Op-eds like this one) don't pass for credible journalism most of the time. No idea how he could possibly know or even understand the details of his competitors methodology/motivations with such certainty. That said,, trashing the competition is always good for business.

In places like this, reporting is often initially inaccurate (especially when you aren't on the ground in Gaza)- you try and corroborate everything you report but mistakes do happen especially on a deadline and you correct them immediately and overtly when contrary evidence presents itself to you. This situation is especially fraught as the people in charge of the government in Gaza are also part of the same terrorist organization. Now the media should know this and not go with just what their official statements are to the media. In online world,, speed often outweighs accuracy - wanna bet HIS organization has done something similar over time?

Fox News (reporting from the war zone) got it right ...from the start, counseled waiting for confirmation before assigning blame.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6339344213112 @2:45 EDT, 17Oct23
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/israel ... istry-says
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/idf-co ... g-hospital
https://www.foxnews.com/media/media-egg ... skepticism

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/d ... term=first

Dear Media, at Least Cover Hamas Like You Cover Trump

By DAN MCLAUGHLIN, October 19, 2023

The era of Donald Trump has produced a lot of handwringing from the mainstream political press, and a lot of loud pressure from progressives, both leaning into the same basic point: that the press should abandon the “bothsidesism” approach of reporting competing claims by political figures, and should even move beyond “just the facts” reporting, in order to bluntly tell the audience that Trump is a lying liar who is lying yet again. There is some merit to giving readers and viewers enough facts to draw conclusions about who is telling the truth, but the entire movement has also amplified the existing biases in favor of pushing the political press into more blatantly partisan advocacy.

This is dressed up as an elevation of journalistic ethics. In 2016, when CNN started posting chyrons on screen calling Trump a liar, Matt Yglesias wrote at Vox that “CNN has finally figured out how to cover Donald Trump’s constant lying.” That went on for years; in one pandemic press conference, CNN was telling its viewers things such as “Trump melts down in angry response to reports he ignored virus warnings,” “Angry Trump uses propaganda video, produced by government employees at taxpayers’ expense,” and “Trump uses task force briefing to try and rewrite history on coronavirus response.”

In 2021, WGBH’s Dan Kennedy moaned that “the media remain wedded to their old tropes, covering political campaigns as though they were horse races and treating the two major parties as equally legitimate players with different views.” Nicole Hemmer interviewed NYU journalism professor Jay Rosen on Ezra Klein’s podcast and noted Rosen’s view that “the American mainstream press must make a choice: Will it double down on its commitment to detached, nonpartisan neutrality? Or will it choose instead to boldly and aggressively defend truth and democracy? These days, Rosen’s view seems almost common-sensical.” Dana Milbank of the Washington Post argued, “Too many journalists are caught in a mindless neutrality between democracy and its saboteurs, between fact and fiction. It’s time to take a stand.” There was a torrent of similar commentary after CNN hosted a town hall with Trump in May; PBS NewsHour ran a segment on how “CNN town hall highlights media’s struggle with how to cover Trump and his lies,” in which James Fallows argued that “Trump has his own set of rules, which he has earned.”

Well, okay. New rules, right? But Trump’s “own set of rules” somehow don’t apply when the very same press is covering Hamas, a terrorist group with a track record of false propaganda claims stretching back years, and which committed one of the most enormous terror attacks against civilians in world history less than two weeks ago. The American press immediately blasted out unfounded claims by Hamas about a supposed Israeli missile strike on a hospital in Gaza, has walked back those claims grudgingly from a bald repetition of Hamas claims to “Palestinians say,” even when presented with evidence by the U.S. and Israeli governments, and has not circulated correction with anything like the eager amplitude of the original claims. (How many emails and push alerts on your phone did you get saying the Israelis bombed a hospital? How many did you get from the same sources saying the story was false?) The same people who demanded that the press stand up bravely for the truth against Trump are now agonizingly careful to give “both sides” of the story — or worse.

If you’re going to treat a sitting (and now former) president of the United States like a terrorist group, maybe the least we can ask is that you also treat a terrorist group like a terrorist group?

[Baducchi]

.Israel can solve the problem quite easily by giving full citizenship to Palestinians from Gaza and West Bank....

just last week hamas cut through the fence/wall and raped and murdered jews in numbers. and your suggestion is to remove the fence completely. that is your simple solution. brooklyn, i repeat, you are a gigantic piece of sh1t. hamas doesn't hate fences. they hate jews. and the fact that you choose to ignore this to put the blame on the jews becaiuse they build fences because they do what they need to do to protect themselves is what makes you... a gigantic piece of sh1t.

[Baducchi]

Surprise! A quick Google review shows that 6 million have moved out and have gone to other Arab lands. Thus, no need for anymore to leave. Apply the one state solution and all will be peaceful.

They're doing well?

why ask? he has no freakin idea. he's just going to google your questiuon and report back with an answer that he likes. he has no freakin' idea. his knowledge is superficial to the point of offensive. he has no idea. oh, but wait. he had jewish friends when he was a boy so he knows. superficial to the point of offensive.