Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:55 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:08 pm
I'm sure you are a very bright fellow...but what is the "
greatest college in the USA"? I like my school, "It is, sir, as I have said, a small college, and yet there are those who love it" Daniel Webster but I make no such grandiose claims...
Yeah, you have no idea about the actual merits of the various interpretations of sacred text, apparently not even recognizing the tradition of rabbinic midrash as essentially refuting any notion of singular "truth" in interpretation...but I get it, it fits your preferred ideological narrative.
And, while you are not alone in your thinking on the Constitution, you are, again, in a tiny minority in this absolutist interpretation... As is incredibly evident in the actual rulings of SCOTUS over many generations. If your argument ever had merit, it has never found any sort of solid foothold among SCOTUS rulings...or, for that matter, widespread agreement among Constitutional scholars and practitioners.
As to your doctorate, which "field"? Is that in constitutional law?
Are you a practitioner? Won any cases before SCOTUS?
Maybe in academia?
Go ahead and find us some cites on the millions of anti-zionist Jews. It wouldn't be the first time I've found I've been wrong, but I haven't found evidence of such in my own searching.
Again, empathy for Palestinians ain't the same as anti-zionist.
~ greatest ~
We discussed that b4 on LP. The CCNY, of course. None better. Home of a great many progressive Jews who have championed the Palestinian cause. Knew quite a few back in the day.
~ rabbinical ~
Discussed already. Go ahead and have your little debate with them. I'm sure they will welcome the chat.
~ SCOTUS ~
Israel ... the country has no constitution, a series of “Basic Laws” enumerate fundamental rights, which serve as the country’s constitutional foundation ... a “Jewish and democratic state” ... The Nation State of the Jewish People (Nation State Law) recognizes “the exercise of the right to national self-determination in the State of Israel” as “unique to the Jewish People” and calls for promotion of “Jewish settlement” as a national value. The law recommends – but does not require – that judges use Jewish jurisprudence and heritage as a source of legal principles ..."
https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-repo ... -and-gaza/
A state is an institution just like hospitals, schools, and libraries. Therefore, when the government supports it, this violates disestablishment. That is why the government decided some time in the early 1950s to recognize it as a political, not a religious entity. That's what I read a long while ago but couldn't trace a source for this. But other scholars have determined it as well as you have now seen.
Those of you on the right who call for strict constructionism, original intent, and among other things strict enforcement of the 2d Amendment should demand that the US government refrain from violating the Constitution by supporting that country.
~ empathy for Palestinians ain't the same as anti-zionist ~
Yup. And there are far more who harbor such ideas than the one or two which you said earlier.
... and yes, that other guy can be a pain in the ### but he's worth a few good laffs.
Reminder: I'm not on the "right" as you're calling it, and I certainly don't adhere to strict constructionism, original intent etc, and certainly not the far right's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment (se the podcast I linked on the guns thread yesterday)..
Suggestion: Pay attention to whom you are trying to insult.
I have zero desire to enter into any debate with a rabbinical scholar. I am merely observing that the specific interpretations you have presented are tiny minority views in the history of rabbinical midrash and current teaching as well. That's enough for me to dismiss your pronouncements of a singular interpretation as "truth" with "ya und ?" as my Swiss friend would say.
On the Constitutional argument, I hear the argument, but I will again maintain that SCOTUS has never expanded such concerns to our foreign aid support or treaty alliances with other nations. Quite the contrary, those decisions are powers understood to be held by the Legislative and Executive.
And I will again maintain that your desire to expand such as never found any serious foothold in Constitutional jurisprudence and scholarship...makes for good TP, that's all.
Ok, if you fall back position is that there are some small percentage of Jews who are actually anti-zionist and some are not Orthodox, fine by me. Communism, marxism, also have their adherents among a small percentage...indeed, considerable overlap, but we're still talking small.
Finally, I'll cast no broad aspersions on CCNY and its graduates.
