My understanding was Queens not Brooklyn which if you live in the city comes with different connotations.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:08 pmI'm not sure where you think you and I disagree. I certainly agree about your assessment of reality versus the fiction that Trump and right wing media have peddled to the all too gullible MAGA crowd, numbering in the many, many millions. The question I was attempting to address was what were the conditions that led these folks, some well-meaning, to be so gullible? I gave 3 such underlying conditions that I think gave rise to that gullibility, but I'm open to others.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:36 pmCompletely disagree. He's been a card-carrying insider 1%er since he was born. Bill and Hillary at his wedding. Mayor of the City he worked and lived in in his pocket. The literal definition of an establishment 1%er-----all the "right people" are on speed dial. Plays the game, and everyone he's "friends' with is a means to an end. A connection. A path to the very best bank and investment deals, complete access to insider info..MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:18 pm I think the public confuses anti-establishment (which Trump and right wing media pretends) with anti-status quo. The latter would be true, the former quite definitely not true. Trump has always wanted to be accepted by the "establishment" or else to remake it in his own image. He wants the power of the elites, even if he has to seize it through propaganda or force.
That explains the first nomination, albeit not very well. That doesn't explain the next two. Not even close.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:18 pm There is a legitimate argument that Trump appealed to many who simply wished for a change in the status-quo, whether that was because they were frustrated in their own economic and social status potential or because they saw that status quo as inevitably restructuring social status away from the largely racial structures of the past (sheesh, a black President!), or because they were told/believed/experienced that the elites in the status quo, those who had achieved academic and economic success through the meritocracy of the past 5 decades that especially favored intellect and expertise actually looked down their noses at those who had not also achieved at the same level.
Is the gap between rich and poor wider after 4 years of Trump? DC-----the swamp he promised to drain-----is 60% bigger in just 4 years. The tax cut for the rich is still in place (thank you Joe Biden).
Did he pass a single bill that helps the "forgotten voter" in a meaningful, long term way? He didn't even pass a freaking infrastructure bill, FFS, let alone an immigration and reform bill.
So Trump gave them: (drumroll) status quo----borrowed a bunch of money, and handed it out. TrumpVoters think the economic environment under Trump was "hard work'. Nope. Trump borrowed trillions, and handed it out.
Post Trump? Even MORE money is heading to the libs these people supposedly don't like. Education, health care....cost of living.....all far worse for these voters. All because of the things Trump did and didn't do.
Naturally, because of Right Wing spin, these voters are told not to check what REALLY happened, and so they (drumroll) blame Joe Biden for it all, and think that four more years of Trump "will be different this time". Yeah....no. Trump will accelerate their decline.
Yeah....nope.
On the 1%, of course I agree that he was born with a silver spoon...but according to those who know him, including family who should know, he never felt actually accepted. Brooklyn not Manhattan. Money, bravado and to some eyes, good lucks, were his currency in all of his 'acquisitions', not real merit much less real respect. Certainly not pedigree as his father was pretty well despised as well. IMO, the "establishment" who played ball with him were all sucking from the money teat, not based in actual friendship, much less respect. Politicians, bankers, boxers, always about the money. Women? all about the money.
He’s a loser Mets/Jets/Nets fan rather than the Brooklyn, Bronx, Manhattan folks who generally track Giants/Yankees/Knicks-which is less compelling as a differentiation today than it was 20yrs ago. NY folks know what I’m talking about.