Sensible Gun Safety

[lagerhead]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration each year….along with what you said.

[lagerhead]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

[lagerhead]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

[Typical Lax Dad]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

[lagerhead]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

I just gave you real means to control guns and you’re dismissive nice. Gotta start somewhere I’ll go for the lie hanging fruit.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

I just gave you real means to control guns and you’re dismissive nice. Gotta start somewhere I’ll go for the lie hanging fruit.

You mean controlling offenders.

[lagerhead]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

I just gave you real means to control guns and you’re dismissive nice. Gotta start somewhere I’ll go for the lie hanging fruit.

You mean controlling offenders.

2A ain’t going anywhere, start somewhere!!!

[Typical Lax Dad]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

I just gave you real means to control guns and you’re dismissive nice. Gotta start somewhere I’ll go for the lie hanging fruit.

You mean controlling offenders.

2A ain’t going anywhere, start somewhere!!!

You mean we currently have no gun laws?

[lagerhead]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

I just gave you real means to control guns and you’re dismissive nice. Gotta start somewhere I’ll go for the lie hanging fruit.

You mean controlling offenders.

2A ain’t going anywhere, start somewhere!!!

You mean we currently have no gun laws?

Regardless of Clarence Thomas comments we do have gun laws, they are in place. You agreed with my most of my initial post and have turned it sideways. Cudos. Start somewhere!!

[Typical Lax Dad]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

I just gave you real means to control guns and you’re dismissive nice. Gotta start somewhere I’ll go for the lie hanging fruit.

You mean controlling offenders.

2A ain’t going anywhere, start somewhere!!!

You mean we currently have no gun laws?

Regardless of Clarence Thomas comments we do have gun laws, they are in place. You agreed with my most of my initial post and have turned it sideways. Cudos. Start somewhere!!

You said 2A ain’t going anywhere, “start” somewhere…..you meant to type something else. I agreed with what you proposed and added more teeth. Anyway, not here to change your mind. Your interest isn’t in reducing gun deaths. Your focus is on the offenders after the fact. More prisons is the answer to more guns.

[lagerhead]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

I just gave you real means to control guns and you’re dismissive nice. Gotta start somewhere I’ll go for the lie hanging fruit.

You mean controlling offenders.

2A ain’t going anywhere, start somewhere!!!

You mean we currently have no gun laws?

Regardless of Clarence Thomas comments we do have gun laws, they are in place. You agreed with my most of my initial post and have turned it sideways. Cudos. Start somewhere!!

You said 2A ain’t going anywhere (it’s not), “start” somewhere…..you meant to type something else ( nope I meant starting with low hanging fruit of guns used in crime or illegal possession, you know deterrent and all) . I agreed with what you proposed and added more teeth. Anyway, not here to change your mind. Your interest isn’t in reducing gun deaths.( yes it is START SOMEWHERE) Your focus is on the offenders after the fact. More prisons is the answer to more guns.( you agreed mandatory sentencing )

() me

[Typical Lax Dad]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

I just gave you real means to control guns and you’re dismissive nice. Gotta start somewhere I’ll go for the lie hanging fruit.

You mean controlling offenders.

2A ain’t going anywhere, start somewhere!!!

You mean we currently have no gun laws?

Regardless of Clarence Thomas comments we do have gun laws, they are in place. You agreed with my most of my initial post and have turned it sideways. Cudos. Start somewhere!!

You said 2A ain’t going anywhere (it’s not), “start” somewhere…..you meant to type something else ( nope I meant starting with low hanging fruit of guns used in crime or illegal possession, you know deterrent and all) . I agreed with what you proposed and added more teeth. Anyway, not here to change your mind. Your interest isn’t in reducing gun deaths.( yes it is START SOMEWHERE) Your focus is on the offenders after the fact. More prisons is the answer to more guns.( you agreed mandatory sentencing )

() me

I am listening to George Garzone. Enjoy the rest of your night.

[lagerhead]

Just yesterday - a armed citizen was arrested inside the WI state Capitol claiming to be looking for the governor whose office is in the building.
He was arrested, his loaded firearm (a handgun) was confiscated. He bailed out and then returned to the same location hours later still looking for the governor then armed with a loaded semi-automatic long gun. He was again arrested and remains in custody without bail.

"A new study by researchers at Boston Children’s hospital found children’s gun-related deaths have surged over the past decade, increasing by 87%.

Researchers analyzed data on fatal and non-fatal shooting injuries from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) injury reporting system, finding deadly wound rates increased from nearly 14 deaths per 100,000 children in 2011 to more than 17 deaths per 100,000 in 2021.

Additionally, the data shows firearm fatalities were the leading cause of accidental death in children."

Such a great country we have here.

But was it illegal?

Who cares? You want to stop this? Minimum mandatory federal sentences for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Use a registered firearm in a crime mandatory minimum sentence. Use an unlicensed firearm in the commission of a crime bye bye mandatory sentence no fckuing wiggle room. Registered handgun used in crime bye bye illegal possession bye bye. Registered handgun used to intimidate bye bye.

Make gun manufacturers subject to wrongful death suits and charge an annual property tax on guns and verify and renew registration
each year….along with what you said.

Everything besides verify your creds yearly.
2A is a right.
Make the government liable if licensed or unlicensed. After all even if licensed the user passed government background check.

What I figured.…make the government liable…..whatever happened to personal responsibility…. You aren’t serious about reducing gun deaths in this country. It won’t bother you until it does.

Dude - The manufacturer makes it available for legal sale.
Government approves said legal sale who is liablle?
You can prove the manufacturer distributed illegally have at it!
Prove negligence on legal owner have at it!

Red flag laws absolutely but with an appeal process!

Carry on. Don’t want to get into a loggerhead. Best.

I just gave you real means to control guns and you’re dismissive nice. Gotta start somewhere I’ll go for the lie hanging fruit.

You mean controlling offenders.

2A ain’t going anywhere, start somewhere!!!

You mean we currently have no gun laws?

Regardless of Clarence Thomas comments we do have gun laws, they are in place. You agreed with my most of my initial post and have turned it sideways. Cudos. Start somewhere!!

You said 2A ain’t going anywhere (it’s not), “start” somewhere…..you meant to type something else ( nope I meant starting with low hanging fruit of guns used in crime or illegal possession, you know deterrent and all) . I agreed with what you proposed and added more teeth. Anyway, not here to change your mind. Your interest isn’t in reducing gun deaths.( yes it is START SOMEWHERE) Your focus is on the offenders after the fact. More prisons is the answer to more guns.( you agreed mandatory sentencing )

() me

I am listening to George Garzone. Enjoy the rest of your night.

One hitter and style council for me enjoy

[MDlaxfan76]

The Office of Gun Violence Prevention!! The new czar is the same incompetent moron who was suppose to fix the problem at the southern border. You wanna help prevent gun violence concentrate on ILLEGAL WEAPONS. The best dumbass option was Gov. Kathy Hochuls option. You create background checks for purchasing bullets. Soooooooooo if your gonna pay 2.50 far a background check for 10 bullets ya might as well buy 1000 bullets. You pay the same 2.50 for 10 bullets as you would for a 1000 bullets. That is how you prevent gun violence. You make it advantageous to buy more bullets for your money.

Check again - most, if not all of these mass shooters have used LEGAL weapons.

Check again, the nightly carnage in Urban America are perpetrated by folks in possession of ILLEGAL WEAPONS. I guess they don't count on your score card? What is our new gun czar going to do about ILLEGAL WEAPONS? That would involve proactive policing. The policy in urban America today is reactive policing. That is where the police show up, pick up the shell casings, ask around if anybody saw the shooting and then call in the fire department to wash the blood off of the street. I don't consider that much of a winning strategy.
I guess we can only hope our new gun czar performs better in her new role than she did fixing the southern border? When it comes to any task involving our esteemed vice president the Peter Principle takes over in ernest.

Let’s split the difference and say, there are too fcuking many weapons in circulation. Period.

So, how to solve that little problem? It sure as h!ll isn’t correctable by selling more…

Pizza, You simply don't understand...

cradle, obviously the illegal gun manufacturers are the source of all these illegal weapons, right?
Shut them down, problem solved?

ohhh, no, the guns were made by legal gun manufacturers? We should ask them to make more legal weapons, not illegal ones, right?

hmmm, no, the guns they make are "legal" when made, they just get sold to illegal buyers...and that can happen at any time, from the warehouse, from the retailer, from the 'gun show', from individual to individual...maybe we should regulate and control the sale of every gun, not just the ones from a gun store? Nah, can't have that happen. Too reasonable.

And oh yeah, guns can be stolen...so...maybe there should be required gun storage and hey, even better, fingerprint locks? Nah, too reasonable...

So, what is "proactive policing"?

Does that mean the police should go door to door and demand proof that every gun they find in the home is legally registered? And registered to a person who should actually have a gun? Should anyone walking the street, driving a car, be stopped and searched and have to prove that the gun they have on them is legally owned and registered?

Seriously, what's the actual policy you recommend, cradle?

Your stunning ignorance as to how weapons find their way into the wrong hands does not surprise me. Why don't you go out and blast some ducks? You have nothing constructive to add to this conversation. Do you have a problem with strict penalties being imposed on people who possess illegal weapons?? The only gun owners that bother a FLP liberal Democrat like you are the ones that obey the law and pay their taxes.

FTR the police in NYC had a policy that worked. Stop and frisk was a phenomenal tool that made criminals think twice about carrying an illegal weapon on their person. Matter of fact the bad guys STOPPED carrying guns on their person. The rub was that violated their constitutional right to carry illegal weapons and terrorize their local communities. So the police are resigned to their fate. Proactive policing has been replaced by reactive policing. Instead of preventing a gun crime police simply react to gun crimes and make sure the blood is washed out of the street and all the brass has been policed up and documented.

Huh?
No one has a constitutional right to carry an illegal weapon...your argument is with the gun nuts, not me. They're the ones who scream about the rights to carry guns.

So, if I'm guilty of "stunning ignorance" of how bad guys get their hands on guns, illegally, enlighten us as to how that actually happens and how you'd therefore interrupt that pathway...speak slowly as if I'm a 6th grader...

You need to reread what you just wrote. I understand your not the brightest liberal Democrat around but even you can't possibly be this stupid. I can't speak slow enough where you could ever understand. Time for a bike ride for you old sod.... I'll give you a hint dumbass. If you can get out of jail at 11 am and be in possession of an illegal weapon by 3pm even a liberal dumbass like yourself should comprehend there is a problem. Usually age brings wisdom. In your case it just makes you a bigger dumbass than you were the day before.

So, instead of answering a straight question, your only resort is to hurl personal insults?

Again, your argument is with the gun nuts, not me.

[cradleandshoot]

The Office of Gun Violence Prevention!! The new czar is the same incompetent moron who was suppose to fix the problem at the southern border. You wanna help prevent gun violence concentrate on ILLEGAL WEAPONS. The best dumbass option was Gov. Kathy Hochuls option. You create background checks for purchasing bullets. Soooooooooo if your gonna pay 2.50 far a background check for 10 bullets ya might as well buy 1000 bullets. You pay the same 2.50 for 10 bullets as you would for a 1000 bullets. That is how you prevent gun violence. You make it advantageous to buy more bullets for your money.

Check again - most, if not all of these mass shooters have used LEGAL weapons.

Check again, the nightly carnage in Urban America are perpetrated by folks in possession of ILLEGAL WEAPONS. I guess they don't count on your score card? What is our new gun czar going to do about ILLEGAL WEAPONS? That would involve proactive policing. The policy in urban America today is reactive policing. That is where the police show up, pick up the shell casings, ask around if anybody saw the shooting and then call in the fire department to wash the blood off of the street. I don't consider that much of a winning strategy.
I guess we can only hope our new gun czar performs better in her new role than she did fixing the southern border? When it comes to any task involving our esteemed vice president the Peter Principle takes over in ernest.

Let’s split the difference and say, there are too fcuking many weapons in circulation. Period.

So, how to solve that little problem? It sure as h!ll isn’t correctable by selling more…

Pizza, You simply don't understand...

cradle, obviously the illegal gun manufacturers are the source of all these illegal weapons, right?
Shut them down, problem solved?

ohhh, no, the guns were made by legal gun manufacturers? We should ask them to make more legal weapons, not illegal ones, right?

hmmm, no, the guns they make are "legal" when made, they just get sold to illegal buyers...and that can happen at any time, from the warehouse, from the retailer, from the 'gun show', from individual to individual...maybe we should regulate and control the sale of every gun, not just the ones from a gun store? Nah, can't have that happen. Too reasonable.

And oh yeah, guns can be stolen...so...maybe there should be required gun storage and hey, even better, fingerprint locks? Nah, too reasonable...

So, what is "proactive policing"?

Does that mean the police should go door to door and demand proof that every gun they find in the home is legally registered? And registered to a person who should actually have a gun? Should anyone walking the street, driving a car, be stopped and searched and have to prove that the gun they have on them is legally owned and registered?

Seriously, what's the actual policy you recommend, cradle?

Your stunning ignorance as to how weapons find their way into the wrong hands does not surprise me. Why don't you go out and blast some ducks? You have nothing constructive to add to this conversation. Do you have a problem with strict penalties being imposed on people who possess illegal weapons?? The only gun owners that bother a FLP liberal Democrat like you are the ones that obey the law and pay their taxes.

FTR the police in NYC had a policy that worked. Stop and frisk was a phenomenal tool that made criminals think twice about carrying an illegal weapon on their person. Matter of fact the bad guys STOPPED carrying guns on their person. The rub was that violated their constitutional right to carry illegal weapons and terrorize their local communities. So the police are resigned to their fate. Proactive policing has been replaced by reactive policing. Instead of preventing a gun crime police simply react to gun crimes and make sure the blood is washed out of the street and all the brass has been policed up and documented.

Huh?
No one has a constitutional right to carry an illegal weapon...your argument is with the gun nuts, not me. They're the ones who scream about the rights to carry guns.

So, if I'm guilty of "stunning ignorance" of how bad guys get their hands on guns, illegally, enlighten us as to how that actually happens and how you'd therefore interrupt that pathway...speak slowly as if I'm a 6th grader...

You need to reread what you just wrote. I understand your not the brightest liberal Democrat around but even you can't possibly be this stupid. I can't speak slow enough where you could ever understand. Time for a bike ride for you old sod.... I'll give you a hint dumbass. If you can get out of jail at 11 am and be in possession of an illegal weapon by 3pm even a liberal dumbass like yourself should comprehend there is a problem. Usually age brings wisdom. In your case it just makes you a bigger dumbass than you were the day before.

So, instead of answering a straight question, your only resort is to hurl personal insults?

Again, your argument is with the gun nuts, not me.

If there is anybody worthy of having personal insults hurled their way you are the prime and deserving candidate. How do you define a gun nut BTW? Your never ending arrogance always gets in the way of that thing I call common sense. Despite all of your bullchit about being a lifelong Republican I've never once over these years actually read anything from you that a lifelong conservative republican would say. That might be why your presence at the Republican National Convention would make you persona non grata. Pretty embarrassing for a self professed lifelong Republican.

[MDlaxfan76]

The Office of Gun Violence Prevention!! The new czar is the same incompetent moron who was suppose to fix the problem at the southern border. You wanna help prevent gun violence concentrate on ILLEGAL WEAPONS. The best dumbass option was Gov. Kathy Hochuls option. You create background checks for purchasing bullets. Soooooooooo if your gonna pay 2.50 far a background check for 10 bullets ya might as well buy 1000 bullets. You pay the same 2.50 for 10 bullets as you would for a 1000 bullets. That is how you prevent gun violence. You make it advantageous to buy more bullets for your money.

Check again - most, if not all of these mass shooters have used LEGAL weapons.

Check again, the nightly carnage in Urban America are perpetrated by folks in possession of ILLEGAL WEAPONS. I guess they don't count on your score card? What is our new gun czar going to do about ILLEGAL WEAPONS? That would involve proactive policing. The policy in urban America today is reactive policing. That is where the police show up, pick up the shell casings, ask around if anybody saw the shooting and then call in the fire department to wash the blood off of the street. I don't consider that much of a winning strategy.
I guess we can only hope our new gun czar performs better in her new role than she did fixing the southern border? When it comes to any task involving our esteemed vice president the Peter Principle takes over in ernest.

Let’s split the difference and say, there are too fcuking many weapons in circulation. Period.

So, how to solve that little problem? It sure as h!ll isn’t correctable by selling more…

Pizza, You simply don't understand...

cradle, obviously the illegal gun manufacturers are the source of all these illegal weapons, right?
Shut them down, problem solved?

ohhh, no, the guns were made by legal gun manufacturers? We should ask them to make more legal weapons, not illegal ones, right?

hmmm, no, the guns they make are "legal" when made, they just get sold to illegal buyers...and that can happen at any time, from the warehouse, from the retailer, from the 'gun show', from individual to individual...maybe we should regulate and control the sale of every gun, not just the ones from a gun store? Nah, can't have that happen. Too reasonable.

And oh yeah, guns can be stolen...so...maybe there should be required gun storage and hey, even better, fingerprint locks? Nah, too reasonable...

So, what is "proactive policing"?

Does that mean the police should go door to door and demand proof that every gun they find in the home is legally registered? And registered to a person who should actually have a gun? Should anyone walking the street, driving a car, be stopped and searched and have to prove that the gun they have on them is legally owned and registered?

Seriously, what's the actual policy you recommend, cradle?

Your stunning ignorance as to how weapons find their way into the wrong hands does not surprise me. Why don't you go out and blast some ducks? You have nothing constructive to add to this conversation. Do you have a problem with strict penalties being imposed on people who possess illegal weapons?? The only gun owners that bother a FLP liberal Democrat like you are the ones that obey the law and pay their taxes.

FTR the police in NYC had a policy that worked. Stop and frisk was a phenomenal tool that made criminals think twice about carrying an illegal weapon on their person. Matter of fact the bad guys STOPPED carrying guns on their person. The rub was that violated their constitutional right to carry illegal weapons and terrorize their local communities. So the police are resigned to their fate. Proactive policing has been replaced by reactive policing. Instead of preventing a gun crime police simply react to gun crimes and make sure the blood is washed out of the street and all the brass has been policed up and documented.

Huh?
No one has a constitutional right to carry an illegal weapon...your argument is with the gun nuts, not me. They're the ones who scream about the rights to carry guns.

So, if I'm guilty of "stunning ignorance" of how bad guys get their hands on guns, illegally, enlighten us as to how that actually happens and how you'd therefore interrupt that pathway...speak slowly as if I'm a 6th grader...

You need to reread what you just wrote. I understand your not the brightest liberal Democrat around but even you can't possibly be this stupid. I can't speak slow enough where you could ever understand. Time for a bike ride for you old sod.... I'll give you a hint dumbass. If you can get out of jail at 11 am and be in possession of an illegal weapon by 3pm even a liberal dumbass like yourself should comprehend there is a problem. Usually age brings wisdom. In your case it just makes you a bigger dumbass than you were the day before.

So, instead of answering a straight question, your only resort is to hurl personal insults?

Again, your argument is with the gun nuts, not me.

If there is anybody worthy of having personal insults hurled their way you are the prime and deserving candidate. How do you define a gun nut BTW? Your never ending arrogance always gets in the way of that thing I call common sense. Despite all of your bullchit about being a lifelong Republican I've never once over these years actually read anything from you that a lifelong conservative republican would say. That might be why your presence at the Republican National Convention would make you persona non grata. Pretty embarrassing for a self professed lifelong Republican.

More guns for all, anytime, anywhere. Justified by a misreading of the Constitution.

A minority, but loudest minority, of gun owners...funded and egged on by the gun manufacturers.

[runrussellrun]

One hitter and style council for me enjoy

You must be exercising and listening to your Walkman. (Harvesting a whole bunch of Durban P. this week. BUDS are secured in cages, it was a great growing year )

Haven't listened to Style council in years.......painting some lax art today.....give it a listen. Recall lots of horns.

Didn't Paul date Kim Wilde ?

Alcohol kills more than guns.........and is a carbon footprint buzz kill. Maybe we should ban booze again.

[cradleandshoot]

The Office of Gun Violence Prevention!! The new czar is the same incompetent moron who was suppose to fix the problem at the southern border. You wanna help prevent gun violence concentrate on ILLEGAL WEAPONS. The best dumbass option was Gov. Kathy Hochuls option. You create background checks for purchasing bullets. Soooooooooo if your gonna pay 2.50 far a background check for 10 bullets ya might as well buy 1000 bullets. You pay the same 2.50 for 10 bullets as you would for a 1000 bullets. That is how you prevent gun violence. You make it advantageous to buy more bullets for your money.

Check again - most, if not all of these mass shooters have used LEGAL weapons.

Check again, the nightly carnage in Urban America are perpetrated by folks in possession of ILLEGAL WEAPONS. I guess they don't count on your score card? What is our new gun czar going to do about ILLEGAL WEAPONS? That would involve proactive policing. The policy in urban America today is reactive policing. That is where the police show up, pick up the shell casings, ask around if anybody saw the shooting and then call in the fire department to wash the blood off of the street. I don't consider that much of a winning strategy.
I guess we can only hope our new gun czar performs better in her new role than she did fixing the southern border? When it comes to any task involving our esteemed vice president the Peter Principle takes over in ernest.

Let’s split the difference and say, there are too fcuking many weapons in circulation. Period.

So, how to solve that little problem? It sure as h!ll isn’t correctable by selling more…

Pizza, You simply don't understand...

cradle, obviously the illegal gun manufacturers are the source of all these illegal weapons, right?
Shut them down, problem solved?

ohhh, no, the guns were made by legal gun manufacturers? We should ask them to make more legal weapons, not illegal ones, right?

hmmm, no, the guns they make are "legal" when made, they just get sold to illegal buyers...and that can happen at any time, from the warehouse, from the retailer, from the 'gun show', from individual to individual...maybe we should regulate and control the sale of every gun, not just the ones from a gun store? Nah, can't have that happen. Too reasonable.

And oh yeah, guns can be stolen...so...maybe there should be required gun storage and hey, even better, fingerprint locks? Nah, too reasonable...

So, what is "proactive policing"?

Does that mean the police should go door to door and demand proof that every gun they find in the home is legally registered? And registered to a person who should actually have a gun? Should anyone walking the street, driving a car, be stopped and searched and have to prove that the gun they have on them is legally owned and registered?

Seriously, what's the actual policy you recommend, cradle?

Your stunning ignorance as to how weapons find their way into the wrong hands does not surprise me. Why don't you go out and blast some ducks? You have nothing constructive to add to this conversation. Do you have a problem with strict penalties being imposed on people who possess illegal weapons?? The only gun owners that bother a FLP liberal Democrat like you are the ones that obey the law and pay their taxes.

FTR the police in NYC had a policy that worked. Stop and frisk was a phenomenal tool that made criminals think twice about carrying an illegal weapon on their person. Matter of fact the bad guys STOPPED carrying guns on their person. The rub was that violated their constitutional right to carry illegal weapons and terrorize their local communities. So the police are resigned to their fate. Proactive policing has been replaced by reactive policing. Instead of preventing a gun crime police simply react to gun crimes and make sure the blood is washed out of the street and all the brass has been policed up and documented.

Huh?
No one has a constitutional right to carry an illegal weapon...your argument is with the gun nuts, not me. They're the ones who scream about the rights to carry guns.

So, if I'm guilty of "stunning ignorance" of how bad guys get their hands on guns, illegally, enlighten us as to how that actually happens and how you'd therefore interrupt that pathway...speak slowly as if I'm a 6th grader...

You need to reread what you just wrote. I understand your not the brightest liberal Democrat around but even you can't possibly be this stupid. I can't speak slow enough where you could ever understand. Time for a bike ride for you old sod.... I'll give you a hint dumbass. If you can get out of jail at 11 am and be in possession of an illegal weapon by 3pm even a liberal dumbass like yourself should comprehend there is a problem. Usually age brings wisdom. In your case it just makes you a bigger dumbass than you were the day before.

So, instead of answering a straight question, your only resort is to hurl personal insults?

Again, your argument is with the gun nuts, not me.

If there is anybody worthy of having personal insults hurled their way you are the prime and deserving candidate. How do you define a gun nut BTW? Your never ending arrogance always gets in the way of that thing I call common sense. Despite all of your bullchit about being a lifelong Republican I've never once over these years actually read anything from you that a lifelong conservative republican would say. That might be why your presence at the Republican National Convention would make you persona non grata. Pretty embarrassing for a self professed lifelong Republican.

More guns for all, anytime, anywhere. Justified by a misreading of the Constitution.

A minority, but loudest minority, of gun owners...funded and egged on by the gun manufacturers.

Go blast some ducks. I would trust law abiding Americans with an AR-15 type weapons than I would with a dumbass like yourself armed with a 12 gauge trying to replicate Dick Cheneys marksmanship skills. The safest duck in the world would be one within any proximity of your blind.