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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:28 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:23 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:59 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:28 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:37 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:24 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:58 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:26 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:15 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:46 am
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:32 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:13 am The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/
:lol: You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.
Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.
States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.
You might want to learn to spell his name correctly. :roll:

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you. ;)

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.
Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch. :lol: ;)

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities. ;)
Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.
Duhhh!

My entire point was stated rather clearly in this thread. To be clear....All states have problems, and if you could clean up the poorly run cities within those states, everyone wins. But who runs those cities cited above.....exactly. If you can not acknowledge the top 10 most dangerous cities are run my democrats, then you are clearly the partisan my man. But no, MD (who can't spell DeSantis' name correctly), can't see the nuance and game Newsome played, then resorts to your standard name-calling (idiocy ring a bell?) all while doubling down and further avoiding comment or an oops that you too, were wrong for incorrectly writing a Governors name. ;)
What kind of logic is this?

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

As for your question: who runs DC? That would be Congress. You, of all people know the mechanics of how DC is forced to operate.
It was in response to my initial conversation points.

And thanks for proving my point....it is the politicians fault as you just stated about DC. So. give those Democratic City politicians the blame in all those cities...see, that wasn't hard. ;)
Yeah....that's NOT your point. Your point is: Dem run cities are bad. So we're going to look at stats that show they are bad, and ignore that cities all over America have crime problems, regardless of party, and that this crime is just as bad as the stuff happening in big cities.
Same problem exists in small towns and rural areas of high poverty. Doesn't matter whether D or R.
It ain't the D or R, it's the poverty. And guns.
Of course...and guns... :roll: I live in a Democrat run State that could not possibly be run more FUBAR than it is. Those folks struggling in the southern tier are mostly small town people who will never amount to more than a blip on any Democrat radar. They can hardly afford gas to get back and forth to work. If you want to buy some shotgun shells to hunt ducks you have to pass a background check and pay 2.50. If you need more shells for duck hunting the next day.. you have to complete another background check and hand over another 2.50. This is probably the kind of stupid chit that makes sense in some peoples minds. Getting back to your point, there are not many cities big ,medium or small in NYS that don't have serious problems trying to serve the people that elected them. If there is one common denominator it would be not enough money. If there is a metropolis out there that is not in need of more money I would be interested to know where that place is
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Another night of looting in Philly. Probably more fake news from Fox.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/lo ... a/3655738/
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But Cradle told us they don't arrest and punish these people...
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:57 am But Cradle told us they don't arrest and punish these people...
Actually, if the charges are shoplifting then they likely get released without bail. However, I suspect authorities will find ways to charge more than just shoplifting in these cases.
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old salt wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:04 am Another night of looting in Philly. Probably more fake news from Fox.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/lo ... a/3655738/
Fake news. There is no policing in the “Dem” cities.
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Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:26 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:57 am But Cradle told us they don't arrest and punish these people...
Actually, if the charges are shoplifting then they likely get released without bail. However, I suspect authorities will find ways to charge more than just shoplifting in these cases.
Yep, not just simple shoplifting charges. Doesn't seem like they're gonna get a simle slap on the wrist. They've been making examples out of these idiots since this stuff has increased in popularity.

"They were charged with a number of crimes including burglary, theft and participating in riot offenses.

There are others who were arrested on the first evening of looting incidents that are still awaiting formal charges, police officials said."
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:19 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:26 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:57 am But Cradle told us they don't arrest and punish these people...
Actually, if the charges are shoplifting then they likely get released without bail. However, I suspect authorities will find ways to charge more than just shoplifting in these cases.
Yep, not just simple shoplifting charges. Doesn't seem like they're gonna get a simle slap on the wrist. They've been making examples out of these idiots since this stuff has increased in popularity.

"They were charged with a number of crimes including burglary, theft and participating in riot offenses.

There are others who were arrested on the first evening of looting incidents that are still awaiting formal charges, police officials said."
Not possible. We've been told that Dems are bad, and all crime is becuz of Dems.

Love watching the discourse here get more and more dumbed down because Republicans are so desperate to ignore that their party's leader has committed crimes already-----fraud with charities, of all things.

But sure, Forum Republicans....lecture to America that law and order is important to you. Make sure you vote for your boy Trump twice.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:19 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:41 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:28 pm Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.
https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliati ... the_cities?
At the start of 2022, 76.1% of the population of the top 100 cities lived in cities with Democratic mayors, and 16.23% lived in cities with Republican mayors, based on 2020 population estimates.

The twenty largest cities by population had the most Democratic mayors and the fewest Republican mayors:
That is where jobs are.
Economic productivity, innovation, arts, etc
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a fan wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:44 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:19 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:26 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:57 am But Cradle told us they don't arrest and punish these people...
Actually, if the charges are shoplifting then they likely get released without bail. However, I suspect authorities will find ways to charge more than just shoplifting in these cases.
Yep, not just simple shoplifting charges. Doesn't seem like they're gonna get a simle slap on the wrist. They've been making examples out of these idiots since this stuff has increased in popularity.

"They were charged with a number of crimes including burglary, theft and participating in riot offenses.

There are others who were arrested on the first evening of looting incidents that are still awaiting formal charges, police officials said."
Not possible. We've been told that Dems are bad, and all crime is becuz of Dems.

Love watching the discourse here get more and more dumbed down because Republicans are so desperate to ignore that their party's leader has committed crimes already-----fraud with charities, of all things.

But sure, Forum Republicans....lecture to America that law and order is important to you. Make sure you vote for your boy Trump twice.
:lol: ...yeah. Voters are afraid of being mugged or carjacked by a Trump charity worker. Retail stores are fleeing cities because of Trump's business fraud. Are both emergency declarations still in effect in Denver ?
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Democrats are apparently afraid of their own shadow.....kicking Kennedy to the curb, giving the GOP a win, if it plays out: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1707 ... 75918?s=20
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:32 pm Democrats are apparently afraid of their own shadow.....kicking Kennedy to the curb, giving the GOP a win, if it plays out: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1707 ... 75918?s=20
Jesus. Fantasy time with Chuck Callesto.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:11 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:32 pm Democrats are apparently afraid of their own shadow.....kicking Kennedy to the curb, giving the GOP a win, if it plays out: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1707 ... 75918?s=20
Jesus. Fantasy time with Chuck Callesto.
Is it? You make the call: https://x.com/robertkennedyjr/status/17 ... a82I2GssRg
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old salt wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:18 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:44 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:19 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:26 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:57 am But Cradle told us they don't arrest and punish these people...
Actually, if the charges are shoplifting then they likely get released without bail. However, I suspect authorities will find ways to charge more than just shoplifting in these cases.
Yep, not just simple shoplifting charges. Doesn't seem like they're gonna get a simle slap on the wrist. They've been making examples out of these idiots since this stuff has increased in popularity.

"They were charged with a number of crimes including burglary, theft and participating in riot offenses.

There are others who were arrested on the first evening of looting incidents that are still awaiting formal charges, police officials said."
Not possible. We've been told that Dems are bad, and all crime is becuz of Dems.

Love watching the discourse here get more and more dumbed down because Republicans are so desperate to ignore that their party's leader has committed crimes already-----fraud with charities, of all things.

But sure, Forum Republicans....lecture to America that law and order is important to you. Make sure you vote for your boy Trump twice.
:lol: ...yeah. Voters are afraid of being mugged or carjacked by a Trump charity worker. Retail stores are fleeing cities because of Trump's business fraud. Are both emergency declarations still in effect in Denver ?
You upset because these thieves didn't steal as much as Trump did?

You gonna vote for these shoplifters as the future of your Republican party?
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I've been having an uneasy feeling. ...like a high frequency buzz in the rudder pedals from a worn bearing in the tail rotor drivetrain.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... -to-break/

Something Is Going to Break

By MICHAEL BRENDAN DOUGHERTY, September 29, 2023

Have you ever seen a big mechanical breakdown? The arms and belts of a machine get into some kind of hinky relationship and begin dancing. There’s this moment of suspense about whether the process under way will slow down and the machine will implode relatively safely. But, as often as not, the problem is that inertial and load-bearing parts of the system have broken away, so everything just speeds up terrifyingly. You know an arm or belt is going to escape its current centripetal motion and just launch at terminal velocity. You can just hope that you’re not standing in its way.

That’s how I feel watching the 2024 election shaping up. Some of the brakes in the system are clearly not working. A man who has been indicted four times for 91 criminal acts shouldn’t be running for president of the United States. And he really shouldn’t be the front-runner. And yet he is. Also, the sitting president’s Justice Department shouldn’t have an open investigation against its chief political rival, one that will allow the attorney general or his deputies to bring forth testimony and hearings at times that will manipulate the political cycle. None of this should happen, but we all feel that each action — Trump running again, Biden indicting him — is the logical and necessary consequence of some other previous failure. Like a mechanical breakdown, the physical laws of the universe are being obeyed — all the political momentum is understandable and even somewhat predictable. But the engineering failure guarantees that the result is a disaster.

None of the parts of this election fit together. Democrats sincerely believe that Donald Trump is a threat to the Constitution of the United States. They believe his disrespect for the law and norms of office, combined with his ability to command the political loyalty of scores of millions of Republicans, threatens to tear apart the American system. Some of them believe that Trump’s affinity for foreign tyrants, and his proclaimed determination to end the war in Ukraine, somehow puts the fate of the whole free world at stake. And yet, Democrats have no other plan to avert these enormities than to re-run Joe Biden, who is plainly heading into steep cognitive decline and whom over 70 percent of the country believes is too old to be president. Again, the political physics are just entirely mismatched. The Joe Biden of 2024 is not safety-rated for a project of this scale.

Donald Trump is similarly unfit for Republican ambitions. Republicans sincerely believe that a critical number of private and public institutions in national life have been entirely captured by progressives and are now being weaponized against them. Academia and the intelligence agencies produce bogus studies about disinformation, that are then used to recommend censorship across the internet. Little old ladies and Franciscan friars who protest at abortion clinics are getting the book thrown at them, while illegal immigrants get invited to a free stay in Manhattan hotels. Some states are vaguely hinting that Christian forms of parenting are inherently abusive of children, denying Christians the ability to adopt. Republicans want to drain the swamp, but are nominating a man who, when he was president, was regularly defied by the Pentagon and other agencies. He would announce a ban on transgender servicemen, then the military would announce an expansion of services for transgender servicepersons. He would announce a withdrawal from Syria, then the Pentagon would announce an extension of our stay there. “Wokeness” flourished in American institutions during his administration. For Republicans to even have a hope of rebalancing the executive branch’s institutions, they need an administrator with ferocious follow-through, and they probably need him for two terms. Donald Trump can’t be either of those things.

How can the United States claim to be a functioning democracy when it now regularly produces elections where the candidates are so loathed by such large numbers of the population? Nearly 60 percent of the country said that Donald Trump should not hold office again, but in a head-to-head matchup with Biden, he’s currently leading. Nearly three-quarters of the country believes Biden is too old to be president at all. But, again, matched against Trump, many Democrats are concluding that he’s their best and only realistic hope.

It’s very foreseeable how a significant portion of the Left would respond to a Donald Trump victory, as Donald Trump responded to a Joe Biden victory: with extra-legal means. It’s very foreseeable that a Joe Biden victory is dangerous to the country — having a mentally incapacitated member of the Silent Generation as commander in chief while the country is fighting a proxy war against the largest nuclear-armed power on Earth has some rather obvious downsides.

What does it say about our civilization that we’re all just sitting here, watching this unfold as if it were a TikTok video from the third world, and not the fate of our country?
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Here's an Andy McCarthy piece that many forumites will find encouraging.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... erm=second

Democrats’ 2024 Plan Is Working to Perfection

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, September 30, 2023

It is frustrating to watch a slow-motion train wreck. But I’ve repeatedly predicted that the media-Democratic complex would, over the next months, project a Trump 2024 victory, intentionally prompting irrational exuberance in the Trump base and rendering it practically impossible for an electable Republican candidate to emerge. It’s hard not to be depressed, then, watching the GOP execute the game plan exactly as the Democrats drew it up.

Former president Trump has a nine-point lead over President Joe Biden in a recent Washington Post/ABC poll! Yeah, right. So skewed in Trump’s favor is this survey, it’s hilarious — at least until it dawns on you that this nonsense was put out by reliable media-Democratic-complex organs, in the undoubted calculation that Republicans would crow, “See? Trump must be the nominee!” As night follows day, Republicans have fallen for it — as if we inhabit a world where it is fathomable that the deeply unpopular Trump has a nearly double-digit lead over the incumbent president. What could get it to 20 points? Another Capitol riot?

Even the pollsters themselves can’t keep a straight face on this one. ABC dryly observes that any apparent shift in Trump’s direction is “not statistically significant” when one factors in the margin of error as well as the polling outfit’s flawed February and May polls, which had Trump up 48–44 and 49–42, respectively. Translation: If the saps bought those, why wouldn’t they buy this one?

Here is the reality: For the moment, the two-horse race is as close as it is meaningless. “Meaningless” because these polls measure something that is saliently different from the ultimate contest that they purport to forecast. The polls are a snapshot of how, at a moment in time, the candidates fare against each other nationally. Yet the election, which is still 13 months away, will not be national; there will be 50 state elections. If Trump, say, wins Texas by eight points, that won’t make an iota’s difference in Pennsylvania, Georgia, or Wisconsin. That’s why, in a bottom-line sense, it no more matters that Trump may have a slight national polling lead at the moment (and count me skeptical on that) than it did that Hillary Clinton, in her 2016 defeat, got 3 million more votes than Trump, or that Biden, in his 2020 victory, got 7 million more votes than Trump.

Presidential elections are decided not by a cumulative tally of votes but by Electoral College math. More than 150 million Americans will vote in 2024, but the election will be decided by the splits in a handful of battleground states. In the last two cycles, these have been close, with tight elections decided by somewhere between 40,000 and 80,000 votes. But the race won’t be that close in 2024 if the nominee is Trump, the Democrats’ dream candidate, who has spent the last eight years making the battleground states progressively bluer.

The recent neck-and-neck Trump/Biden polls should surprise no one. It has been crystal clear for a couple of years that, because Democrats desperately want Trump to be the Republican nominee, they would do whatever they could, at this stage of the race, to make it look like he could win the general election.

Ta-da!
This is the critical juncture at which Republicans are deciding on their nominee. If Trump looked weak, GOP support could surge for a candidate Democrats fear would be more formidable. Elected Democratic prosecutors and the Biden Justice Department thus began indicting Trump, shrewdly swaddling him in the mantle of political-vendetta victim.

As Democrats had surmised, this galvanized Trump’s base and even drew sympathy from other Republicans — those many who, though not big Trump fans, are not Never Trump, either. Those Republicans, it turns out, are more incensed by the Democrats’ intentionally provocative weaponization of prosecutorial power than they are fond of Trump’s GOP competitors. This diminished those competitors’ already atrophied instinct to take the race to Trump (at least the competitors who might have had a chance). When Democrats saw how well indicting Trump worked, they indicted him again . . . and again . . . and again.

When not indicting him in criminal court, they sued him in civil court. This week, in fact, Judge Arthur Engoron — an elected Democratic hack in Manhattan — imposed the corporate death penalty on Trump’s New York real-estate empire based on the civil-fraud lawsuit brought by Attorney General Letitia James, who had campaigned on a vow to use the power of the office against the Democrats’ archnemesis. Even Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney who has indicted Trump on a ludicrous falsifying-business-records charge, did not believe James’s fraud evidence merited criminal prosecution, given that Trump’s creditors are sophisticated financial actors who were neither fooled nor harmed by his exaggeration of asset values. But James convinced her fellow Democrat, Engoron, to issue a scathing partial-summary-judgment ruling that puts Trump, his two adult sons, and their multibillion-dollar conglomerate out of business — the business the Trump family had run from the Empire State for decades.

No matter how you feel about Trump, this is patently draconian and political. It is authoritarian progressive make-the-process-the-penalty hardball that gets normal people incensed. Every time something like this happens — and it’s been constant for a year — Trump’s lead in the GOP nomination contest grows, to the point where it’s not really a contest right now.

Ergo, Trump has no incentive to debate or do anything that might give his competitors some sunshine. And even though they can’t win without taking him on, they’re too paralyzed by fear of his base to do so — to the point that, at Wednesday night’s cacophonous debate, the Lilliputians figured it was better to bicker about each other than notice that the absent Gulliver had just suggested in a Truth Social post that General Mark Milley, whom Trump himself had appointed Joint Chiefs chairman, merited the “DEATH!!” penalty over back-channel discussions with Chinese commanders toward the chaotic end of Trump’s term. Little wonder the base is tuning out the B-Team. (Have a look at the transcript: The name “Trump” was uttered 21 times during the debate, but it would barely have been mentioned at all had it not been for the moderators and Chris Christie — whose stance as the anti-Trump candidate has gotten him to a whopping 3 percent compared with Trump’s 63 percent in polling of today’s GOP.)

Some of my colleagues look at polls showing that a Biden–Trump rematch looks tight and conclude that the Democrats’ indictment strategy has not been as effective as they’d hoped. With all due respect, if you’re starting to say, “You know, maybe he really can win,” that’s proof that the indictment strategy has worked to perfection.

The Democrats don’t need Biden to beat Trump today. For today, they just need Trump to beat Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, et al. The indictments have helped make that appear inevitable — in fact, it may now be inevitable since Republicans show no sign of snapping out of their “He’s nine points ahead of Biden” trance. Not until this time next year will Democrats need to beat Trump. And man-oh-man are they ever loading up the arsenal for that.

Let’s look at some other polls, courtesy of RealClearPolitics and FiveThirtyEight. Trump is slightly behind Biden in one new poll (Biden up 43–42 in a Morning Consult poll), slightly ahead of Biden in another (Trump up 46–41 in a The Messenger/HarrisX poll), and tied in a few others (NBC News recently had it 46–46; last week Emerson had it knotted at 45, and Yahoo at 44).

If we toss out the absurd Washington Post/ABC poll — the only one that has ever had Trump over 50 percent and significantly ahead of Biden — what we find is that Trump is where he has always been: unable to get to 47 percent. That’s where he was in 2016, when he miraculously won; and that’s where he was in 2020, when he lost — as one would expect someone who gets 46 percent in a two-candidate race to do, even when the Electoral College mitigates the impact of losing California and New York by a combined millions of votes.

Trump remains intensely unpopular nationally, regardless of the devotion of his base that has outsized impact on the GOP nomination contest. His unfavorability rating hovers around 56 percent, with his favorable at stuck at 41, and those numbers have been steady since he left office. And no, it makes no sense to dismiss the Washington Post/ABC poll as the joke it is but simultaneously speculate that it might signal that a positive reappraisal of Trump’s presidency is taking hold.

I don’t believe Trump’s numbers are going to stay flat. They are going to dip by more than three points, maybe much more, by this time next year. That is when Democrats and the media will have begun throwing at him everything they have — everything they have been saving up, and everything they are continuing to accumulate, including the insane Truth Social posts. Few people are paying attention to those at the moment because, even with Trump, Truth Social is a tiny platform. (When Trump got his mug shot in the Georgia case, he posted it on Twitter/X — his first tweet in over two years — because he wanted people to see it.)

Right now, Democrats are holding their fire because they want Trump to be nominated. Once that’s in the bag, however, the onslaught will begin, exacerbated by evidence that will become fully public in one or more criminal trials. By this time next year, Trump may be convicted of one or more felonies. (I may not like Jack Smith’s January 6 case, but I sure like his chances with a Washington, D.C., jury and Judge Tanya Chutkan presiding.) Critically, when this all falls into place, the Democrats’ target audience will no longer be GOP primary voters; it will be the general public that is already decisively predisposed against Trump.

To repeat what I’ve said before, the current polling and the giddy spin on it are meant to deceive us. When crunch time comes, the former president’s numbers are going nowhere but down. That is to say, Trump can’t win. Every time Republicans and conservatives — either out of delusion or dread — say he can win, it’s like a self-fulfilling prophesy that renders it closer to impossible that an electable Republican can be nominated.

To my mind, the one noteworthy thing about the polls is the large number of undecided voters — between 8 and 15 percent of the electorate. That brings us to what’s dynamic in the race: Biden, not Trump. The incumbent president’s favorability ratings have cratered, from 54 percent at the start of his term to 41 percent now. With a commensurate shift in his unfavorability (now up to about 55, compared with 31 when he was sworn in), Biden is now nearly as underwater as Trump.

Here is the difference: Biden could readily regain some ground. Not a lot, but some.

To be sure, the president is never again going to be net popular. (Biden has been a notorious clown for half a century; what made him popular in January 2021 was that he wasn’t Trump.) And yes, things could get worse for him. Biden’s self-made border crisis is intensifying, just as more big blue cities have realized they weren’t serious about being “sanctuaries,” after all. The president has never recovered from his Afghanistan-withdrawal debacle. As the brutal stalemate in Eastern Europe continues, Americans are reminded of how Putin was emboldened by both that debacle and Biden’s jaw-dropping observation that the West was unlikely to do much if Russia conducted a “minor incursion” into Ukraine. Meanwhile, inflation will remain sticky and Biden’s impossible-not-to-notice impairments are worsening. It’s also foreseeable that a long-predicted recession could finally happen, and — as ever — that some war or other crisis we haven’t anticipated could arise.

Then there is the scandal that has led to the House impeachment inquiry, which held its first hearing this week. The proof of Biden-family influence-peddling is getting worse ($24 million raked in from 2014 to 2019 from agents of corrupt and anti-American regimes), and so is the evidence that the Biden Justice Department willfully steered the investigation away from Joe Biden. Hunter Biden has been indicted on gun offenses, and he is now likely to be indicted on tax offenses.

All that said, though, Republicans lacked the votes to approve the impeachment inquiry (which is why Speaker Kevin McCarthy unilaterally authorized it). That is a strong sign that there will never be enough votes to file articles of impeachment. The investigation will plod along for months, which is what Trump allies want: a Biden-corruption investigation in parallel with Trump’s criminal proceedings. But Biden, nevertheless, is set up to claim vindication, there appearing to be little chance of a House impeachment and zero chance of conviction and removal in the Senate.

Biden has two political lifelines. The first is Trump’s lightning-rod effect. The former president is a charismatic, bigger-than-life figure who inspires adoration and abhorrence — not much in between and, unfortunately for him, more of the latter than the former. Trump doesn’t have “unfavorable” ratings like quotidian politicians; he has “loathe him with every ounce of my being” ratings. If you’re writing those voters down as a “maybe” come Election Day, you’re dreaming.

Biden’s second advantage, ironically, is his own smallness. It’s not just that Biden isn’t Trump; he also isn’t Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. He doesn’t excite anyone’s passions, anyone’s intense disapproval, other than the passions and disapproval of conservative political obsessives like us. Americans elected him because the combination of Trump and Covid left them annoyed and exhausted. They don’t much like him, but they don’t much dislike him, either, let alone hate him. We who live and breathe politics and policy discern that Biden has let the woke progressives run rampant; but the public simply doesn’t see him as one of the crazies. Americans who don’t pay much attention to politics (the sizeable majority of Americans) no doubt wish their president was younger and dynamic. Nevertheless, Biden’s staff and the media do a good job of keeping him mostly out of sight and, as presidents go, out of the news — after all, there’s so much Trump news to talk about!

Which is to say, despite all his considerable problems, Biden not only could tick up a bit in the polls, he almost surely will tick up when the media-Democratic complex unleashes its real barrage against Trump a few months from now. The president could beat the former president again just by holding steady because Trump is going to drop. And as for those undecideds? Some of them will hold their noses and vote Biden, some will stay home, but they will not go to Trump. No one in the United States is undecided about Trump. He is probably the most known quantity in American political history.

A number of Republican candidates could beat Biden. Unfortunately, they show no signs of being able to beat Trump in the increasingly small place that, for now, is Trump’s party. But just as Twitter is not real life, the Trump base is not the real America it imagines itself to be. If Republicans nominate Donald Trump, they are guaranteeing four more years of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, with the latter quite probably succeeding the former at some point.

Not to worry, though. Surely Trump can beat Harris in 2028, right?
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old salt wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:42 pm Here's an Andy McCarthy piece that many forumites will find encouraging.
Do you have any pieces from your party mouthpieces where they take full responsibility for why Trump is the leader of your party?

Even one?

You’re all fully grown adults who can do big boy things like go potty without mommy helping, right?

So then why do you keep posting pieces where you act like you slipped on a bar of soap, and accidentally nominated Trump as your President——twice now——and blame everyone and anyone for this nomination other than yourselves?

Not one piece asking “What the heck is wrong with us, and why are we members of this sh)tshow of a party?”

Your party is full on delusional.
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a fan wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:30 am
old salt wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:42 pm Here's an Andy McCarthy piece that many forumites will find encouraging.
Do you have any pieces from your party mouthpieces where they take full responsibility for why Trump is the leader of your party?

Even one?

You’re all fully grown adults who can do big boy things like go potty without mommy helping, right?

So then why do you keep posting pieces where you act like you slipped on a bar of soap, and accidentally nominated Trump as your President——twice now——and blame everyone and anyone for this nomination other than yourselves?

Not one piece asking “What the heck is wrong with us, and why are we members of this sh)tshow of a party?”

Your party is full on delusional.
It's the same reason your Democrats nominated Hillary and then...Biden. It's the same reason we got Bush2.
Look at the donor money and the household names. That's all the nominating committees understand. Sh1tty options all around. I suspect the same thing will happen when Biden drops out.
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Political naivete at best. False equivalency
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OCanada wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:52 am Political naivete at best. False equivalency
Who's being naive?
You think each party is different?
They both only want the consolidation of power and to keep their special-interest sugar daddys happy.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:57 am
OCanada wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:52 am Political naivete at best. False equivalency
Who's being naive?
You think each party is different?
They both only want the consolidation of power and to keep their special-interest sugar daddys happy.
+1 you are in the running for the post of the year.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
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