Because it was a terrible bill that would have hurt tens to hundreds of millions of Americans? Your'e asking why the blue reps didn't screw over their constituents and even the people who don't vote for them?'
Why did the red reps vote against a bipartisan senate bill?
Because it was a terrible bill that would have hurt tens to hundreds of millions of Americans? Your'e asking why the blue reps didn't screw over their constituents and even the people who don't vote for them?'
Why did the red reps vote against a bipartisan senate bill?
I read it, how does it hurt 10's to 100's of millions of Americans?
It included the entire Border Plan (one that we are told over and over the R's never produce) and allowed for provisioned continuation of additional 30+ days to have time to negotiate. Rather than allowing ample time and consideration to process the vote before the clock strikes midnight.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:00 pm
Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....
He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...
So...91 Republicans didn't vote for the 45 day CR put on the floor by McCarthy, all but 1 Dems supported.
They'll need to fix the Ukraine situation shortly, which they'll probably do coupled with some sort of funding for border control. We really could use much more funding of processing judges etc at the border as well as funding to help with simply the local costs of the flow of people needing services. Biden has sent extra troops to support various functions, which can allow law enforcement/border control to focus more on actual bad guys. all takes dough.
Majorities support both.
Big question is what happens Monday AM when Gaetz tries to get McCarthy removed. The hardliners are furious.
Because it was a terrible bill that would have hurt tens to hundreds of millions of Americans? Your'e asking why the blue reps didn't screw over their constituents and even the people who don't vote for them?'
Why did the red reps vote against a bipartisan senate bill?
I read it, how does it hurt 10's to 100's of millions of Americans?
It included the entire Border Plan (one that we are told over and over the R's never produce)
A. it's not a real bill. If it was, it would have been floored under Trump......and passed. And not put in with a gun to everyone's head....but then you know that.
B. what we have told you wouldn't happen was a comprehensive immigration bill. That's not what this is.
That's said? I'm FOR many pieces of it on their face.
But defunding the ability to process ANYTHING to do with immigration, even if that means a denial....is idiotic, and you know that. They put that stuff in so the Dem would vote no.
But again, you know that. What the R's are going to do with the press on this is say thinga like "we want to hold businesses accountable for hiring illegal workers, and the Dems are in the way".
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:00 pm
Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....
He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...
Smart move. Imagine a government where you only have a few minutes to read a bill before having to vote on it. Who can read 90 pages in 15 minutes? Procedure was ridiculous as usual.
“We asked for 90 minutes to simply read the bill. Think how absurd it is that the Republicans made a big deal of a 72-hour rule before you vote on bills. And they literally dropped this bill, with maybe a few minutes to read it,” Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., groused after a Democratic meeting. “Completely hypocritical.”
In the middle of Democrats attempting to buy time to review the legislation, a fire alarm went off, and one of the House office buildings had to be evacuated. There was no fire — just Rep. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., who later said he was "embarrassed to admit that I activated the fire alarm, mistakenly thinking it would open the door."
"This afternoon, the House of Representatives passed a continuing resolution to fund the government for 45 days—until just before Thanksgiving—by a vote of 335 to 91.
The maneuver was a huge blow to the MAGA caucus that was demanding dramatic cuts to the government, the embrace of their border policies, and elimination of Ukraine aid in exchange for keeping the government open. The measure the House passed had almost none of that. It was a clean continuing resolution to fund the government at 2023 levels for another 45 days…with two important exceptions: it added disaster funding, and it stripped out additional funding for Ukraine’s war against Russia.
House speaker Kevin McCarthy’s move was enough of a surprise that Democrats had to scramble even to read it, but it essentially means that McCarthy had to turn away from the MAGA Republicans to whom he has been catering and turn to the Democrats for the votes needed to fund the government.
All but one of the Democrats voted in favor; the lone “no” vote came from Representative Mike Quigley (D-IL), the co-chair of the Ukraine Caucus, whose district has a high percentage of Ukrainian Americans. The unity of the Democrats is notable and a sign of their strength going forward.
In contrast, the Republicans remain divided, but after months of catering to the extremists, today the rest of the conference asserted itself. One hundred and twenty-six Republicans voted in favor of the measure; 90 voted no. That 90 included all the usual suspects on the far right. The vote to pass the measure was a clear rebuke to the MAGA Republicans who had forced their colleagues in swing districts to vote for dramatic and unpopular cuts in services and then refused to fund the government anyway.
House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) said, “The American people have won. The extreme MAGA Republicans have lost. It was a victory for the American people and a complete and total surrender by right-wing extremists who throughout the year have tried to hijack the congress.”
McCarthy, explaining his sudden about-face to work with the Democrats, also blamed the extremists. It was very clear he had done all he could to work with them, he said, but “if you have members in your conference that won’t let you vote for appropriation bills, doesn’t [sic] want an omnibus, and won’t vote for a stopgap measure so the only answer is to shut down and not pay our troops, I don't want to be a part of that team. I want to be part of a conservative group that wants to get things done.”
More colloquially, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) wrote: “Here’s what went down: we just won a clean 45 day gov extension, stripped GOP’s earlier 30% cuts to Social Security admin etc, staved off last minute anti-immigrant hijinks, and averted shutdown (for now). People will get paychecks and MTG threw a tantrum on the way out. Win-win[.]”
Still at stake is funding for Ukraine, but members promise to make sure that happens. “We will get the Ukraine funding next,” Representative Eric Swalwell (D-CA) wrote. “This is a 45-day bill to make sure government is open and troops/cops/air-traffic controllers etc get paid. With the same leverage we used to bear back MAGA, we will keep Ukraine in the fight.”
The issue of funding for Ukraine is not a small one. Former Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) noted that it was on September 30, 1938, that British prime minister Neville Chamberlain announced he would not stand in the way of Adolf Hitler’s annexation of the Sudentenland, a key move in Hitler’s rise. “Members of the House and Senate who are voting to deny Ukraine assistance on the 85th anniversary of Neville Chamberlain’s 1938 “peace in our time” speech should read some history,” she wrote. “Appeasement didn’t work then. It won’t work now.”
The votes should be there for Ukraine aid. Just two days ago, members of the House voted 311 to 117 for Ukraine funding, and the Senate, too, strongly favors Ukraine aid. But there is no doubt the removal of this funding signals that Trump and the MAGA Republicans favor a foreign policy that helps Russian president Vladimir Putin.
The biggest loser in today’s vote was former president Trump, who had urged his loyalists to shut down the government until they got all their demands. He is an agent of chaos and recognized that hurting the nation—including our credit around the world—would make voters more likely to turn against the sitting president.
Getting himself or someone like him back into the White House is becoming his only hope for turning back his legal troubles, especially now that a judge has decided that he, his older sons, a number of associates, and the Trump Organization engaged in fraud that requires the dissolution of many of his businesses. That is a psychic blow as well as a financial one, and he cannot afford either.
The biggest winner is the American people, not only because Congress has agreed to do as the vast majority of us wish and fund the government. It’s far too early to say Republican leadership might really be breaking away from the MAGA crowd, but for today, at least, we can see what’s possible. It is clear at the very least that McCarthy cannot hold the speakership without Democratic votes.
Tonight the Senate also passed the continuing resolution, by an overwhelming vote of 88 to 9. The nine were all Republicans.
President Biden is expected to sign the measure. Tonight he released a statement saying that the agreement would prevent “an unnecessary crisis that would have inflicted needless pain on millions of hardworking Americans. This bill ensures that active-duty troops will continue to get paid, travelers will be spared airport delays, millions of women and children will continue to have access to vital nutrition assistance, and so much more.” “But I want to be clear,” he continued: “[W]e should never have been in this position in the first place. Just a few months ago, Speaker McCarthy and I reached a budget agreement to avoid precisely this type of manufactured crisis. For weeks, extreme House Republicans tried to walk away from that deal by demanding drastic cuts that would have been devastating for millions of Americans. They failed.”
Biden noted that despite the bill’s lack of aid for Ukraine, McCarthy and the overwhelming majority of Congress have been strong supporters of Ukraine. He said, “We cannot under any circumstances allow American support for Ukraine to be interrupted. I fully expect the Speaker will keep his commitment to the people of Ukraine and secure passage of the support needed to help Ukraine at this critical moment.”
At least a few of the precious 45 days afforded by the CR will likely be spent on a motion to vacate the Speaker's chair. Thoughtful legislator and overall good guy Matt Gaetz has promised such a motion for Monday.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:00 pm
Uh-Oh.....There are still images on the net of him....
He says it was "by mistake" (sounds doubtful to me, but he's admitting he did pull it, somehow thinking it would help him open a door faster?)...pretty darn dumb statements are being made calling it akin to Jan 6...
in all of my life working in 100’s of buildings, I have NEVER seen a fire alarm pull station not clearly marked to make ANYONE think otherwise.
me too, though not so many!
I have seen confusing signage in hospitals on elevator doors, button for up or down easily confused with alarm button.
Regardless, but in comparison with actual serious ethics issues, this is a true nothing burger... the GOP can't bring themselves to even expel George Santos.
While I was only half paying attention, I think CNN said McCarthy is the first Speaker in history to be booted out. Seems like para. 1 of his obit material.
