2024

[a fan]

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

And you think this doesn't apply to your game of: "let's only look at crime and problems in big cities"??

This is the state of your world now, YA: all you will see from this day going forward, is what you click on.

So yep, you're gonna see a whole lot of stuff about Dem cities falling apart, and that "the gays" are coming after yer kids.

You won't hear a peep about how rural America has this crime and violence problem, too.

[youthathletics]

The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/

You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.

Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.

You might want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.

Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch.

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities.

[youthathletics]

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

And you think this doesn't apply to your game of: "let's only look at crime and problems in big cities"??

This is the state of your world now, YA: all you will see from this day going forward, is what you click on.

So yep, you're gonna see a whole lot of stuff about Dem cities falling apart, and that "the gays" are coming after yer kids.

You won't hear a peep about how rural America has this crime and violence problem, too.

Yes. because if you fix those crime filled cities, rather than allowing the revolving door of crime take place, we all benefit. A few bad apples, ruin the bunch. Just saw yesterday that DC surpassed Baltimore in crime/murders.....who runs DC?

[MDlaxfan76]

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

And you think this doesn't apply to your game of: "let's only look at crime and problems in big cities"??

This is the state of your world now, YA: all you will see from this day going forward, is what you click on.

So yep, you're gonna see a whole lot of stuff about Dem cities falling apart, and that "the gays" are coming after yer kids.

You won't hear a peep about how rural America has this crime and violence problem, too.

Yes. because if you fix those crime filled cities, rather than allowing the revolving door of crime take place, we all benefit. A few bad apples, ruin the bunch. Just saw yesterday that DC surpassed Baltimore in crime/murders.....who runs DC?

The idiocy of this argument is appalling, as it is so transparent that the effort is partisan, not taking ownership for building solutions. Newsom is correct that we all ‘own’ the problem of underfunding the challenges of poverty and crime, that need not be partisan but “suburban NIMBY “ politics is the problem with policy making. And yes, “progressive “ politics can contribute negatively as well as we are seeing with the non prosecutions of lower level theft.

Murder rates are indeed higher in Miami and Jacksonville than LA, San Fran, and NYC…DC…higher still in Baltimore, DC but all too high.

We all are responsible for these issues. It should not be partisan.

[MDlaxfan76]

The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/

You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.

Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.

You might want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.

Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch.

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities.

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

[youthathletics]

The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/

You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.

Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.

You might want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.

Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch.

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities.

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

Duhhh!

My entire point was stated rather clearly in this thread. To be clear....All states have problems, and if you could clean up the poorly run cities within those states, everyone wins. But who runs those cities cited above.....exactly. If you can not acknowledge the top 10 most dangerous cities are run my democrats, then you are clearly the partisan my man. But no, MD (who can't spell DeSantis' name correctly), can't see the nuance and game Newsome played, then resorts to your standard name-calling (idocy ring a bell?) all while doubling down and further avoiding comment or an oops that you too, were wrong for incorrectly writing a Governors name.

[old salt]

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

Governors, State AG's & State Legislatures have limited authority & influence over elected prosecutors in Dem governed cities (not states).

What's been going on back in my hometown is a classic example.
https://apnews.com/article/kim-gardner- ... 3254087b74

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/ ... orm-227519
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/12-s ... rew-warren
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-just ... -and-order
In Philly : Crime has exploded under Krasner’s pro-criminal policies. Murders are up 63%. Shootings are up 78%.

[kramerica.inc]

The idiocy of this argument is appalling, as it is so transparent that the effort is partisan, not taking ownership for building solutions. Newsom is correct that we all ‘own’ the problem of underfunding the challenges of poverty and crime, that need not be partisan but “suburban NIMBY “ politics is the problem with policy making. And yes, “progressive “ politics can contribute negatively as well as we are seeing with the non prosecutions of lower level theft.

Murder rates are indeed higher in Miami and Jacksonville than LA, San Fran, and NYC…DC…higher still in Baltimore, DC but all too high.

We all are responsible for these issues. It should not be partisan.

We all "own" and are "responsible" for underfunding poverty and high murder rates?

Surely you are talking about the politicians where these issues are rampant, not tax-paying citizens, correct?

[a fan]

The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/

You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.

Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.

You might want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.

Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch.

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities.

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

Duhhh!

My entire point was stated rather clearly in this thread. To be clear....All states have problems, and if you could clean up the poorly run cities within those states, everyone wins. But who runs those cities cited above.....exactly. If you can not acknowledge the top 10 most dangerous cities are run my democrats, then you are clearly the partisan my man. But no, MD (who can't spell DeSantis' name correctly), can't see the nuance and game Newsome played, then resorts to your standard name-calling (idocy ring a bell?) all while doubling down and further avoiding comment or an oops that you too, were wrong for incorrectly writing a Governors name.

What kind of logic is this?

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

As for your question: who runs DC? That would be Congress. You, of all people know the mechanics of how DC is forced to operate.

[old salt]

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliati ... the_cities?
At the start of 2022, 76.1% of the population of the top 100 cities lived in cities with Democratic mayors, and 16.23% lived in cities with Republican mayors, based on 2020 population estimates.

The twenty largest cities by population had the most Democratic mayors and the fewest Republican mayors:

[youthathletics]

The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/

You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.

Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.

You might want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.

Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch.

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities.

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

Duhhh!

My entire point was stated rather clearly in this thread. To be clear....All states have problems, and if you could clean up the poorly run cities within those states, everyone wins. But who runs those cities cited above.....exactly. If you can not acknowledge the top 10 most dangerous cities are run my democrats, then you are clearly the partisan my man. But no, MD (who can't spell DeSantis' name correctly), can't see the nuance and game Newsome played, then resorts to your standard name-calling (idiocy ring a bell?) all while doubling down and further avoiding comment or an oops that you too, were wrong for incorrectly writing a Governors name.

What kind of logic is this?

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

As for your question: who runs DC? That would be Congress. You, of all people know the mechanics of how DC is forced to operate.

It was in response to my initial conversation points.

And thanks for proving my point....it is the politicians fault as you just stated about DC. So. give those Democratic City politicians the blame in all those cities...see, that wasn't hard.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliati ... the_cities?
At the start of 2022, 76.1% of the population of the top 100 cities lived in cities with Democratic mayors, and 16.23% lived in cities with Republican mayors, based on 2020 population estimates.

The twenty largest cities by population had the most Democratic mayors and the fewest Republican mayors:

That is where jobs are.

[a fan]

The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/

You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.

Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.

You might want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.

Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch.

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities.

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

Duhhh!

My entire point was stated rather clearly in this thread. To be clear....All states have problems, and if you could clean up the poorly run cities within those states, everyone wins. But who runs those cities cited above.....exactly. If you can not acknowledge the top 10 most dangerous cities are run my democrats, then you are clearly the partisan my man. But no, MD (who can't spell DeSantis' name correctly), can't see the nuance and game Newsome played, then resorts to your standard name-calling (idiocy ring a bell?) all while doubling down and further avoiding comment or an oops that you too, were wrong for incorrectly writing a Governors name.

What kind of logic is this?

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

As for your question: who runs DC? That would be Congress. You, of all people know the mechanics of how DC is forced to operate.

It was in response to my initial conversation points.

And thanks for proving my point....it is the politicians fault as you just stated about DC. So. give those Democratic City politicians the blame in all those cities...see, that wasn't hard.

Yeah....that's NOT your point. Your point is: Dem run cities are bad. So we're going to look at stats that show they are bad, and ignore that cities all over America have crime problems, regardless of party, and that this crime is just as bad as the stuff happening in big cities.

[a fan]

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliati ... the_cities?
At the start of 2022, 76.1% of the population of the top 100 cities lived in cities with Democratic mayors, and 16.23% lived in cities with Republican mayors, based on 2020 population estimates.

The twenty largest cities by population had the most Democratic mayors and the fewest Republican mayors:

So the plan here is, ignore what I wrote, and double down on large cities run by Dems that have high crime stats, ignore the Dem run cities that have low crime, and pretend like smaller R run cities have no troubles whatsoever. Neat. Swimming in the shallow end of the pool again?

Just write: "Dems are bad", and move on. It saves us both from useless posts.

[old salt]

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliati ... the_cities?
At the start of 2022, 76.1% of the population of the top 100 cities lived in cities with Democratic mayors, and 16.23% lived in cities with Republican mayors, based on 2020 population estimates.

The twenty largest cities by population had the most Democratic mayors and the fewest Republican mayors:

So the plan here is, ignore what I wrote, and double down on large cities run by Dems that have high crime stats, ignore the Dem run cities that have low crime, and pretend like smaller R run cities have no troubles whatsoever. Neat. Swimming in the shallow end of the pool again?

Just write: "Dems are bad", and move on. It saves us both from useless posts.

Ignore the stats & go with your perception. okie dokie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20 ... county.svg

[a fan]

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliati ... the_cities?
At the start of 2022, 76.1% of the population of the top 100 cities lived in cities with Democratic mayors, and 16.23% lived in cities with Republican mayors, based on 2020 population estimates.

The twenty largest cities by population had the most Democratic mayors and the fewest Republican mayors:

So the plan here is, ignore what I wrote, and double down on large cities run by Dems that have high crime stats, ignore the Dem run cities that have low crime, and pretend like smaller R run cities have no troubles whatsoever. Neat. Swimming in the shallow end of the pool again?

Just write: "Dems are bad", and move on. It saves us both from useless posts.

Ignore the stats & go with your perception. okie dokie.

Dems are bad. I get it.

Because it's REALLY hard to find hundreds of cities with low crime run by Democratic mayors, right?

And since you're working with such a high level understanding of American civics here....American mayors are like dictators, right? They just do what they want, and answer to no one, right?

[MDlaxfan76]

The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/

You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.

Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.

You might want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.

Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch.

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities.

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

Duhhh!

My entire point was stated rather clearly in this thread. To be clear....All states have problems, and if you could clean up the poorly run cities within those states, everyone wins. But who runs those cities cited above.....exactly. If you can not acknowledge the top 10 most dangerous cities are run my democrats, then you are clearly the partisan my man. But no, MD (who can't spell DeSantis' name correctly), can't see the nuance and game Newsome played, then resorts to your standard name-calling (idocy ring a bell?) all while doubling down and further avoiding comment or an oops that you too, were wrong for incorrectly writing a Governors name.

The argument is idiocy; I assume you aren't an idiot, in fact I'm darn sure you aren't. But you are seeing this through a partisan, blame the Dems lens, rather than grappling with the actual complexities.

The push back on DeSantis, (yes my phone fingers didn't catch the capitalization of S one of several times mentioning him...as opposed to your now purposeful misspelling of Newsom), is that he was targeting the two largest cities in California, yet not mentioning that two of his largest cities are actually worse...dumb argument, purposely misleading by DeSantis. And yes, 8 of 10 worst states happen to be red...don't blame just the D's in the cities, this is a statewide problem and it clearly isn't driven by anything other than underfunding poverty problems, whether urban or rural, and over enabling guns...much higher rate of gun ownership correlates with murders, as well as suicides...forget the R and D, it's the whole package of issues that need to be addressed instead of partisan finger pointing.

There's plenty of blame to go around, but are you willing to deal with the complexities?

[MDlaxfan76]

The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/

You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.

Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.

You might want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.

Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch.

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities.

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

Duhhh!

My entire point was stated rather clearly in this thread. To be clear....All states have problems, and if you could clean up the poorly run cities within those states, everyone wins. But who runs those cities cited above.....exactly. If you can not acknowledge the top 10 most dangerous cities are run my democrats, then you are clearly the partisan my man. But no, MD (who can't spell DeSantis' name correctly), can't see the nuance and game Newsome played, then resorts to your standard name-calling (idiocy ring a bell?) all while doubling down and further avoiding comment or an oops that you too, were wrong for incorrectly writing a Governors name.

What kind of logic is this?

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

As for your question: who runs DC? That would be Congress. You, of all people know the mechanics of how DC is forced to operate.

It was in response to my initial conversation points.

And thanks for proving my point....it is the politicians fault as you just stated about DC. So. give those Democratic City politicians the blame in all those cities...see, that wasn't hard.

Yeah....that's NOT your point. Your point is: Dem run cities are bad. So we're going to look at stats that show they are bad, and ignore that cities all over America have crime problems, regardless of party, and that this crime is just as bad as the stuff happening in big cities.

Same problem exists in small towns and rural areas of high poverty. Doesn't matter whether D or R.
It ain't the D or R, it's the poverty. And guns.

[MDlaxfan76]

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

Governors, State AG's & State Legislatures have limited authority & influence over elected prosecutors in Dem governed cities (not states).

What's been going on back in my hometown is a classic example.
https://apnews.com/article/kim-gardner- ... 3254087b74

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/ ... orm-227519
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/12-s ... rew-warren
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-just ... -and-order
In Philly : Crime has exploded under Krasner’s pro-criminal policies. Murders are up 63%. Shootings are up 78%.

Yup, plenty of blame to go around...but this, IMO, is a structural jurisdiction issue, which leads to balkanization of interests instead of what is truly needed to address root causes of crime as well as the tactics to combat it. There's no way to suppress "crime" without either total fascist state and removal of weapons or addressing the root causes. We've been unwilling to spend what is required to address root causes, NIMBY thinking...and this enables dumb prosecutorial policies. Frustrating anyone who actually cares.

But do we care? Or do we just want partisan talking points?

[youthathletics]

The Dems tolerance & trivialization of crime is destroying our cities. Combined with the chaos on the border, now streaming into sanctuary cities, ...the Dems are gonna pay on election day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/influence ... a-looting/

You already tried this game with Trump...or have you forgotten so quickly?

We voted the R's in to fix the problem. And they did (drumroll) NOTHING about these problems.

Anyone see Gavin Newsom's comments on this topic post debate?

Miami and Jacksonville each have higher murder rates than San Fran, LA, and NYC.

Indeed, 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates and other violent and proper crime rates are red, not blue.

He then said that he and all in authority need to "own" the problem of rampant theft gangs etc. Needs to be addressed everywhere. He says Dems as well as R's need to "own" this problem and stop it.

States? My ole my, how we use stats to favor an argument. That is the classic 'I failed argument' when you project a collective "we" need to fix this.

Did you happen to see Newsome on 60 Minutes last weekend. He now wants to State Run Conservatorship.

You might want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I didn't see the 60 Minutes interview and am not sure what you mean by "He now wants to State Run Conservatorship". But I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.

Yes, this was in response to (Governor) Desantis attacking this issue specifically about those cities having serious issues and blaming this on Biden and Democrats in general. Note, Jacksonville and Miami are in Florida, DeSantis' state. Miami has a Republican Mayor, BTW.

And yes, trying to make this about Democrats is quite BS, when 8 that are thoroughly dominated by R's are in the top 10 most violent crime states. Clearly Republican management of those states isn't the answer...and surely the President of the full US isn't the problem for those states, right?

And yeah, facts are stubborn things.

Petulant response, with a flex about the spelling error of someone's name. Meanwhile, you might want to learn how to correctly spell DeSantis .....Karma is a beeotch.

DeSantis was correct and Newsome tried to water it down. Oddly, Miami is not in the list from the cite following.....

Top 10 most dangerous cities from 2022, not an R in the bunch (which was my point, not looking at the state overall, which was Newsomes' argument): https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-da ... -in-the-us

(D)1 Memphis Tennessee 624,944 6,974 23,032 11.16
(D)2 Detroit Michigan 626,757 6,000 13,514 9.57
(D) 3 Little Rock Arkansas 201,513 1,739 5,065 8.63
(D) 4 Beaumont Texas 110,898 818 1,821 7.38
(D) 5 Pueblo Colorado 112,618 772 2,999 6.86
(D) 6 Kansas City Missouri 508,856 3,458 11,472 6.80
(D) 7 Lansing Michigan 112,567 732 1,284 6.50
(D) 8 Tacoma Washington 219,027 1,406 8,120 6.42
(D) 9 Cleveland Ohio 363,764 2,324 6,817 6.39
(D) 10 Peoria Illinois 110,551 631 1,945 5.71

Yep, agreed, facts are stubborn things....lots of "d's" next to those cities.

Governors are responsible for entire states, all jurisdictions. 8 of the 10 states with highest murder rates are dominated by Republicans. Those states, their legislators and governors are not models of success.

Duhhh!

My entire point was stated rather clearly in this thread. To be clear....All states have problems, and if you could clean up the poorly run cities within those states, everyone wins. But who runs those cities cited above.....exactly. If you can not acknowledge the top 10 most dangerous cities are run my democrats, then you are clearly the partisan my man. But no, MD (who can't spell DeSantis' name correctly), can't see the nuance and game Newsome played, then resorts to your standard name-calling (idiocy ring a bell?) all while doubling down and further avoiding comment or an oops that you too, were wrong for incorrectly writing a Governors name.

What kind of logic is this?

Look at the numbers. The message is: ALL mayors in every city needs to get off their butts. The idea that this is a Dem problem is laughable. If it was, every R city and State would be perfect, and we would have Dem run cities with next to no crime.

As for your question: who runs DC? That would be Congress. You, of all people know the mechanics of how DC is forced to operate.

It was in response to my initial conversation points.

And thanks for proving my point....it is the politicians fault as you just stated about DC. So. give those Democratic City politicians the blame in all those cities...see, that wasn't hard.

Yeah....that's NOT your point. Your point is: Dem run cities are bad. So we're going to look at stats that show they are bad, and ignore that cities all over America have crime problems, regardless of party, and that this crime is just as bad as the stuff happening in big cities.

It would be far easier on you, if you just said, you are right, the most dangerous cities in the US are indeed run by democrats, just as the statistics point out to us all....& that sucks. Then we can move on to figuring out why that is.....discussing what those democratic high crime cities are doing wrong. I mean, they already tax the hell out of everyone, have tons of socialized offerings, easier on criminals, encourage less police presence, Bloomberg is spoon-feeding them fresh NYU attorneys, I mean what more do you want......maybe offering safe places to do drugs, tent cities, sidewalks as bathrooms, looting stores b/c it feeds families and is payback for not offering legal reoperations. I mean....those places should be thriving with all those great offerings, no?

Clearly, just kidding, but you get the point...this last point was just goal post moving. The initial back and forth was between me and MDLax about DeSantis and Newsom(e) playing games with one another. And MD wanted dig in like an Alabama tick in favor of Newsom(e).

I think we all are in agreeance (that word is for seacoaster1 he hates it ) .....that there are $h1t cities everywhere and unfortunately in each of those cities, it often boils down to an uncontrollable presence of all demos of people...like herding cats. And frankly, I suspect its just a foregone conclusion the pols accept that each state has them and there is not much we CAN do to change it. Not to mention, it benefits them in budgets b/c they can line item more cash each fiscal year.