All things CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

The point is that you do not put blind trust in things or others that ultimately can effect your body.

You also don't weigh all information you take in, and pretend it's all equal in value. It ain't.

And I as I just reminded Tech, you are forgetting that millions of Americans skipped getting advice from their Doctors entirely.

Some because they are poor, and some by choice. THAT is what we are mocking here: those who did that by choice.


I HATE that the poor in America are subjected to so much white noise and stupidity masquerading as helpful Covid medical advice.

And in that thin line between your thoughts and those we present, is the white noise that we also heard during the early times. People were weighing that intel equally, especially those that knew plenty of people that did have it, in their same demo, and walked away just fine in a week or so.

~ People with comorbidities
~ People with cardio and lung issues
~ People with Parkinsons and other diseases
~ The elderly and sedentary

Yes, I understand what you are saying, completely, but you can also not sit back and judge others who weighed their decision 'by choice' to not get a shot if they were not in a concerned demographic.

And I said, clearly, starting when the Vaxx was avaialable...that if your doctor told you not to get the thing, and you didn't? They are doing EXACTLY what I would advise, I'm 1000% behind those people, just as I"m behind folks who do get the shot on the advice of their doctor. It's why I keep saying to ignore Fauci...and listen to the doctor who knows you have valid reasons NOT to get the shot.

I'm also behind those who couldn't afford a doctor, and were stuck with the idiots on the internet. I HATE that they don't have access to doctors, which is yet another example of how F'ed our country is, with no end in sight.

What I'm vehemently against are the selfish ***holes who are telling people to not trust the Doctor, and to use google. And there are MILLIONS of these idiots. And they are KILLING their fellow Americans with this garbage.

We've been talking past each other.

This discussion is focused on personal health. Candidly the last few hundred pages of this thread are. What’s not being discussed is public health, and how protecting more people - even if their odds of personal severe illness is low - can reduce the risk to those with higher risk. Governments have that obligation.

And the answer isn’t for those with co-morbidities to either suck it up and prepare to die, or hibernate.

No argument there, SClax, In fact, the discussion IS out of respect for elders and higher risk individuals. Not a perfect analogy here, but view it like the military......but on an inverse scale; meaning that the majority of those willing and able wanted to go to battle to keep things open and support the country through this tough time. And yes, there are certainly going to be opposing opinions about it. Hear me out, this already took place on a much smaller scale for those tagged 'essential personnel'. Did not miss a day during the duration of lockdowns.

As one of those in that class, was it 'fair' that they considered and mandated us to be at work. Not to mention, of that class of people, during the duration there is not stat to validate this, but the in my network, not one person died...many were sick and returned a week or two later after all the testing.

So the argument was not, screw the old people and let them fend them for themselves, it was 'hey we got you', you sit tight and we'll keep this place running as best we can. If not mistaken, your son is in law enforcement, I would reason to guess he too was immersed in this daily. It'd be interesting to hear if he has the same mindset.

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

[SCLaxAttack]

The point is that you do not put blind trust in things or others that ultimately can effect your body.

You also don't weigh all information you take in, and pretend it's all equal in value. It ain't.

And I as I just reminded Tech, you are forgetting that millions of Americans skipped getting advice from their Doctors entirely.

Some because they are poor, and some by choice. THAT is what we are mocking here: those who did that by choice.


I HATE that the poor in America are subjected to so much white noise and stupidity masquerading as helpful Covid medical advice.

And in that thin line between your thoughts and those we present, is the white noise that we also heard during the early times. People were weighing that intel equally, especially those that knew plenty of people that did have it, in their same demo, and walked away just fine in a week or so.

~ People with comorbidities
~ People with cardio and lung issues
~ People with Parkinsons and other diseases
~ The elderly and sedentary

Yes, I understand what you are saying, completely, but you can also not sit back and judge others who weighed their decision 'by choice' to not get a shot if they were not in a concerned demographic.

And I said, clearly, starting when the Vaxx was avaialable...that if your doctor told you not to get the thing, and you didn't? They are doing EXACTLY what I would advise, I'm 1000% behind those people, just as I"m behind folks who do get the shot on the advice of their doctor. It's why I keep saying to ignore Fauci...and listen to the doctor who knows you have valid reasons NOT to get the shot.

I'm also behind those who couldn't afford a doctor, and were stuck with the idiots on the internet. I HATE that they don't have access to doctors, which is yet another example of how F'ed our country is, with no end in sight.

What I'm vehemently against are the selfish ***holes who are telling people to not trust the Doctor, and to use google. And there are MILLIONS of these idiots. And they are KILLING their fellow Americans with this garbage.

We've been talking past each other.

This discussion is focused on personal health. Candidly the last few hundred pages of this thread are. What’s not being discussed is public health, and how protecting more people - even if their odds of personal severe illness is low - can reduce the risk to those with higher risk. Governments have that obligation.

And the answer isn’t for those with co-morbidities to either suck it up and prepare to die, or hibernate.

No argument there, SClax, In fact, the discussion IS out of respect for elders and higher risk individuals. Not a perfect analogy here, but view it like the military......but on an inverse scale; meaning that the majority of those willing and able wanted to go to battle to keep things open and support the country through this tough time. And yes, there are certainly going to be opposing opinions about it. Hear me out, this already took place on a much smaller scale for those tagged 'essential personnel'. Did not miss a day during the duration of lockdowns.

As one of those in that class, was it 'fair' that they considered and mandated us to be at work. Not to mention, of that class of people, during the duration there is not stat to validate this, but the in my network, not one person died...many were sick and returned a week or two later after all the testing.

So the argument was not, screw the old people and let them fend them for themselves, it was 'hey we got you', you sit tight and we'll keep this place running as best we can. If not mistaken, your son is in law enforcement, I would reason to guess he too was immersed in this daily. It'd be interesting to hear if he has the same mindset.

Good memory, YA. Sadly he’s no longer in law enforcement. His wife took a promotion and they moved from AZ to NJ in Nov 2019. Civil service restrictions in NJ (no reciprocity with other states) meant he had to test into the system, but by the time the 2020 testing was to occur the testing was shut down due to COVID. With the amount of time necessary to test, go through the hiring process interviews and tests, and the entire state academy and not just the law classes because of the lack of reciprocity, he was too old to be eligible. (Ironically NJ waives the age restriction for veterans but not previous law enforcement. You can be a cook or truck driver in the military but eleven years of law enforcement in a different state means nothing.) So he had to change careers. Just this weekend he told me he’d rather be making half of what he does now if he could be back doing what he loved. I told him to pocket all the “extra” money he’s making now, retire ten years earlier to do what he really loves - go fishing.

To loop back to the topic, the combination of COVID and inconsistent reciprocities and rules between states really screwed him.

[youthathletics]

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

Yes.....as did many of our team. Working in mechanical / electrical /LAN rooms. Not to mention, all those people that changed all the HVAC air filters and serviced all the fresh air HVAC equipment.

[runrussellrun]

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

Yes.....as did many of our team. Working in mechanical / electrical /LAN rooms. Not to mention, all those people that changed all the HVAC air filters and serviced all the fresh air HVAC equipment.

Now what ?

TLD has the answer to his question, now what happens?

Boston hired ambulance companies to just drive around with the siren on........just to spread fear porn.

No passengers .

I have video of it.....almost 3 hours I followed on ambulance.

but, since we get answers to our questions, now what ?

Gave away 100's of joints during covid at the methadone mile, just off of 91 and very close to BU's hospital.........ghost town.....same old, same old.

We all have stories....... fuffg

[youthathletics]

The point is that you do not put blind trust in things or others that ultimately can effect your body.

You also don't weigh all information you take in, and pretend it's all equal in value. It ain't.

And I as I just reminded Tech, you are forgetting that millions of Americans skipped getting advice from their Doctors entirely.

Some because they are poor, and some by choice. THAT is what we are mocking here: those who did that by choice.


I HATE that the poor in America are subjected to so much white noise and stupidity masquerading as helpful Covid medical advice.

And in that thin line between your thoughts and those we present, is the white noise that we also heard during the early times. People were weighing that intel equally, especially those that knew plenty of people that did have it, in their same demo, and walked away just fine in a week or so.

~ People with comorbidities
~ People with cardio and lung issues
~ People with Parkinsons and other diseases
~ The elderly and sedentary

Yes, I understand what you are saying, completely, but you can also not sit back and judge others who weighed their decision 'by choice' to not get a shot if they were not in a concerned demographic.

And I said, clearly, starting when the Vaxx was avaialable...that if your doctor told you not to get the thing, and you didn't? They are doing EXACTLY what I would advise, I'm 1000% behind those people, just as I"m behind folks who do get the shot on the advice of their doctor. It's why I keep saying to ignore Fauci...and listen to the doctor who knows you have valid reasons NOT to get the shot.

I'm also behind those who couldn't afford a doctor, and were stuck with the idiots on the internet. I HATE that they don't have access to doctors, which is yet another example of how F'ed our country is, with no end in sight.

What I'm vehemently against are the selfish ***holes who are telling people to not trust the Doctor, and to use google. And there are MILLIONS of these idiots. And they are KILLING their fellow Americans with this garbage.

We've been talking past each other.

This discussion is focused on personal health. Candidly the last few hundred pages of this thread are. What’s not being discussed is public health, and how protecting more people - even if their odds of personal severe illness is low - can reduce the risk to those with higher risk. Governments have that obligation.

And the answer isn’t for those with co-morbidities to either suck it up and prepare to die, or hibernate.

No argument there, SClax, In fact, the discussion IS out of respect for elders and higher risk individuals. Not a perfect analogy here, but view it like the military......but on an inverse scale; meaning that the majority of those willing and able wanted to go to battle to keep things open and support the country through this tough time. And yes, there are certainly going to be opposing opinions about it. Hear me out, this already took place on a much smaller scale for those tagged 'essential personnel'. Did not miss a day during the duration of lockdowns.

As one of those in that class, was it 'fair' that they considered and mandated us to be at work. Not to mention, of that class of people, during the duration there is not stat to validate this, but the in my network, not one person died...many were sick and returned a week or two later after all the testing.

So the argument was not, screw the old people and let them fend them for themselves, it was 'hey we got you', you sit tight and we'll keep this place running as best we can. If not mistaken, your son is in law enforcement, I would reason to guess he too was immersed in this daily. It'd be interesting to hear if he has the same mindset.

Good memory, YA. Sadly he’s no longer in law enforcement. His wife took a promotion and they moved from AZ to NJ in Nov 2019. Civil service restrictions in NJ (no reciprocity with other states) meant he had to test into the system, but by the time the 2020 testing was to occur the testing was shut down due to COVID. With the amount of time necessary to test, go through the hiring process interviews and tests, and the entire state academy and not just the law classes because of the lack of reciprocity, he was too old to be eligible. (Ironically NJ waives the age restriction for veterans but not previous law enforcement. You can be a cook or truck driver in the military but eleven years of law enforcement in a different state means nothing.) So he had to change careers. Just this weekend he told me he’d rather be making half of what he does now if he could be back doing what he loved. I told him to pocket all the “extra” money he’s making now, retire ten years earlier to do what he really loves - go fishing.

To loop back to the topic, the combination of COVID and inconsistent reciprocities and rules between states really screwed him.

Wow.....not sure I like that NJ non-reciprocity rule. Have something similar in our area regarding state licensing board. You can carry a license in MD, and VA & DC will accept reciprocity, but of course WV will not....only accepting reciprocity with Alabama....go figure. Would not be surprised if it harkens back to some unwritten intent to protect family/legacy.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

Yes.....as did many of our team. Working in mechanical / electrical /LAN rooms. Not to mention, all those people that changed all the HVAC air filters and serviced all the fresh air HVAC equipment.

A lot of empty beds?

[youthathletics]

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

Yes.....as did many of our team. Working in mechanical / electrical /LAN rooms. Not to mention, all those people that changed all the HVAC air filters and serviced all the fresh air HVAC equipment.

A lot of empty beds?

Thanks for helping prove my point to SClax. With numerous friends that are nurses those beds for full of the elderly and those with underlying conditions. Those numbers were available in real-time, also captured here. https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... by-age-us/

[Typical Lax Dad]

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

Yes.....as did many of our team. Working in mechanical / electrical /LAN rooms. Not to mention, all those people that changed all the HVAC air filters and serviced all the fresh air HVAC equipment.

A lot of empty beds?

Thanks for helping prove my point to SClax. With numerous friends that are nurses those beds for full of the elderly and those with underlying conditions. Those numbers were available in real-time, also captured here. https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... by-age-us/

Only the elderly were moving around and contracting the virus? They weren’t hunkering down?

[a fan]

Ridiculous spin by you as usual. I never implied anything of the kind and you know damn well.

Right. Your posts are clear and perfect, and you never vague post.

What I mock is those who don't allow (or condemn) any info or ideas presented outside of the church of the medical establishment and/or Big Pharma.

If you're so interested in information, ask a virologist if they'd prefer a 95% vaccine rate or a 60% vaccine rate during a pandemic.

Taking a wild guess, what would you expect them to say? Flooding the market with disinformation drops the number, tech.

And if you're honest about it and admit, I've always been for more info, not less.

Oh, I remember. Flood the market with information. The problem is, you don't understand that that doesn't help in a pandemic.

Use this line of thinking for the MMR vaccine. Pre-2020? Those vaccine rates were 90%+, regardless of demographic. Take that MMR vaccine, and give it the Covid Vaccine treatment-----1,000 different stories from 1,000 different doctors, claiming everything from autism to microchips to sterility, to myocarditis. Flood parents with all this "information" that you think is great.

Then step back, and watch what happens to MMR vaccine rates. How far do you think the vaccine rate would fall, Tech? And then we get polio, mumps, measles, rubella to come back to America. MAGA, right?

You are deaf to any downside to your ideas. Take a look at the death rates in poor counties in the US versus the rich ones. Take a good look and ask yourself what happened. Or don't. Whatever floats your boat.

No we're not, you're talking past yourself.

There's the charm! Apologies, I keep forgetting you post flawlessly, and don't give us a vague statement that's directed at....nothing in particular.

Who's "they"? Of course there are bad actors (always are) and those people will be exposed/marginalized. Discretion is always a good idea anytime one uses the internet, right?

Right. Americans are never fooled by what they see on the internet. Obama's a muslim, the election was faked, and there's a conspiracy to protect Hunter Biden.

And I don't believe your claim that millions died because they got their medical advice from the internet. Some sure, millions? [/color][/b]

Hopkins puts the global death toll at 6,8 million. If you had to guess, how many do you suppose didn't have access to a doctor?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ridiculous spin by you as usual. I never implied anything of the kind and you know damn well.

Right. Your posts are clear and perfect, and you never vague post.

What I mock is those who don't allow (or condemn) any info or ideas presented outside of the church of the medical establishment and/or Big Pharma.

If you're so interested in information, ask a virologist if they'd prefer a 95% vaccine rate or a 60% vaccine rate during a pandemic.

Taking a wild guess, what would you expect them to say? Flooding the market with disinformation drops the number, tech.

And if you're honest about it and admit, I've always been for more info, not less.

Oh, I remember. Flood the market with information. The problem is, you don't understand that that doesn't help in a pandemic.

Use this line of thinking for the MMR vaccine. Pre-2020? Those vaccine rates were 90%+, regardless of demographic. Take that MMR vaccine, and give it the Covid Vaccine treatment-----1,000 different stories from 1,000 different doctors, claiming everything from autism to microchips to sterility, to myocarditis. Flood parents with all this "information" that you think is great.

Then step back, and watch what happens to MMR vaccine rates. How far do you think the vaccine rate would fall, Tech? And then we get polio, mumps, measles, rubella to come back to America. MAGA, right?

You are deaf to any downside to your ideas. Take a look at the death rates in poor counties in the US versus the rich ones. Take a good look and ask yourself what happened. Or don't. Whatever floats your boat.

No we're not, you're talking past yourself.

There's the charm! Apologies, I keep forgetting you post flawlessly, and don't give us a vague statement that's directed at....nothing in particular.

Who's "they"? Of course there are bad actors (always are) and those people will be exposed/marginalized. Discretion is always a good idea anytime one uses the internet, right?

Right. Americans are never fooled by what they see on the internet. Obama's a muslim, the election was faked, and there's a conspiracy to protect Hunter Biden.

And I don't believe your claim that millions died because they got their medical advice from the internet. Some sure, millions? [/color][/b]

Hopkins puts the global death toll at 6,8 million. If you had to guess, how many do you suppose didn't have access to a doctor?

Don’t forget Michelle Obama was a man….



Just putting it out there..

[youthathletics]

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

Yes.....as did many of our team. Working in mechanical / electrical /LAN rooms. Not to mention, all those people that changed all the HVAC air filters and serviced all the fresh air HVAC equipment.

A lot of empty beds?

Thanks for helping prove my point to SClax. With numerous friends that are nurses those beds for full of the elderly and those with underlying conditions. Those numbers were available in real-time, also captured here. https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... by-age-us/

Only the elderly were moving around and contracting the virus? They weren’t hunkering down?

Just a completely ignorantly reply, you asked about hospital beds. And since that answer did not satisfy you or prove your theory wrong, you moved on to another. Done playing your silly game.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

Yes.....as did many of our team. Working in mechanical / electrical /LAN rooms. Not to mention, all those people that changed all the HVAC air filters and serviced all the fresh air HVAC equipment.

A lot of empty beds?

Thanks for helping prove my point to SClax. With numerous friends that are nurses those beds for full of the elderly and those with underlying conditions. Those numbers were available in real-time, also captured here. https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... by-age-us/

Only the elderly were moving around and contracting the virus? They weren’t hunkering down?

Just a completely ignorantly reply, you asked about hospital beds. And since that answer did not satisfy you or prove your theory wrong, you moved on to another. Done playing your silly game.

Synthesize the available information within your scope. You actually proved my theory “right”.

[youthathletics]

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

Yes.....as did many of our team. Working in mechanical / electrical /LAN rooms. Not to mention, all those people that changed all the HVAC air filters and serviced all the fresh air HVAC equipment.

A lot of empty beds?

Thanks for helping prove my point to SClax. With numerous friends that are nurses those beds for full of the elderly and those with underlying conditions. Those numbers were available in real-time, also captured here. https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... by-age-us/

Only the elderly were moving around and contracting the virus? They weren’t hunkering down?

Just a completely ignorantly reply, you asked about hospital beds. And since that answer did not satisfy you or prove your theory wrong, you moved on to another. Done playing your silly game.

Synthesize the available information within your scope. You actually proved my theory “right”.

Prove to us what your theory was, based on my original commenting, where you felt it was incorrectly argued and counter to your belief?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Did you visit any hospitals during COVID?

Yes.....as did many of our team. Working in mechanical / electrical /LAN rooms. Not to mention, all those people that changed all the HVAC air filters and serviced all the fresh air HVAC equipment.

A lot of empty beds?

Thanks for helping prove my point to SClax. With numerous friends that are nurses those beds for full of the elderly and those with underlying conditions. Those numbers were available in real-time, also captured here. https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... by-age-us/

Only the elderly were moving around and contracting the virus? They weren’t hunkering down?

Just a completely ignorantly reply, you asked about hospital beds. And since that answer did not satisfy you or prove your theory wrong, you moved on to another. Done playing your silly game.

Synthesize the available information within your scope. You actually proved my theory “right”.

Prove to us what your theory was, based on my original commenting, where you felt it was incorrectly argued and counter to your belief?

I didn’t use my sarcasm font. In the middle of a shut down, the hospitals were full of elderly and folks with co-morbidities (as if people with co-morbidities don’t work). Your logic implies that the elderly should have hunkered down while you went to work (they were hunkered down) or people with co-morbidities also hunker down (they were hunkered down like everyone else)….since the hospitals were already full of people when we were hunkered down, your logic implies that having more people move around would result in more capacity at hospitals. Maybe “those fat people” in the hospitals were essential workers.

[jhu72]

For the deniers and skeptics, yes a Polio booster is available and recommended for some situations. The state of Polio in the US as of 2022.

History of the Polio Vaccine.

I received the Salk vaccine in the spring of 1956 and the Sabin vaccine in 1961 as part of the government's program to vaccinate school kids in the early 60's. The V1 Salk vaccine protection was recognized to have a lifetime of only a few years, along with other problems. V2 and V3 improved vaccines were developed later in the 50s and 60s. It was nonetheless considered a major success. It was phased out after the US government decided Sabin's vaccine had a number of advantages, including cost.

Well sure... for "some situations." There is probably always a small % of exceptions for most vaccines.

The Tetanus bacteria is everywhere but the vaccine is recommended every ten years. That's ten years though, not every six months (?) like Covid boosters. And, not mRNA tech.

... one of those situations is actually very common according to my physician. People like myself who had completed the original course of vaccine (V1) and the first version of Sabin oral as well in the early 60s and nothing since. Polio is not dead in the US. We have small numbers of cases today and the virus floating in the waste systems of some highly populated areas. We have regressed from the success of the 90s. Some people have decided they don't want to be vaccinated for Polio.

The Polio virus and tetanus aren't mutating, every 6 months.

COVID is not done with the human race. I suspect a number of viruses that we thought we had knocked out and or had under control will decide they are not done with us either. We will have anti-vaxxers to thank for this.

I am waiting for the day, coming soon, when an mRNA vaccine is available for certain cancers.

[a fan]

Astute? Of course govt response/oversight is important during a pandemic. In hindsight how'd we do?

Lockdowns... crippled the economy
Mandates... ruined careers/lives, stressing families and added to mental health issues
Closed schools... set kid's education back years, added to mental health issues in children
Emphasis on a vaccine not ready for prime time
No emphasis on personal health and exercise from leaders... closed parks, beaches, gyms, adding to mental/physical health issues
Masking fiasco

Despite all those drastic actions, approx 1,000,000 covid deaths in US (that number is debatable of course).

We'll never know here in US but different policies/responses could have resulted in better outcomes. E.G., Sweden and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's Great Barrington Declaration (was deemed misinformation and cancelled by the health establishment leaders at time).

Glass half empty take, to the surprise of no one. And factually incorrect, to boot.

And you would have done better, naturally.

[tech37]

Astute? Of course govt response/oversight is important during a pandemic. In hindsight how'd we do?

Lockdowns... crippled the economy
Mandates... ruined careers/lives, stressing families and added to mental health issues
Closed schools... set kid's education back years, added to mental health issues in children
Emphasis on a vaccine not ready for prime time
No emphasis on personal health and exercise from leaders... closed parks, beaches, gyms, adding to mental/physical health issues
Masking fiasco

Despite all those drastic actions, approx 1,000,000 covid deaths in US (that number is debatable of course).

We'll never know here in US but different policies/responses could have resulted in better outcomes. E.G., Sweden and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's Great Barrington Declaration (was deemed misinformation and cancelled by the health establishment leaders at time).

Glass half empty take, to the surprise of no one. And factually incorrect, to boot.
"factually incorrect"? Perhaps. Whose interpretation of whose "facts" you goin by these days?

And you would have done better, naturally.
Would expect this sort of comment from a highschooler. You won't get it but it's not about me a fan.

[tech37]

And if you're honest about it and admit, I've always been for more info, not less.

Oh, I remember. Flood the market with information. The problem is, you don't understand that that doesn't help in a pandemic.
There it is... classic a fan straw man nonsense. No one ever suggested anything close to "Flood the market with information." Read this carefully a fan... as I've said before, I consider people with bona fides who live outside of the mainstream medical bureaucracy who have differing opinions and ideas. Discretion is always advised. I consider what opposing people say as compared to what is presented with the medical establishment, govt, and MSM narrative.

That should be clear now.

[runrussellrun]

Astute? Of course govt response/oversight is important during a pandemic. In hindsight how'd we do?

Lockdowns... crippled the economy
Mandates... ruined careers/lives, stressing families and added to mental health issues
Closed schools... set kid's education back years, added to mental health issues in children
Emphasis on a vaccine not ready for prime time
No emphasis on personal health and exercise from leaders... closed parks, beaches, gyms, adding to mental/physical health issues
Masking fiasco

Despite all those drastic actions, approx 1,000,000 covid deaths in US (that number is debatable of course).

We'll never know here in US but different policies/responses could have resulted in better outcomes. E.G., Sweden and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's Great Barrington Declaration (was deemed misinformation and cancelled by the health establishment leaders at time).

Glass half empty take, to the surprise of no one. And factually incorrect, to boot.

And you would have done better, naturally.

Proof that you and the usual suspects are closed minded zealots........specifically b/c you never , ever, answer our questions.
(even tho you claim questions are good fuffg

So, go on, afan......back up your declarative statement with some points. break each one down.

Lockdowns...crippled the economy. Go on, afan......."prove" that this isn't the case .

Now, of course....these are all opinions..........but, curios as to why you NEVER answer these specifics questions. Back yourself up.

What IS factually incorrect?

(afan: pro tip, you can write "and factually incorrect" on so many posters, you just choose only certain "types" I mean, for F's sake, some posters STILL, to this day, type comments like " only the unvaccinated get covid" and crap like that ........just crickets from you. )

Dr. B. really went to bat for the US Constitution.....and WON. The commie creeps don't want to talk about THAT fuffg

[runrussellrun]

And if you're honest about it and admit, I've always been for more info, not less.

Oh, I remember. Flood the market with information. The problem is, you don't understand that that doesn't help in a pandemic.
There it is... classic a fan straw man nonsense. No one ever suggested anything close to "Flood the market with information." Read this carefully a fan... as I've said before, I consider people with bona fides who live outside of the mainstream medical bureaucracy who have differing opinions and ideas. Discretion is always advised. I consider what opposing people say as compared to what is presented with the medical establishment, govt, and MSM narrative.

That should be clear now.

Now that many professors have "retired", and medical professionals as well.....so many many more...those that kept silent just to keep their jobs and make it full benefits, serverance. Or until the offspring graduate, or get in,........either way, the usual suspects will ignore. as always, what these people are NOW saying. 90 year old genious chemist Dad brought the subject up....... I asked him why he took the "jab" than ? fear porn, and well, he was 87 (?)....a widower....so what did he have to loose? I replied " respect" fuffg

Science is everchanging, on going. Especially with a NEVER used drug on the entire human population (Africa ??? JUST STFUP and ignore that venmo and youtube BANNED the documentary "Anectodes". Now, why would they do that ? questions are good. why would the two largest video platforms for the USA BAN a movie, showing people injured , very possibly, from tRumps Warp Speed shot.

" It works so fast.....even the variants can't outrun it" .....who couldn't just smell tRump saying this

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is an example of a actively employed Professor being silenced........he just respected public health and we doubt that any of the usual suspects, have ever gazed or researched his Berkshire Binghamton Project.

Or hit the link I provided. Dr. B's link: https://www.illusionconsensus.com/podcast