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old salt wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:52 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:01 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 pm It's not Hunter's fault. It's the gun's fault.
Poor Hunter is an addict, not responsible for his own actions.
The picture of him in his laptop, standing naked, holding the gun, with the hammer cocked, is a Russian fake.
He was no danger. His mistress/widowed sister-in-law panicked that he had a gun in the house with kids,
so she threw it in a dumpster across from a school. No problem. The Secret Service alerted the DE State Police & they recovered the gun.
Poor Hunter is just the victim of a political vendetta.
Too bad the Navy lost such a fine young 42 year old Ensign.
This is being filed just prior to the 5 year SOL expiring because an unprecedented plea deal blew up.
Sure, the Biden DoJ wasn't covering this up. :roll:

https://www.insideedition.com/media/vid ... dgun-77324
Your propaganda network has now moved from National Review to Inside Edition? Congratulations. Is TMZ next for you? or the Internet Research Agency?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Who cares. It's one of the only sources with the guts to publish a photo of Hunter with a cocked pistol in his sweaty paw.
I couldn't find the one with the full pic of him standing naked, holding it in a hotel room with a hooker.
If it was the NYT you'd still claim it was Russian disinformation.

You may have noticed, now that Hunter has finally been indicted, all your credible news sources have suddenly discovered that Pop Joe is too old for another term. Get him to pardon Hunter & announce he won't run again, so they can go back to looking the other way & concentrate on Trump.
You misunderstand the ownership and purpose of the media, don't you? Whose interests do you think they serve? With the exception of few, small, locally owned and operated (editorial control), most are just mechanisms for specific ideation and propaganda. Always been that way. Difference is today the opinions advanced are more likely to have little to nothing to do with personal belief and conviction.

An interesting point is that as literacy has bloomed and ebbed, the outlets target their message for the self-selecting consuming audience, i.e. Faux news infotainment vs. NYTimes. The days of pamphleteering and advancement of interesting ideas amongst a relatively small group of the literate are long passed. Not many Thomas Paines working today...
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:44 am
old salt wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:52 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:01 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 pm It's not Hunter's fault. It's the gun's fault.
Poor Hunter is an addict, not responsible for his own actions.
The picture of him in his laptop, standing naked, holding the gun, with the hammer cocked, is a Russian fake.
He was no danger. His mistress/widowed sister-in-law panicked that he had a gun in the house with kids,
so she threw it in a dumpster across from a school. No problem. The Secret Service alerted the DE State Police & they recovered the gun.
Poor Hunter is just the victim of a political vendetta.
Too bad the Navy lost such a fine young 42 year old Ensign.
This is being filed just prior to the 5 year SOL expiring because an unprecedented plea deal blew up.
Sure, the Biden DoJ wasn't covering this up. :roll:

https://www.insideedition.com/media/vid ... dgun-77324
Your propaganda network has now moved from National Review to Inside Edition? Congratulations. Is TMZ next for you? or the Internet Research Agency?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Who cares. It's one of the only sources with the guts to publish a photo of Hunter with a cocked pistol in his sweaty paw.
I couldn't find the one with the full pic of him standing naked, holding it in a hotel room with a hooker.
If it was the NYT you'd still claim it was Russian disinformation.

You may have noticed, now that Hunter has finally been indicted, all your credible news sources have suddenly discovered that Pop Joe is too old for another term. Get him to pardon Hunter & announce he won't run again, so they can go back to looking the other way & concentrate on Trump.
You misunderstand the ownership and purpose of the media, don't you? Whose interests do you think they serve? With the exception of few, small, locally owned and operated (editorial control), most are just mechanisms for specific ideation and propaganda. Always been that way. Difference is today the opinions advanced are more likely to have little to nothing to do with personal belief and conviction.

An interesting point is that as literacy has bloomed and ebbed, the outlets target their message for the self-selecting consuming audience, i.e. Faux news infotainment vs. NYTimes. The days of pamphleteering and advancement of interesting ideas amongst a relatively small group of the literate are long passed. Not many Thomas Paines working today...you are very wrong, or were. "they" just would have closed Paines paypal account and froze his credit card. Or, NOT supported his webpage with Federally paid for servers. essential, during covid......
The beauty of media "ownership", and the US Constitutions First Amendment, IS that anyone can have "interests" supported.

commies do ten year plans....roughly. The internet. A book and scientific history burning venue. Suppression of thoughts and ideas, is something you and yours are very very proud of. Because it IS here.

Isn't this entire thread about the Hunter Laptop suppression ? Yup.
What internet platform is gonna allow Rudy to post video's of Hunter smoking crack, holding a gun ? If big boy Rudy was so tough tough tough.

You understand the ownership and purpose of the internet, don't you ? Aware and congnesant of the smelly fact the "platforms" have shut down websites, are we?

I want to post a video, teaching lacrosse coaches how to coach more efficiently. because of my past covid videos (proven to be accurate ), vinmeo and youtube have banned anything attached to my name or numbers. So, where do I go ? I expect traffic, peak, to be at least 13, maybe 17. Who has the server capacity to handle this volume ?

Oh....right....youtube, and also family run smoogles "shadow banning" drop down suppression searching.......stuff didn't happen either.

Yeah.....Bill Barr is a Trump guy :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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Hunter's minor tax misdemeanors. :roll:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hunter-bid ... e-d8813133
...testimony from two IRS whistleblowers about their investigation of Hunter’s taxes. Hunter agreed to plead guilty last week to two misdemeanor charges of “willful failure” to pay some $200,000 in tax for years 2017 and 2018.

The agents reported that an IRS team in January 2022 finalized a document of some 80 pages recommending that Hunter be charged with tax violations for each of his six tax returns from 2014 through 2019.

IRS supervisory special agent Gary Shapley said Hunter’s 2014 and 2015 returns involved a “scheme to evade his income taxes through a partnership with a convicted felon.” At issue was the $83,000 a month Hunter received to sit on the board of Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company. The second (anonymous) whistleblower explained that in 2014 Hunter arranged a series of “sham” transactions so he “didn’t report any of the money he earned from Burisma”—about $400,000 in 2014.

The whistleblowers say Hunter directed Burisma to pay his money to Rosemont Seneca Bohai, or RSB, an entity owned by his business partner Devon Archer, who was convicted of fraud in 2018. They say RSB would send the money to Hunter, who then “booked it as a loan.” One obvious tax problem, explains the second whistleblower, is that “you can’t loan yourself your own money.”

Mr. Shapley says this loan ruse is a “textbook” evasion scheme, something “I learned at basic training.” When someone claims a payment is a loan for tax purposes, the IRS looks for three things: You’ve “got to have a promissory note, you got to have defined interest, and you got to have repayments,” Mr. Shapley says. In Hunter’s case, “none of those were included.” RSB also booked the payment as an “expense”—meaning that “even the two parties didn’t treat it the same way.”

The committee also released an email showing that another Hunter business partner, Eric Schwerin, told Hunter in 2017 that Hunter had “unreported Burisma income” and needed to “amend your 2014 returns.” Hunter ignored the warning and later that year ended his relationship with Mr. Schwerin.

The second whistleblower says 2014 records show RSB paid more than $10,000 in Hunter medical bills, and purchased a $142,000 Porsche for Hunter’s benefit via other money from a Kazakhstan businessman. The whistleblower says Hunter didn’t report this as income.

The IRS team recommended that Hunter be prosecuted on felony charges of tax evasion for 2014 and false tax filings and a misdemeanor charge for 2015 of failure to pay tax. Yet because the U.S. Attorney waited so long to make a prosecutorial decision, the six-year statute of limitations expired. Hunter thus won’t pay taxes on more than $400,000 in unreported income for these years. Mr. Shapley says: “The purposeful exclusion of the 2014 and 2015 years sanitized the most substantive criminal conduct and concealed material facts.”

Also notable are Hunter’s filings in 2018 and 2019, for which the IRS team also recommended felony charges of tax evasion and false returns. The second whistleblower testified that Hunter underreported his income for 2018 by anywhere from $267,000 to $500,000—depending on how conservatively the IRS counted. He did this, claims the whistleblower, by falsifying “business” deductions.

The whistleblower says this included deducting thousands paid to “no-show employees”—including “a prostitute” that Hunter claimed was a “West Coast assistant.” He deducted $10,000 for a “golf club member deposit,” money that IRS agents say “went to pay for a sex club.” He deducted $30,000 for a child’s Columbia University tuition. He also deducted a hotel room for who agents believed to be “one of his drug dealers,” hotel rooms for his girlfriend at the time, and two nights for “a hotel room for his dad, Joe Biden.”

The IRS agents say they also saw correspondence showing Hunter in that year attempting to describe income as a “loan”—though this time his accountants rejected the request. All told, the IRS team recommended that Hunter face felony charges for 2014, 2018 and 2019. They also recommended misdemeanor charges for “failure to file or pay” for five of the six years.

Democrats defend Hunter by saying that he ended up paying much of his back taxes prior to this plea deal, thanks to a $2 million loan from a Hollywood lawyer. But the second whistleblower explained the IRS view of after-the-fact efforts to get straight with tax authorities. He was asked during testimony: “If someone meets all the elements for a crime of willful evasion and are found to, in conjunction with that, owe a liability, and they pay off that liability years later when they’ve been caught, has a crime still been committed?”

The whistleblower’s response: “Yes.”
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Internet searches

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Some posters think that EVERYTHING can be found online, via the internet.

Even if paying for access, like many STEM (publically funded :twisted: websites do. , the actual information just simply isn't there.

IE: the weak law, the STOCK act....had an add on amendment. ALL requests must be done in person. All records, must be reviewed in person.

We would imagine, other agencies, have similar in person only policies.

Like the IRS. Good luck finding recent "not for Profit" 990 tax returns on the IRS website.

Would imagine 990 tax forms, especially for public colleges, would have details as to what student athletes are getting paid via the NIL ;)

anyway......taats IS pushing Joe out the door. Gotta be super stressful for Joe, knowing the things the DNC can do. Joe Biden will NOT be the Democratic candidate. bank on it. (fortunately, neither will covid Don T. )

still find it strange that people are defending this guy.....at all. What is the benefit ?
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:00 am
old salt wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:52 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:01 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 pm It's not Hunter's fault. It's the gun's fault.
Poor Hunter is an addict, not responsible for his own actions.
The picture of him in his laptop, standing naked, holding the gun, with the hammer cocked, is a Russian fake.
He was no danger. His mistress/widowed sister-in-law panicked that he had a gun in the house with kids,
so she threw it in a dumpster across from a school. No problem. The Secret Service alerted the DE State Police & they recovered the gun.
Poor Hunter is just the victim of a political vendetta.
Too bad the Navy lost such a fine young 42 year old Ensign.
This is being filed just prior to the 5 year SOL expiring because an unprecedented plea deal blew up.
Sure, the Biden DoJ wasn't covering this up. :roll:

https://www.insideedition.com/media/vid ... dgun-77324
Your propaganda network has now moved from National Review to Inside Edition? Congratulations. Is TMZ next for you? or the Internet Research Agency?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Who cares. It's one of the only sources with the guts to publish a photo of Hunter with a cocked pistol in his sweaty paw.
I couldn't find the one with the full pic of him standing naked, holding it in a hotel room with a hooker.
If it was the NYT you'd still claim it was Russian disinformation.

You may have noticed, now that Hunter has finally been indicted, all your credible news sources have suddenly discovered that Pop Joe is too old for another term. Get him to pardon Hunter & announce he won't run again, so they can go back to looking the other way & concentrate on Trump.
Ooohhh oooh weeeee…..Too bad you can’t get down anymore? What else did you come across when “searching” for “Hunter Biden Naked With Gun”? How long did you linger?
Here ya go.

https://nypost.com/web-stories/nude-hun ... president/
https://nypost.com/2022/06/06/naked-hun ... un-photos/

Hunter had a good time with his unloaded pistol in the 11 days he had it, before his widowed sister-in-law paramour took it & ditched it.
No potential danger.
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:00 am
old salt wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:52 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:01 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 pm It's not Hunter's fault. It's the gun's fault.
Poor Hunter is an addict, not responsible for his own actions.
The picture of him in his laptop, standing naked, holding the gun, with the hammer cocked, is a Russian fake.
He was no danger. His mistress/widowed sister-in-law panicked that he had a gun in the house with kids,
so she threw it in a dumpster across from a school. No problem. The Secret Service alerted the DE State Police & they recovered the gun.
Poor Hunter is just the victim of a political vendetta.
Too bad the Navy lost such a fine young 42 year old Ensign.
This is being filed just prior to the 5 year SOL expiring because an unprecedented plea deal blew up.
Sure, the Biden DoJ wasn't covering this up. :roll:

https://www.insideedition.com/media/vid ... dgun-77324
Your propaganda network has now moved from National Review to Inside Edition? Congratulations. Is TMZ next for you? or the Internet Research Agency?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Who cares. It's one of the only sources with the guts to publish a photo of Hunter with a cocked pistol in his sweaty paw.
I couldn't find the one with the full pic of him standing naked, holding it in a hotel room with a hooker.
If it was the NYT you'd still claim it was Russian disinformation.

You may have noticed, now that Hunter has finally been indicted, all your credible news sources have suddenly discovered that Pop Joe is too old for another term. Get him to pardon Hunter & announce he won't run again, so they can go back to looking the other way & concentrate on Trump.
Ooohhh oooh weeeee…..Too bad you can’t get down anymore? What else did you come across when “searching” for “Hunter Biden Naked With Gun”? How long did you linger?
"...I know a guy..." TLD, now we understand the sympathy and support you shine on Hunty Biden. You must "know a guy" that , deep in his "heart of hearts".....IS a good guy.....just a drug addict.

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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:43 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:57 pm It's not Hunter's fault. It's the gun's fault.
Poor Hunter is an addict, not responsible for his own actions.
The picture of him in his laptop, standing naked, holding the gun, with the hammer cocked, is a Russian fake.
He was no danger. His mistress/widowed sister-in-law panicked that he had a gun in the house with kids,
so she threw it in a dumpster across from a school. No problem. The Secret Service alerted the DE State Police & they recovered the gun.
Poor Hunter is just the victim of a political vendetta.
Too bad the Navy lost such a fine young 42 year old Ensign.
This is being filed just prior to the 5 year SOL expiring because an unprecedented plea deal blew up.
Sure, the Biden DoJ wasn't covering this up. :roll:


https://www.insideedition.com/media/vid ... dgun-77324
But OS !... "Weiss was appointed by Trump" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh, it was totally a conspiracy. Which explains why we're discussing a nearly ten year old tax case during election season, and Biden is falling in the polls.

I'd also suggest to keep voting for Republicans so that you can install guys from your team to DoJ and FBI posts, but alas, you're telling us that that doesn't work either.

Must be rough. You guys just can't catch a break, and no matter what, they're out to get you.
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old salt wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:43 am Hunter's minor tax misdemeanors. :roll:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hunter-bid ... e-d8813133
...testimony from two IRS whistleblowers about their investigation of Hunter’s taxes. Hunter agreed to plead guilty last week to two misdemeanor charges of “willful failure” to pay some $200,000 in tax for years 2017 and 2018.

The agents reported that an IRS team in January 2022 finalized a document of some 80 pages recommending that Hunter be charged with tax violations for each of his six tax returns from 2014 through 2019.

IRS supervisory special agent Gary Shapley said Hunter’s 2014 and 2015 returns involved a “scheme to evade his income taxes through a partnership with a convicted felon.” At issue was the $83,000 a month Hunter received to sit on the board of Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company. The second (anonymous) whistleblower explained that in 2014 Hunter arranged a series of “sham” transactions so he “didn’t report any of the money he earned from Burisma”—about $400,000 in 2014.

The whistleblowers say Hunter directed Burisma to pay his money to Rosemont Seneca Bohai, or RSB, an entity owned by his business partner Devon Archer, who was convicted of fraud in 2018. They say RSB would send the money to Hunter, who then “booked it as a loan.” One obvious tax problem, explains the second whistleblower, is that “you can’t loan yourself your own money.”

Mr. Shapley says this loan ruse is a “textbook” evasion scheme, something “I learned at basic training.”
:lol: So if this was such a simple case, what what the holdup?

Funny they bring up Archer. They indicted him after just one year of investigating, which I was told was impossible.

Must've been a Xmas miracle, because this IRS agent is telling us that this is as basic of a tax case as there is when it comes to Hunter, and it took (checks notes) not one year as it did Archer....but FOUR YEARS for these guys to put together a case on Hunter....and even then, they didn't indict.

A coincidence, I'm sure. I forget: how is Joe Biden polling of late?
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:47 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:17 am I wonder how long before more charges against Hunter are made public?? I noticed Joe and Hunter walking down the stairs from AF One. They were both sporting their Ray Bans. They looked so cute, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber... :lol: I use to love my Ray Bans, gonna stick with Wayfarers from now on. That weekend at Bernies look is so out of style. :D
Great post.
And that my friends, demonstrates the utter ignorance of many the posts made over the years by this respected forum member. It captures it perfectly.
I'm looking forward to your same stinging commentary about the similar posters and posts made about Trump and his children, ad nauseum, on this forum.
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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kramerica.inc wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:47 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:17 am I wonder how long before more charges against Hunter are made public?? I noticed Joe and Hunter walking down the stairs from AF One. They were both sporting their Ray Bans. They looked so cute, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber... :lol: I use to love my Ray Bans, gonna stick with Wayfarers from now on. That weekend at Bernies look is so out of style. :D
Great post.
And that my friends, demonstrates the utter ignorance of many of the posts made over the years by this respected forum member. It captures it perfectly.
I'm looking forward to your same stinging commentary about the similar posters and posts made about Trump and his children, ad nauseum, on this forum.
I see you missed the point of my post…..
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:40 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:47 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:17 am I wonder how long before more charges against Hunter are made public?? I noticed Joe and Hunter walking down the stairs from AF One. They were both sporting their Ray Bans. They looked so cute, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber... :lol: I use to love my Ray Bans, gonna stick with Wayfarers from now on. That weekend at Bernies look is so out of style. :D
Great post.
And that my friends, demonstrates the utter ignorance of many of the posts made over the years by this respected forum member. It captures it perfectly.
I'm looking forward to your same stinging commentary about the similar posters and posts made about Trump and his children, ad nauseum, on this forum.
I see you missed the point of my post…..
point being you can personal insult others....all day long.........

that IS the point of your post, yes? to prove how ignorant another person is. Didnt' the Referee warn us all about stopping this kind of response?

yet....you persist it these types of responses, all day long. actually comical.....the application of "rules" .

Prior offenses are getting tossed out of the military for doing illegal drugs. naughty naughty he wanted a handgun. Why ?

Does Jared K. own any firearms? How about the kid.....Don Jr. ? He kill animals for fun ?
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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kramerica.inc wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:47 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:17 am I wonder how long before more charges against Hunter are made public?? I noticed Joe and Hunter walking down the stairs from AF One. They were both sporting their Ray Bans. They looked so cute, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber... :lol: I use to love my Ray Bans, gonna stick with Wayfarers from now on. That weekend at Bernies look is so out of style. :D
Great post.
And that my friends, demonstrates the utter ignorance of many the posts made over the years by this respected forum member. It captures it perfectly.
I'm looking forward to your same stinging commentary about the similar posters and posts made about Trump and his children, ad nauseum, on this forum.
Hmmm, Brooklyn pretty often gets called out when he's over the top, right?

But yeah, some posts that get made are quite inane and ignorant...I don't see any reason in not calling that out as well.

Better not to call the poster some nasty name as that's not productive, but please everyone, how about making cogent, coherent and on topic points when you post? How about bothering to actually provide some facts and logic to the discussion? Not junk for jollies.

How about actually reading and considering what people post, the links they provide, without dunking on them without bothering to do either?

Yeah, that's probably too much to ask, as sometimes we just need to get something off our chests, maybe we think something is actually funny, whatever...but how about at least sometimes trying?

we're not going to agree all the time, but maybe we can learn something...

BTW, IMO this forum is worlds better discussion than most social media cesspools...something maybe we should appreciate...
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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njbill wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:08 am
lagerhead wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 7:21 pm
njbill wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 5:03 pm Frothers, hold your fire. These charges are going to be dismissed as unconstitutional under Clarence Thomas’s ruling. Oh, the irony.
He lied in the application process. He’s not a felon found in possession, they didn’t indict him for possession in my reading of the indictment. How is it unconstitutional? And his wife at the time thought he was a danger, why else would she throw out the gun?

And if I were dems I’d go after every gun owner who has purchased weed in states where it’s legal. Owning a gun is a federal right MJ still a fed crime.
Count 3 of the indictment charges him with illegally possessing a gun when he was a drug abuser. The law on which that count is based is very arguably unconstitutional.

As to the counts alleging he lied on the gun application, the argument would be that since the underlying law prohibiting drug abusers from possessing guns is unconstitutional, the corresponding question on the application form is similarly unconstitutional. There would be no valid federal purpose to ask a question about a circumstance that is not illegal. Alternatively, any lie would be immaterial to any valid criminal law. In other words, what difference does it make if you are a drug abuser if drug abusers are legally permitted to own guns?

This analogy is by no means perfect, but if you fill out an application for a driver’s license and state that your driving privileges are not suspended in another state when they are, that would be a material falsehood. If you state that your eyes are brown when they are really blue, I would think that would be an immaterial falsehood and not subject to criminal prosecution.

According to Biden’s lawyer, he believes there is an enforceable agreement with the Government relating to the gun charges. That issue will need to be resolved by the court. Not sure if that issue is triable by a jury, but it may be.

While this seems to be a clear case of selective prosecution, that defense is very difficult to prove. Biden may be able to put that issue to the jury, however. The facts are pretty compelling. According to his lawyer, he only owned the gun for 11 days and it was never loaded. Not sure if anyone in the country has ever been prosecuted under those circumstances. A Delaware jury might be sympathetic to that argument. At least there could be one or more holdouts, forcing a mistrial.

Lastly, while the conventional wisdom seems to be that Hunter was a drug abuser, I’m not sure what the government’s proof of that would be at trial. Maybe they would call his ex-wife, but that could be dicey as her allegiance is likely with Joe.
Thanks for those suppositions.
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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:07 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:47 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:17 am I wonder how long before more charges against Hunter are made public?? I noticed Joe and Hunter walking down the stairs from AF One. They were both sporting their Ray Bans. They looked so cute, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber... :lol: I use to love my Ray Bans, gonna stick with Wayfarers from now on. That weekend at Bernies look is so out of style. :D
Great post.
And that my friends, demonstrates the utter ignorance of many the posts made over the years by this respected forum member. It captures it perfectly.
I'm looking forward to your same stinging commentary about the similar posters and posts made about Trump and his children, ad nauseum, on this forum.
Hmmm, Brooklyn pretty often gets called out when he's over the top, right?

But yeah, some posts that get made are quite inane and ignorant...I don't see any reason in not calling that out as well.

Better not to call the poster some nasty name as that's not productive, but please everyone, how about making cogent, coherent and on topic points when you post? How about bothering to actually provide some facts and logic to the discussion? Not junk for jollies.

How about actually reading and considering what people post, the links they provide, without dunking on them without bothering to do either?

Yeah, that's probably too much to ask, as sometimes we just need to get something off our chests, maybe we think something is actually funny, whatever...but how about at least sometimes trying?

we're not going to agree all the time, but maybe we can learn something...

BTW, IMO this forum is worlds better discussion than most social media cesspools...something maybe we should appreciate...
Most people don’t seem to realize that Cradle doesn’t realize that Wayfarers are Ray Bans……. He said he used to like Ray Bans but now he’s sticking with Wayfarers after seeing Joe in Ray Ban….. perhaps Cradles should have referred to Joe’s glasses as Aviators…..
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:39 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:07 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:47 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:17 am I wonder how long before more charges against Hunter are made public?? I noticed Joe and Hunter walking down the stairs from AF One. They were both sporting their Ray Bans. They looked so cute, tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber... :lol: I use to love my Ray Bans, gonna stick with Wayfarers from now on. That weekend at Bernies look is so out of style. :D
Great post.
And that my friends, demonstrates the utter ignorance of many the posts made over the years by this respected forum member. It captures it perfectly.
I'm looking forward to your same stinging commentary about the similar posters and posts made about Trump and his children, ad nauseum, on this forum.
Hmmm, Brooklyn pretty often gets called out when he's over the top, right?

But yeah, some posts that get made are quite inane and ignorant...I don't see any reason in not calling that out as well.

Better not to call the poster some nasty name as that's not productive, but please everyone, how about making cogent, coherent and on topic points when you post? How about bothering to actually provide some facts and logic to the discussion? Not junk for jollies.

How about actually reading and considering what people post, the links they provide, without dunking on them without bothering to do either?

Yeah, that's probably too much to ask, as sometimes we just need to get something off our chests, maybe we think something is actually funny, whatever...but how about at least sometimes trying?

we're not going to agree all the time, but maybe we can learn something...

BTW, IMO this forum is worlds better discussion than most social media cesspools...something maybe we should appreciate...
Most people don’t seem to realize that Cradle doesn’t realize that Wayfarers are Ray Bans……. He said he used to like Ray Bans but now he’s sticking with Wayfarers after seeing Joe in Ray Ban….. perhaps Cradles should have referred to Joe’s glasses as Aviators…..
Hah!
I did not get it either but you’re right that captures so much…😜
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My stupid algorithm presented me The Washington Post, of all things: :roll: ;)

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youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:57 pm My stupid algorithm presented me The Washington Post, of all things: :roll: ;)

Indicted because the right wing deep state is hounding a Democrat's son. Sounds about right.

Washington Post is owned by a billionaire. Not exactly impartial these days.

How many other Americans are prosecuted on this? :lol: Joe Rogan is awaiting prosecution, I'm sure you'll be clamoring for his indictment because he's admitted to be a weed user and a gun owner.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:57 pm My stupid algorithm presented me The Washington Post, of all things: :roll: ;)

Indicted because the right wing deep state is hounding a Democrat's son. Sounds about right.

Washington Post is owned by a billionaire. Not exactly impartial these days.

How many other Americans are prosecuted on this? :lol: Joe Rogan is awaiting prosecution, I'm sure you'll be clamoring for his indictment because he's admitted to be a weed user and a gun owner.
Correction, those crazy right wingers are demanding Hunter Biden be held accountable for his felonious behavior. The instant he took physical possession of a handgun by LYING on his application he became a felon in the eyes of the law. Any American who lies on a handgun application SHOULD be and WILL be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Hunter Biden is getting what he deserves. He can't use the I am a sorry ass pathetic crack head excuse. His dad is still soooooo proud of him. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Here is a very simple solution for Hunter...plead guilty and accept the consequences. I'll bet Hunter and Joe never even contemplated that option. That makes no sense in an election year.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/us/p ... arges.html

“On the face of it, Hunter Biden appears at risk of being sentenced to as long as 25 years in prison and $750,000 in fines if he is convicted on the three gun charges brought against him by federal prosecutors on Thursday.

In reality, few people fitting Mr. Biden’s profile — a first-time, nonviolent offender accused of lying on a federal firearms application, who never used the gun (in his case, a Colt Cobra .38 that he held onto for less than two weeks five years ago) to commit a crime — get serious prison time for the offenses charged in the indictment.

Just bringing the charges is out of the ordinary in some ways, former law enforcement officials say, and the legal basis of the prosecution is under constitutional challenge.

Here’s a rundown of the accusations against President Biden’s son and what makes the case unusual.

What are the charges?

The indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Wilmington, Del., charged Mr. Biden with three felonies: lying to a federally licensed gun dealer, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in jail; making a false claim on the federal firearms application used to screen applicants, with a sentence of up to five years; and possession of an illegally obtained gun from Oct. 12 to Oct. 23, 2018, which carries a maximum of 10 years.

The charges stem from the purchase of a handgun by Mr. Biden at one of the low points of his troubled life. He had been addicted to crack cocaine, bouncing in and out of rehab, was divorced, using prostitutes and having money problems. The New York Times reported this year that Mr. Biden later recounted to friends going into the gun store on a whim and buying the .38 because he thought spending time at a shooting range would help him avoid using drugs.

In purchasing the gun, Mr. Biden had to fill out a federal background check form. In response to a question on the form about whether he was using drugs, Mr. Biden said he was not — an assertion that prosecutors concluded was false.

The first two charges against Mr. Biden are essentially the same — that he lied about his drug use to illegally obtain the weapon, and that he falsely claimed that he was not “addicted to any stimulant, narcotic drug, and any other controlled substance” on the federal form, known as a 4473.

The third charge, illegal possession of the gun while under the influence of drugs, stems from the time he had the weapon. Hallie Biden, his brother Beau’s widow — and his romantic partner at the time — eventually discovered the gun and threw it into a dumpster.

The section of federal law cited in the indictment, 18 U.S. Code § 922, is the main statute used to define who can and cannot possess a firearm. It bars drug users, people convicted of felonies whose punishment exceeds a one-year prison sentence, fugitives from justice, people judged to be “mentally defective,” and those receiving dishonorable discharges from the military.

How common is this type of prosecution?

A substantial percentage of those accused of lying on a federal firearms application, like Mr. Biden has been, are not indicted on that charge unless they are also accused of a more serious underlying crime, current and former law enforcement officials said. Most negotiate deals that include probation and enrollment in programs that include counseling, monitoring and regular drug testing.

“It is rare as a stand-alone,” said John P. Fishwick Jr., who served as U.S. attorney for the Western District of Virginia from 2015 to 2017. “These charges are usually brought against convicted felons who illegally possess a gun or who commit a violent or drug-related charge.”

Prosecutions for lying to a dealer are relatively rare, averaging fewer than 300 per year. There were some 25 million to 30 million background checks performed annually around the time of Mr. Biden’s gun purchase, according to statistics obtained by The Washington Post.

Charges of illegal firearms possession are much more common. But they too are most often used as an add-on, to leverage plea deals or to ensure that a defendant is convicted on at least one charge if there are doubts that they will be convicted on an underlying charge, Mr. Fishwick and other former prosecutors said.

In May, for example, when more than 20 people in Savannah were sentenced to from 10 months to 12 years in prison after pleading guilty to illegal firearms possession, all of them had criminal records or were caught in the act of committing another crime.

When officials with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reviewed Hunter Biden’s gun application several years ago, they believed the case most likely would have been dropped if the target were a lesser-known person — because the gun had not been used in a crime and Mr. Biden had taken steps to get and stay sober, according to a former law enforcement official familiar with the situation.

What happens now?

No date has been set for Mr. Biden’s arraignment in federal court in Wilmington.

It is possible the case will go to trial. It is also possible that a federal judge will ask the two parties to work out a plea deal similar to the one Mr. Biden’s lawyers had hashed out with the top federal prosecutor in Delaware, David C. Weiss, an arrangement known as a pretrial diversion agreement.

Under that doomed deal, the Justice Department agreed not to prosecute Mr. Biden over the handgun purchase, contingent on Mr. Biden remaining drug-free for 24 months and never owning a firearm again.

The agreement brokered by Mr. Weiss, who was made special counsel after the deal collapsed at a disastrous court hearing in late July, was more favorable to Mr. Biden than any agreement he would receive at this point. According to Mr. Biden’s lawyer at the time, the deal included a sweeping guarantee of immunity from prosecution on the firearms case and any potential charges stemming from Mr. Biden’s work for foreign companies.

Abbe Lowell, a lawyer for Mr. Biden, is pressing the court to honor the previous agreement, arguing that the indictment is “barred” by the old deal, whose conditions he asserts are still operative. The judge in the case has yet to rule on his request.

Republicans portrayed the original plea agreement as a “sweetheart deal,” and proof that the Justice Department was seeking to protect the president’s son, even though Mr. Weiss was appointed to investigate the case by former President Donald J. Trump. Speaker Kevin McCarthy has cited the case as one of the reasons that House Republicans are opening an impeachment inquiry into President Biden.

What is the constitutional issue?

Gun rights activists argue that prosecuting substance abusers for buying or owning guns — especially those, like Mr. Biden, who claim to be sober for long periods of time — violates the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

There have been calls in recent years to alter or remove the drug question from the federal firearms application, especially when it comes to marijuana use, but Congress has not amended federal firearms or drug laws, and federal officials have not weakened their regulations.

In May, the A.T.F. held firm on that position, warning cannabis users in Minnesota that they were barred from buying guns or ammunition despite the state’s easing of marijuana restrictions.

But a 2022 Supreme Court ruling has spawned an all-fronts effort by gun rights advocates to roll back federal gun laws. The case, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, vastly expanded people’s right to arm themselves in public.

One case Hunter Biden’s team has cited is a challenge to the criteria used in the federal firearms background check system, pending before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, which includes Delaware.

If that lawsuit succeeds, it could undermine the legal foundation of his prosecution. If the court finds that it is unconstitutional to base an illegal firearm possession charge on a violation of the law banning sales to people who have been addicted to drugs, the two other charges lodged against Mr. Biden — making false claims about drug use to obtain the gun — would likely collapse too, said Andrew A. Weissmann, a former federal prosecutor and F.B.I. official.

“It is remarkable for Special Counsel Weiss to bring theses charges, not only because they are exceedingly rare, but bringing them now when the issue involving whether the statute is constitutional is a lively prospect.” said Mr. Weissmann, who led Robert Mueller’s investigation of the Trump campaign’s connections to Russia.“
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:04 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:57 pm My stupid algorithm presented me The Washington Post, of all things: :roll: ;)

Indicted because the right wing deep state is hounding a Democrat's son. Sounds about right.

Washington Post is owned by a billionaire. Not exactly impartial these days.

How many other Americans are prosecuted on this? :lol: Joe Rogan is awaiting prosecution, I'm sure you'll be clamoring for his indictment because he's admitted to be a weed user and a gun owner.
Correction, those crazy right wingers are demanding Hunter Biden be held accountable for his felonious behavior[youtube]. The instant he took physical possession of a handgun by LYING on his application he became a felon in the eyes of the law. [/youtube]Any American who lies on a handgun application SHOULD be and WILL be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Hunter Biden is getting what he deserves. He can't use the I am a sorry ass pathetic crack head excuse. His dad is still soooooo proud of him. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Here is a very simple solution for Hunter...plead guilty and accept the consequences. I'll bet Hunter and Joe never even contemplated that option. That makes no sense in an election year.
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