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Neo-Nazis converge in Orlando, declaring white supremacy days after Jacksonville mass shooting
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Displays of white supremacy seen across parts of Orlando this weekend have signaled a reminder to many of the NAACP’s warnings about the state growing increasingly hostile under the leadership of Governor Ron DeSantis. On Saturday (Sept. 2), several Neo-Nazis were observed as they participated in a “March of the Redshirts” with Swatsika flags, Hitler salutes, and chants.
The state’s Anti-Defamation League (ADL) identified the extremist groups seen at Cranes Roost Park in Altamonte Springs as the Goyim Defense League and the Blood Tribe. There were about 51 people gathered over a bridge dressed in a uniform that consisted of a red shirt, black pants, and black masks. Some of their chants included “White power,” “Jews will not replace us,” and “We are everywhere.”
Florida Rep. Anna V. Eskamani, who represents District 42, said the display was “absolutely disgusting stuff and another example of the far right extremism growing in [Florida]” as she captured footage shared on Twitter. A similar scene unfolded outside of Disney World, where an antisemitic and anti-LGBTQ+ demonstration was executed by the Order of the Black Sun, the Aryan Freedom Network, and 14 First members.
The controversial gatherings come just one week after 21-year-old Ryan Christopher Palmeter targeted and killed three Black people at a Jacksonville Dollar General. Authorities say the gunman used an AR-15-style rifle that had white Swastikas drawn on it in the racially motivated attack. The tragedy is currently being investigated as a hate crime by the FBI.
In May, the NAACP issued a travel advisory warning Black Americans not to travel to the Sunshine State ...
All the hate and treason comes from only one side of the political aisle. They should leave the country since they hate it so damn much.
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Re: Is America a racist nation?
oh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
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Happy Labor Day.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:19 amoh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
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Salty,old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:19 amoh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
As usual, you and the National Review (white supremacist) apologists like Becket Adams miss the major point of the critique.
It is not simply or solely the specific words but rather what the message is, including context, which includes what has been purposely excised from the history curriculum.
If you'd like to read the entire African American Studies AP curriculum, here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/ap-af ... index.html
The Florida curriculum went out of its way to excise important analysis of the legacy implications of slavery, Jim Crow, etc and it avoided or minimized or equivocated specific events, shaping it to be consistent with Lost Cause propaganda...this could not have been unconscious, as any serious historian who knows how intentionally that propaganda was used to support supremacist ideology, which still persists, would have flagged it.
Moreover, this effort exists within the context of the laws passed by DeSantis and the GOP legislature which threatens teachers who teach what is missing. And it exists within the context of the "parents' rights" movement that claims to be concerned with the "guilt" feelings of white kids.
But to your minor point of the language similarity, perhaps you missed that the language is not the same, indeed the article writer needed to insert their own words linking the phrases to create a meaning similar to what Florida explicitly did.
Last, in addition to DeSantis' other actions and statements around this topic making clear what his intent is in curriculum and teacher and school control, his defense of the change and these words spoke volumes about how he didn't understand (or actually wanted) the offense given. It could have been so easy to simply say "I see how those words could be read that way, I'll ask our curriculum group to rework the language to make clear that students shouldn't be taught that slaves benefited from their slavery." Easy peasy...but nope.
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Someone is feeling better and ready for attack mode....happy to see you are on the mend.
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Salty believes that one simple concept is the only reason people have pushed back on DeSantis and his whitewashing effort…..folk ain’t that stupid, despite what Salty seems to believe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:13 amSalty,old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:19 amoh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
As usual, you and the National Review (white supremacist) apologists like Becket Adams miss the major point of the critique.
It is not simply or solely the specific words but rather what the message is, including context, which includes what has been purposely excised from the history curriculum.
If you'd like to read the entire African American Studies AP curriculum, here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/ap-af ... index.html
The Florida curriculum went out of its way to excise important analysis of the legacy implications of slavery, Jim Crow, etc and it avoided or minimized or equivocated specific events, shaping it to be consistent with Lost Cause propaganda...this could not have been unconscious, as any serious historian who knows how intentionally that propaganda was used to support supremacist ideology, which still persists, would have flagged it.
Moreover, this effort exists within the context of the laws passed by DeSantis and the GOP legislature which threatens teachers who teach what is missing. And it exists within the context of the "parents' rights" movement that claims to be concerned with the "guilt" feelings of white kids.
But to your minor point of the language similarity, perhaps you missed that the language is not the same, indeed the article writer needed to insert their own words linking the phrases to create a meaning similar to what Florida explicitly did.
Last, in addition to DeSantis' other actions and statements around this topic making clear what his intent is in curriculum and teacher and school control, his defense of the change and these words spoke volumes about how he didn't understand (or actually wanted) the offense given. It could have been so easy to simply say "I see how those words could be read that way, I'll ask our curriculum group to rework the language to make clear that students shouldn't be taught that slaves benefited from their slavery." Easy peasy...but nope.
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As you understand we are truly better off with Joe Biden. He just needs to ditch the Ray Bans. He looks like they dragged him out of Weekend at Bernies. As Joe would say... " it's a big f***ing deal.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:59 am Someone is feeling better and ready for attack mode....happy to see you are on the mend.
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Old news. This happened in July, and the College Board that runs AP course already issued their statement.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:10 amSalty believes that one simple concept is the only reason people have pushed back on DeSantis and his whitewashing effort…..folk ain’t that stupid, despite what Salty seems to believe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:13 amSalty,old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:19 amoh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
As usual, you and the National Review (white supremacist) apologists like Becket Adams miss the major point of the critique.
It is not simply or solely the specific words but rather what the message is, including context, which includes what has been purposely excised from the history curriculum.
If you'd like to read the entire African American Studies AP curriculum, here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/ap-af ... index.html
The Florida curriculum went out of its way to excise important analysis of the legacy implications of slavery, Jim Crow, etc and it avoided or minimized or equivocated specific events, shaping it to be consistent with Lost Cause propaganda...this could not have been unconscious, as any serious historian who knows how intentionally that propaganda was used to support supremacist ideology, which still persists, would have flagged it.
Moreover, this effort exists within the context of the laws passed by DeSantis and the GOP legislature which threatens teachers who teach what is missing. And it exists within the context of the "parents' rights" movement that claims to be concerned with the "guilt" feelings of white kids.
But to your minor point of the language similarity, perhaps you missed that the language is not the same, indeed the article writer needed to insert their own words linking the phrases to create a meaning similar to what Florida explicitly did.
Last, in addition to DeSantis' other actions and statements around this topic making clear what his intent is in curriculum and teacher and school control, his defense of the change and these words spoke volumes about how he didn't understand (or actually wanted) the offense given. It could have been so easy to simply say "I see how those words could be read that way, I'll ask our curriculum group to rework the language to make clear that students shouldn't be taught that slaves benefited from their slavery." Easy peasy...but nope.
Re: Is America a racist nation?
So typical of NR propaganda that Salty laps up daily.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:03 pmOld news. This happened in July, and the College Board that runs AP course already issued their statement.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:10 amSalty believes that one simple concept is the only reason people have pushed back on DeSantis and his whitewashing effort…..folk ain’t that stupid, despite what Salty seems to believe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:13 amSalty,old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:19 amoh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
As usual, you and the National Review (white supremacist) apologists like Becket Adams miss the major point of the critique.
It is not simply or solely the specific words but rather what the message is, including context, which includes what has been purposely excised from the history curriculum.
If you'd like to read the entire African American Studies AP curriculum, here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/ap-af ... index.html
The Florida curriculum went out of its way to excise important analysis of the legacy implications of slavery, Jim Crow, etc and it avoided or minimized or equivocated specific events, shaping it to be consistent with Lost Cause propaganda...this could not have been unconscious, as any serious historian who knows how intentionally that propaganda was used to support supremacist ideology, which still persists, would have flagged it.
Moreover, this effort exists within the context of the laws passed by DeSantis and the GOP legislature which threatens teachers who teach what is missing. And it exists within the context of the "parents' rights" movement that claims to be concerned with the "guilt" feelings of white kids.
But to your minor point of the language similarity, perhaps you missed that the language is not the same, indeed the article writer needed to insert their own words linking the phrases to create a meaning similar to what Florida explicitly did.
Last, in addition to DeSantis' other actions and statements around this topic making clear what his intent is in curriculum and teacher and school control, his defense of the change and these words spoke volumes about how he didn't understand (or actually wanted) the offense given. It could have been so easy to simply say "I see how those words could be read that way, I'll ask our curriculum group to rework the language to make clear that students shouldn't be taught that slaves benefited from their slavery." Easy peasy...but nope.
In the meantime, big Nazi rally near Orlando yesterday complete with Hitler salutes - even the NY Post is outraged
https://nypost.com/2023/09/03/neo-nazis ... verywhere/
Crickets from Ron who was too busy blowing off the President.
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Those fine people aren’t racists….they just love their country.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:28 pmSo typical of NR propaganda that Salty laps up daily.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:03 pmOld news. This happened in July, and the College Board that runs AP course already issued their statement.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:10 amSalty believes that one simple concept is the only reason people have pushed back on DeSantis and his whitewashing effort…..folk ain’t that stupid, despite what Salty seems to believe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:13 amSalty,old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:19 amoh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
As usual, you and the National Review (white supremacist) apologists like Becket Adams miss the major point of the critique.
It is not simply or solely the specific words but rather what the message is, including context, which includes what has been purposely excised from the history curriculum.
If you'd like to read the entire African American Studies AP curriculum, here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/ap-af ... index.html
The Florida curriculum went out of its way to excise important analysis of the legacy implications of slavery, Jim Crow, etc and it avoided or minimized or equivocated specific events, shaping it to be consistent with Lost Cause propaganda...this could not have been unconscious, as any serious historian who knows how intentionally that propaganda was used to support supremacist ideology, which still persists, would have flagged it.
Moreover, this effort exists within the context of the laws passed by DeSantis and the GOP legislature which threatens teachers who teach what is missing. And it exists within the context of the "parents' rights" movement that claims to be concerned with the "guilt" feelings of white kids.
But to your minor point of the language similarity, perhaps you missed that the language is not the same, indeed the article writer needed to insert their own words linking the phrases to create a meaning similar to what Florida explicitly did.
Last, in addition to DeSantis' other actions and statements around this topic making clear what his intent is in curriculum and teacher and school control, his defense of the change and these words spoke volumes about how he didn't understand (or actually wanted) the offense given. It could have been so easy to simply say "I see how those words could be read that way, I'll ask our curriculum group to rework the language to make clear that students shouldn't be taught that slaves benefited from their slavery." Easy peasy...but nope.
In the meantime, big Nazi rally near Orlando yesterday complete with Hitler salutes - even the NY Post is outraged
https://nypost.com/2023/09/03/neo-nazis ... verywhere/
Crickets from Ron who was too busy blowing off the President.
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much, much better, thanks!youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:59 am Someone is feeling better and ready for attack mode....happy to see you are on the mend.
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Had to blow Biden off since he was busy blowing tRump…Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:28 pmSo typical of NR propaganda that Salty laps up daily.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:03 pmOld news. This happened in July, and the College Board that runs AP course already issued their statement.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:10 amSalty believes that one simple concept is the only reason people have pushed back on DeSantis and his whitewashing effort…..folk ain’t that stupid, despite what Salty seems to believe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:13 amSalty,old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:19 amoh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
As usual, you and the National Review (white supremacist) apologists like Becket Adams miss the major point of the critique.
It is not simply or solely the specific words but rather what the message is, including context, which includes what has been purposely excised from the history curriculum.
If you'd like to read the entire African American Studies AP curriculum, here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/ap-af ... index.html
The Florida curriculum went out of its way to excise important analysis of the legacy implications of slavery, Jim Crow, etc and it avoided or minimized or equivocated specific events, shaping it to be consistent with Lost Cause propaganda...this could not have been unconscious, as any serious historian who knows how intentionally that propaganda was used to support supremacist ideology, which still persists, would have flagged it.
Moreover, this effort exists within the context of the laws passed by DeSantis and the GOP legislature which threatens teachers who teach what is missing. And it exists within the context of the "parents' rights" movement that claims to be concerned with the "guilt" feelings of white kids.
But to your minor point of the language similarity, perhaps you missed that the language is not the same, indeed the article writer needed to insert their own words linking the phrases to create a meaning similar to what Florida explicitly did.
Last, in addition to DeSantis' other actions and statements around this topic making clear what his intent is in curriculum and teacher and school control, his defense of the change and these words spoke volumes about how he didn't understand (or actually wanted) the offense given. It could have been so easy to simply say "I see how those words could be read that way, I'll ask our curriculum group to rework the language to make clear that students shouldn't be taught that slaves benefited from their slavery." Easy peasy...but nope.
In the meantime, big Nazi rally near Orlando yesterday complete with Hitler salutes - even the NY Post is outraged
https://nypost.com/2023/09/03/neo-nazis ... verywhere/
Crickets from Ron who was too busy blowing off the President.
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Re: Is America a racist nation?
We were talking about hate, not institutional racism.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:27 pmYep….the history of this country has shown that all sides have been equally racist and equally disadvantaged.….legally, socially and institutionally.
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Re: Is America a racist nation?
Fixed it….hope it makes you feel better…kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:17 pmWe were talking about hate, not institutional racism.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:27 pmYep….the history of this country has shown that all sides have been equally racist and equally disadvantaged.….legally, socially and institutionally.
….the history of this country has shown that all sides have been equally hated and equally disadvantaged.….legally, socially and institutionally.
https://youtu.be/xXQQ9o3R-Rc?si=7P9b5FICkRaIlFUx
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-libra ... ce-america
Like I said, all sides have been equally hateful and equally disadvantaged.
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Re: Is America a racist nation?
Blah, blah, blah. It's not NR's or anyone else's propaganda.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:28 pmSo typical of NR propaganda that Salty laps up daily.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:03 pmOld news. This happened in July, and the College Board that runs AP course already issued their statement.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:10 amSalty believes that one simple concept is the only reason people have pushed back on DeSantis and his whitewashing effort…..folk ain’t that stupid, despite what Salty seems to believe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:13 amSalty,old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:19 amoh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
As usual, you and the National Review (white supremacist) apologists like Becket Adams miss the major point of the critique.
It is not simply or solely the specific words but rather what the message is, including context, which includes what has been purposely excised from the history curriculum.
If you'd like to read the entire African American Studies AP curriculum, here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/ap-af ... index.html
The Florida curriculum went out of its way to excise important analysis of the legacy implications of slavery, Jim Crow, etc and it avoided or minimized or equivocated specific events, shaping it to be consistent with Lost Cause propaganda...this could not have been unconscious, as any serious historian who knows how intentionally that propaganda was used to support supremacist ideology, which still persists, would have flagged it.
Moreover, this effort exists within the context of the laws passed by DeSantis and the GOP legislature which threatens teachers who teach what is missing. And it exists within the context of the "parents' rights" movement that claims to be concerned with the "guilt" feelings of white kids.
But to your minor point of the language similarity, perhaps you missed that the language is not the same, indeed the article writer needed to insert their own words linking the phrases to create a meaning similar to what Florida explicitly did.
Last, in addition to DeSantis' other actions and statements around this topic making clear what his intent is in curriculum and teacher and school control, his defense of the change and these words spoke volumes about how he didn't understand (or actually wanted) the offense given. It could have been so easy to simply say "I see how those words could be read that way, I'll ask our curriculum group to rework the language to make clear that students shouldn't be taught that slaves benefited from their slavery." Easy peasy...but nope.
In the meantime, big Nazi rally near Orlando yesterday complete with Hitler salutes - even the NY Post is outraged
https://nypost.com/2023/09/03/neo-nazis ... verywhere/
Crickets from Ron who was too busy blowing off the President.
It's words straight out of the College Board's AP Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework.
No amount of pettifoggery can change that basic fact.
The FL curriculum includes all the other issues you're bloviating about.
How come nobody flyspecked the College Board's framework & made a big deal out of it ?
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Re: Is America a racist nation?
Hope you enjoyed labor day!old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:05 amBlah, blah, blah. It's not NR's or anyone else's propaganda.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:28 pmSo typical of NR propaganda that Salty laps up daily.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:03 pmOld news. This happened in July, and the College Board that runs AP course already issued their statement.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:10 amSalty believes that one simple concept is the only reason people have pushed back on DeSantis and his whitewashing effort…..folk ain’t that stupid, despite what Salty seems to believe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:13 amSalty,old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:19 amoh, my my ...looky here...wjatta 'ya know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:37 amAnd yet OS is busy arguing with a fan over this...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:40 amThank God it took slavery to teach black people these skills:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/ ... lly-awful/
Earlier this year, the Florida Department of Education adopted new social-studies standards. The updated standards include a section for black history. The black history section, which fills 19 pages and includes more than 185 references to slavery, segregation, and racism, covers everything from “the struggles and successes for access to equal educational opportunities for African Americans,” to “how slave codes were strengthened in response to Africans’ resistance to slavery,” to “how slave codes resulted in an enslaved person becoming property with no rights.”
One sentence in the updated standards reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” It turns out that that sentence, which prompted vehement condemnations of DeSantis, is nearly identical to the language included in the College Board’s most up-to-date Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework, which says that slaves learned “specialized trades” and after being freed could use “these skills to provide for themselves and others.” When Florida rejected the Advanced Placement framework earlier this year, it prompted a round of outrage against DeSantis from people who hailed it as essential for the education of young people. No objection was made at the time to its reference to slaves’ learning “specialized trades” and “skills.” The people howling now about the language conveying a simple historical fact in the state’s new African-American history standards are the same ones who howled when the state rejected a framework that included near-identical language conveying the same fact. DeSantis is damned either way. No matter what he does, the press will fault him.
As usual, you and the National Review (white supremacist) apologists like Becket Adams miss the major point of the critique.
It is not simply or solely the specific words but rather what the message is, including context, which includes what has been purposely excised from the history curriculum.
If you'd like to read the entire African American Studies AP curriculum, here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/ap-af ... index.html
The Florida curriculum went out of its way to excise important analysis of the legacy implications of slavery, Jim Crow, etc and it avoided or minimized or equivocated specific events, shaping it to be consistent with Lost Cause propaganda...this could not have been unconscious, as any serious historian who knows how intentionally that propaganda was used to support supremacist ideology, which still persists, would have flagged it.
Moreover, this effort exists within the context of the laws passed by DeSantis and the GOP legislature which threatens teachers who teach what is missing. And it exists within the context of the "parents' rights" movement that claims to be concerned with the "guilt" feelings of white kids.
But to your minor point of the language similarity, perhaps you missed that the language is not the same, indeed the article writer needed to insert their own words linking the phrases to create a meaning similar to what Florida explicitly did.
Last, in addition to DeSantis' other actions and statements around this topic making clear what his intent is in curriculum and teacher and school control, his defense of the change and these words spoke volumes about how he didn't understand (or actually wanted) the offense given. It could have been so easy to simply say "I see how those words could be read that way, I'll ask our curriculum group to rework the language to make clear that students shouldn't be taught that slaves benefited from their slavery." Easy peasy...but nope.
In the meantime, big Nazi rally near Orlando yesterday complete with Hitler salutes - even the NY Post is outraged
https://nypost.com/2023/09/03/neo-nazis ... verywhere/
Crickets from Ron who was too busy blowing off the President.
It's words straight out of the College Board's AP Advanced Placement African American Studies course framework.
No amount of pettifoggery can change that basic fact.
The FL curriculum includes all the other issues you're bloviating about.
How come nobody flyspecked the College Board's framework & made a big deal out of it ?
“I wish you would!”
Re: Is America a racist nation?
Lawsuit accuses Beverly Hills police of racially profiling Black motorists
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lawsu ... 2a72&ei=80
A lawsuit accuses Beverly Hills police of racially profiling nearly 1,100 Black people during traffic stops.
The suit announced Monday was filed on behalf of most of the Black drivers who were pulled over in the wealthy city between August 2019 and August 2021.
Out of a total of 1,088 Black motorists stopped, only two were convicted of crimes, attorney Benjamin Crump said at a news conference.
About a third of all arrests made during the period involved Blacks, who make up only 1.5% of the city's population, Crump said.
“It wasn’t to deter crime. It was to send a message to Black people that we don’t want your kind around here,” Crump said. “That is racial profiling 101!”
The city denied the allegations, saying in a statement, “The statistics presented referencing the number of convictions is a mischaracterization of the evidence in this case. In addition, the 1,088 arrests referenced includes people cited and released, not just custodial arrests.”
“The City of Beverly Hills is an international destination that always welcomes visitors from across the country and around the world,” it said. “The role of the Beverly Hills Police Department is to enforce the law, regardless of race.”
The suit seeks $500 million in damages.
Law clerk Shepherd York was was one of the people who were pulled over, for having expired license plates as he was driving to work, attorneys said.
“I spent three days in jail,” York said at the news conference. “Humiliated, scared, sad.”
His car was searched and impounded, but he was never convicted of a crime, attorneys said.
... and the taxpayers will pay while the cops retire on fat pensions.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lawsu ... 2a72&ei=80
A lawsuit accuses Beverly Hills police of racially profiling nearly 1,100 Black people during traffic stops.
The suit announced Monday was filed on behalf of most of the Black drivers who were pulled over in the wealthy city between August 2019 and August 2021.
Out of a total of 1,088 Black motorists stopped, only two were convicted of crimes, attorney Benjamin Crump said at a news conference.
About a third of all arrests made during the period involved Blacks, who make up only 1.5% of the city's population, Crump said.
“It wasn’t to deter crime. It was to send a message to Black people that we don’t want your kind around here,” Crump said. “That is racial profiling 101!”
The city denied the allegations, saying in a statement, “The statistics presented referencing the number of convictions is a mischaracterization of the evidence in this case. In addition, the 1,088 arrests referenced includes people cited and released, not just custodial arrests.”
“The City of Beverly Hills is an international destination that always welcomes visitors from across the country and around the world,” it said. “The role of the Beverly Hills Police Department is to enforce the law, regardless of race.”
The suit seeks $500 million in damages.
Law clerk Shepherd York was was one of the people who were pulled over, for having expired license plates as he was driving to work, attorneys said.
“I spent three days in jail,” York said at the news conference. “Humiliated, scared, sad.”
His car was searched and impounded, but he was never convicted of a crime, attorneys said.
... and the taxpayers will pay while the cops retire on fat pensions.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
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Re: Is America a racist nation?
Won't be long now "til the South rises again...
"Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin asked the Virginia Military Institute, the nation’s oldest state-supported military college and whose board members he appoints, to accept and place on property it owns 80 miles from campus a Confederate statue from Arlington National Cemetery that the Army has ordered to be removed by Jan. 1, according to a VMI spokesperson.
The statue, a towering memorial that critics say whitewashes slavery, includes a frieze showing an enslaved Black man following his owner and an enslaved woman — described on the cemetery’s website as a “mammy” — holding the baby of a Confederate officer.
The Board of Visitors at VMI unanimously approved a motion Wednesday to accept the statue for placement at the Virginia Museum of the Civil War at New Market Battlefield State Historical Park — owned and operated by the college — north of VMI’s campus in Lexington. The battlefield is a focal point of the school’s history — it was there in 1864 that its cadets joined Confederate forces to successfully push back Union troops. An enormous mural mounted inside the college’s chapel depicts the VMI corps of cadets’ charge across the New Market battlefield."
Go Goobernator SweaterVest!!
"Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin asked the Virginia Military Institute, the nation’s oldest state-supported military college and whose board members he appoints, to accept and place on property it owns 80 miles from campus a Confederate statue from Arlington National Cemetery that the Army has ordered to be removed by Jan. 1, according to a VMI spokesperson.
The statue, a towering memorial that critics say whitewashes slavery, includes a frieze showing an enslaved Black man following his owner and an enslaved woman — described on the cemetery’s website as a “mammy” — holding the baby of a Confederate officer.
The Board of Visitors at VMI unanimously approved a motion Wednesday to accept the statue for placement at the Virginia Museum of the Civil War at New Market Battlefield State Historical Park — owned and operated by the college — north of VMI’s campus in Lexington. The battlefield is a focal point of the school’s history — it was there in 1864 that its cadets joined Confederate forces to successfully push back Union troops. An enormous mural mounted inside the college’s chapel depicts the VMI corps of cadets’ charge across the New Market battlefield."
Go Goobernator SweaterVest!!
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Re: Is America a racist nation?
“I wish you would!”
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