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ggait wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:13 pm Tech. The Politico piece sheds some light on the sc powers.

Weiss said he didn’t need sc powers so long as everyone was cooperating and things were heading towards a settlement. In that scenario, Weiss’ jurisdiction in de was sufficient to get the job done. Even though the crimes primarily happened in dc and ca. The subtext/assumption to all of that is that Weiss (right or wrong) didn’t see the case going to trial based on his investigation.

Once the plea deal breaks down, then Weiss immediately asks to be named sc and garland immediately agrees. Since now that he is going to trial and will bringing charges in places other than de, makes sense to me why Weiss wasn’t an sc before and now needs to be.

If Weiss had determined at any time to charge hb anywhere, he could have by asking garland for sc status. Which would have been granted toot suite.

So I’m convinced that Weiss and garland were truthful when they told congress Weiss was in charge and could do whatever he thought appropriate. TLDR, all this sc stuff is just inside doj technicalities. Not a cover up.

Good thing about sc is that Weiss is required to write a report. And garland has promised in advance to make that report public. Bottom line, Weiss and garland suck at cover ups. They also suck at clear communications.
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a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:22 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:38 am Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Yep. It's why the Jan 6th folks are sitting in the can, after having admitted that they were played by ol' Trump....and Trump's cronies are unlikely to spend a day in prison.

This, btw, is part of BLM's message...they don't live with the same criminal justice system that other Americans enjoy.

TrumpNation and progressives are on the same team....they just have to figure that out, and our nation can FINALLY get out of the mess we're in.

I remain optimistic. It just requires thinking on their part.....


You can bet the Fed Prosecutors who have to, as I understand it, prove Trump's state of mind and/or intent in the documents case are sweating through their clothes right now. Trump has avoided prison all these years because he's rich. It has nothing to do with innocence or guilty.
I agree with your central thesis, but perhaps not some of the specifics, at least as I'm currently reading them.

For instance, I think some of Trump's cronies will indeed be behind bars eventually...the difference being that it takes longer to get them there because the crimes are less obvious and harder to prove. But if you mean that those who cop a plea or "turn state's evidence" won't do time, whereas the Jan 6 folks are mostly doing time despite agreeing to admit their crimes, that's mostly accurate, so I see your point. But I think that's more about leverage, having something valuable to trade than that they are "rich and connected", etc. Maybe that fits the "connected"...the Jan 6 folks were pawns and don't have something to trade (I still wonder about the connections to Stone, Flynn, war room, etc that some of the leaders of the organized cadre of perps may have; apparently no one traded on that?).

On the Trump docs case, actually I doubt they're sweating much about actually proving their case overwhelmingly. On the other hand, they'd be concerned about the judge and they'll be concerned about a lone juror. And they'll be concerned about timing, as this whole thing may be fruitless...

I agree that Trump's wealth is a huge part of why he's not earlier been in prison, but I think it's also because he consciously organized his affairs (and wealth enabled this) in ways that separated him from the usual documentary evidence of intent that a prosecutor would want to bring a case for tax fraud, bank fraud, insurance fraud, etc. No emails, no written notes, just winks and nods, "loyalty pledges", payoffs, threats, and a very conscious separation of various business interests from each other, such that trouble in one needn't sink the rest, though success could be fully enjoyed in any. Quite the organized criminal enterprise.

To a much, much lesser extent, but as long as on the subject of "rich and connected", the Clintons parlayed their connections post Presidency quite masterfully to continue to build those connections and to provide hope for future favor as well as aura in the present, to amass a nice fortune. They did a lot of good work along the way, sure, but I think a large portion of their personal wealth was based upon wink and nod favors and access, current and future...but they were 'smart' and organized it all so as to be legal, if not entirely ethical. I don't have much, if any issue with their profiting from Bill's stature, it was Hillary's ongoing as a Senator and likely future President, while aggressively profiting, that crossed the ethical lines for me. And I think for many people. But not criminal.

Trump, I'm convinced was purposefully, consciously criminal.
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Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:38 am
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:55 am
"prove" ? Such BS... certainly not the "crux of the matter." This coming from an ex IRS agent?

"in the grip of alcoholism and addiction" is specious at best. He either paid his taxes or he didn't. "intent" ? HA!

And then there's politics. Again, no one but the wealthy and connected with high profile lawyers gets this sort of consideration.
That is the legal standard which should apply to everybody. Not everybody who skips out on their taxes gets charged criminally - in fact, most don't and make arrangements to pay them plus interest and penalty. That said, IMHO there is going to be another plea deal here before it's all over. The suggestion in the article seems plausible and I'm no fan of HB in the least. Weasel and dirtbag for sure. As someone who has real experience with a family member using I didn't find the experience at all "specious". :cry:
Yep. But in this context, nope. How many folks committing felonies, sitting in slammer, who were addicts as well and perhaps only had a public defender helping out?

The author is an former IRS agent and his opinion certainly caries some credibility certainly since you seem to apply a different standard to the other IRS agents in this case.
Yes, realize this an opinion piece as compared to the other articles you posted which were straight reporting.

Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
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tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
Most certainly. Remains to be seen. Applies in all of the cases except perhaps in NY.
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Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:28 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
Most certainly. Remains to be seen. Applies in all of the cases except perhaps in NY.
OK. Yes, remains to be seen. In the court of public opinion I wonder which will have more effect. If many haven't already, I have to believe independent voters are waking up to the Biden corruption.
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a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:22 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:38 am Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Yep. It's why the Jan 6th folks are sitting in the can, after having admitted that they were played by ol' Trump....and Trump's cronies are unlikely to spend a day in prison.

This, btw, is part of BLM's message...they don't live with the same criminal justice system that other Americans enjoy.

TrumpNation and progressives are on the same team....they just have to figure that out, and our nation can FINALLY get out of the mess we're in.

I remain optimistic. It just requires thinking on their part.....


You can bet the Fed Prosecutors who have to, as I understand it, prove Trump's state of mind and/or intent in the documents case are sweating through their clothes right now. Trump has avoided prison all these years because he's rich. It has nothing to do with innocence or guilty.
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OK. Yes, remains to be seen. In the court of public opinion I wonder which will have more effect. If many haven't already, I have to believe independent voters are waking up to the Biden corruption.
This independent swing voter (never-Trumper but voted for Romney) has seen ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence of Joe Biden corruption. Hunter ain't Joe.

FYI, you have to realize that there are very very few actual swing voters. The vast majority of self-identified "independents" vote just like partisans. True swing voters are like 5% of the electorate. Most indies are strong D leaners or R leaners. The only folks who care about Hunter are faux indies (i.e. GOP leaners who always vote GOP).

TBH, even I'm hardly an indy/swing voter any more. I didn't used to be that way before Trump. But my registration is indy.
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tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:36 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:28 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
Most certainly. Remains to be seen. Applies in all of the cases except perhaps in NY.
OK. Yes, remains to be seen. In the court of public opinion I wonder which will have more effect. If many haven't already, I have to believe independent voters are waking up to the Biden corruption.
Ah, so you finally get that what Weiss has done doesn't help Joe Biden's campaign. Welcome aboard. Nice to read this.
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a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:20 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:36 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:28 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
Most certainly. Remains to be seen. Applies in all of the cases except perhaps in NY.
OK. Yes, remains to be seen. In the court of public opinion I wonder which will have more effect. If many haven't already, I have to believe independent voters are waking up to the Biden corruption.
Ah, so you finally get that what Weiss has done doesn't help Joe Biden's campaign. Welcome aboard. Nice to read this.
It would still be comforting to hear what Weiss was using as his methodology in his decision making process. Clarification is sorely needed but not likely to be seen anytime soon.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:08 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:20 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:36 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:28 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
Most certainly. Remains to be seen. Applies in all of the cases except perhaps in NY.
OK. Yes, remains to be seen. In the court of public opinion I wonder which will have more effect. If many haven't already, I have to believe independent voters are waking up to the Biden corruption.
Ah, so you finally get that what Weiss has done doesn't help Joe Biden's campaign. Welcome aboard. Nice to read this.
It would still be comforting to hear what Weiss was using as his methodology in his decision making process. Clarification is sorely needed but not likely to be seen anytime soon.
GGait explained we'll get all that in a final report now that Weiss is a SP. I'm sure he'll be answering questions via the House R's in public when this is all done.
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a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:14 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:08 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:20 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:36 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:28 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
Most certainly. Remains to be seen. Applies in all of the cases except perhaps in NY.
OK. Yes, remains to be seen. In the court of public opinion I wonder which will have more effect. If many haven't already, I have to believe independent voters are waking up to the Biden corruption.
Ah, so you finally get that what Weiss has done doesn't help Joe Biden's campaign. Welcome aboard. Nice to read this.
It would still be comforting to hear what Weiss was using as his methodology in his decision making process. Clarification is sorely needed but not likely to be seen anytime soon.
GGait explained we'll get all that in a final report now that Weiss is a SP. I'm sure he'll be answering questions via the House R's in public when this is all done.
When is the timeframe for "all done" ? There are problematic issues that need to be answered now, not when SC Weiss has finished an investigation that could drag on indefinitely.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:50 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:14 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:08 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:20 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:36 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:28 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
Most certainly. Remains to be seen. Applies in all of the cases except perhaps in NY.
OK. Yes, remains to be seen. In the court of public opinion I wonder which will have more effect. If many haven't already, I have to believe independent voters are waking up to the Biden corruption.
Ah, so you finally get that what Weiss has done doesn't help Joe Biden's campaign. Welcome aboard. Nice to read this.
It would still be comforting to hear what Weiss was using as his methodology in his decision making process. Clarification is sorely needed but not likely to be seen anytime soon.
GGait explained we'll get all that in a final report now that Weiss is a SP. I'm sure he'll be answering questions via the House R's in public when this is all done.
When is the timeframe for "all done" ? There are problematic issues that need to be answered now, not when SC Weiss has finished an investigation that could drag on indefinitely.
That's up to Weiss. And the longer he takes, the more Joe Biden's election hopes drop.

The bulk of your questions can be answered immediately by Barr, Rettig, and Wray. That's on the House.

Any way you turn, the R's are calling the plays, cradle. Weiss and the House.

Obvious to this voter as to why they want to keep you in the dark until, oh, November 6th, 2024, cradle.
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Cray.

What was Comey’s big mistake?

Running his mouth in the middle of an investigation. In order to provide information in the middle of election season.

I think basically everyone agrees that no one should ever do that again. Which is what you are asking for.

Not gonna happen. Should not happen.
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ggait wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:18 pm Cray.

What was Comey’s big mistake?

Running his mouth in the middle of an investigation. In order to provide information in the middle of election season.

I think basically everyone agrees that no one should ever do that again. Which is what you are asking for.

Not gonna happen. Should not happen.
I'm sorry and I apologize for sounding dumb. I'm not understanding the Comey connection. :?
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a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:20 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:36 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:28 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
Most certainly. Remains to be seen. Applies in all of the cases except perhaps in NY.
OK. Yes, remains to be seen. In the court of public opinion I wonder which will have more effect. If many haven't already, I have to believe independent voters are waking up to the Biden corruption.
Ah, so you finally get that what Weiss has done doesn't help Joe Biden's campaign. Welcome aboard. Nice to read this.
Ah, no. What Weiss/Garland were doing with the plea deal ?... or Weiss/Garland with Weiss named SC? Very different. And we have no idea how Weiss will act as SC and whether it will protect Joe somehow or not. Don't freak out a fan... let's wait and see.

Meanwhile, I expect the committee will be hearing more testimony and releasing more evidence to the public.
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tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:20 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:20 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:36 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:28 pm
tech37 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm Wealth and connection go well beyond this case (just look around at all the other connected folks now looking at criminal charges). Don't you agree?
Sure. Do you expect plea deals for those people?
Most certainly. Remains to be seen. Applies in all of the cases except perhaps in NY.
OK. Yes, remains to be seen. In the court of public opinion I wonder which will have more effect. If many haven't already, I have to believe independent voters are waking up to the Biden corruption.
Ah, so you finally get that what Weiss has done doesn't help Joe Biden's campaign. Welcome aboard. Nice to read this.
Ah, no. What Weiss/Garland were doing with the plea deal ?... or Weiss/Garland with Weiss named SC? Very different. And we have no idea how Weiss will act as SC and whether it will protect Joe somehow or not.
I wasn't succinct enough, and I'm not freaking out, and I'll hold my promise to tone it down, so long as you do the same.

I'll reword: Every day Weiss gets this closer to Nov 2024, and keeps it in the news, is a loss for Joe Biden. Biden 2024 want this story out of the news asap.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:05 pm
ggait wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:18 pm Cray.

What was Comey’s big mistake?

Running his mouth in the middle of an investigation. In order to provide information in the middle of election season.

I think basically everyone agrees that no one should ever do that again. Which is what you are asking for.

Not gonna happen. Should not happen.
I'm sorry and I apologize for sounding dumb. I'm not understanding the Comey connection. :?
You said this:
When is the timeframe for "all done" ? There are problematic issues that need to be answered now, not when SC Weiss has finished an investigation that could drag on indefinitely.
That would be repeating the Comey mistake. Weiss should keep his mouth shut until he issues his report at the very end. Period.
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Andy McCarthy's unsparing analysis of Weiss, the plea agreement & diversion agreement (heavy legal stuff) :
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/08/ ... erm=second

The Chicanery of the Hunter Biden Plea Bargain

by ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, August 19, 2023

Back in Judge Maryellen Noreika’s Delaware courtroom this week, we found the prosecutor still flailing in the miasma of his imploded schemes. At issue was the corrupt “diversion agreement” that Weiss, on behalf of the president’s Justice Department, executed with the president’s son: the pact whereby Weiss gifted Hunter not merely a complete pass on a gun felony punishable by up to ten years’ imprisonment, but a total immunity bath — no prosecution for bribery, money laundering, tax evasion, failing to register as a foreign agent, or any other crimes arising out of the Biden family business of peddling Joe Biden’s political influence to operatives of corrupt and anti-American regimes.

Having been humiliated by Judge Noreika’s exposure of Biden Justice Department corruption, Weiss is now posing as a tough guy who insists the diversion is null and void because Hunter did not fulfill a separate plea agreement that called for him to plead guilty to two misdemeanor tax charges — not content with eschewing easily provable tax felonies, tough guy Weiss also promised to push for a no-jail sentence.

This would be quite hilarious if it weren’t so infuriating.

As it happens, the public will be spared from the worst of Weiss’s machinations, at least in the short term. But that is no thanks to Weiss. He’d like you to think he’s a born-again prosecutorial dynamo after last week’s charade, in which Merrick Garland pretended to name him a special counsel. In reality, Weiss remains a high-ranking Biden Justice Department official who is ineligible to be a special counsel — at least by regulation as opposed to Garland’s hocus-pocus. A special counsel is an attorney brought in from outside the government, while Weiss is the Delaware U.S. attorney. A special counsel is brought in because the Justice Department has a conflict of interest, and Weiss is a high-ranking Justice Department official. A special counsel would have indicted the case by now, and Weiss has not. Nothing has changed.

No, Hunter will be denied his “stay out of jail free forever” card because of the actions of the court, not the prosecutor. Essentially, since the executive branch won’t follow Justice Department guidelines when dealing with the president’s son, we have to rely on the judiciary to do it. First, Judge Noreika derailed the plea agreement by asking a few simple questions about its blatant irregularities. And now the court’s probation office has refused to approve the diversion agreement that runs afoul of Justice Department policy against diversion for gun crimes.

We’ll get to the Probation Department’s intervention in due course. First though, with all the delusional chatter about how Weiss’s special-counsel appointment is a boon for the Biden “investigation,” we must explore in detail the depth of his skullduggery.

Weiss Has Been Disappearing the Biden Case for Five Years

You can’t blame Hunter Biden’s lawyers for these antics. Their job is to get the best deal possible for their client. Weiss and the Biden Justice Department, by contrast, are duty bound to enforce the criminal law with appropriate vigor, consistent with DOJ guidelines that would have called for felony charges and a felony plea to the most serious, readily provable offense.

In our adversarial system, this is how prosecutors vindicate the public’s interests in the rule of law and equal treatment. Weiss and the Biden DOJ, to the contrary, acted as Hunter’s second set of defense lawyers. Predictably, given the Justice Department’s impossible conflict of interest in this case, Weiss sought to serve and protect the president. On the surface, that meant insulating Hunter from real prosecution. The main objective, however, was to steer the “ongoing investigation” away from Hunter’s dear old dad. To label the DOJ’s Joe Biden whitewash “the Hunter Biden plea deal” is like calling a green-new-boondoggle “the Inflation Reduction Act.”

To reiterate, Weiss has never indicted the case because he’s intentionally disappearing the case. The failure to file formal charges lets the statute of limitations run. This Garland/Weiss gambit has already achieved much of its purpose. The most damaging evidence implicating Joe Biden is the sale of his political influence during his years as Obama administration vice president. Thanks to Weiss’s “don’t indict” game plan, the statute of limitations (six years for tax crimes, five years for all other crimes) has rendered time-barred any and all criminal offenses committed from 2014 through 2017. The IRS and FBI agents who were actually trying to make the case believe the scheme petered out in 2019, when Joe’s 2020 presidential bid forced the family business to go dark. Pretty soon, then, there will be nothing left to charge: Even if Weiss finally manages to choreograph a face-saving filing of trivial charges against Hunter, the clock will still run out on Joe’s criminal exposure. Mission accomplished.

Since Weiss’s aim was to sabotage the case, that’s what the agreements attendant to Hunter’s plea bargain were structured to achieve.

Weiss’s strategy required keeping the plea agreement (tax misdemeanors) completely separate from the diversion agreement (gun felony). One wonders how, hearing Weiss pine in court on Tuesday that the diversion agreement is voided by the failure of the plea agreement — as if the two agreements were interdependent —Judge Noreika avoided falling off the bench in spasms of laughter.

Hiding the Ball from the Court

A diversion agreement is like any other written contract: It is signed by the parties, with each giving something of value as consideration, mutually locking in the other party’s commitment. Here, the Biden Justice Department agreed to defer and eventually dismiss the gun charge, while Hunter agreed, among other things, to waive indictment and abide by the two years’ probation term. That’s a contract.

And here’s the significant part: Because Weiss wanted the diversion agreement to be separate from the plea agreement and stand on its own, the diversion agreement does not mention the plea agreement. That’s now a problem for Weiss because of a so-called completeness clause that he included in the diversion agreement (p. 8, para. 19) but disingenuously omitted from the plea agreement:

This agreement sets forth all of the terms of the Agreement between the United States and Biden. It constitutes the complete and final agreement between the United States and Biden in this matter. There are no other agreements, written or otherwise, modifying the terms, conditions, or obligations of this Agreement. No future modifications of or additions to this Agreement, in whole or in part, shall be valid unless they are set forth in writing and signed by the United States, Biden, and Biden’s counsel.

How can Weiss now say with a straight face that the validity of the diversion agreement is dependent upon the successful completion of the plea agreement? The Justice Department expressly and unambiguously stated that there were no other written or oral agreements that modified the terms of the diversion agreement. The studiously unmentioned plea agreement thus has no effect on the diversion agreement.

Now, why did Weiss stick the completeness provision in the diversion agreement but not the plea agreement? Because he was hiding the ball from the court.

The Justice Department always puts a completeness clause in plea agreements. Defendants often have buyer’s remorse about plea deals, especially if the sentence subsequently imposed by the judge ends up being more harsh than anticipated. Many thus come back to court insisting that they would never have pled guilty were it not for some side deal that somehow went unmentioned in the plea agreement. Courts reject these claims out of hand because of the completeness clause. That’s why the Justice Department insists on including it.

Except, of course, in the case of the president’s son. For Hunter, Weiss cooked up something vaguely resembling a completeness clause, clearly hoping the judge would skim it inattentively, if at all. But the clause (Plea Agreement, p.6, para. 13) is dodgy. This becomes clear when it is compared to the standard, ironclad completeness clause in the diversion agreement (excerpted above). Noreika noticed. It was a tipoff that Weiss was trying to pull a fast one.

The most important provision in any plea agreement — other than the precise description of the offenses to which the defendant is agreeing to plead guilty — is the immunity clause. That’s where the government lays out, with what is supposed to be clarity, the crimes and potential crimes for which it is promising the defendant will not be prosecuted. But in the Hunter plea agreement, there is no immunity provision.

Why? Because Weiss was trying to hide it from the judge, hoping she’d be a rubber stamp.

Here, we come to another big difference between a plea agreement and a diversion agreement: The judge has to approve the plea agreement — federal law so mandates. After all, the plea agreement is the basis on which the judge will find the defendant guilty and impose a sentence. By contrast, the judge does not sign off on a diversion agreement. Diversion is just a matter of prosecutorial discretion: The Justice Department agrees not to prosecute on a charge if the defendant fulfills certain conditions, so there is no plea, no conviction, and no sentence.

Thankfully, there is a catch when the diversion agreement contemplates probationary conditions. We’ll come to that in due course.

Obfuscating Hunter’s Immunity Bath

The breadth of immunity Weiss was trying to give Hunter was outrageous. Any sentient judge would have questioned it. So Weiss tried to hide it in two ways.

First, he tucked it into the diversion agreement that he hoped the judge wouldn’t peruse, while omitting it from the plea agreement that the judge would have to look at (though, Weiss hoped, not too closely). But because he was omitting the all-important immunity clause from the plea agreement, Weiss had no choice but to omit the completeness clause, too. The only reason Hunter agreed to plead guilty, even to two trivial misdemeanors, was the sweeping immunity grant. If the plea agreement had included the standard completeness clause but left out the immunity grant, Hunter and his lawyers would never have signed it.

It was one thing to hope Noreika wouldn’t notice the plea agreement’s omission of an immunity term. But betting that she’d snooze through the lack of the completeness clause that the DOJ habitually puts at the end of every plea agreement was unrealistic — and if Weiss surmised that Noreika, like himself, was a standard Delaware “don’t you dare question the Bidens” type, then he hadn’t taken her measure.

Weiss’s second stratagem was to camouflage the indefensible breadth of the immunity grant: In exchange for a guilty plea to two puny misdemeanor tax charges with no jail time, he intended to shield Hunter from prosecution for all potential felonies from 2014 through 2019. In a plea deal, the government is supposed to state clearly the crimes it is forfeiting the authority to prosecute, but Weiss knew that if he spelled this out, there would be an earthquake on Capitol Hill, outcry from the public, and deep embarrassment for the White House and the Justice Department. So even though he hoped the judge would not make a fuss about his insertion of the immunity term in the diversion agreement, he knew the diversion agreement would have to be public. Ergo, he concocted a device to obfuscate the immunity terms.

That was “Exhibit A” of the diversion agreement. It is a narrative “statement of facts” describing Hunter’s professional pursuits and personal foibles from 2014 to 2019. It is supposed to take the place of a clear description of the immunized crimes; but of course, Hunter was not going to admit to serial felonies. Hence, it worked this way: Hunter and Weiss jointly adopted the four-page statement of facts; then Weiss — in the key paragraph 15 of the diversion agreement — gave Hunter immunity for any charges that might be “encompassed” in that recitation. That is, the Biden Justice Department didn’t come out and directly tell us what potential crimes prosecutors had immunized; it was instead left up to the reader to figure out what potential crimes could be teased out of the statement of facts.

Once they had slammed that past the judge, the plan was for Hunter to give a cloying statement about how relieved he and his family were to have this hiccup behind them — in fact, a podium was even set up right outside the courthouse in anticipation of this denouement. Concurrently, Hunter’s lawyers would crow that the diversion agreement, by its sweeping immunity term that expressly incorporates the statement of facts, ended the Biden case once and for all — might as well forget that molehill those crazy House Republicans are portraying as a mountain of Biden corruption, because the government could no longer prosecute Hunter. Finally, for their part, Weiss and the Biden Justice Department wouldn’t have said anything . . . but they wouldn’t have prosecuted Hunter for anything, either.

This legerdemain went poof because the judge asked about the immunity term in open court. Put prematurely on the spot, Hunter’s lawyers proclaimed that it covered everything — and they were right, that was the intention. Weiss, however, was too humiliated to admit this. Consequently, the Biden Justice Department lied, claiming that there was still an “ongoing investigation” and that Hunter could still be prosecuted — even though, if those things were true, it would have made no sense to give a principal subject a misdemeanor plea with a promise of no jail time in the middle of the “ongoing investigation.” Hunter’s lawyers became indignant, and understandably so. Yes, it’s an outrageous deal . . . but it’s the deal Weiss and the Biden Justice Department promised until they got caught.

There Is No Biden Corruption Investigation at the Biden Justice Department

But that barely scratches the surface of Weiss’s sabotage. The statement of facts that he adopted is Hunter’s version of events. This shows that (a) there is no real Justice Department Biden investigation, and (b) Weiss is trying to kill the case before it engulfs the president.

How do we know this? Because of the information thus far gathered by Senators Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) and Ron Johnson (R., Wis), as well as House committees led by Oversight chairman James Comer (R., Ky.). The energetic congressional efforts, contrary to the dormant Justice Department “probe,” are undergirded by bank records, Hunter’s laptop, and the testimony of both whistleblower IRS agents and Hunter’s partner Devon Archer. This mosaic shows that Hunter was the front man for a scheme in which foreign actors paid millions of dollars in bribes to purchase access to Joe Biden, and that the Bidens and their confederates tried to hide (a) the sources of those money transfers, (b) the fact that they were raking in millions, and (c) the fact that they were acting as foreign agents. While minor, the tax misdemeanors to which Hunter was trying to plead guilty were consistent with this scheme: The Bidens pretended this money came from legitimate business activity and then hid the proceeds by, among other things, not reporting the income and not paying the taxes due.

That is what the evidence shows.
But what did Weiss do? He adopted a statement of facts in which Hunter asserts that the foreign income was legitimately earned through his purported work as a high-end lawyer and business consultant (i.e., no way it’s bribery, influence peddling, and foreign-agent work), and that he failed to pay his taxes because he was drug-addled (i.e., no way it’s money laundering and tax evasion).

The statement of facts adopted by Weiss completely undermines the essence of the Biden corruption scheme. If you were a prosecutor who was assigned to the Biden case, and you truly had an “ongoing investigation” into the Biden business activities, there is no way in a million years that you would adopt a defendant’s spin on the “facts” that contradicts the evidence amassed by your investigators. Indeed, there is no way, in the middle of your “ongoing investigation” of serious felonies, that you would gift one of the main subjects of the investigation with a plea deal involving two misdemeanor tax charges — a plea deal in which you promised to seek a no-jail sentence and which you structured so the defendant could credibly claim complete immunity from any crimes uncovered in your “ongoing investigation.”

In the end, Hunter’s lawyers are right and “special counsel” Weiss is wrong: Weiss had every intention of giving away the store. The way Weiss and the Biden Justice Department wrote the plea and diversion agreements, they are wholly independent — the collapse of the plea should have no effect on the validity of the diversion. And the way the diversion agreement is written, Hunter should have complete immunity from prosecution, notwithstanding the lack of even an admission of guilt to the misdemeanor tax charges.

Probation Office Shoots Down Weiss’s Inexplicable Diversion of a Gun Felony

Hunter and his lawyers are trying to convince Judge Noreika that the diversion agreement and the broad immunity it promises are still valid and enforceable. In the end, he is going to lose, but not because Weiss has suddenly grown a backbone. Hunter will lose because, once again, the court rode to the rescue. It wasn’t the judge this time; it was the Delaware federal court’s chief probation officer, Margaret M. Bray.

While the judge need not sign off on a diversion agreement, the probation office must approve it if the agreement includes probationary conditions, as the one between Weiss and Hunter’s lawyers did. This is because the probation office is responsible for monitoring a defendant’s compliance with such conditions. Routinely, the probation office signs off on diversion agreements. Weiss and Hunter’s lawyers must have figured this one would be rubber-stamped as well. But Chief Probation Officer Bray declined.

How come? It is not a subject Weiss wants to dwell on, but we should. There is no explanation on the record. Yet, we know that Justice Department guidelines instruct that a defendant is ineligible for diversion if he is “accused of an offense involving brandishing or use of a firearm or other deadly weapon.” Hunter is known to have obtained a gun in October 2018 by lying on a required government form about his illegal-drug use. There is video from the laptop showing him brandishing a gun a few days later in a depraved and potentially dangerous scene with a prostitute. Not long after that, because of his carelessness, the gun he purchased after lying on the federal form was lost across the street from a school. (It was later recovered.)

As if that weren’t bad enough, I believe the probation office realized Hunter had to have been handling more than one gun on his autumn 2018 drug binge — and it’s not clear all guns have been accounted for. The gun he purchased after lying on the form is a revolver (described in the diversion agreement as a Colt Cobra 38-special revolver); but the gun in the video from a few days later is not a revolver (it appears to be a Glock). Note, moreover, that the diversion agreement called for Hunter to forfeit “all firearms . . . including but not limited to” the revolver. Implicitly, Weiss was acknowledging that there could be multiple guns at issue. Naturally, the Biden Justice Department doesn’t want to broadcast that fact: President Biden is as demagogic as Democrats get in demonizing law-abiding gun-owners and Second Amendment rights; his son’s felony possession of a single gun — that his Justice Department tried to give Hunter a pass on — is humiliating enough.

Judge Noreika exposed the shameful plea agreement, so now the misdemeanor charges have been dismissed. Chief Probation Officer Bray refused to be party to the appalling diversion agreement, so it too is sure to be scrapped. The commentariat is fantasizing that, with Attorney General Garland having now branded him a “special counsel,” David Weiss will turn alpha-prosecutor. I wouldn’t count on that. Weiss remains a top Biden Justice Department official, and he has methodically undermined the Biden case for years. It’s a better bet that he’s now huddling again with counsel for the president’s son, struggling to come up with more plea-bargain cosplay they can try to sell as real law enforcement.

Meanwhile, the statute-of-limitations clock keeps on ticking.
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Andy McCarthy's unsparing analysis of Weiss, the plea agreement & diversion agreement (heavy legal stuff) :


The energetic congressional efforts, contrary to the dormant Justice Department “probe,” are undergirded by bank records, Hunter’s laptop, and the testimony of both whistleblower IRS agents and Hunter’s partner Devon Archer. This mosaic shows that Hunter was the front man for a scheme in which foreign actors paid millions of dollars in bribes to purchase access to Joe Biden, and that the Bidens and their confederates tried to hide (a) the sources of those money transfers, (b) the fact that they were raking in millions, and (c) the fact that they were acting as foreign agents. While minor, the tax misdemeanors to which Hunter was trying to plead guilty were consistent with this scheme: The Bidens pretended this money came from legitimate business activity and then hid the proceeds by, among other things, not reporting the income and not paying the taxes due.


These supposed activities happened 6-9 years ago. So for the 100th time, if this was REMOTELY true....why didn't Barr, Rettig, or Wray open a case on Joe Biden at any point? They or their predecessors had four full years to open a case on Joe. Any or all of three departments, all run by Republicans.

FBI head Wray is still a Republican, last I checked. He's corrupt, too? That's the claim being made here, make no mistake.

McCarthy knows all this, of course, and doesn't believe a word he is typing. Gotta get paid, right?


This is the Trumpian game: keep reporting lies, until normally reasonable people are convinced it's fact. Because no one pays any mind whatsoever to pesky details like "Weiss was appointed by Trump, and is a Republican".

This is 100% directed at McCarthy's BS, btw. McCarthy, and McCarthy alone.
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a fan wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:49 pm Andy McCarthy's unsparing analysis of Weiss, the plea agreement & diversion agreement (heavy legal stuff) :


The energetic congressional efforts, contrary to the dormant Justice Department “probe,” are undergirded by bank records, Hunter’s laptop, and the testimony of both whistleblower IRS agents and Hunter’s partner Devon Archer. This mosaic shows that Hunter was the front man for a scheme in which foreign actors paid millions of dollars in bribes to purchase access to Joe Biden, and that the Bidens and their confederates tried to hide (a) the sources of those money transfers, (b) the fact that they were raking in millions, and (c) the fact that they were acting as foreign agents. While minor, the tax misdemeanors to which Hunter was trying to plead guilty were consistent with this scheme: The Bidens pretended this money came from legitimate business activity and then hid the proceeds by, among other things, not reporting the income and not paying the taxes due.


These supposed activities happened 6-9 years ago. So for the 100th time, if this was REMOTELY true....why didn't Barr, Rettig, or Wray open a case on Joe Biden at any point? They or their predecessors had four full years to open a case on Joe. Any or all of three departments, all run by Republicans.

FBI head Wray is still a Republican, last I checked. He's corrupt, too? That's the claim being made here, make no mistake.

McCarthy knows all this, of course, and doesn't believe a word he is typing. Gotta get paid, right?


This is the Trumpian game: keep reporting lies, until normally reasonable people are convinced it's fact. Because no one pays any mind whatsoever to pesky details like "Weiss was appointed by Trump, and is a Republican".

This is 100% directed at McCarthy's BS, btw. McCarthy, and McCarthy alone.
This is all about damaging Biden in advance of an election…. This passes for journalism today.
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