NCAA reorg imminent

[wgdsr]

https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... washington

may find out soon if fsu and clemson have the stones.

[Farfromgeneva]

https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... washington

may find out soon if fsu and clemson have the stones.

I still don’t see the value in FSU long term. Clemson is kind of in the Greenville MSA, growing but still not a major market and if Dabo slides a bit as the shine wears off as it does for 99.8% of coaches that could be a wasteful move. Otherwise who cares. FSU is good for catching a burning feeling in your pants and Clemson considered a farmer school. If not for the state capital of FL in FSUs backyard theyre really leaning hard on short term and current statuses (FSU has been very up and down last 15 or so years).

For all the silliness coming from some one could easily argue this is anticompetitive behavior and akin to price fixing. NLI sort of clears the way for antitrust stuff to hammer all this activity eventually by pulling the curtain back on what this mess really is.

[44WeWantMore]

It could happen, but there was some grumbling by the academics when Nebraska was added. This will cause more grumbling.

As you note, they are not in desirable markets, nor do their alumni tend to dominate any desirable markets.

FSU football has not been more valuable than a good B1G football program in decades, and as you note, Clemson might revert to mean as well.

[Essexfenwick]

Clickbait.

Big Ten is not adding anybody.

[wgdsr]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... r-reports/

long awaited media deal has been passed on to the pac members. supposed to meet again "soon".

arizona holding a big wig meeting later this afternoon, they are the team most suspected of being in the queue (for b1g 12). any deal in the pac is coming with a grant of rights, so this will likely either make or break them for the short to intermediate term future.

[wgdsr]

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1 ... HyQpg&s=19

thamel reporting it's an apple streaming deal below the big 12's $31m to start but with upside on subscriptions. asu also with a regents meeting this afternoon.

clock is ticking on when all content is delivered by google/apple/netflix.

[HooDat]

It could happen, but there was some grumbling by the academics when Nebraska was added. This will cause more grumbling.

As you note, they are not in desirable markets, nor do their alumni tend to dominate any desirable markets.

FSU football has not been more valuable than a good B1G football program in decades, and as you note, Clemson might revert to mean as well.

To be fair to Clemson - their mean (over the past 40 years) tends toward top-15, if not top-10.

YEAR :: Record :: Rank
1981 :: 12–0–0 :: 1
1982 :: 9–1–1 :: 8
1983 :: 9–1–1 :: 11
1986 :: 8–2– :: 17
1987 :: 10–2–0 :: 12
1988 :: 10–2–0 :: 9
1989 :: 10–2–0 :: 12
1990 :: 10–2–0 :: 9
1991 :: 9–2–1 :: 18
1993 :: 9–3–0 :: 23
2000 :: 9–3 :: 16
2003 :: 9–4 :: 22
2005 :: 8–4 :: 21
2007 :: 9–4 :: 21
2009 :: 9–5 :: 24
2011 :: 10–4 :: 22
2012 :: 11–2 :: 11
2013 :: 11–2 :: 8
2014 :: 10–3 :: 15
2015 :: 14–1 :: 2
2016 :: 14–1 :: 1
2017 :: 12–2 :: 4
2018 :: 15–0 :: 1
2019 :: 14–1 :: 2
2020 :: 10–2 :: 3
2021 :: 10–3 :: 14

And let's not forget that both Clemson's and FSU's co-ed games are top 10 if not top 5.....

[LeeRoggy]

https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... washington

may find out soon if fsu and clemson have the stones.

I still don’t see the value in FSU long term. Clemson is kind of in the Greenville MSA, growing but still not a major market and if Dabo slides a bit as the shine wears off as it does for 99.8% of coaches that could be a wasteful move. Otherwise who cares. FSU is good for catching a burning feeling in your pants and Clemson considered a farmer school. If not for the state capital of FL in FSUs backyard theyre really leaning hard on short term and current statuses (FSU has been very up and down last 15 or so years).

For all the silliness coming from some one could easily argue this is anticompetitive behavior and akin to price fixing. NLI sort of clears the way for antitrust stuff to hammer all this activity eventually by pulling the curtain back on what this mess really is.

Clemson is only 124 miles from Atlanta, Tallahassee is basically 240 miles. Unless the B1G Ten wants Georgia Tech, that's as close to a major market in Atlanta as it will likely get. Atlanta is the #6 TV market in America.

[DocBarrister]

https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... washington

may find out soon if fsu and clemson have the stones.

I still don’t see the value in FSU long term. Clemson is kind of in the Greenville MSA, growing but still not a major market and if Dabo slides a bit as the shine wears off as it does for 99.8% of coaches that could be a wasteful move. Otherwise who cares. FSU is good for catching a burning feeling in your pants and Clemson considered a farmer school. If not for the state capital of FL in FSUs backyard theyre really leaning hard on short term and current statuses (FSU has been very up and down last 15 or so years).

For all the silliness coming from some one could easily argue this is anticompetitive behavior and akin to price fixing. NLI sort of clears the way for antitrust stuff to hammer all this activity eventually by pulling the curtain back on what this mess really is.

Clemson is only 124 miles from Atlanta, Tallahassee is basically 240 miles. Unless the B1G Ten wants Georgia Tech, that's as close to a major market in Atlanta as it will likely get. Atlanta is the #6 TV market in America.

Neither Clemson nor FSU are in major media markets, but both draw eyeballs nationally … basically a “national” media market like Notre Dame. FSU would also help the B1G recruit in Florida, not a small consideration.

Not sure what will happen with FSU.

One thing is known and acknowledged … FSU’s AD has been investing heavily in the football program, not just to win now, but to make FSU a more attractive candidate for other conferences.

Any school planning to leave the ACC in the next year would have to notify the conference in writing by Aug. 15. If not, it means schools must remain in the league for two more years.

While there is no change in the Seminoles' status as an ACC member at this moment, they literally can’t afford to remain in the ACC beyond two more years. It will be expensive to leave and, in its own way, expensive to stay and attempt to keep pace with schools with more dough and resources. FSU could negotiate the league’s $120 million exit fee; dig its heels in for the legal battle over the sticky grant of rights and jump conferences (for a negotiated deal); or venture out solo, without a safety net.

Status quo doesn't work anymore.

That's why Alford, in a mad rush, has made substantial investments in football since he was hired 19 months ago. He is working daily to make FSU marketable to other conferences. The Seminoles had fallen behind nationally in resources and wins (32-32 in the ACC since 2015).

Despite the challenges, FSU's brand is strong and undervalued in the ACC.

https://sports.yahoo.com/florida-state- ... 13016.html

DocBarrister

[Essexfenwick]

When UMD monetized it’s location and research budget the ACC hyperventilated and drafted a bulletproof GOR. None of the schools that think they are too good for the ACC can escape without losing more money than they would by staying. Plus the B1G and SEC don’t want or need the drama of getting involved with the insane litigation that will be involved. The ACC schools are thrashing around having a fit and throwing everything against the wall shocked by their powerlessness. The conference used to be pretty arrogant and raided other conferences plus acted elitist. It’s really a bad look academically how their administrators were so stupid and now are so childish and panicky. The ACC schools look like losers and need to start acting dignified.

[Farfromgeneva]

It could happen, but there was some grumbling by the academics when Nebraska was added. This will cause more grumbling.

As you note, they are not in desirable markets, nor do their alumni tend to dominate any desirable markets.

FSU football has not been more valuable than a good B1G football program in decades, and as you note, Clemson might revert to mean as well.

To be fair to Clemson - their mean (over the past 40 years) tends toward top-15, if not top-10.

YEAR :: Record :: Rank
1981 :: 12–0–0 :: 1
1982 :: 9–1–1 :: 8
1983 :: 9–1–1 :: 11
1986 :: 8–2– :: 17
1987 :: 10–2–0 :: 12
1988 :: 10–2–0 :: 9
1989 :: 10–2–0 :: 12
1990 :: 10–2–0 :: 9
1991 :: 9–2–1 :: 18
1993 :: 9–3–0 :: 23
2000 :: 9–3 :: 16
2003 :: 9–4 :: 22
2005 :: 8–4 :: 21
2007 :: 9–4 :: 21
2009 :: 9–5 :: 24
2011 :: 10–4 :: 22
2012 :: 11–2 :: 11
2013 :: 11–2 :: 8
2014 :: 10–3 :: 15
2015 :: 14–1 :: 2
2016 :: 14–1 :: 1
2017 :: 12–2 :: 4
2018 :: 15–0 :: 1
2019 :: 14–1 :: 2
2020 :: 10–2 :: 3
2021 :: 10–3 :: 14

And let's not forget that both Clemson's and FSU's co-ed games are top 10 if not top 5.....

Those 2000s teams were ok but funny because 2-3x they beat UT(ebb for you Texans) in Peach Bowls where they were unranked going in, things like that. Still good but basically most of a twenty years stretch of 90s and 2000s weren’t so desirable for an exurb of secondary market (one which I know well and despite growth Greenville is a little sister city sandwiched between Atlanta and Charlotte but with no major foothold in either. They struggle in many ways against the south’s version of USC.

So they are by combination of market and program long term quality better than FSU but is it accretive vs diluting everyone else’s split? Other than it boxes them out from going elsewhere in borderline anticompetitive behavior?

[Farfromgeneva]

https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... washington

may find out soon if fsu and clemson have the stones.

I still don’t see the value in FSU long term. Clemson is kind of in the Greenville MSA, growing but still not a major market and if Dabo slides a bit as the shine wears off as it does for 99.8% of coaches that could be a wasteful move. Otherwise who cares. FSU is good for catching a burning feeling in your pants and Clemson considered a farmer school. If not for the state capital of FL in FSUs backyard theyre really leaning hard on short term and current statuses (FSU has been very up and down last 15 or so years).

For all the silliness coming from some one could easily argue this is anticompetitive behavior and akin to price fixing. NLI sort of clears the way for antitrust stuff to hammer all this activity eventually by pulling the curtain back on what this mess really is.

Clemson is only 124 miles from Atlanta, Tallahassee is basically 240 miles. Unless the B1G Ten wants Georgia Tech, that's as close to a major market in Atlanta as it will likely get. Atlanta is the #6 TV market in America.

Owned by UGA. Trust me, I live it every day marrying into multi generation, dudes went to tech and plucked their wives out of Agnes Scott, high donor and the maternal side is Furman some odd generations back. This poor upstate NY trash carpetbagger has too much of my fill of southern history between Atlanta and Gville for ten lifetimes. And a second cousin who’s ordained but went to citadel that married us.

Atlanta, despite its transient nature and high volume of northern transplants remains for the forseeavle future wholly owned by UGA.

[Farfromgeneva]

It could happen, but there was some grumbling by the academics when Nebraska was added. This will cause more grumbling.

As you note, they are not in desirable markets, nor do their alumni tend to dominate any desirable markets.

FSU football has not been more valuable than a good B1G football program in decades, and as you note, Clemson might revert to mean as well.

To be fair to Clemson - their mean (over the past 40 years) tends toward top-15, if not top-10.

YEAR :: Record :: Rank
1981 :: 12–0–0 :: 1
1982 :: 9–1–1 :: 8
1983 :: 9–1–1 :: 11
1986 :: 8–2– :: 17
1987 :: 10–2–0 :: 12
1988 :: 10–2–0 :: 9
1989 :: 10–2–0 :: 12
1990 :: 10–2–0 :: 9
1991 :: 9–2–1 :: 18
1993 :: 9–3–0 :: 23
2000 :: 9–3 :: 16
2003 :: 9–4 :: 22
2005 :: 8–4 :: 21
2007 :: 9–4 :: 21
2009 :: 9–5 :: 24
2011 :: 10–4 :: 22
2012 :: 11–2 :: 11
2013 :: 11–2 :: 8
2014 :: 10–3 :: 15
2015 :: 14–1 :: 2
2016 :: 14–1 :: 1
2017 :: 12–2 :: 4
2018 :: 15–0 :: 1
2019 :: 14–1 :: 2
2020 :: 10–2 :: 3
2021 :: 10–3 :: 14

And let's not forget that both Clemson's and FSU's co-ed games are top 10 if not top 5.....

Yeah but you need low deductible health care coverage of STDs with FSUs game. Well worth it to me personally but some folks don’t care for the burn.

U South Carolina is wildly underrated by southern standards. Above Al, auburn, and tenn IMO. I used to post up down the block from a client being an hour or more early at a Starbucks on Gervais at the converters train station and pretend to be working on my laptop while watching the parade.

[wgdsr]

When UMD monetized it’s location and research budget the ACC hyperventilated and drafted a bulletproof GOR. None of the schools that think they are too good for the ACC can escape without losing more money than they would by staying. Plus the B1G and SEC don’t want or need the drama of getting involved with the insane litigation that will be involved. The ACC schools are thrashing around having a fit and throwing everything against the wall shocked by their powerlessness. The conference used to be pretty arrogant and raided other conferences plus acted elitist. It’s really a bad look academically how their administrators were so stupid and now are so childish and panicky. The ACC schools look like losers and need to start acting dignified.

you misspelled florida state.

[Big Dog]

"The Big Ten has begun exploratory discussions about expanding membership to 18 or even 20 teams, industry sources have told Yahoo Sports. The schools being considered are Oregon and Washington if the league adds two schools, and Cal and Stanford if it wants to move to 20. All four institutions are currently members of the Pac-12."


https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-te ... 34989.html

[wgdsr]

so i guess coincidentally, fsu just broke from a board meeting where the prez, ad and a number of trustees whined and cried about the 20 year deal. that they signed. meanwhile, they've been doing this for over a decade even when the diff was a couple million.
https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida- ... eaving-acc

it's unacceptable! this is big boy football!!! another article had a trustee crying they can't fill their stadium after going .500 the last 5 years.

so the question remains... do they have the stones to take this to the attorneys and accept that outcome? buckle up, buttercups!

[DocBarrister]

so i guess coincidentally, fsu just broke from a board meeting where the prez, ad and a number of trustees whined and cried about the 20 year deal. that they signed. meanwhile, they've been doing this for over a decade even when the diff was a couple million.
https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida- ... eaving-acc

it's unacceptable! this is big boy football!!! another article had a trustee crying they can't fill their stadium after going .500 the last 5 years.

so the question remains... do they have the stones to take this to the attorneys and accept that outcome? buckle up, buttercups!

FSU is on the way out of the ACC. They are going to negotiate their way out or sue their way out, but they are on their way out.

ESPN, which is already cutting costs immensely, is probably going to balk at paying even their current meager payout without FSU football as part of the package. That might mean the end of the ESPN/ACC agreement, which will mean the end of the GOR, and the end of the ACC as we know it.

Florida State officials contemplate break from ACC: 'Not a matter of if ... but how and when,' trustee says

During a board of trustees meeting Wednesday, Florida State president Richard McCullough lamented on the gap in revenue projections between ACC schools and the country's top two conferences.

"We are seeing large media deals that have been made like the Big Ten and the SEC, which in many ways -- and perhaps it's an exaggeration -- have created an existential crisis in many ways for Florida State University," McCullough said during Wednesday's meeting. "We will be $30 million per school, per year behind in our gap in conference distribution with contracts that are said to go through 2036. This current situation presents a very difficult situation for us. ... Without increasing revenue, we will face major challenges in being able to compete in football, as the landscape is changing dramatically, with our ability to compete in NIL, coaching salaries and attractive facilities to continue to build our brand and be competitive."

McCullough went on to say the Seminoles "will at some point consider leaving the ACC" barring "radical change in revenue distribution." Other trustees were even more candid on a potential exit from the conference. FSU trustee Drew Weatherford stated, "it's not a matter of if we leave [the ACC], but how and when we leave." FSU trustee Justin Roth additionally called for an exit to come within the next year.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... -says/amp/

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

McCullough echoed those thoughts in a separate interview with ESPN before the meeting began. "I'm not that optimistic that we'll be able to stay," he said in that interview.

"At some point, we're going to have to do something," McCullough said. "I'm not that optimistic that we'll be able to stay. I just don't know that. It could occur, but something radically different is going to have to happen. All options remain on the table."

… Trustee Justin Roth put it this way: "Staying in this conference for the next 13 years and trying to wait for that perfect alignment of the stars is the equivalent of a death by 1,000 cuts and each cut is a $30 million cut over the next 13 years."

Board chair Peter Collins, who told Warchant.com on Tuesday the grant of rights "will not be the document that keeps us from taking action," told trustees they would hear again from Alford and McCullough soon on a plan moving forward.

"We've got to fight for ourselves," Collins told the board. "When the gap gets that big, it's insurmountable."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... stribution

If/when FSU does challenge the GOR in court, I doubt they will be alone. They will probably be joined by other “Magnificent Seven” schools to break the GOR. If I had to guess, I would wager that FSU wins that fight, especially if half the ACC has joined their side and FSU files in a Florida state court.

Just about the only thing more certain than the demise of the ACC (as we know it), is the demise of the PAC 12.

DocBarrister

[JoeMauer89]

McCullough echoed those thoughts in a separate interview with ESPN before the meeting began. "I'm not that optimistic that we'll be able to stay," he said in that interview.

"At some point, we're going to have to do something," McCullough said. "I'm not that optimistic that we'll be able to stay. I just don't know that. It could occur, but something radically different is going to have to happen. All options remain on the table."

… Trustee Justin Roth put it this way: "Staying in this conference for the next 13 years and trying to wait for that perfect alignment of the stars is the equivalent of a death by 1,000 cuts and each cut is a $30 million cut over the next 13 years."

Board chair Peter Collins, who told Warchant.com on Tuesday the grant of rights "will not be the document that keeps us from taking action," told trustees they would hear again from Alford and McCullough soon on a plan moving forward.

"We've got to fight for ourselves," Collins told the board. "When the gap gets that big, it's insurmountable."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... stribution

If/when FSU does challenge the GOR in court, I doubt they will be alone. They will probably be joined by other “Magnificent Seven” schools to break the GOR. If I had to guess, I would wager that FSU wins that fight, especially if half the ACC has joined their side and FSU files in a Florida state court.

Just about the only thing more certain than the demise of the ACC (as we know it), is the demise of the PAC 12.

DocBarrister

Another prediction,

How many of these have come true by now?

Joe

[DocBarrister]

McCullough echoed those thoughts in a separate interview with ESPN before the meeting began. "I'm not that optimistic that we'll be able to stay," he said in that interview.

"At some point, we're going to have to do something," McCullough said. "I'm not that optimistic that we'll be able to stay. I just don't know that. It could occur, but something radically different is going to have to happen. All options remain on the table."

… Trustee Justin Roth put it this way: "Staying in this conference for the next 13 years and trying to wait for that perfect alignment of the stars is the equivalent of a death by 1,000 cuts and each cut is a $30 million cut over the next 13 years."

Board chair Peter Collins, who told Warchant.com on Tuesday the grant of rights "will not be the document that keeps us from taking action," told trustees they would hear again from Alford and McCullough soon on a plan moving forward.

"We've got to fight for ourselves," Collins told the board. "When the gap gets that big, it's insurmountable."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... stribution

If/when FSU does challenge the GOR in court, I doubt they will be alone. They will probably be joined by other “Magnificent Seven” schools to break the GOR. If I had to guess, I would wager that FSU wins that fight, especially if half the ACC has joined their side and FSU files in a Florida state court.

Just about the only thing more certain than the demise of the ACC (as we know it), is the demise of the PAC 12.

DocBarrister

Another prediction,

How many of these have come true by now?

Joe

They are coming true now.

The notion that the ACC would continue with its current media contract and membership roster through 2036 is now borderline delusional.

It’s going to require some serious outside-the-box thinking and major revenue shifting to keep the ACC together. Basically, the ACC will need to find a way to pay FSU and Clemson $30 million more each year to keep the conference intact. Commissioner Phillips is an upstanding guy, but he’s not a particularly creative or bold leader. His recent comments suggest he is in a serious state of denial … as are some of you.

DocBarrister