Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

[old salt]

So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

[SCLaxAttack]

So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

Whaaah. Whaaah. Quit your crying. For all your posts suggesting you're not a Trumpist MAGAt, here you are pulling his sort of B S.... only the best hires until you disagree with them, then they suck.

[MDlaxfan76]

So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

You sure are far down this Deep State rathole aren't you, Salty?

And no, Tolman actually isn't more qualified than me. He's become a partisan hack, a lobbyist for hire.

So, yeah, that disqualifies him as an unbiased commentator.

Me, I'm fine with holding Hunter or anyone else to account for whatever crimes they have committed, I don't care about R or D or whatever. Sure, I want due process, allegations aren't evidence, but if there's evidence of a crime, then prosecute it to its conclusion. In this matter, and most matters, that means a plea, not a trial.

This exact violation, not checking the right box on a gun purchase form, rarely is charged UNLESS there is a threat of usage by the perpetrator inappropriately or lying about it to police. And if charged as a minor offense, a plea with probation would be accepted in the regular course assuming there was a sincere belief by the prosecutor that the perp isn't an ongoing threat. Probation/diversion...yup, not a problem. It's a negotiation to put it to bed.

And yes, tax avoidance crimes are almost never prosecuted when the money is paid back in full. It doesn't matter whether the money returned was paid through a loan, donations, or art sales...it's paid back. And if there's a plea offered, it's typically accepted.

It's when you fight the prosecutor, lie to the prosecutor, that you tend to do time. As you should. Regardless of R or D.

When you tell me that's what you want for all R's committing crimes, as well as D's, we'll find some common ground.

[MDlaxfan76]

BTW, it is true that if you are deemed an actual threat or continue to lie, prosecutions can be pretty tough: https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-pro ... ansactions

[old salt]

So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

You sure are far down this Deep State rathole aren't you, Salty?

And no, Tolman actually isn't more qualified than me. He's become a partisan hack, a lobbyist for hire.

So, yeah, that disqualifies him as an unbiased commentator.

Me, I'm fine with holding Hunter or anyone else to account for whatever crimes they have committed, I don't care about R or D or whatever. Sure, I want due process, allegations aren't evidence, but if there's evidence of a crime, then prosecute it to its conclusion. In this matter, and most matters, that means a plea, not a trial.

This exact violation, not checking the right box on a gun purchase form, rarely is charged UNLESS there is a threat of usage by the perpetrator inappropriately or lying about it to police. And if charged as a minor offense, a plea with probation would be accepted in the regular course assuming there was a sincere belief by the prosecutor that the perp isn't an ongoing threat. Probation/diversion...yup, not a problem. It's a negotiation to put it to bed.

And yes, tax avoidance crimes are almost never prosecuted when the money is paid back in full. It doesn't matter whether the money returned was paid through a loan, donations, or art sales...it's paid back. And if there's a plea offered, it's typically accepted.

It's when you fight the prosecutor, lie to the prosecutor, that you tend to do time. As you should. Regardless of R or D.

When you tell me that's what you want for all R's committing crimes, as well as D's, we'll find some common ground.

It wasn't a matter of checking the right box on a form. It was fraud -- which allowed a gun sale which would not have otherwise been allowed. The sale of a gun to a raging addict who was a danger to himself & others. That's why his widowed sister-in-law mistress freaked out & ditched it.

Are you ok with allowing the SOL's to expire, & NO, they did not expire during Trump's term, even though he was impeached for trying to get the evidence while he was still in office.

[old salt]

BTW, it is true that if you are deemed an actual threat or continue to lie, prosecutions can be pretty tough: https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-pro ... ansactions

How many diversions, w/ no time served & a clean record after 2 yrs probation ?

You think Hunter wasn't an actual threat? Did you see his dick-pics while playing with his gun, ...or was that Russian disinfo ?

[old salt]

So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

Whaaah. Whaaah. Quit your crying. For all your posts suggesting you're not a Trumpist MAGAt, here you are pulling his sort of B S.... only the best hires until you disagree with them, then they suck.

My hope is that there will be indictments that prevent both Trump & Biden from being nominated to run again.

Weiss couldn't even slide this sweetheart deal through in DE. That's some great lawyer-ing.

[Kismet]

A pity Saltine Cracker does not apply the same legal logic to cases where his political pals are involved -

The hypocrisy, while stunning, is quite in character

[MDlaxfan76]

So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

You sure are far down this Deep State rathole aren't you, Salty?

And no, Tolman actually isn't more qualified than me. He's become a partisan hack, a lobbyist for hire.

So, yeah, that disqualifies him as an unbiased commentator.

Me, I'm fine with holding Hunter or anyone else to account for whatever crimes they have committed, I don't care about R or D or whatever. Sure, I want due process, allegations aren't evidence, but if there's evidence of a crime, then prosecute it to its conclusion. In this matter, and most matters, that means a plea, not a trial.

This exact violation, not checking the right box on a gun purchase form, rarely is charged UNLESS there is a threat of usage by the perpetrator inappropriately or lying about it to police. And if charged as a minor offense, a plea with probation would be accepted in the regular course assuming there was a sincere belief by the prosecutor that the perp isn't an ongoing threat. Probation/diversion...yup, not a problem. It's a negotiation to put it to bed.

And yes, tax avoidance crimes are almost never prosecuted when the money is paid back in full. It doesn't matter whether the money returned was paid through a loan, donations, or art sales...it's paid back. And if there's a plea offered, it's typically accepted.

It's when you fight the prosecutor, lie to the prosecutor, that you tend to do time. As you should. Regardless of R or D.

When you tell me that's what you want for all R's committing crimes, as well as D's, we'll find some common ground.

It wasn't a matter of checking the right box on a form. It was fraud -- which allowed a gun sale which would not have otherwise been allowed. The sale of a gun to a raging addict who was a danger to himself & others. That's why his widowed sister-in-law mistress freaked out & ditched it.

Are you ok with allowing the SOL's to expire, & NO, they did not expire during Trump's term, even though he was impeached for trying to get the evidence while he was still in office.

I'm ok with a plea deal, as I don't believe that Hunter is a threat to society today, and apparently that's the Trump appointed prosecutor's view as well. I don't see any reason not to trust that determination. I suspect that the Trump appointed judge will agree with whatever they land on as a workable plea that meets her view of constitutional responsibility, separation of powers.

I note that you won't agree with me that any R's and D's should be prosecuted when there's evidence of a crime, and if they fight, lie, in response, they should do jail time.

So...that makes you the "fraud".
Invitation is open, however, to change your mind and join me in that position.

[old salt]

So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

You sure are far down this Deep State rathole aren't you, Salty?

And no, Tolman actually isn't more qualified than me. He's become a partisan hack, a lobbyist for hire.

So, yeah, that disqualifies him as an unbiased commentator.

Me, I'm fine with holding Hunter or anyone else to account for whatever crimes they have committed, I don't care about R or D or whatever. Sure, I want due process, allegations aren't evidence, but if there's evidence of a crime, then prosecute it to its conclusion. In this matter, and most matters, that means a plea, not a trial.

This exact violation, not checking the right box on a gun purchase form, rarely is charged UNLESS there is a threat of usage by the perpetrator inappropriately or lying about it to police. And if charged as a minor offense, a plea with probation would be accepted in the regular course assuming there was a sincere belief by the prosecutor that the perp isn't an ongoing threat. Probation/diversion...yup, not a problem. It's a negotiation to put it to bed.

And yes, tax avoidance crimes are almost never prosecuted when the money is paid back in full. It doesn't matter whether the money returned was paid through a loan, donations, or art sales...it's paid back. And if there's a plea offered, it's typically accepted.

It's when you fight the prosecutor, lie to the prosecutor, that you tend to do time. As you should. Regardless of R or D.

When you tell me that's what you want for all R's committing crimes, as well as D's, we'll find some common ground.

It wasn't a matter of checking the right box on a form. It was fraud -- which allowed a gun sale which would not have otherwise been allowed. The sale of a gun to a raging addict who was a danger to himself & others. That's why his widowed sister-in-law mistress freaked out & ditched it.

Are you ok with allowing the SOL's to expire, & NO, they did not expire during Trump's term, even though he was impeached for trying to get the evidence while he was still in office.

I'm ok with a plea deal, as I don't believe that Hunter is a threat to society today, and apparently that's the Trump appointed prosecutor's view as well. I don't see any reason not to trust that determination. I suspect that the Trump appointed judge will agree with whatever they land on as a workable plea that meets her view of constitutional responsibility, separation of powers.

I note that you won't agree with me that any R's and D's should be prosecuted when there's evidence of a crime, and if they fight, lie, in response, they should do jail time.

So...that makes you the "fraud".
Invitation is open, however, to change your mind and join me in that position.

Was Manafort a threat to society ?

[MDlaxfan76]

BTW, it is true that if you are deemed an actual threat or continue to lie, prosecutions can be pretty tough: https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-pro ... ansactions

How many diversions, w/ no time served & a clean record after 2 yrs probation ?

You think Hunter wasn't an actual threat? Did you see his dick-pics while playing with his gun, ...or was that Russian disinfo ?

Yes, I think during that period of time his having a gun, even for those two weeks, was a threat to others and to himself.

But the plea to that crime is now, and I don't think he remains a threat to others...AND he's not allowed to have a gun, period...AND if he starts using drugs again he breaks probation and goes to jail.

I'm ok with that outcome if the Trump-appointed prosecutor is. He knows more than I do about the strength of the case and the desirability of accepting a plea. But, from reporting, seems appropriate to me.

I don't see an ongoing threat to society.

[MDlaxfan76]

So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

You sure are far down this Deep State rathole aren't you, Salty?

And no, Tolman actually isn't more qualified than me. He's become a partisan hack, a lobbyist for hire.

So, yeah, that disqualifies him as an unbiased commentator.

Me, I'm fine with holding Hunter or anyone else to account for whatever crimes they have committed, I don't care about R or D or whatever. Sure, I want due process, allegations aren't evidence, but if there's evidence of a crime, then prosecute it to its conclusion. In this matter, and most matters, that means a plea, not a trial.

This exact violation, not checking the right box on a gun purchase form, rarely is charged UNLESS there is a threat of usage by the perpetrator inappropriately or lying about it to police. And if charged as a minor offense, a plea with probation would be accepted in the regular course assuming there was a sincere belief by the prosecutor that the perp isn't an ongoing threat. Probation/diversion...yup, not a problem. It's a negotiation to put it to bed.

And yes, tax avoidance crimes are almost never prosecuted when the money is paid back in full. It doesn't matter whether the money returned was paid through a loan, donations, or art sales...it's paid back. And if there's a plea offered, it's typically accepted.

It's when you fight the prosecutor, lie to the prosecutor, that you tend to do time. As you should. Regardless of R or D.

When you tell me that's what you want for all R's committing crimes, as well as D's, we'll find some common ground.

It wasn't a matter of checking the right box on a form. It was fraud -- which allowed a gun sale which would not have otherwise been allowed. The sale of a gun to a raging addict who was a danger to himself & others. That's why his widowed sister-in-law mistress freaked out & ditched it.

Are you ok with allowing the SOL's to expire, & NO, they did not expire during Trump's term, even though he was impeached for trying to get the evidence while he was still in office.

I'm ok with a plea deal, as I don't believe that Hunter is a threat to society today, and apparently that's the Trump appointed prosecutor's view as well. I don't see any reason not to trust that determination. I suspect that the Trump appointed judge will agree with whatever they land on as a workable plea that meets her view of constitutional responsibility, separation of powers.

I note that you won't agree with me that any R's and D's should be prosecuted when there's evidence of a crime, and if they fight, lie, in response, they should do jail time.

So...that makes you the "fraud".
Invitation is open, however, to change your mind and join me in that position.

Was Manafort a threat to society ?

Absolutely.
Not with a gun, perhaps, but a very dangerous individual IMO to our democracy.

But he was provided a plea deal that would have kept him out of jail...but he breached it...lying and lying and lying again...oops. Time for jail.

Good thing he had a corrupt POTUS to pardon him.

[cradleandshoot]

So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

You sure are far down this Deep State rathole aren't you, Salty?

And no, Tolman actually isn't more qualified than me. He's become a partisan hack, a lobbyist for hire.

So, yeah, that disqualifies him as an unbiased commentator.

Me, I'm fine with holding Hunter or anyone else to account for whatever crimes they have committed, I don't care about R or D or whatever. Sure, I want due process, allegations aren't evidence, but if there's evidence of a crime, then prosecute it to its conclusion. In this matter, and most matters, that means a plea, not a trial.

This exact violation, not checking the right box on a gun purchase form, rarely is charged UNLESS there is a threat of usage by the perpetrator inappropriately or lying about it to police. And if charged as a minor offense, a plea with probation would be accepted in the regular course assuming there was a sincere belief by the prosecutor that the perp isn't an ongoing threat. Probation/diversion...yup, not a problem. It's a negotiation to put it to bed.

And yes, tax avoidance crimes are almost never prosecuted when the money is paid back in full. It doesn't matter whether the money returned was paid through a loan, donations, or art sales...it's paid back. And if there's a plea offered, it's typically accepted.

It's when you fight the prosecutor, lie to the prosecutor, that you tend to do time. As you should. Regardless of R or D.

When you tell me that's what you want for all R's committing crimes, as well as D's, we'll find some common ground.

It wasn't a matter of checking the right box on a form. It was fraud -- which allowed a gun sale which would not have otherwise been allowed. The sale of a gun to a raging addict who was a danger to himself & others. That's why his widowed sister-in-law mistress freaked out & ditched it.

Are you ok with allowing the SOL's to expire, & NO, they did not expire during Trump's term, even though he was impeached for trying to get the evidence while he was still in office.

I'm ok with a plea deal, as I don't believe that Hunter is a threat to society today, and apparently that's the Trump appointed prosecutor's view as well. I don't see any reason not to trust that determination. I suspect that the Trump appointed judge will agree with whatever they land on as a workable plea that meets her view of constitutional responsibility, separation of powers.

I note that you won't agree with me that any R's and D's should be prosecuted when there's evidence of a crime, and if they fight, lie, in response, they should do jail time.

So...that makes you the "fraud".
Invitation is open, however, to change your mind and join me in that position.

Was Manafort a threat to society ?

Absolutely.
Not with a gun, perhaps, but a very dangerous individual IMO to our democracy.

But he was provided a plea deal that would have kept him out of jail...but he breached it...lying and lying and lying again...oops. Time for jail.

Good thing he had a corrupt POTUS to pardon him.

Time to put on the hip boots. What your shoveling here is getting mighty deep. I wonder how long it will take Hunter to get back to his old lying, degenerate scumbag self. Oh wait, he learned his lesson this time. Good boy Hunter, good boy. The expectation is that this tiger has changed his stripes. Tigers never change their stripes. His eternal pompousness and arrogance will be his own downfall. I believe him when he says he can hold a grudge like nobody's business. I find it hard to believe that he somehow wasn't spawned by trump.

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So, it ain't that it's not a fair deal...

Popadop had to plead guilty to a felony process crime (because he couldn't afford to defend himself) & spent 14 days in a Fed pen because he mixed up the dates on when he met with Misfud when he was ambushed & entrapped by the FBI at the airport. No gun. No chance of violent crime, while Hunter's gun ended up in a dumpster near a school.
Hunter should have a felony record & spend at least 15 days in the pen. ...then he wouldn't have to worry about a future big bad Trump DoJ.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hu ... diversion/

Biden’s DOJ is letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

by Brett Tolman, June 20, 2023
What a breathtaking and damaging act of misdirection. After five years of investigation into a host of criminal acts by Hunter Biden, the Department of Justice (DOJ) finally brought charges against the president’s wayward son. But while the DOJ hopes the public focuses on words like “charges” and “guilty” to form an image of accountability for all, it’s letting Hunter walk away with the kind of slap on the wrist most defendants can only dream about from inside a prison cell.

In the same breath in which DOJ announced it was filing charges against Hunter Biden, it also stated that the case had already been resolved. Hunter will plead guilty to and serve probation for two tax fraud misdemeanors while a felony firearm possession charge will disappear after he completes pretrial diversion. It’s a resolution that if the defendant’s last name weren’t Biden would sound almost too good to be true.

The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won’t even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

...diversion programs across the country have improved public safety at lower cost to taxpayers than prison alternatives.
But that’s clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves — at least when it’s not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter’s were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets.

That Hunter will walk away with few consequences where thousands have instead been left to languish in federal prisons in terrible conditions paints a picture of a two-tiered justice system where an accident of birth can matter more than the facts of a case. We can debate which tier is better for our country or how we ought to respond to these kinds of transgressions. But the legitimacy of the criminal justice system demands that there be only one track that applies fairly to all.

So, no, this is not a day of accountability. It is one of power and privilege securing special benefits while hoping the rest of us are too distracted by the headlines to notice. We shouldn’t let this pass without calling it out for what it is and then working to improve it.

Brett Tolman is a former U.S. Attorney and Executive Director of Right On Crime.

come on, Tolman has been a partisan activist for a long time, right wing backing all along. He's a frequent partisan hack on Fox, that paragon of truth telling, and he's a lobbyist now in DC for right wing causes and, frankly, anyone who will grease him...and oh yeah, this:

On January 17, 2021, the New York Times published an article reporting that Tolman has "collect[ed] tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme".[20]

And he's bothered that Hunter would get off on a plea deal? Made by a Trump appointed prosecutor?

Nah, pleas are typical with no jail time if there's restitution and admission of guilt. And this crime, which you love to label "process", was merely not admitting on a gun purchase form that he was currently addicted to drugs...this isn't the sort of thing that Holman is referring to with 94% of "gun crimes"...Tolmon knows he's misrepresenting, of course, so pure partisan hackery.

It's when there's not restitution and not admission of guilt, but rather baldly lying to the Feds, ala Papadop, that you go to jail.

But sure, we can agree that having resources to pay for good legal counsel matters in America.

When you don't like the facts, attack the messenger.
Tolman's a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to offer an opinion on this.
How many diversions on over 4000 gun charges have been offered by the Biden DoJ. Zero.

The gun crime wasn't just an admin crime. His gun was dumped & could have easily been recovered & used in a crime.
It's lot more serious than what Papadop did.

Restitution ? That's a joke -- unsecured "loans" & "art" sale scams to political supporters.
The Trump appointed US Atty prosecutor is a joke. The AUSA who did the damage is a Dem partisan. Not only did she & Weiss try to slip an unconstitutional plea deal by a savvy Judge, they delayed the tax charges until the SOL ran on 2014 & 2015 taxes & he's allowing the 5 year FARA SOL to expire. The whole DE sham investigation stinks. That's like hiding behind a senile Muller, because he was a (R) when he still was aware of what he was doing, while letting a (D) partisan like Weissmann lead a team of partisan (D) prosecutors & investigators.

You sure are far down this Deep State rathole aren't you, Salty?

And no, Tolman actually isn't more qualified than me. He's become a partisan hack, a lobbyist for hire.

So, yeah, that disqualifies him as an unbiased commentator.

Me, I'm fine with holding Hunter or anyone else to account for whatever crimes they have committed, I don't care about R or D or whatever. Sure, I want due process, allegations aren't evidence, but if there's evidence of a crime, then prosecute it to its conclusion. In this matter, and most matters, that means a plea, not a trial.

This exact violation, not checking the right box on a gun purchase form, rarely is charged UNLESS there is a threat of usage by the perpetrator inappropriately or lying about it to police. And if charged as a minor offense, a plea with probation would be accepted in the regular course assuming there was a sincere belief by the prosecutor that the perp isn't an ongoing threat. Probation/diversion...yup, not a problem. It's a negotiation to put it to bed.

And yes, tax avoidance crimes are almost never prosecuted when the money is paid back in full. It doesn't matter whether the money returned was paid through a loan, donations, or art sales...it's paid back. And if there's a plea offered, it's typically accepted.

It's when you fight the prosecutor, lie to the prosecutor, that you tend to do time. As you should. Regardless of R or D.

When you tell me that's what you want for all R's committing crimes, as well as D's, we'll find some common ground.

It wasn't a matter of checking the right box on a form. It was fraud -- which allowed a gun sale which would not have otherwise been allowed. The sale of a gun to a raging addict who was a danger to himself & others. That's why his widowed sister-in-law mistress freaked out & ditched it.

Are you ok with allowing the SOL's to expire, & NO, they did not expire during Trump's term, even though he was impeached for trying to get the evidence while he was still in office.

I'm ok with a plea deal, as I don't believe that Hunter is a threat to society today, and apparently that's the Trump appointed prosecutor's view as well. I don't see any reason not to trust that determination. I suspect that the Trump appointed judge will agree with whatever they land on as a workable plea that meets her view of constitutional responsibility, separation of powers.

I note that you won't agree with me that any R's and D's should be prosecuted when there's evidence of a crime, and if they fight, lie, in response, they should do jail time.

So...that makes you the "fraud".
Invitation is open, however, to change your mind and join me in that position.

Was Manafort a threat to society ?

Absolutely.
Not with a gun, perhaps, but a very dangerous individual IMO to our democracy.

But he was provided a plea deal that would have kept him out of jail...but he breached it...lying and lying and lying again...oops. Time for jail.

Good thing he had a corrupt POTUS to pardon him.

Time to put on the hip boots. What your shoveling here is getting mighty deep. I wonder how long it will take Hunter to get back to his old lying, degenerate scumbag self. Oh wait, he learned his lesson this time. Good boy Hunter, good boy. The expectation is that this tiger has changed his stripes. Tigers never change their stripes. His eternal pompousness and arrogance will be his own downfall. I believe him when he says he can hold a grudge like nobody's business. I find it hard to believe that he somehow wasn't spawned by trump.

You're free to make that prediction of someone who you've never met, never discussed his addiction with, nor met with any of his counselors, etc, but I'll trust the Trump-appointed prosecutor to not be so vindictive and nasty about someone else's personal failings.

I hope for Hunter, like I would wish for any other addict, that he stays clean and sober for good.
If he doesn't, under this plea agreement, he'll go to jail.

BTW, do you disagree with me re Manafort too?

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BTW, it is true that if you are deemed an actual threat or continue to lie, prosecutions can be pretty tough: https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-pro ... ansactions

How many diversions, w/ no time served & a clean record after 2 yrs probation ?

You think Hunter wasn't an actual threat? Did you see his dick-pics while playing with his gun, ...or was that Russian disinfo ?

Back to Mr. Barr and his predecessors. How old is that freaking gun charge? And the gun charge has NOTHING to do with the IRS.

They could have dropped that dime in 2018 when they had Hunter on that gun charge, cold. The IRS could have continued blissfully on their way, investigating 'til the Republicans running that show finally gave up after five years.

THIS is why you are on TeamTInFoilHat: you don't want Justice. You don't want truth. You don't bend to any logic that keeps you from blaming the Dems.

What YOU want is: blame conspiracy on Dems. It's so transparently obvious, it hurts.

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You think Hunter wasn't an actual threat? Did you see his dick-pics while playing with his gun, ...or was that Russian disinfo ?

I love how all the people on the right screeching about Hunter are also distributing private naked pics of him all over the internet, including potentially to minors.

They really are obsessed with his junk, it's hilarious.

The right-wing fixation with Hunter Biden’s nudes, explained

Why have Marjorie Taylor Greene, Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson tried calling attention to pictures of the president’s naked son?

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BTW, it is true that if you are deemed an actual threat or continue to lie, prosecutions can be pretty tough: https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/federal-pro ... ansactions

How many diversions, w/ no time served & a clean record after 2 yrs probation ?

You think Hunter wasn't an actual threat? Did you see his dick-pics while playing with his gun, ...or was that Russian disinfo ?

Back to Mr. Barr and his predecessors. How old is that freaking gun charge? And the gun charge has NOTHING to do with the IRS.

They could have dropped that dime in 2018 when they had Hunter on that gun charge, cold. The IRS could have continued blissfully on their way, investigating 'til the Republicans running that show finally gave up after five years.

THIS is why you are on TeamTInFoilHat: you don't want Justice. You don't want truth. You don't bend to any logic that keeps you from blaming the Dems.

What YOU want is: blame conspiracy on Dems. It's so transparently obvious, it hurts.

Why rush ? The SOL had not yet run. They were still getting evidence on other crimes.
They got evidence on the gun charge from the laptop.

[a fan]

Why rush ? The SOL had not yet run.

Simple....you're not thinking this through.

The reason you'd do that is that you believe that there is a Deep State. Remember? You guys are convinced that's in place in the Federal Government.

Do you think Barr is unaware that you think that? So....if YOU believed that, and saw that Biden was about to arrive in January, and start the dirty tricks that you're 100% his "Deep State" does.....what would you do?

You'd indict on the layup gun charges. Then you'd indict on the no filing in 2015 and 2016 charges.

Then you'd let the FBI and DoJ keep working, hoping they'd find more.


Its simple, OS; is there a Deep State conspiracy, or not? You keep trying to contort your reasoning to fit your conclusion.

It doesn't work.

[old salt]

Why rush ? The SOL had not yet run.

Simple....you're not thinking this through.

The reason you'd do that is that you believe that there is a Deep State. Remember? You guys are convinced that's in place in the Federal Government.

Do you think Barr is unaware that you think that? So....if YOU believed that, and saw that Biden was about to arrive in January, and start the dirty tricks that you're 100% his "Deep State" does.....what would you do?

You'd indict on the layup gun charges. Then you'd indict on the no filing in 2015 and 2016 charges.

Then you'd let the FBI and DoJ keep working, hoping they'd find more.


Its simple, OS; is there a Deep State conspiracy, or not? You keep trying to contort your reasoning to fit your conclusion.

It doesn't work.

The amount of evidence is relevant to the sentence.

[a fan]

Why rush ? The SOL had not yet run.

Simple....you're not thinking this through.

The reason you'd do that is that you believe that there is a Deep State. Remember? You guys are convinced that's in place in the Federal Government.

Do you think Barr is unaware that you think that? So....if YOU believed that, and saw that Biden was about to arrive in January, and start the dirty tricks that you're 100% his "Deep State" does.....what would you do?

You'd indict on the layup gun charges. Then you'd indict on the no filing in 2015 and 2016 charges.

Then you'd let the FBI and DoJ keep working, hoping they'd find more.


Its simple, OS; is there a Deep State conspiracy, or not? You keep trying to contort your reasoning to fit your conclusion.

It doesn't work.

The amount of evidence is relevant to the sentence.

Then you have to blame them for working too slowly on a layup case. He didn't file taxes AT ALL for two years. And you're telling me here that they can't get charges prepped in two years? Or make a simple Federal gun charge stick in a year or two?

Come on. How the F did Mueller manage to get his investigation done in two years, then? Magic Beans?

You're trying SO hard to hold Barr, Rettig, and Wray blameless that you're making yourself dizzy.