Israel and West Bank Settlements

[Typical Lax Dad]

I didn't believe it when it was making the media rounds. Thought "oh, this must be more partisan nonsense spin". So naturally, I looked up what was ACTUALLY being proposed, expecting Pete Brown nonsense from the libs.

There you go. Skeptical. DIdn't believe what the Dems were claiming. Read the statute for myself, instead of a summary from "some guy on the internet". Just like you're supposed to do.

So...how about "nice job, a fan"?

I don't recall you objecting to that one specific instruction that included "personal benefit" that triggered all your fellow demagogues

Fellow demagogues?

You SERIOUSLY can't just admit the the sentence that made it into law is NOTHING like the Statement they released? You HONESTLY can't just say: "geez, that was a sh*t job of conveying that complex idea into law, they should really rewrite that law to fit the idea they want teachers to teach"?

I IGNORED what anyone said, and read the statute for myself, OS. And drew my own simple, logical conclusion. No media. No spin.

Just me and the text. Umberto Eco would have been proud. You should be, too.

Did you notice that one specific instruction which included "personal benefit"
& were you outraged by just that one instruction, before it became a matter of public debate ?

I noticed every word! Read each one!

And as I just told you: I IGNORED the public debate, and formed my own opinion based on what was ACTUALLY in the law.

And the law reads NOTHING like the statement they issued later. These scholars should be embarrassed that there is ZERO resemblance between their Statement, and the actual freaking law.

Because teachers can ignore their statement. But they can NOT ignore the law. Shame on these authors for not pulling up a seat at the big boy table, setting their Ivory Tower nonsense aside, and FIXING THE D*MN LAW to match how their Statement read.........

Yes. You read every word. When you read the Instruction which contained "personal benefit" did it stand out to you as particularly egregious compared to the rest of the guidelines, before you heard any other critique highlighting that specific Instruction ? Did it immediately trigger your analogy to the Holocaust before you read or heard it elsewhere ?

Were you alerted to that Instruction & looking for it in your first reading of the entire document ?

These folks had no utility and didn’t derive any personal benefit….but you do you….

[old salt]

These folks had no utility and didn’t derive any personal benefit….but you do you….

Your attempts at visual humor are truely sick...but you do you.

[Kismet]

These folks had no utility and didn’t derive any personal benefit….but you do you….

Your attempts at Holocaust humor are truely sick...but you do you.

so sez the guy who brought up Mengele to ostensibly make some kind of inane point.

[old salt]

These folks had no utility and didn’t derive any personal benefit….but you do you….

Your attempts at Holocaust humor are truely sick...but you do you.

so sez the guy who brought up Mengele to ostensibly make some kind of inane point.

That was a valid analogy of two govt doctors using the power of their positions to experiment with children, without gruesome pictures.

[Typical Lax Dad]

These folks had no utility and didn’t derive any personal benefit….but you do you….

Your attempts at visual humor are truely sick...but you do you.

The focus of the humor is you my friend….defending a guy that claims the survivors are the folks that had utility…. Yeah….that guy….

[old salt]

These folks had no utility and didn’t derive any personal benefit….but you do you….

Your attempts at visual humor are truely sick...but you do you.

The focus of the humor is you my friend….defending a guy that claims the survivors are the folks that had utility…. Yeah….that guy….

BS. That's not what he claimed & that's not what I defended. He was quoting Frankl.
He was responding to another panelist who compared slavery to the Holocaust.

[Typical Lax Dad]

These folks had no utility and didn’t derive any personal benefit….but you do you….

Your attempts at visual humor are truely sick...but you do you.

The focus of the humor is you my friend….defending a guy that claims the survivors are the folks that had utility…. Yeah….that guy….

BS. That's not what he said & that's not what I defended. He was quoting Frankl.
He was responding to another panelist who compared slavery to the Holocaust.

you just putting it out there too!

[MDlaxfan76]

These folks had no utility and didn’t derive any personal benefit….but you do you….

Your attempts at visual humor are truely sick...but you do you.

The focus of the humor is you my friend….defending a guy that claims the survivors are the folks that had utility…. Yeah….that guy….

BS. That's not what he said & that's not what I defended. He was quoting Frankl.
He was responding to another panelist who compared slavery to the Holocaust.

First, Gutfeld did not quote Frankl at all. Wasn't a quote. And nowhere, nohow does Frankl say what Gutfeld claimed.

Second, what Gutfeld claimed Frankl said is grossly misrepresenting Frankl to conform with supremacist ideology. "Utility" "usefulness"...

Third, Frankl wrote of the importance of finding meaning, purpose, love as the secrets to survival...not "utility".

Fourth, it's a gross perversion of Frankl's message to claim otherwise...did Gutfeld knowingly do so? He certainly made a pretentious assertion of intellectuality, but he may just have read it from one of his white supremacist sources and repeated it without questioning...which is now what you're doing.

7 Viktor Frankl Quotes to Motivate You to Find Your Purpose
What we can learn from an ex-prisoner of a concentration camp.

Peter Burns
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One of the most beautiful books I have had the pleasure of reading is Viktor Frankl’s “Man’s Search for Meaning”. Leafing through the pages gives you such a deep perspective on life, suffering, and the meaning of it all, that at times you are left gasping for air.
Every page is so full of realizations, profound statements, and hidden nuggets of wisdom. You will find yourself reading and rereading certain passages in order to better grasp the lessons.

Viktor Frankl was a man who lived through an experience that is hard to imagine for a person of today’s world. For four years of his life, he lived in a concentration camp, herded around like cattle, surviving on meagre rations of food, and not knowing whether he was going to live to see the next day.
Yet survive he did, for he showed enormous willpower and courage to make it through this day, and then the next day that would come, and the next, all the way until his liberation came.

The reason why he was able to do that was because he found meaning in his experience, and a sense of purpose that willed him to survive.
He lived through that horrible experience so that he could teach others to live a better life. As a psychiatrist, he developed a method called logotherapy, that he used for treating patients who suffered from depression, substance abuse, anxiety, and various other problems.
It was based on Frankl’s observation that those people who survived the concentration camps during the Holocaust, were the ones who found the strongest will to live by finding meaning.

Frankl then surmised that the primary force that motivates people in life is to find meaning. He called it ‘will to meaning’.
This is similar to what some other philosophers have proposed as the main motivating factors for people: Friedrich Nietzsche’s will to power, and Sigmund Freud’s will to pleasure.

If you take the ideas of these 3 philosophers together, you can see that most people are driven by one of these factors:

Will to power
Will to pleasure
Will to meaning

While all these have explanatory power on the human condition, it is only Frankl’s concept that gives you a prescription on how to live a happier life.
Frankl’s insights have greatly helped many people who have faced existential questions. His methods helped them to find a meaning and a purpose, and thereby a will to live.

His ideas are quite profound and inspirational, and if you are a person that is searching for meaning and/or purpose, they can help you in that quest. Above all, they can give you a direction for your life.
This can be priceless.

1. Find a Why
“Those who have a ‘why’ to live, can bear with almost any ‘how’.”
― Viktor E. Frankl quoting Friedrich Nietzsche
‘If you find a why, then you can bear any how.’ This is one of the most profound statements of the entire book. If you find your purpose, then you can overcome any challenge that life throws at you.

Finding meaning in your experiences, and having a purpose, can create a fortress of the mind that’ll shield you from life’s many hardships.
This reminds me of ancient Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius’ advice to be like a rock which breaks all the waves that crash against it. Having a why can make you into that rock.

Frankl found his why, and that turned him into a rock that nothing could touch. His mind became strong, and allowed him to survive in conditions where most perished.

2. Success and Happiness Cannot Be Pursued
“Don’t aim at success. The more you aim at it and make it a target, the more you are going to miss it. For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended side effect of one’s personal dedication to a cause greater.” — Viktor Frankl
You cannot pursue success or happiness. These things are outside your control. Instead, success and happiness come out of your daily actions, and out of your mindset.

If you dedicate yourself to a cause, whatever it may be, success and happiness will ensue as a direct result of you striving for that cause. Stop chasing happiness, it will come to you.

3. You Choose Your Own Attitude
“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms — to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.”
― Viktor E. Frankl

There are unfortunately many things outside of your control, and they can impact your life greatly. Outside circumstances often hit hard, making life very difficult.

Viktor Frankl met one of the most horrible fates that you can imagine. He was locked up in a concentration camp, surrounded by death, at risk of dying himself.

Yet he tried to make the best of his circumstances. He found meaning in his suffering, and this meaning got him through the worst of days. It carried him and willed him to go on when he was at the edge of death.

This is very similar to the Stoic mantra that it is not the events that matter, but your judgments over these events. Frankl found himself in horrible circumstances but chose his own way. This saved his life.

4. If You Can’t Change a Situation, Change Yourself
“When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.”
― Viktor E. Frankl

When you are faced with situations out of your control, you need to adapt to those circumstances. You need to find meaning in that situation. That is, to find what you can learn from it, and discover ways to carry you through.

5. Suffering Ceases to Be Suffering When it Finds Meaning
“In some ways suffering ceases to be suffering at the moment it finds a meaning, such as the meaning of a sacrifice.”
― Viktor E. Frankl

Frankl found meaning in his suffering. Once you find a meaning in what you are going through, then it is no longer suffering. Frankl’s purpose was to survive, reunite with his loved ones, and tell people what had happened and what he had learned. This is what willed him through.

6. Love is the Only Way to Grasp Another Human Being
“Love is the only way to grasp another human being in the innermost core of his personality.” — Viktor Frankl

The story also has a sad part. One meaning that was carrying him through was the thought of his wife, of being able to see her again. She was in a different camp, and every night Frankl would have imaginary conversations with her.

This kept him sane and made him carry on. Unfortunately, after the war, Frankl found out that his wife was not so lucky. She perished in the camp.

Love is a powerful force that can get you through the toughest of circumstances. Love also allows you to get to the innermost core of the personality of another person. The heart is a powerful motivator, the one thing that gets you going, when other things fail.

7. The World Might Be in a Bad State, But We All Must Play a Part to Make it Better
“For the world is in a bad state, but everything will become still worse unless each of us does his best.”
― Viktor E. Frankl

There are many things wrong with the world. We have experienced economic problems, terrorism, wars, and pandemics. Often bad people make it worse.

However, it is up to each of us to do a little part to make the world a better place. As individuals, we might not do much, but when you combine the individuals into a larger group, there is power. And that power can change the world, for the better.

Find your own meaning in the world, and find a purpose to get you through. Link this purpose to a larger whole, only in that way can we create a better world for everyone.

[youthathletics]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

[Kismet]

These folks had no utility and didn’t derive any personal benefit….but you do you….

Your attempts at Holocaust humor are truely sick...but you do you.

so sez the guy who brought up Mengele to ostensibly make some kind of inane point.

That was a valid analogy of two govt doctors using the power of their positions to experiment with children, without gruesome pictures.

Valid to YOU, perhaps.
What doctors were performing what experiments with children currently?

[MDlaxfan76]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

TLD failed in some way?

[youthathletics]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

TLD failed in some way?

Yes. often takes things to a much further extreme in an attempt to win with a sucker punch, rather than conversing seeking to fully understand.

[MDlaxfan76]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

TLD failed in some way?

Yes. often takes things to a much further extreme in an attempt to win with a sucker punch, rather than conversing seeking to fully understand.

well, if I helped with the understanding part for anyone, great.

[youthathletics]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

TLD failed in some way?

Yes. often takes things to a much further extreme in an attempt to win with a sucker punch, rather than conversing seeking to fully understand.

well, if I helped with the understanding part for anyone, great.

I've read that book 2x and referred back to it on occasion. I get where GG was going with his poor attempt at comparison. There is a quote in the Business insider article, they also recognize the [sic]skill or usefulness to which he was referring; still.....not cool.

Early Tuesday, the Auschwitz Memorial shared a lengthy statement on Twitter condemning Gutfeld.

"While it is true that some Jews may have used their skills or usefulness to increase their chances of survival during the Holocaust, it is essential to contextualize this statement properly and understand that it does not represent the complex history of the genocide perpetrated by Nazi Germany," the statement began.

[MDlaxfan76]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

TLD failed in some way?

Yes. often takes things to a much further extreme in an attempt to win with a sucker punch, rather than conversing seeking to fully understand.

well, if I helped with the understanding part for anyone, great.

I've read that book 2x and referred back to it on occasion. I get where GG was going with his poor attempt at comparison. There is a quote in the Business insider article, they also recognize the [sic]skill or usefulness to which he was referring; still.....not cool.

Early Tuesday, the Auschwitz Memorial shared a lengthy statement on Twitter condemning Gutfeld.

"While it is true that some Jews may have used their skills or usefulness to increase their chances of survival during the Holocaust, it is essential to contextualize this statement properly and understand that it does not represent the complex history of the genocide perpetrated by Nazi Germany," the statement began.

Just to be fully clear, Frankl never makes the claim of "utility".
And Gutfeld does NOT quote Frankl.
Indeed, he grossly misrepresents Frankl.

And the only reason that the Auschwitz Memorial speaks to that point is because Gutfeld had done so...

I'm inspired by you to read it again...been many years!

[Typical Lax Dad]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

Failed in what way? Please explain…

[Typical Lax Dad]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

TLD failed in some way?

Yes. often takes things to a much further extreme in an attempt to win with a sucker punch, rather than conversing seeking to fully understand.

Win with a sucker punch? I call a spade a spade. Why dance around it? What is it you believe I don’t understand? A few people here routinely pick up what I allude to… so does Old Soldier.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

TLD failed in some way?

Yes. often takes things to a much further extreme in an attempt to win with a sucker punch, rather than conversing seeking to fully understand.

well, if I helped with the understanding part for anyone, great.

You probably help with Youth’s understanding as I believed most adults here speak for themselves.

[youthathletics]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

TLD failed in some way?

Yes. often takes things to a much further extreme in an attempt to win with a sucker punch, rather than conversing seeking to fully understand.

Win with a sucker punch? I call a spade a spade. Why dance around it? What is it you believe I don’t understand? A few people here routinely pick up what I allude to… so does Old Soldier.

He just said BS to your post, where you were attempting a sucker punch by not fully understanding him. Own it.

[MDlaxfan76]

I love how MD always comes in to try and clean up TLD's failed battles.

TLD failed in some way?

Yes. often takes things to a much further extreme in an attempt to win with a sucker punch, rather than conversing seeking to fully understand.

Win with a sucker punch? I call a spade a spade. Why dance around it? What is it you believe I don’t understand? A few people here routinely pick up what I allude to… so does Old Soldier.

He just said BS to your post, where you were attempting a sucker punch by not fully understanding him. Own it.

Woah!
I never said TLD didn't "understand"...though it's pretty obvious that a bunch of other participants did not. That's who I was referring to, not TLD...who I'm confident has a pretty darn solid grasp of the issues.

Or are you saying that Salty called "BS" on TLD...and you agree with Salty? I do not. TLD's references were on point, though, sure, sharp. But not a "sucker punch" given Salty's defense of Gutfeld's statement.

Salty's been dead wrong on this one, defending Gutfeld, defending the Florida curriculum requirement. Also wrong on the other discussion about experimentation on children, but I haven't participated in that one.

Neither Gutfeld's statement nor the Florida curriculum are defensible....IF you look deeper than someone on Fox tells you about...

That's the "understanding" I'd hope to contribute to in some measure.

It's actually easy to see how the reaction could be much different and diffuse the whole thing.

DeSantis could have said, "yeah, that sounds awkwardly worded, gives an impression I'd hope that no one intended..thank you for pointing it out, I'll ask them to revise it" and the "scholars" could have easily done so.

Gutfeld is a nazi-wannabe a-hole "comic", so maybe this would be too off brand for him, but he could have said, afterwords, "I misspoke, I was trying to say that Frankl spoke about finding meaning, not utility, and I agree, on reflection, that it doesn't refute the point that was being made"...certainly commenters on here could have done so.

But nope, we see doubling and tripling down...and we ask why?