old salt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:42 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:11 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:00 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:40 pm
Serious question: Do you see ANYONE on the political scene as actually equivalent to Trump in "lack of character"?
Biden & Hillary. They're just less overt
Do you not wonder what the vociferous enthusiasm for the worst of his character to not be off-putting?
The cheers when he's the ugliest?
Yes, It concerns me that there is that much discontent with the establishment power elite.
Are these supporters just "lunatic fringe"?
Yes. I don't take them all that seriously.
BTW, I'm far more than "disgruntled"...I'm appalled and disgusted.
So am I, with Biden, Hillary & Trump. At least I agree with many of Trump's policies.
I see, so their character issues are just not so "overt", not so obvious...Trump's are "overt", obvious, unavoidably so...but really Biden is just as bad...he just hides it better
so, much better guys like me can't see it...
BTW, I saw character as a major issue with Hillary and she didn't get my vote as a result...BUT...it's not a remotely close call as to the magnitude, completeness, of Trump's character flaws, not just "overt"ness, relative to Hillary's...or to Bill's for that matter.
But ok, I see your worldview. TAATS...
IMO, you are more captured by MAGA, including some of its worst impulses and predilections, than you want to admit.
BS. I trusted politicians like Jack Danforth, the Bushes, Romney, Jeh Johnson, even Obama (despite our policy differences).
Biden is a crooked phony fraud
And your evidence?
I too trusted those politicians, not absolutely, but as to fundamental character, intentions to do best for country, etc, yup.
And a whole lot more such than those, whether R or D.
Biden has never seemed to me to be of the character of say HW or Romney or McCain, and perhaps not Obama (never saw any character flaws there, either), but at least a guy who has tried to do what he thought was best for the country, representing his state, evolving his own views along with the country (not way out ahead). Not always right, but not a flamer. Definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer, more of a steady eddie. And with an empathetic heart, a sense of what tragedy means to a family, what working class people do to make ends meet.
This is not a guy who got rich during his years as a Senator or VP, same for his wife. Joe and Jill recently made very good dough on book sales post VP, but small potatoes relative to some others and definitely not the grossly high speaking fees Hillary and Bill commanded in her run-up to POTUS run. Joe and Jill have been total open box on their finances, tax returns etc throughout.
I don't see his loyalty to a troubled son as a character flaw.
So, I just don't see the gross character flaws.
Not simply less "overt", they're just not remotely akin to Trump.
EDIT: I see you added I guess a what you thought was a slap, "I just don't see White Christian Nationalists behind every tree"...nor do I.
I just don't close my eyes when they step out from behind the tree. Thankfully, most trees don't have one hiding behind them...but yeah, some do.