The Biden - Harris Era.

[cradleandshoot]

Biden is causing his own problems by stubbornly keeping Hunter in the spotlight. In your face to his political opponents.
That is not working out well.

He should limit family interaction to weekends & holidays at the Wilmington compound & Camp David.
Keep Hunter out of the WH & off of AF1. He's a huge political liability.

He’s his son.

Whatever liability he has is a result of the coordinated right wing plot to make him one in order to damage his father for the 2024 election.

It is clearly not a matter of principal or well the previous children of the president would ha e had even more notoriety for their crimes

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

[NattyBohChamps04]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

[cradleandshoot]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

[MDlaxfan76]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

[cradleandshoot]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

[MDlaxfan76]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

[cradleandshoot]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

The accusation is scurrilous but nobody knows if the accusation is true or if it was just made up to smear Hunter even more. Hunter brought this on himself and his old man. The guy is no paragon of virtue and could very well be defined as being a bona fide scumbag. His old man loves him but doesn't seem to realize how much his dysfunctional and degenerate son is effecting his entire presidency in a negative way. That is Joe Bidens choice. You don't think that in the upcoming race that will not be brought up by who ever the Republicans choose to run? You think it will be good optics for Joe to refuse to acknowledge his granddaughter because Hunter was boinking a stripper?

[MDlaxfan76]

..AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

[MDlaxfan76]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

The accusation is scurrilous but nobody knows if the accusation is true or if it was just made up to smear Hunter even more. Hunter brought this on himself and his old man. The guy is no paragon of virtue and could very well be defined as being a bona fide scumbag. His old man loves him but doesn't seem to realize how much his dysfunctional and degenerate son is effecting his entire presidency in a negative way. That is Joe Bidens choice. You don't think that in the upcoming race that will not be brought up by who ever the Republicans choose to run. You think it will be good optics for Joe to refuse to acknowledge his granddaughter because Hunter was boinking a stripper.

You're right, "nobody knows if the accusation is true" except the principles... What we do know is that those making the accusations absolutely do not know that these accusations are true.

And we also know that the intention of the accusations is to damage the reputations of their targets. Thus, "scurrilous".

But no, I disagree that these accusations have any real effect, much less on his "entire presidency", outside of the fever dreams of MAGA/Fox world and those others who just hate Dems for drill, like you.

But sure, it's a political reality that this will be used. The ridiculous aspect is that it's so colossally hypocritical to think these should be given weight when the corruption by Trump and family was so much greater and direct.

But ok, it's a political problem.

But I'm at least in the neighborhood politically of those who could swing back GOP at some point, and for darn sure, this ain't gonna be remotely a reason to do so.

I've bolded the question above which you've failed to answer so far.

[cradleandshoot]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

The accusation is scurrilous but nobody knows if the accusation is true or if it was just made up to smear Hunter even more. Hunter brought this on himself and his old man. The guy is no paragon of virtue and could very well be defined as being a bona fide scumbag. His old man loves him but doesn't seem to realize how much his dysfunctional and degenerate son is effecting his entire presidency in a negative way. That is Joe Bidens choice. You don't think that in the upcoming race that will not be brought up by who ever the Republicans choose to run. You think it will be good optics for Joe to refuse to acknowledge his granddaughter because Hunter was boinking a stripper.

You're right, "nobody knows if the accusation is true" except the principles... What we do know is that those making the accusations absolutely do not know that these accusations are true.

And we also know that the intention of the accusations is to damage the reputations of their targets. Thus, "scurrilous".

But no, I disagree that these accusations have any real effect, much less on his "entire presidency", outside of the fever dreams of MAGA/Fox world and those others who just hate Dems for drill, like you.

But sure, it's a political reality that this will be used. The ridiculous aspect is that it's so colossally hypocritical to think these should be given weight when the corruption by Trump and family was so much greater and direct.

But ok, it's a political problem.

But I'm at least in the neighborhood politically of those who could swing back GOP at some point, and for darn sure, this ain't gonna be remotely a reason to do so.

I've bolded the question above which you've failed to answer so far.

Your team has been trying to make it an issue for quite awhile. If trumps kidlets are involved in hinky stuff why isn't Merrick Garland investigating potential allegations? You are yet again wrong when you say I hate the democratic party. I hate what the democrats have to the party my parents and entire family were so loyal to. It is ironic we both share the same sentiments towards the parties we use to support. I was a Democrat in 1976 and my first vote was for Jimmy Carter. A good man but an ineffective POTUS. My opinion of politics and politicians changed after serving our country and witnessing first hand how inept our government was. I have the right to my opinion of what the Democrat party has turned into just as you endlessly complain about the direction your party has taken. Unless your opinion is the only one that matters.

[Farfromgeneva]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Consistent but this makes less than zero sense. And parroting “big guy” terminology is a signal of something lacking independent thought.

[Farfromgeneva]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

Hes unwittingly demonstrating the power of stupid untrue accusations.

[MDlaxfan76]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

The accusation is scurrilous but nobody knows if the accusation is true or if it was just made up to smear Hunter even more. Hunter brought this on himself and his old man. The guy is no paragon of virtue and could very well be defined as being a bona fide scumbag. His old man loves him but doesn't seem to realize how much his dysfunctional and degenerate son is effecting his entire presidency in a negative way. That is Joe Bidens choice. You don't think that in the upcoming race that will not be brought up by who ever the Republicans choose to run. You think it will be good optics for Joe to refuse to acknowledge his granddaughter because Hunter was boinking a stripper.

You're right, "nobody knows if the accusation is true" except the principles... What we do know is that those making the accusations absolutely do not know that these accusations are true.

And we also know that the intention of the accusations is to damage the reputations of their targets. Thus, "scurrilous".

But no, I disagree that these accusations have any real effect, much less on his "entire presidency", outside of the fever dreams of MAGA/Fox world and those others who just hate Dems for drill, like you.

But sure, it's a political reality that this will be used. The ridiculous aspect is that it's so colossally hypocritical to think these should be given weight when the corruption by Trump and family was so much greater and direct.

But ok, it's a political problem.

But I'm at least in the neighborhood politically of those who could swing back GOP at some point, and for darn sure, this ain't gonna be remotely a reason to do so.

I've bolded the question above which you've failed to answer so far.

Your team has been trying to make it an issue for quite awhile. If trumps kidlets are involved in hinky stuff why isn't Merrick Garland investigating potential allegations? You are yet again wrong when you say I hate the democratic party. I hate what the democrats have to the party my parents and entire family were so loyal to. It is ironic we both share the same sentiments towards the parties we use to support. I was a Democrat in 1976 and my first vote was for Jimmy Carter. A good man but an ineffective POTUS. My opinion of politics and politicians changed after serving our country and witnessing first hand how inept our government was. I have the right to my opinion of what the Democrat party has turned into just as you endlessly complain about the direction your party has taken. Unless your opinion is the only one that matters.

ok, you hate the Democrats since Carter...got it.

It seems pretty obvious to me why there are no prosecutions regarding the Trump kids. What they did was massively corrupt but unprovable without evidence that would be incredibly difficult to obtain.

I have no idea whether there have been ANY investigatory efforts in the Garland DOJ, but unless there was someone bringing forward clear evidence of an indictable crime, there wouldn't be probable cause to open such an investigation, nor would there be such to obtain the warrants necessary to get all of the communications, devices, financial records that could show the crime...if they were stupid enough to document it.

So, unlike Trump's and MAGA calls to "lock them up" etc, you don't hear that from Biden or any prominent Democrats about the Trump children.

Like it or not, those in charge of the Dem party still believe in the rule of law and don't want to see "weaponization" of the DOJ. Investigation of Prosecution of provable crimes is a wholly different matter. When the crimes and evidence are staring you in the face, it's a bigger issue not to prosecute.

Look at how reluctant the DOJ was in following up the obvious crimes by Trump...took forever to finally appoint a Special Counsel to remove it from regular DOJ. Only did it when the evidence kept mounting and couldn't be avoided any longer...

[cradleandshoot]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

The accusation is scurrilous but nobody knows if the accusation is true or if it was just made up to smear Hunter even more. Hunter brought this on himself and his old man. The guy is no paragon of virtue and could very well be defined as being a bona fide scumbag. His old man loves him but doesn't seem to realize how much his dysfunctional and degenerate son is effecting his entire presidency in a negative way. That is Joe Bidens choice. You don't think that in the upcoming race that will not be brought up by who ever the Republicans choose to run. You think it will be good optics for Joe to refuse to acknowledge his granddaughter because Hunter was boinking a stripper.

You're right, "nobody knows if the accusation is true" except the principles... What we do know is that those making the accusations absolutely do not know that these accusations are true.

And we also know that the intention of the accusations is to damage the reputations of their targets. Thus, "scurrilous".

But no, I disagree that these accusations have any real effect, much less on his "entire presidency", outside of the fever dreams of MAGA/Fox world and those others who just hate Dems for drill, like you.

But sure, it's a political reality that this will be used. The ridiculous aspect is that it's so colossally hypocritical to think these should be given weight when the corruption by Trump and family was so much greater and direct.

But ok, it's a political problem.

But I'm at least in the neighborhood politically of those who could swing back GOP at some point, and for darn sure, this ain't gonna be remotely a reason to do so.

I've bolded the question above which you've failed to answer so far.

Your team has been trying to make it an issue for quite awhile. If trumps kidlets are involved in hinky stuff why isn't Merrick Garland investigating potential allegations? You are yet again wrong when you say I hate the democratic party. I hate what the democrats have to the party my parents and entire family were so loyal to. It is ironic we both share the same sentiments towards the parties we use to support. I was a Democrat in 1976 and my first vote was for Jimmy Carter. A good man but an ineffective POTUS. My opinion of politics and politicians changed after serving our country and witnessing first hand how inept our government was. I have the right to my opinion of what the Democrat party has turned into just as you endlessly complain about the direction your party has taken. Unless your opinion is the only one that matters.

ok, you hate the Democrats since Carter...got it.

It seems pretty obvious to me why there are no prosecutions regarding the Trump kids. What they did was massively corrupt but unprovable without evidence that would be incredibly difficult to obtain.

I have no idea whether there have been ANY investigatory efforts in the Garland DOJ, but unless there was someone bringing forward clear evidence of an indictable crime, there wouldn't be probable cause to open such an investigation, nor would there be such to obtain the warrants necessary to get all of the communications, devices, financial records that could show the crime...if they were stupid enough to document it.

So, unlike Trump's and MAGA calls to "lock them up" etc, you don't hear that from Biden or any prominent Democrats about the Trump children.

Like it or not, those in charge of the Dem party still believe in the rule of law and don't want to see "weaponization" of the DOJ. Investigation of Prosecution of provable crimes is a wholly different matter. When the crimes and evidence are staring you in the face, it's a bigger issue not to prosecute.

Look at how reluctant the DOJ was in following up the obvious crimes by Trump...took forever to finally appoint a Special Counsel to remove it from regular DOJ. Only did it when the evidence kept mounting and couldn't be avoided any longer...

Again you need to ask Merrick Garland this question. What you are saying is there is untold evidence against the trumplets but damn it nothing we can prove. There is nothing stopping Merrick Garland from snooping around to see what he can dig up. There has never been a shortage of former trump allies that are willing to throw the Don under the bus. Maybe Garland has a reason for turning a blind eye to what the trumplets were involved in. Your bloviating that the Democrats are the only party interested in obeying the rule of law is laughable at face value. The AGs in New York and Georgia have gone to extraordinary lengths to sink their talons into trump. Would it surprise you if they overstepped their bounds in the course of their investigations? It wouldn't surprise me in the least. The AGs in both states could justify it as the ends justify the means. I'm guessing that trumps lawyers will be making that very same argument that the AGs overstepped their authority in an attempt to get the cases dismissed. These AGs in both states had better have all of their ducks in a row and then some.
FTR I hate what the Democrats have done to the party SINCE Carter. If your your going to try and interpret what I mean you should at least make a half ass attempt to try and get it right.

[Farfromgeneva]

What extraordinary length has the GA AG gone to? In detail. Do you even know her name?

[MDlaxfan76]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

The accusation is scurrilous but nobody knows if the accusation is true or if it was just made up to smear Hunter even more. Hunter brought this on himself and his old man. The guy is no paragon of virtue and could very well be defined as being a bona fide scumbag. His old man loves him but doesn't seem to realize how much his dysfunctional and degenerate son is effecting his entire presidency in a negative way. That is Joe Bidens choice. You don't think that in the upcoming race that will not be brought up by who ever the Republicans choose to run. You think it will be good optics for Joe to refuse to acknowledge his granddaughter because Hunter was boinking a stripper.

You're right, "nobody knows if the accusation is true" except the principles... What we do know is that those making the accusations absolutely do not know that these accusations are true.

And we also know that the intention of the accusations is to damage the reputations of their targets. Thus, "scurrilous".

But no, I disagree that these accusations have any real effect, much less on his "entire presidency", outside of the fever dreams of MAGA/Fox world and those others who just hate Dems for drill, like you.

But sure, it's a political reality that this will be used. The ridiculous aspect is that it's so colossally hypocritical to think these should be given weight when the corruption by Trump and family was so much greater and direct.

But ok, it's a political problem.

But I'm at least in the neighborhood politically of those who could swing back GOP at some point, and for darn sure, this ain't gonna be remotely a reason to do so.

I've bolded the question above which you've failed to answer so far.

Your team has been trying to make it an issue for quite awhile. If trumps kidlets are involved in hinky stuff why isn't Merrick Garland investigating potential allegations? You are yet again wrong when you say I hate the democratic party. I hate what the democrats have to the party my parents and entire family were so loyal to. It is ironic we both share the same sentiments towards the parties we use to support. I was a Democrat in 1976 and my first vote was for Jimmy Carter. A good man but an ineffective POTUS. My opinion of politics and politicians changed after serving our country and witnessing first hand how inept our government was. I have the right to my opinion of what the Democrat party has turned into just as you endlessly complain about the direction your party has taken. Unless your opinion is the only one that matters.

ok, you hate the Democrats since Carter...got it.

It seems pretty obvious to me why there are no prosecutions regarding the Trump kids. What they did was massively corrupt but unprovable without evidence that would be incredibly difficult to obtain.

I have no idea whether there have been ANY investigatory efforts in the Garland DOJ, but unless there was someone bringing forward clear evidence of an indictable crime, there wouldn't be probable cause to open such an investigation, nor would there be such to obtain the warrants necessary to get all of the communications, devices, financial records that could show the crime...if they were stupid enough to document it.

So, unlike Trump's and MAGA calls to "lock them up" etc, you don't hear that from Biden or any prominent Democrats about the Trump children.

Like it or not, those in charge of the Dem party still believe in the rule of law and don't want to see "weaponization" of the DOJ. Investigation of Prosecution of provable crimes is a wholly different matter. When the crimes and evidence are staring you in the face, it's a bigger issue not to prosecute.

Look at how reluctant the DOJ was in following up the obvious crimes by Trump...took forever to finally appoint a Special Counsel to remove it from regular DOJ. Only did it when the evidence kept mounting and couldn't be avoided any longer...

Again you need to ask Merrick Garland this question. What you are saying is there is untold evidence against the trumplets but damn it nothing we can prove. There is nothing stopping Merrick Garland from snooping around to see what he can dig up. There has never been a shortage of former trump allies that are willing to throw the Don under the bus. Maybe Garland has a reason for turning a blind eye to what the trumplets were involved in. Your bloviating that the Democrats are the only party interested in obeying the rule of law is laughable at face value. The AGs in New York and Georgia have gone to extraordinary lengths to sink their talons into trump. Would it surprise you if they overstepped their bounds in the course of their investigations? It wouldn't surprise me in the least. The AGs in both states could justify it as the ends justify the means. I'm guessing that trumps lawyers will be making that very same argument that the AGs overstepped their authority in an attempt to get the cases dismissed. These AGs in both states had better have all of their ducks in a row and then some.
FTR I hate what the Democrats have done to the party SINCE Carter. If your your going to try and interpret what I mean you should at least make a half ass attempt to try and get it right.

I understood you just fine, you said you voted for Carter...just no one since then is worth a damn apparently. Hate'em all. Ok, got it.

But no, I don't think everyone in the Dem party respects the rule of law, anymore than I think everyone in the GOP doesn't. It's simply that the power base in the Dem party. which remains the moderate-progressive side of the party ala Biden-Obama, actually still does. However, the MAGA cult has overtaken the GOP and most definitely does not.

I definitely think Garland does, and I see his standards for investigation and prosecution to be very high and quite non-partisan.

As to the prosecutors in NY and GA, my hunch is that they welcome the opportunity to take down the corruption that Trump and co represent, but much more importantly, the crimes were obvious, provable, and in their jurisdiction...it would have been a dereliction of duty to avoid those prosecutions because of political cowardice or intimidation.

Yes, it would surprise me if they "over-stepped their bounds"...

But sure, Trump's lawyers will make all sorts of specious arguments, just as so many of his lawyers have done over the past few years, multiple of whom have since been disbarred or otherwise sharply reprimanded. The case's involving Trump have gone 90+% against him, over and over and over again...and it ain't because the lawyers fail to thrown spaghetti at the wall...

So, no, I think Garland and his investigators and prosecutors would need more direct evidence of a corrupt quid pro quo with the Trump kids with the Saudis, China, or other actors than is likely to be found. I don't think they're as arrogantly stupid as is Donald Sr.. And yeah, I think Garland wouldn't open an investigation without serious, credible, direct evidence that would enable a search warrant.

But you, of course, think they're innocent as lambs while Hunter and Joe must be criminals...

[cradleandshoot]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

The accusation is scurrilous but nobody knows if the accusation is true or if it was just made up to smear Hunter even more. Hunter brought this on himself and his old man. The guy is no paragon of virtue and could very well be defined as being a bona fide scumbag. His old man loves him but doesn't seem to realize how much his dysfunctional and degenerate son is effecting his entire presidency in a negative way. That is Joe Bidens choice. You don't think that in the upcoming race that will not be brought up by who ever the Republicans choose to run. You think it will be good optics for Joe to refuse to acknowledge his granddaughter because Hunter was boinking a stripper.

You're right, "nobody knows if the accusation is true" except the principles... What we do know is that those making the accusations absolutely do not know that these accusations are true.

And we also know that the intention of the accusations is to damage the reputations of their targets. Thus, "scurrilous".

But no, I disagree that these accusations have any real effect, much less on his "entire presidency", outside of the fever dreams of MAGA/Fox world and those others who just hate Dems for drill, like you.

But sure, it's a political reality that this will be used. The ridiculous aspect is that it's so colossally hypocritical to think these should be given weight when the corruption by Trump and family was so much greater and direct.

But ok, it's a political problem.

But I'm at least in the neighborhood politically of those who could swing back GOP at some point, and for darn sure, this ain't gonna be remotely a reason to do so.

I've bolded the question above which you've failed to answer so far.

Your team has been trying to make it an issue for quite awhile. If trumps kidlets are involved in hinky stuff why isn't Merrick Garland investigating potential allegations? You are yet again wrong when you say I hate the democratic party. I hate what the democrats have to the party my parents and entire family were so loyal to. It is ironic we both share the same sentiments towards the parties we use to support. I was a Democrat in 1976 and my first vote was for Jimmy Carter. A good man but an ineffective POTUS. My opinion of politics and politicians changed after serving our country and witnessing first hand how inept our government was. I have the right to my opinion of what the Democrat party has turned into just as you endlessly complain about the direction your party has taken. Unless your opinion is the only one that matters.

ok, you hate the Democrats since Carter...got it.

It seems pretty obvious to me why there are no prosecutions regarding the Trump kids. What they did was massively corrupt but unprovable without evidence that would be incredibly difficult to obtain.

I have no idea whether there have been ANY investigatory efforts in the Garland DOJ, but unless there was someone bringing forward clear evidence of an indictable crime, there wouldn't be probable cause to open such an investigation, nor would there be such to obtain the warrants necessary to get all of the communications, devices, financial records that could show the crime...if they were stupid enough to document it.

So, unlike Trump's and MAGA calls to "lock them up" etc, you don't hear that from Biden or any prominent Democrats about the Trump children.

Like it or not, those in charge of the Dem party still believe in the rule of law and don't want to see "weaponization" of the DOJ. Investigation of Prosecution of provable crimes is a wholly different matter. When the crimes and evidence are staring you in the face, it's a bigger issue not to prosecute.

Look at how reluctant the DOJ was in following up the obvious crimes by Trump...took forever to finally appoint a Special Counsel to remove it from regular DOJ. Only did it when the evidence kept mounting and couldn't be avoided any longer...

Again you need to ask Merrick Garland this question. What you are saying is there is untold evidence against the trumplets but damn it nothing we can prove. There is nothing stopping Merrick Garland from snooping around to see what he can dig up. There has never been a shortage of former trump allies that are willing to throw the Don under the bus. Maybe Garland has a reason for turning a blind eye to what the trumplets were involved in. Your bloviating that the Democrats are the only party interested in obeying the rule of law is laughable at face value. The AGs in New York and Georgia have gone to extraordinary lengths to sink their talons into trump. Would it surprise you if they overstepped their bounds in the course of their investigations? It wouldn't surprise me in the least. The AGs in both states could justify it as the ends justify the means. I'm guessing that trumps lawyers will be making that very same argument that the AGs overstepped their authority in an attempt to get the cases dismissed. These AGs in both states had better have all of their ducks in a row and then some.
FTR I hate what the Democrats have done to the party SINCE Carter. If your your going to try and interpret what I mean you should at least make a half ass attempt to try and get it right.

I understood you just fine, you said you voted for Carter...just no one since then is worth a damn apparently. Hate'em all. Ok, got it.

But no, I don't think everyone in the Dem party respects the rule of law, anymore than I think everyone in the GOP doesn't. It's simply that the power base in the Dem party. which remains the moderate-progressive side of the party ala Biden-Obama, actually still does. However, the MAGA cult has overtaken the GOP and most definitely does not.

I definitely think Garland does, and I see his standards for investigation and prosecution to be very high and quite non-partisan.

As to the prosecutors in NY and GA, my hunch is that they welcome the opportunity to take down the corruption that Trump and co represent, but much more importantly, the crimes were obvious, provable, and in their jurisdiction...it would have been a dereliction of duty to avoid those prosecutions because of political cowardice or intimidation.

Yes, it would surprise me if they "over-stepped their bounds"...

But sure, Trump's lawyers will make all sorts of specious arguments, just as so many of his lawyers have done over the past few years, multiple of whom have since been disbarred or otherwise sharply reprimanded. The case's involving Trump have gone 90+% against him, over and over and over again...and it ain't because the lawyers fail to thrown spaghetti at the wall...

So, no, I think Garland and his investigators and prosecutors would need more direct evidence of a corrupt quid pro quo with the Trump kids with the Saudis, China, or other actors than is likely to be found. I don't think they're as arrogantly stupid as is Donald Sr.. And yeah, I think Garland wouldn't open an investigation without serious, credible, direct evidence that would enable a search warrant.

But you, of course, think they're innocent as lambs while Hunter and Joe must be criminals...

Well I don't know about Hunter and Joe being criminals. I am concerned about Hunters Email trying to extort money from his ChiCom buddy telling his boy his dad was sitting right next to him. The e mail is not fake. The only unknown is whether the BIG GUY was actually sitting next to his son or was his son extorting money in his name. You will have to admit MD no matter how much it hurts you that Hunter actually IS a criminal. The lying on his permit application makes him a criminal in my mind. Are you willing to admit Hunter is a degenerate scumbag in your book or does he get a pass? FTR who is the real Uncle Joe?? The loving curmudgeon who loves kids and is nothing but humble and loveable and gracious to all children... or is he the foul-mouthed ill tempered angry guy who drops F bombs his own staff daily? A effing coward who disowns his own little granddaughter and is as two faced as his predecessor trump?? Tell me again MD what a great guy Biden?

Biden and trump are more similar than they are different. They are both a couple of arrogant, mean spirited jerks who are only concerned about themselves and their families.

[Farfromgeneva]

Some folks cant distinguish between codified law and law of man strangely.

All people convicted of anything are always degenerates and anyone not convicted is a good person…

[MDlaxfan76]

And the far left did everything they could to make trumps kids a liability in a coordinated manner. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hunter set his own dumb ass up for all of this criticism. You think the Republicans are going to pass up on this golden opportunity? Republicans by and large are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Because Trump's kids were working in his administration on our dime. Hunter is not. Huge difference.

If anything Hunter is an even bigger problem when trying to figure out the truth if he and the big guy whoever that is were wheeling and dealing with the ChiComs. The fact is Hunter is a ginormous embarrassment to Joe Biden administration it makes it irrelevant if he is a part of the administration. If Joe actually still chooses to run his son will be a centerpiece in any presidential debate and not in a good way.

Nonsense is being peddled to you and millions of others, and yet it's eagerly lapped up by the willing...so, indeed a big issue for Biden, as you say. Totally unfairly, but a reality nevertheless.

But playing the "the far left did everything they could"...and "what's good for the goose" BS, is a discussion being had here...and the reality is that these are incredibly different situations: 1) because they were actually part of government, with security clearances over the objections of all of the intelligence services, and 2) the scale of corruption dwarfs any of the allegations about Hunter's grift by orders of magnitude.

It wasn't simply the "far left" that felt this was a massive issue, it should have been all of us.

Acknowledge that reality too...

The only person here shoveling BS is yourself. Here is my bottom line, politics is not a game where both sides play by a set of rules that are fair. Both sides are out to win by hook or by crook. One side can make any type of scurrilous accusation against the other. The first thing that does is put the opponent on the defensive and then they have to drag out the army of fact checkers. Quibbling about the other side not playing fair will lose you the election all day long. If your claiming corruption on a massive scale against the trump kids and company then prove it and Garland should prosecute them. Short of that happening your doing nothing but b****ing and whining about something your friend Merrick Garland doesn't want to touch. Hunter Biden is all about what is happening in the Biden administration today. You can live in the past and bellyache about it to your hearts content.

Huh?

Tell us "what is happening in the Biden administration today"...just "scurrilous accusation" right? And NOT even IN the Biden Administration, right? Just something that happened many years ago, years and years of actual DOJ investigations, and nada as to actual crimes remotely akin to the "accusation", right?

I'm acknowledging that it's a political reality that a "scurrilous accusation" has been made...why won't you acknowledge that it is indeed "scurrilous" AND that it pales in comparison to those pertaining to the other candidate's children? Tell me, why isn't that a YUGE issue for the Trump Campaign?

I know, but do you?

The accusation is scurrilous but nobody knows if the accusation is true or if it was just made up to smear Hunter even more. Hunter brought this on himself and his old man. The guy is no paragon of virtue and could very well be defined as being a bona fide scumbag. His old man loves him but doesn't seem to realize how much his dysfunctional and degenerate son is effecting his entire presidency in a negative way. That is Joe Bidens choice. You don't think that in the upcoming race that will not be brought up by who ever the Republicans choose to run. You think it will be good optics for Joe to refuse to acknowledge his granddaughter because Hunter was boinking a stripper.

You're right, "nobody knows if the accusation is true" except the principles... What we do know is that those making the accusations absolutely do not know that these accusations are true.

And we also know that the intention of the accusations is to damage the reputations of their targets. Thus, "scurrilous".

But no, I disagree that these accusations have any real effect, much less on his "entire presidency", outside of the fever dreams of MAGA/Fox world and those others who just hate Dems for drill, like you.

But sure, it's a political reality that this will be used. The ridiculous aspect is that it's so colossally hypocritical to think these should be given weight when the corruption by Trump and family was so much greater and direct.

But ok, it's a political problem.

But I'm at least in the neighborhood politically of those who could swing back GOP at some point, and for darn sure, this ain't gonna be remotely a reason to do so.

I've bolded the question above which you've failed to answer so far.

Your team has been trying to make it an issue for quite awhile. If trumps kidlets are involved in hinky stuff why isn't Merrick Garland investigating potential allegations? You are yet again wrong when you say I hate the democratic party. I hate what the democrats have to the party my parents and entire family were so loyal to. It is ironic we both share the same sentiments towards the parties we use to support. I was a Democrat in 1976 and my first vote was for Jimmy Carter. A good man but an ineffective POTUS. My opinion of politics and politicians changed after serving our country and witnessing first hand how inept our government was. I have the right to my opinion of what the Democrat party has turned into just as you endlessly complain about the direction your party has taken. Unless your opinion is the only one that matters.

ok, you hate the Democrats since Carter...got it.

It seems pretty obvious to me why there are no prosecutions regarding the Trump kids. What they did was massively corrupt but unprovable without evidence that would be incredibly difficult to obtain.

I have no idea whether there have been ANY investigatory efforts in the Garland DOJ, but unless there was someone bringing forward clear evidence of an indictable crime, there wouldn't be probable cause to open such an investigation, nor would there be such to obtain the warrants necessary to get all of the communications, devices, financial records that could show the crime...if they were stupid enough to document it.

So, unlike Trump's and MAGA calls to "lock them up" etc, you don't hear that from Biden or any prominent Democrats about the Trump children.

Like it or not, those in charge of the Dem party still believe in the rule of law and don't want to see "weaponization" of the DOJ. Investigation of Prosecution of provable crimes is a wholly different matter. When the crimes and evidence are staring you in the face, it's a bigger issue not to prosecute.

Look at how reluctant the DOJ was in following up the obvious crimes by Trump...took forever to finally appoint a Special Counsel to remove it from regular DOJ. Only did it when the evidence kept mounting and couldn't be avoided any longer...

Again you need to ask Merrick Garland this question. What you are saying is there is untold evidence against the trumplets but damn it nothing we can prove. There is nothing stopping Merrick Garland from snooping around to see what he can dig up. There has never been a shortage of former trump allies that are willing to throw the Don under the bus. Maybe Garland has a reason for turning a blind eye to what the trumplets were involved in. Your bloviating that the Democrats are the only party interested in obeying the rule of law is laughable at face value. The AGs in New York and Georgia have gone to extraordinary lengths to sink their talons into trump. Would it surprise you if they overstepped their bounds in the course of their investigations? It wouldn't surprise me in the least. The AGs in both states could justify it as the ends justify the means. I'm guessing that trumps lawyers will be making that very same argument that the AGs overstepped their authority in an attempt to get the cases dismissed. These AGs in both states had better have all of their ducks in a row and then some.
FTR I hate what the Democrats have done to the party SINCE Carter. If your your going to try and interpret what I mean you should at least make a half ass attempt to try and get it right.

I understood you just fine, you said you voted for Carter...just no one since then is worth a damn apparently. Hate'em all. Ok, got it.

But no, I don't think everyone in the Dem party respects the rule of law, anymore than I think everyone in the GOP doesn't. It's simply that the power base in the Dem party. which remains the moderate-progressive side of the party ala Biden-Obama, actually still does. However, the MAGA cult has overtaken the GOP and most definitely does not.

I definitely think Garland does, and I see his standards for investigation and prosecution to be very high and quite non-partisan.

As to the prosecutors in NY and GA, my hunch is that they welcome the opportunity to take down the corruption that Trump and co represent, but much more importantly, the crimes were obvious, provable, and in their jurisdiction...it would have been a dereliction of duty to avoid those prosecutions because of political cowardice or intimidation.

Yes, it would surprise me if they "over-stepped their bounds"...

But sure, Trump's lawyers will make all sorts of specious arguments, just as so many of his lawyers have done over the past few years, multiple of whom have since been disbarred or otherwise sharply reprimanded. The case's involving Trump have gone 90+% against him, over and over and over again...and it ain't because the lawyers fail to thrown spaghetti at the wall...

So, no, I think Garland and his investigators and prosecutors would need more direct evidence of a corrupt quid pro quo with the Trump kids with the Saudis, China, or other actors than is likely to be found. I don't think they're as arrogantly stupid as is Donald Sr.. And yeah, I think Garland wouldn't open an investigation without serious, credible, direct evidence that would enable a search warrant.

But you, of course, think they're innocent as lambs while Hunter and Joe must be criminals...

Well I don't know about Hunter and Joe being criminals. I am concerned about Hunters Email trying to extort money from his ChiCom buddy telling his boy his dad was sitting right next to him. The e mail is not fake. The only unknown is whether the BIG GUY was actually sitting next to his son or was his son extorting money in his name. You will have to admit MD no matter how much it hurts you that Hunter actually IS a criminal. The lying on his permit application makes him a criminal in my mind. Are you willing to admit Hunter is a degenerate scumbag in your book or does he get a pass? FTR who is the real Uncle Joe?? The loving curmudgeon who loves kids and is nothing but humble and loveable and gracious to all children... or is he the foul-mouthed ill tempered angry guy who drops F bombs his own staff daily? A effing coward who disowns his own little granddaughter and is as two faced as his predecessor trump?? Tell me again MD what a great guy Biden?

Biden and trump are more similar than they are different. They are both a couple of arrogant, mean spirited jerks who are only concerned about themselves and their families.

of course I think Hunter committed criminal acts. He confessed to them and is paying the price. He was also a very bad addict and did a lot of things that were pretty darn reprehensible during his most addicted period. I dunno if that makes him a "degenerate" now though. He's still and always will be an addict though, so falling back into addiction is a very real risk.

But no, I don't accept that dad had anything to do with Hunter's misdeeds, that dad did anything illegal or even wrong...unless he never told Hunter he really was unhappy with him peddling himself based on his last name and presumed access...however, I suspect dad was trying to get Hunter to not do a lot of things during that period and it was very frustrating. Of course, his other son's cancer was also a distraction.

I suspect Joe is gruff and short tempered and even foul mouthed at times...sounds like my dad was...as well as gracious and kind and downright loquacious as well...like my dad. Not perfect. But "arrogant, mean-spirited jerks"? nope.

It's the effort to create an equivalency with Trump that is so perplexing.
You don't have to like Biden to recognize that they are world's different.

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There is not yet any rational basis to compare Hunter Biden's activities with those of Jared Kushner & Ivanka Trump.
Until proven otherwise, Kushner's activities were in the best interest of the US & our allies in the ME.

How is Affinity Partners doing for it's investors ?
Did the Dem lead House Oversight Comm investigation come up with anything ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_Partners
Capitalization and investors
Kushner sought funds for the new company through the sovereign wealth funds of Gulf countries. The Saudi government's Public Investment Fund invested $2 billion in Kushner's firm, six months after Kushner left the White House.

The firm primarily depended on Saudi money. In April 2022 it had $2.5 billion under its management.

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Kushner said: "If we can get Israelis and Muslims in the region to do business together, it will focus people on shared interests and shared values." He added, "we kicked off historic regional change which needs to be reinforced and nurtured to achieve its potential."

Investment portfolio
The fund has invested in two undisclosed Israeli hi-tech companies. The Wall Street Journal reported that "it is the first known instance that the Saudi Public Investment Fund’s cash will be directed to Israel, a sign of the kingdom’s increasing willingness to do business with the country."

In March 2022 Affinity executives heard pitches from 13 to 15 Israeli startups.

Controversy
According to ethics experts, the investment created the appearance of potential payback for Kushner, given that he had been a staunch defender of Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman while at the White House. The House Oversight Committee said on June 2, 2022, that it had opened an investigation into whether Kushner had traded on his government position to get the deal.