The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

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get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:47 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:44 am
get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:11 am https://www.thefp.com/p/trans-activists ... ific-paper

Interesting how censorship is used to put down any contrary ideas. The paper in question was about Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, which presented mainly (75%) in adolescent girls who had not previously shown any gender identity issues. The inference is that many of these were not clinical cases of gender dysphoria but that gender identity was a diagnosis used to explain a general unhappiness and that girls were steered in that direction. In addition, many parents felt pressured to permit surgical and/or hormonal treatment. Trans activists had the publisher retract the paper.

The paper went to great lengths to show the limitations of it's own study, but it appears any deviation from the progressive stance of medical intervention will be shut down and it's authors publicly shamed.
Medical professionals have this issue same as any Romanian knowledge expert:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6060929/

Less technical definition

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis

I’m curious though when and why you decided to read the study you cite. Or if you did read it or just regurgitating a story about the report that was generated by others.
Are you inferring that I have some hidden motive in citing the story? it was linked in a story about the censorship of the study. Who cares where and why I read it unless it is your wish to discredit me, the author or both. I posted this to posit that many of these late developing cases are the result of societal influences and progressive medical professionals who sometimes have a financial motive in addition to their clinical viewpoint. There is potential long term harm in steering adolescents into irreversible medical procedures. Knowingly doing this violates the principle of “first, do no harm “.
I asked a question. Why would you ask if I’m inferring unless you had some issue with your original post? The question has merit and value beyond the way you frame it as “only to discredit you”. Understanding has value to most if not you.

So to be clear you pulled this from a story focused on the perceived problem you’re alluding to, you didn’t search out the study.

Not that it matters unless you’re trying to discredit me and project but I was curious why someone would search out those studies - have kids, have a political agenda, general intellectual curiosity. It’s clear from your overly sensitive and projectile response that you were looking for confirmation of your own issues and then present them as of a study you looked for purely out of intellectual interest so actually I see what your doing here. The introduction w censorship was not really your words then of your own unique thoughts process and separate articulation.
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"Our study has severe issues, but it's ok to publish it because we recognize the severe issues and limitations" :lol:

It also helps when the editor is a good buddy of the author.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:09 am "Our study has severe issues, but it's ok to publish it because we recognize the severe issues and limitations" :lol:

It also helps when the editor is a good buddy of the author.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:09 am "Our study has severe issues, but it's ok to publish it because we recognize the severe issues and limitations" :lol:

It also helps when the editor is a good buddy of the author.
As opposed to your stance, which is "We're right, everybody says so, so shut up and listen to your betters".
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get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:29 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:09 am "Our study has severe issues, but it's ok to publish it because we recognize the severe issues and limitations" :lol:

It also helps when the editor is a good buddy of the author.
As opposed to your stance, which is "We're right, everybody says so, so shut up and listen to your betters".
Did you read your own citation? FFS, no reputable journal would run a piece where the PhD author "collaborated" with what HE calls an "activist"....an activist without a PhD or even ten seconds of scientific training. These are freaking anecdotes from an amateur....and should rightfully be treated as such.

This explains why my coauthor, “Suzanna Diaz,” doesn’t go by her real name. I don’t even know it, despite having met her in person once and spoken with her many times. She uses a pseudonym to protect her family, especially her daughter, whom Suzanna believes has ROGD. Suzanna isn’t an academic. She is a mother who has become an activist to raise awareness about this phenomenon, including by creating an online survey for parents who believed their children had ROGD. The survey was hosted by the website ParentsOfROGDKids.com. I was impressed with her findings and we decided to collaborate.

Although it is unusual for an academic to collaborate with someone who is anonymous, I decided to do so for two reasons. First, I understood why Suzanna felt she needed to keep her identity private. Second, at all stages of our collaboration, I was able to confirm that the work she had done was well-informed, careful, and reliable.



Come on.....if you're in charge of a scientific journal? In what world would you publish this?
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a fan wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:52 pm
get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:29 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:09 am "Our study has severe issues, but it's ok to publish it because we recognize the severe issues and limitations" :lol:

It also helps when the editor is a good buddy of the author.
As opposed to your stance, which is "We're right, everybody says so, so shut up and listen to your betters".
Did you read your own citation? FFS, no reputable journal would run a piece where the PhD author "collaborated" with what HE calls an "activist"....an activist without a PhD or even ten seconds of scientific training. These are freaking anecdotes from an amateur....and should rightfully be treated as such.

This explains why my coauthor, “Suzanna Diaz,” doesn’t go by her real name. I don’t even know it, despite having met her in person once and spoken with her many times. She uses a pseudonym to protect her family, especially her daughter, whom Suzanna believes has ROGD. Suzanna isn’t an academic. She is a mother who has become an activist to raise awareness about this phenomenon, including by creating an online survey for parents who believed their children had ROGD. The survey was hosted by the website ParentsOfROGDKids.com. I was impressed with her findings and we decided to collaborate.

Although it is unusual for an academic to collaborate with someone who is anonymous, I decided to do so for two reasons. First, I understood why Suzanna felt she needed to keep her identity private. Second, at all stages of our collaboration, I was able to confirm that the work she had done was well-informed, careful, and reliable.



Come on.....if you're in charge of a scientific journal? In what world would you publish this?
Ah, the "Argument from Authority". Nobody without a PhD should ever run an experiment, including hypotheses, observations, results and conclusions. Why, it should be illegal!!! At least he was honest about it, as opposed to some PhD who receives a grant knowing the conclusion the grantor is looking for and games the results to please his benefactor. Or allows his biases to color the results but refuses to admit it.

Do you really believe there is a tenfold increase in gender identity disorders among a lot of teenage girls who never expressed gender issues before? Are we experiencing a medical/psychological epidemic or is this more a social contagion brought about by trans ideology being pushed in schools and on social media?

Edit - Many of these "trans" kids, when left to go through puberty, resolve back to their biological sex. Many of them are simply gay or lesbian at the end of the day. So why not let them live their gay lives? What do you have against gay people?
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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Parents_of_ROGD_Kids

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a fan wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:52 pm
get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:29 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:09 am "Our study has severe issues, but it's ok to publish it because we recognize the severe issues and limitations" :lol:

It also helps when the editor is a good buddy of the author.
As opposed to your stance, which is "We're right, everybody says so, so shut up and listen to your betters".
Did you read your own citation? FFS, no reputable journal would run a piece where the PhD author "collaborated" with what HE calls an "activist"....an activist without a PhD or even ten seconds of scientific training. These are freaking anecdotes from an amateur....and should rightfully be treated as such.

This explains why my coauthor, “Suzanna Diaz,” doesn’t go by her real name. I don’t even know it, despite having met her in person once and spoken with her many times. She uses a pseudonym to protect her family, especially her daughter, whom Suzanna believes has ROGD. Suzanna isn’t an academic. She is a mother who has become an activist to raise awareness about this phenomenon, including by creating an online survey for parents who believed their children had ROGD. The survey was hosted by the website ParentsOfROGDKids.com. I was impressed with her findings and we decided to collaborate.

Although it is unusual for an academic to collaborate with someone who is anonymous, I decided to do so for two reasons. First, I understood why Suzanna felt she needed to keep her identity private. Second, at all stages of our collaboration, I was able to confirm that the work she had done was well-informed, careful, and reliable.



Come on.....if you're in charge of a scientific journal? In what world would you publish this?
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Parents of ROGD Kids (often shortened to P.O.R.K.), also known among trans people as Parents of Frogged Kids, is a transphobic webshite dedicated to spreading the debunked notion of rapid-onset gender dysphoria. It smears gender-affirming healthcare through using quotes mined from the paper that actually proves it works,[1] as well as providing information on how to find a conversion therapy practitioner.[2]. You can even find some of them here![3] It has a made-up list of "causes" for gender dysphoria.[4]
Claims that children decide to transition due to being "naïve and impressionable" are not supported by any legitimate science... well, at least they discovered that they are transgender.
Despite claiming to fight "political ideology dressed up as science", the authors themselves are unable to support their own claims, making this website ideological in nature.
The creators of the website are anonymous because they know the truth behind its content.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:03 pm https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Parents_of_ROGD_Kids

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nah, don't you know that wikipedia is part of the liberal Deep State that controls everything worldwide, that international cabal of child molesters and child blood drinkers?
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:03 pm https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Parents_of_ROGD_Kids

Sometimes it feels like Peter brown never left
Looks like the Swede's have been fooled by rationalwiki.org

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/02/1 ... -for-teens

"Back in 2015, the Swedish health authority had stated that puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones were “safe”. These treatments are designed to help people with gender dysphoria transition from their biological sex to the gender they personally identify with.

Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare explains that the reason behind the rollback is that little is known about the effects of these treatments over the long term and "the risks outweigh the benefits currently".

However, experts say those treatments were designed for exceptional cases in the first place.

"We had a protocol in place which was designed for very rare and extreme cases and suddenly the demand exploded so we continued to use that protocol,” said Mikael Landen, a psychiatrist specialising in gender dysphoria who contributed to the scientific study on which Sweden’s health authority based its decision.

“Maybe we shouldn’t have done that. But I wouldn’t be the one criticising the clinicians for doing that because it was difficult, they wanted to help these patients," he told AFP.

Sweden, like many other western countries, has in recent years seen a sharp rise in diagnoses of gender dysphoria.

According to the Swedish health authority, the trend is particularly visible among 13- to 17-year-olds assigned female at birth, with an increase of 1,500 per cent between 2008 and 2018.

Experts say the reasons for this increase remain largely a "mystery".

"Tolerance has been high in Sweden for at least the last 25 years, so you can't say it has changed," Landen said when asked if it was simply a result of a more accepting society.

‘Serious side effects’
In 2019, there were at least 13 minors who suffered from "serious side effects,” according to Swedish reports.

One of them had developed osteoporosis - a health condition that weakens bones - after taking puberty blockers. Others have suffered from liver damage, significant weight gain and depressive symptoms.

This was revealed by investigative journalist Carolina Jemsby, who directed the documentary ‘The Trans Train’.

She believes the current debate shows the issue of gender-affirming care for trans teens is "more complex than the healthcare system and society had hoped".

"One aspect of this dilemma is that it has become a political issue," she told AFP.

"It does a disservice to this group who need scientifically proven medical care to help them and give them a better life, and a better ability to live who they are".

A Swedish paediatric endocrinologist, Ricard Nergårdh, recently told the country’s public broadcaster that the procedure teenagers with gender dysphoria go through was “chemical castration”.

Several European countries are stepping back from gender-affirming care.

Finland, which recently passed a new law allowing trans people to change their legal gender with a simple declaration, restricted hormone therapy for minors in 2020.

France followed suit by calling for "the utmost reserve" on hormone treatments for young people.

Broadly speaking, transgender rights have been a hot-button issue across many countries. Hungary passed a law in 2020 banning trans or intersex people from legally changing their gender,

Just last month, the UK government blocked the Scottish government's Gender Recognition Reform Bill, which made it easier for people to self-identify as transgender without the need for a medical diagnosis. The reform championed by Nicola Sturgeon caused a major political row and played a role in her shock resignation as first minister on Wednesday.

One country, however, is bucking the trend: Spain has just passed a controversial law allowing anyone over 16 to freely change gender on their ID card.

Until now, adults in Spain could only request the change with a medical document attesting to gender dysphoria and proving they had undergone hormonal treatment for two years. Minors needed judicial authorisation.
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get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:48 pm Ah, the "Argument from Authority". Nobody without a PhD should ever run an experiment, including hypotheses, observations, results and conclusions. Why, it should be illegal!!! At least he was honest about it, as opposed to some PhD who receives a grant knowing the conclusion the grantor is looking
That's right! I 1000% appeal to authorities on ANY scientific matter. But then...so do you.

I 100% want scientific papers to be written----and published---- by people who have proven that they are proficient using the scientific method, and have spotless CV's and experience.

Do you want to be given a drug that's been "tested" by "some guy on the internet"......or do you want licensed professionals to do that work? Or fly in a commercial plane designed.....or flown..... by "some guy on the internet"?

We both know the answer. You're arguing just to argue, and we both know it. ;)

get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:48 pm Do you really believe there is a tenfold increase in gender identity disorders among a lot of teenage girls who never expressed gender issues before? Are we experiencing a medical/psychological epidemic or is this more a social contagion brought about by trans ideology being pushed in schools and on social media?
What I believe is that this "issue" has been taken up by RightWingMedia.....and is clickbait designed to make you angry, and get you to flip out over an invented media issue that you knew nothing about until just a few months ago. And the information you're getting about what's really happening out there is half-*ssed, at best.

Why the F do you think this "issue" came to your attention?

What you SHOULD focus on is simple, if you REALLY believe this is at all a problem: make it illegal to make irreversible medical transitions until someone is an adult. Then your supposed concern is solved, right? You're worried about kids, so focus on that.

Many reasonable Americans would agree to such legislation. And then you could chill, and not worry about this issue ever again.

BTW...the average age for folks to make a medical gender change? 26 years old. That's a pretty good age, if you ask me.


In a direct answer to your question "do you really believe there is a tenfold increase in gender identity issues". I already answered that a few weeks ago.

It makes perfect sense that we're seeing a rise in this, Get it to X. It's right up there with the fact that more people are coming out of the closet than ever.

Why do you think that is? Because when you and I were kids, if you came out as gay in HS, two things were likely to happen: one, you'd get beat up on a weekly basis. Picked on and bullied nonstop. And two, you'd get thrown out of most homes. Oh, and you could lose your job, if you had one.

Pretend you're gay in 1980. Would YOU come out of the closet if you knew those two things would happen? The answer is: F no.

So yes, when kids feel more safe, they're FAR more likely to be honest about their sexuality. This should come as no suprise.
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a fan wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:34 pm
get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:48 pm Ah, the "Argument from Authority". Nobody without a PhD should ever run an experiment, including hypotheses, observations, results and conclusions. Why, it should be illegal!!! At least he was honest about it, as opposed to some PhD who receives a grant knowing the conclusion the grantor is looking
That's right! I 1000% appeal to authorities on ANY scientific matter. But then...so do you.

I 100% want scientific papers to be written----and published---- by people who have proven that they are proficient using the scientific method, and have spotless CV's and experience.

Do you want to be given a drug that's been "tested" by "some guy on the internet"......or do you want licensed professionals to do that work? Or fly in a commercial plane designed.....or flown..... by "some guy on the internet"?

We both know the answer. You're arguing just to argue, and we both know it. ;)

get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:48 pm Do you really believe there is a tenfold increase in gender identity disorders among a lot of teenage girls who never expressed gender issues before? Are we experiencing a medical/psychological epidemic or is this more a social contagion brought about by trans ideology being pushed in schools and on social media?
What I believe is that this "issue" has been taken up by RightWingMedia.....and is clickbait designed to make you angry, and get you to flip out over an invented media issue that you knew nothing about until just a few months ago. And the information you're getting about what's really happening out there is half-*ssed, at best.

Why the F do you think this "issue" came to your attention?

What you SHOULD focus on is simple, if you REALLY believe this is at all a problem: make it illegal to make irreversible medical transitions until someone is an adult. Then your supposed concern is solved, right? You're worried about kids, so focus on that.

Many reasonable Americans would agree to such legislation. And then you could chill, and not worry about this issue ever again.

BTW...the average age for folks to make a medical gender change? 26 years old. That's a pretty good age, if you ask me.


In a direct answer to your question "do you really believe there is a tenfold increase in gender identity issues". I already answered that a few weeks ago.

It makes perfect sense that we're seeing a rise in this, Get it to X. It's right up there with the fact that more people are coming out of the closet than ever.

Why do you think that is? Because when you and I were kids, if you came out as gay in HS, two things were likely to happen: one, you'd get beat up on a weekly basis. Picked on and bullied nonstop. And two, you'd get thrown out of most homes. Oh, and you could lose your job, if you had one.

Pretend you're gay in 1980. Would YOU come out of the closet if you knew those two things would happen? The answer is: F no.

So yes, when kids feel more safe, they're FAR more likely to be honest about their sexuality. This should come as no suprise.
My college buds that got together once a week for poker and beers included a guy who was out as gay. That was 1975. We didn't care then and we don't care now. The Swedes didn't think it was a more tolerant society. I'd be more inclined to credit it to schools and Tik Tok.
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a fan wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:34 pm
get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:48 pm Ah, the "Argument from Authority". Nobody without a PhD should ever run an experiment, including hypotheses, observations, results and conclusions. Why, it should be illegal!!! At least he was honest about it, as opposed to some PhD who receives a grant knowing the conclusion the grantor is looking
That's right! I 1000% appeal to authorities on ANY scientific matter. But then...so do you.

I 100% want scientific papers to be written----and published---- by people who have proven that they are proficient using the scientific method, and have spotless CV's and experience.

Do you want to be given a drug that's been "tested" by "some guy on the internet"......or do you want licensed professionals to do that work? Or fly in a commercial plane designed.....or flown..... by "some guy on the internet"?

We both know the answer. You're arguing just to argue, and we both know it. ;)

get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:48 pm Do you really believe there is a tenfold increase in gender identity disorders among a lot of teenage girls who never expressed gender issues before? Are we experiencing a medical/psychological epidemic or is this more a social contagion brought about by trans ideology being pushed in schools and on social media?
What I believe is that this "issue" has been taken up by RightWingMedia.....and is clickbait designed to make you angry, and get you to flip out over an invented media issue that you knew nothing about until just a few months ago. And the information you're getting about what's really happening out there is half-*ssed, at best.

Why the F do you think this "issue" came to your attention?

What you SHOULD focus on is simple, if you REALLY believe this is at all a problem: make it illegal to make irreversible medical transitions until someone is an adult. Then your supposed concern is solved, right? You're worried about kids, so focus on that.

Many reasonable Americans would agree to such legislation. And then you could chill, and not worry about this issue ever again.

BTW...the average age for folks to make a medical gender change? 26 years old. That's a pretty good age, if you ask me.


In a direct answer to your question "do you really believe there is a tenfold increase in gender identity issues". I already answered that a few weeks ago.

It makes perfect sense that we're seeing a rise in this, Get it to X. It's right up there with the fact that more people are coming out of the closet than ever.

Why do you think that is? Because when you and I were kids, if you came out as gay in HS, two things were likely to happen: one, you'd get beat up on a weekly basis. Picked on and bullied nonstop. And two, you'd get thrown out of most homes. Oh, and you could lose your job, if you had one.

Pretend you're gay in 1980. Would YOU come out of the closet if you knew those two things would happen? The answer is: F no.

So yes, when kids feel more safe, they're FAR more likely to be honest about their sexuality. This should come as no suprise.
It’s just more dumb fear mongering.
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get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:02 pm My college buds that got together once a week for poker and beers included a guy who was out as gay. That was 1975. We didn't care then and we don't care now.
Yeah...that was YOU (tip of the hat, btw). And that was in College, not HS as is the context of our discussion.

This is case in point: when your friend was in High School? His "gayness" was classified as a mental disorder by American Psychiatric Association. That didn't change until 1973. Up until a 2020 SCOTUS ruling? Your bud could be fired from his job in many States simply for being gay.

You know perfectly well that gay or effeminate kids were beaten to within an inch of their lives all across America until just the last few years. All because they're gay. This isn't in dispute. THAT is why they stayed in the closet. And THAT is why they're coming out more here in 2023.

Makes perfect sense.
get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:02 pm The Swedes didn't think it was a more tolerant society. I'd be more inclined to credit it to schools and Tik Tok.
I have no idea what this means.
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a fan wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:11 pm
get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:02 pm My college buds that got together once a week for poker and beers included a guy who was out as gay. That was 1975. We didn't care then and we don't care now.
Yeah...that was YOU (tip of the hat, btw). And that was in College, not HS as is the context of our discussion.

This is case in point: when your friend was in High School? His "gayness" was classified as a mental disorder by American Psychiatric Association. That didn't change until 1973. Up until a 2020 SCOTUS ruling? Your bud could be fired from his job in many States simply for being gay.

You know perfectly well that gay or effeminate kids were beaten to within an inch of their lives all across America until just the last few years. All because they're gay. This isn't in dispute. THAT is why they stayed in the closet. And THAT is why they're coming out more here in 2023.

Makes perfect sense.
get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:02 pm The Swedes didn't think it was a more tolerant society. I'd be more inclined to credit it to schools and Tik Tok.
I have no idea what this means.
From my earlier post:

Sweden, like many other western countries, has in recent years seen a sharp rise in diagnoses of gender dysphoria.

According to the Swedish health authority, the trend is particularly visible among 13- to 17-year-olds assigned female at birth, with an increase of 1,500 per cent between 2008 and 2018.

Experts say the reasons for this increase remain largely a "mystery".

"Tolerance has been high in Sweden for at least the last 25 years, so you can't say it has changed," Landen said when asked if it was simply a result of a more accepting society.
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Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

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youthathletics wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:42 pm Some call it a 'cult' that has expanded with the growth in social media.
Dude you are on social media all the time. instatwatter, etc. what cult are you in? Third eye gang?
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Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:20 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:42 pm Some call it a 'cult' that has expanded with the growth in social media.
Dude you are on social media all the time. instatwatter, etc. what cult are you in? Third eye gang?
You, and quite a few others are in the LaxPower Cult. In rough numbers here are the posts per day:

youthathletics 6.9
a fan 8.5
FFG 10.6
Mdlaxfan76 12.7
get it to x 0.7

For those of you that are married, do your wives need to make an appointment to see "Mr. Winky"?
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Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

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get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:02 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:34 pm
get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:48 pm Ah, the "Argument from Authority". Nobody without a PhD should ever run an experiment, including hypotheses, observations, results and conclusions. Why, it should be illegal!!! At least he was honest about it, as opposed to some PhD who receives a grant knowing the conclusion the grantor is looking
That's right! I 1000% appeal to authorities on ANY scientific matter. But then...so do you.

I 100% want scientific papers to be written----and published---- by people who have proven that they are proficient using the scientific method, and have spotless CV's and experience.

Do you want to be given a drug that's been "tested" by "some guy on the internet"......or do you want licensed professionals to do that work? Or fly in a commercial plane designed.....or flown..... by "some guy on the internet"?

We both know the answer. You're arguing just to argue, and we both know it. ;)

get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:48 pm Do you really believe there is a tenfold increase in gender identity disorders among a lot of teenage girls who never expressed gender issues before? Are we experiencing a medical/psychological epidemic or is this more a social contagion brought about by trans ideology being pushed in schools and on social media?
What I believe is that this "issue" has been taken up by RightWingMedia.....and is clickbait designed to make you angry, and get you to flip out over an invented media issue that you knew nothing about until just a few months ago. And the information you're getting about what's really happening out there is half-*ssed, at best.

Why the F do you think this "issue" came to your attention?

What you SHOULD focus on is simple, if you REALLY believe this is at all a problem: make it illegal to make irreversible medical transitions until someone is an adult. Then your supposed concern is solved, right? You're worried about kids, so focus on that.

Many reasonable Americans would agree to such legislation. And then you could chill, and not worry about this issue ever again.

BTW...the average age for folks to make a medical gender change? 26 years old. That's a pretty good age, if you ask me.


In a direct answer to your question "do you really believe there is a tenfold increase in gender identity issues". I already answered that a few weeks ago.

It makes perfect sense that we're seeing a rise in this, Get it to X. It's right up there with the fact that more people are coming out of the closet than ever.

Why do you think that is? Because when you and I were kids, if you came out as gay in HS, two things were likely to happen: one, you'd get beat up on a weekly basis. Picked on and bullied nonstop. And two, you'd get thrown out of most homes. Oh, and you could lose your job, if you had one.

Pretend you're gay in 1980. Would YOU come out of the closet if you knew those two things would happen? The answer is: F no.

So yes, when kids feel more safe, they're FAR more likely to be honest about their sexuality. This should come as no suprise.
My college buds that got together once a week for poker and beers included a guy who was out as gay. That was 1975. We didn't care then and we don't care now. The Swedes didn't think it was a more tolerant society. I'd be more inclined to credit it to schools and Tik Tok.
... I'd be more inclined to credit it to conservative Christians, and the homophobic grifters Trump encircled himself with, facebook and twitter.
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Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

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get it to x wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:40 pm From my earlier post:

Sweden, like many other western countries, has in recent years seen a sharp rise in diagnoses of gender dysphoria.

According to the Swedish health authority, the trend is particularly visible among 13- to 17-year-olds assigned female at birth, with an increase of 1,500 per cent between 2008 and 2018.
When they say "an increase of 1,500% between 2008 and 2018".....an increase in WHAT?


More to the point: this is Sweden. What specifically do you want us to do here in America to fix the problem you see?

I can't even tell what you think the problem is here.
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