Well, at Calvert and Gilman, with which I have experience as both as a student (long ago) and shortly ago as a parent, they teach a very broad curriculum, building blocks of learning so as to productively address a myriad of subjects inclusive of "civics". And yes, they spend a ton of attention on emotional learning. Big emphasis.get it to x wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:51 pmPrivates get better results because they select. Would not be surprised, however, if public salaries are higher than private.a fan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:45 pmPrivate School tuition disagrees with you. How much is Gliman and St. Pauls? $35k and $65k, respectively (St. pauls includes room and board). And don't forget to add in the fat donations those schools get from rich donors that keeps that tuition down. So there's your free market price for the kind of education you and I want for everyone. Start there. Baltimore Public, by comparison, is at $16K.get it to x wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:58 pm All of the money in the world will be misspent unless the underserved institute a change from within.
In Denver, you get 20% more money working as a STARTING burger flipper at In and Out burger than you get as a starting Colorado teacher. In what world is that going to lead to top notch people getting into teaching?
How about we try funding schools fully before we decide it doesn't work?
It's not the leaders, Get it to X. It's the voters. They don't want to invest in kids in most of America.get it to x wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:58 pm They should not put up with the existing educational system. How? Stop voting for the people protecting it from accountability.
Take a look at the public school districts where they DO believe in it. Top of the line facilities and teacher's salaries, and taxes to pay for it.....of course, these are all rich districts with epic homes that are taxed to pay for it all.
That said, I agree with you completely that teacher's need the power to expel kids, and the State needs the power to sh*tcan bad teachers and administrators. And the State needs to fund a place for these kids that are expelled to go.
The system I object to is the one that has gotten away from a classical education like the Calvert School curriculum or the one I had in Baltimore County. Too much socio-emotional and too little life skills.
Also way too little civics. People should understand their form of government and everyone's responsibilities and rights in that system.
But it ain't simply about "selecting" smart kids, which, yes, they do...it's also that they spend immensely more in every aspect of the educational experience...there's no question as to whether enrichment activities are available, art, music, sports, etc...no funding questions as to whether these groups can afford top of the line coaches and teachers, travel, uniforms, etc...and obviously the student to teacher ration is much different than the average public school in Baltimore, the teaching salaries much better, the food better, the books and school supplies are much better (public school teachers often come out of their own pocket just to make sure their kids have pencils and paper)...and then there's technology...all of which costs 1.5-2X per student as the published list price for a full pay student...endowment and annual giving covers this...
And oh yeah, part of that "selection" is the benefit of families that are directly involved with their kid's education, reading and discussing books, current affairs...and providing good nutrition at home.
The truth is that if we actually wanted an equal educational opportunity for all, we'd need to spend MORE than what is spent by these schools.