Transfer Portal 2024

[Farfromgeneva]

is it even possible that regular commenters on this site don't understand that the only thing "the portal" has done for ease of transferring in re: to lacrosse is allow players to send fewer emails (or calls back in the day)?

do they think that young men that are willing to up and leave will only do it now that they don't have to copy and paste 6 emails?

It's a bit more than that, no? It allows student-athletes to see what's out there very easily without committing to anything. You don't have to be "willing to up and leave" to enter the portal. Say someone from a mid-major enters on a whim without any expectations. Then gets a call from a top 10 school and decides to make the move. That's a transfer that probably would not have happened prior to the existence of the portal. Cormier and Dickson ended up staying at UVA (lucky you) but how many kids in similar situations made the other choice? How many of those kids would have transferred pre-portal? I do think it effectively fosters and to some extent encourages more player movement than before. How much more — for lacrosse specifically? Hard to tell since the numbers have been boosted so much by the Covid craziness. Doc of course is absolutely wrong about not hitting the peak of transfers for lacrosse. He's going to be sorely disappointed by the overall talent pool after this year.

prior, you had to ask for your release (and receive it). as it was always granted, there is no difference.

you could have the exact same conversation with your coach (i want to see what my other opportunities are), and be brought back if you were valuable and the coach was amenable. the portal changed none of that.

You *could* have that conversation with your coach, doesn't mean you did. If you look at it literally yes it ultimately just boils down to less paperwork now but that's not really the original question IMO and certainly not an interesting one — it's if this new system leads to more transfers than before because of how seamless/student-friendly it is...and I think the answer is yes.

i don't think so? so at a standoff.
and no, it's not that interesting. i agree.
but it was that this system leads to more transfers and that means you can't win without a bunch of them and also that you can't be really good and deep because everyone will transfer.

anyway... i was thinking about one of those features that makes the portal useful or user-friendly in all this championship winning. cormier, dickson portalize and come back. 3-4+ years of portals. is there a semi-long list of those guys who have done that and come back to be a biggish piece on a champ contender? top 20 team? asking bc i don't know.

We see this every day with college administrators who are the best folks to sit on the other side of a trade from aside from govt employees and community bank CFOs/treasurers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

[Farfromgeneva]

Time will tell if you're right about the long-term growth of the portal but you're already wildly wrong. This year there are 112 players in the portal (as reported in Lacrosse Bucket) of which 28 are non-seniors (25%). Last year it was 176 players of which 83 were non-seniors (47%). That's a 36% drop in total number of players and a 66% drop in non-seniors in 1 year. Last year 39 players (22%) that were in the portal didn't transfer anywhere and of these 27 were seniors (69%). This year so far 32 players (29%) haven't transferred and 21 of them are seniors (66%). The inference is that far fewer players entered the portal this year and, while many more of them were seniors, there is about the same level of success in transferring.

Not interested in the "star" player debate but as we get further away from an extra Covid year being available I just don't see "star" players trying to find a different place to play for their senior year when they've only got 4 years of eligibility.

Unless it’s a small school and one has already ripped through the “laxstitutes” and needs a new greenfield..

[Farfromgeneva]

Time will tell if you're right about the long-term growth of the portal but you're already wildly wrong. This year there are 112 players in the portal (as reported in Lacrosse Bucket) of which 28 are non-seniors (25%). Last year it was 176 players of which 83 were non-seniors (47%). That's a 36% drop in total number of players and a 66% drop in non-seniors in 1 year. Last year 39 players (22%) that were in the portal didn't transfer anywhere and of these 27 were seniors (69%). This year so far 32 players (29%) haven't transferred and 21 of them are seniors (66%). The inference is that far fewer players entered the portal this year and, while many more of them were seniors, there is about the same level of success in transferring.

Not interested in the "star" player debate but as we get further away from an extra Covid year being available I just don't see "star" players trying to find a different place to play for their senior year when they've only got 4 years of eligibility.

Covid crew getting through the system is slowing it down. The answer is generally in between. The portal will be a factor going on. The teams that learn how to navigate it correctly will flourish. Throwing around NIL money and stocking up on portal players is likely to be very inconsistent and potentially harmful to the long term stability. You have to find the balance. Its going to be interesting.

Yep, Covid “blip.” If other sports are a measure, the transfer portal will steadily grow over time. No reason to believe lacrosse is an exception to the general rule. It’s a good development, as the portal facilitates options for transferring students.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/2/21/med ... nd-ii.aspx

DocBarrister

What general rule? Or even axiom? That things must be linear in life?

https://markets.businessinsider.com/com ... anol-price

Go to max history

[jersey shore lax]

Unless it’s a small school and one has already ripped through the “laxstitutes” and needs a new greenfield..

That is a really disgusting thing to say, it is insulting to both a lacrosse player and his current or past dating partner.

[Farfromgeneva]

Unless it’s a small school and one has already ripped through the “laxstitutes” and needs a new greenfield..

That is a really disgusting thing to say, it is insulting to both a lacrosse player and his current or past dating partner.

Yeah it’s never been said or thought before today…point is my comment is a superficial as this entire conversation is.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/ ... tmlpresent

[Njlaxx11]

Unless it’s a small school and one has already ripped through the “laxstitutes” and needs a new greenfield..

That is a really disgusting thing to say, it is insulting to both a lacrosse player and his current or past dating partner.

Yeah it’s never been said or thought before today…point is my comment is a superficial as this entire conversation is.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/ ... tmlpresent

this is fcked!

[51percentcorn]

Alot of interesting thoughts but anybody that thinks the lacrosse portal has any relationship with the basketball/football portal is nuts IMO - especially football - 85 full scholarships for many of those schools - close to 100 people with preferred walk-ons. You think you're all that and a bag of chips - 5* - McDonalds parade AA whatever - and you show up to Alabama and get introduced to Mr. Smith at wide receiver and you realize you are never going to strut your stuff and Saban won't even know your name - so you transfer. You are going to these schools primarily not to get an education but as a minor league for the NFL - at least that's what you think and what you have been told by your posse. That's Never what you are going to see in lacrosse. As many have already alluded - the portal is a free option to send your bat signal out to the masses but Most of the players that made a big difference - Would have finished their original eligibility if not for COVID. There will always be players unhappy with their situation, diamonds in the rough etc. but to the extent caused by COVID - NO.

[1766]

Unless it’s a small school and one has already ripped through the “laxstitutes” and needs a new greenfield..

That is a really disgusting thing to say, it is insulting to both a lacrosse player and his current or past dating partner.

Consider the source.

[Farfromgeneva]

He, from the I know something about a kid but I won’t disclose it just want you to think I’m super plugged in and know what I’m talking about” guy

[Farfromgeneva]

Alot of interesting thoughts but anybody that thinks the lacrosse portal has any relationship with the basketball/football portal is nuts IMO - especially football - 85 full scholarships for many of those schools - close to 100 people with preferred walk-ons. You think you're all that and a bag of chips - 5* - McDonalds parade AA whatever - and you show up to Alabama and get introduced to Mr. Smith at wide receiver and you realize you are never going to strut your stuff and Saban won't even know your name - so you transfer. You are going to these schools primarily not to get an education but as a minor league for the NFL - at least that's what you think and what you have been told by your posse. That's Never what you are going to see in lacrosse. As many have already alluded - the portal is a free option to send your bat signal out to the masses but Most of the players that made a big difference - Would have finished their original eligibility if not for COVID. There will always be players unhappy with their situation, diamonds in the rough etc. but to the extent caused by COVID - NO.

Yes! A putrid comparison underpinning so much here and yet not validated or supported as far as the eye can see.

[10stone5]

Alot of interesting thoughts but anybody that thinks the lacrosse portal has any relationship with the basketball/football portal is nuts IMO - especially football - 85 full scholarships for many of those schools - close to 100 people with preferred walk-ons. You think you're all that and a bag of chips - 5* - McDonalds parade AA whatever - and you show up to Alabama and get introduced to Mr. Smith at wide receiver and you realize you are never going to strut your stuff and Saban won't even know your name - so you transfer. You are going to these schools primarily not to get an education but as a minor league for the NFL - at least that's what you think and what you have been told by your posse. That's Never what you are going to see in lacrosse. As many have already alluded - the portal is a free option to send your bat signal out to the masses but Most of the players that made a big difference - Would have finished their original eligibility if not for COVID. There will always be players unhappy with their situation, diamonds in the rough etc. but to the extent caused by COVID - NO.

Yes! A putrid comparison underpinning so much here and yet not validated or supported as far as the eye can see.

You’re saying Lacrosse will go the route of football and basketball re: transfers ?

At this point, transfers impacted about 6% of the total DI lacrosse population.

[coda]

Just curious if any one has tracked the Ivy effect on the transfer portal? Just wondering what % of the portal do Ivy players represent (and % of actual transfers). Just guessing there are something like 4-8 portal eligible Ivy players per team that has exhausted their Ivy eligibility, but not NCAA eligibility. That stream of players is coming to end. This is a pretty big issue in lacrosse, compared to other sports.

[BrownDad]

Just curious if any one has tracked the Ivy effect on the transfer portal? Just wondering what % of the portal do Ivy players represent (and % of actual transfers). Just guessing there are something like 4-8 portal eligible Ivy players per team that has exhausted their Ivy eligibility, but not NCAA eligibility. That stream of players is coming to end. This is a pretty big issue in lacrosse, compared to other sports.

Last year it was 10 out of 176 and this year it's 15 out of 112.

[enterprise]

Just curious if any one has tracked the Ivy effect on the transfer portal? Just wondering what % of the portal do Ivy players represent (and % of actual transfers). Just guessing there are something like 4-8 portal eligible Ivy players per team that has exhausted their Ivy eligibility, but not NCAA eligibility. That stream of players is coming to end. This is a pretty big issue in lacrosse, compared to other sports.

Last year it was 10 out of 176 and this year it's 15 out of 112.

Regarding Ivy 5th year transfers -- these families have already paid for an expensive 4-year education unless eligible for need-based aid so that may be a factor playing into the decision of a student-athlete extending his/her playing career v. putting the earning power of the Ivy degree to work.

[coda]

Just curious if any one has tracked the Ivy effect on the transfer portal? Just wondering what % of the portal do Ivy players represent (and % of actual transfers). Just guessing there are something like 4-8 portal eligible Ivy players per team that has exhausted their Ivy eligibility, but not NCAA eligibility. That stream of players is coming to end. This is a pretty big issue in lacrosse, compared to other sports.

Last year it was 10 out of 176 and this year it's 15 out of 112.

Regarding Ivy 5th year transfers -- these families have already paid for an expensive 4-year education unless eligible for need-based aid so that may be a factor playing into the decision of a student-athlete extending his/her playing career v. putting the earning power of the Ivy degree to work.

I get that. Just curious. Irelan getting a full ride and cash in NIL, so it all depends on the situation. Just wondering how much they represent, since that will slow down.

[OCanada]

Irelan? By full ride do you mean by athletic scholarship or a combination of funding sources or ?

[coda]

Irelan? By full ride do you mean by athletic scholarship or a combination of funding sources or ?

ride and NIL

[Farfromgeneva]

Alot of interesting thoughts but anybody that thinks the lacrosse portal has any relationship with the basketball/football portal is nuts IMO - especially football - 85 full scholarships for many of those schools - close to 100 people with preferred walk-ons. You think you're all that and a bag of chips - 5* - McDonalds parade AA whatever - and you show up to Alabama and get introduced to Mr. Smith at wide receiver and you realize you are never going to strut your stuff and Saban won't even know your name - so you transfer. You are going to these schools primarily not to get an education but as a minor league for the NFL - at least that's what you think and what you have been told by your posse. That's Never what you are going to see in lacrosse. As many have already alluded - the portal is a free option to send your bat signal out to the masses but Most of the players that made a big difference - Would have finished their original eligibility if not for COVID. There will always be players unhappy with their situation, diamonds in the rough etc. but to the extent caused by COVID - NO.

Yes! A putrid comparison underpinning so much here and yet not validated or supported as far as the eye can see.

You’re saying Lacrosse will go the route of football and basketball re: transfers ?

At this point, transfers impacted about 6% of the total DI lacrosse population.

No I’m saying utilizing football data as a comp is silly.

[OCanada]

Irelan? By full ride do you mean by athletic scholarship or a combination of funding sources or ?

ride and NIL

By ride then sm i correct in thinking you are referencing Lerlan and a full athletic schollie at Hopkins. I ask bcs i don’t believe he will have a full athletic scholarship

[coda]

Irelan? By full ride do you mean by athletic scholarship or a combination of funding sources or ?

ride and NIL

By ride then sm i correct in thinking you are referencing Lerlan and a full athletic schollie at Hopkins. I ask bcs i don’t believe he will have a full athletic scholarship

Just what I was told. Probably the #1 Goalie on the market, so I don’t think it is a shocker