a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:01 pmLook it up if you don't believe me.
I believe you. But I also remember you heckling posters and claiming they had TDS when we complained about Trump's behaviors.
Oh please, with all the sh!t that's been thrown around on this board for years, mostly by libs/progs/Dems, TDS is benign.
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:38 pm
Maybe.
Libertarians are now so far gone that they don't support an infrastructure bill? Okay. That means we're F'ed long term.
You're confusing non-support with skepticism. We'll see if anything good comes from it.
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:38 pm
I agree on Ukraine and have said as much on here.
Do you think Biden Admin's zeal to destroy Putin has anything to do with the botched Afghan pullout? Great way to save face, look tough in eyes of world leaders after such a disaster?
I think that anyone rational thinks that Biden did just fine in the pullout.
Rational? Wow... okay a fan, whatever you say.
I'll ask you the same question that I asked Old Salt, a man with military experience, and he couldn't give me an answer:
I'm quite certain OS gave you an answer, but at the time, you most likey weren't listening and/or didn't like his reply or were too determined to turn it into a straw man argument or gotcha moment.
Give me your plan for pulling out of Afghanistan quickly with fewer than 13 American deaths.
Now before you answer, remember the math: in the last five years previous to the 2021 withdrawal, we had 15, 16, 23, and 11 deaths. So that means that if you take your time, and stay for 12 months past Biden's 2021 withdrawal, you'll have 16.25 deaths.
Good luck beating Biden's 13 deaths. Want OS's response? His response was: don't leave. Which means he concedes the 16.25 deaths per year in perpetuity. Which also means that Biden's evac was better by a mile.
Let's hear your withdrawal plan. Did you notice how many KIA's we had in 2022, and 2023? Big fat, beautiful ZERO.
I'm OVERJOYED that Biden got us out of there, after Obama failed to pull us out the day after we popped Bin Laden----which was the ENTIRE REASON we went in in the first place. Mission accomplished, get the F out. Obama could have both gotten us out, AND given our troops closure and the feeling of a finished job.
Ooofa... I'll be brief here since this has been discussed/argued ad nauseam. MY plan? Ha! I'll just add that the excuse blaming Trump for timeline forcing Biden's folly is total BS. Biden could have changed the timeline in anyway he wished. He was now in driver seat after all.
My problem is there was no Biden "plan," he simply pulled the plug. For me, there's the rub... timing and lack of a logical plan.
I agree with what OS has said many times, holding on to Bagram and all it's resources, would had made perfect sense.
I also have to agree with those who say, the weakness/stupidity shown with the impulsive/reckless Afghan departure, emboldened Putin to move on Ukraine.
And as I mentioned in another post... the Biden Admin, eager for a face-saving war, has obliged.
That said and despite the Bagram debacle, glad we're out. Don't get upset, both can simultaneously be true. Hope that suffices a fan.
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:38 pm
Again, maybe.
This is in response to the Chip Act. So this means you prefer that we continue to be dependent on computer Chips from Taiwan and other places. Do I have that right?
No, that's not right a fan. It will be a positive IMO if it actually happens. Again, skeptical, that's all.
Wasn't the concept of Chip Act first floated by Trump Admin? And, I have to wonder, if things were flipped and it was a republican initiative, would the bi-partisanship (although narrow) that allowed it to pass, hold up? Probably not.
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