Would certainly be happy to have him back (again) but I don't know how much I love the playing time logjam and locker room space further returnees and transfers starts to impose.
My counts might not be quite right but you had at most 14 leaving due to graduation in the Seniors + Grad Students listed on the roster and it sounds like you've already got 4 or 5 of those folks set to return 2 of which were already starters at positions that don't have a rotation (not the rope unit) so now we're talking like the roster shrinks by ~9.
Recruiting Class coming in is 17 and 3 transfers have so far been added. So you're +20 for a net of like +11... last years roster was 49 so you're talking a roster of 60 as things are right now. Might have to cull a few names which doesn't seem like a fun task.
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I don't see any transferring Blue Jays so far on the portal forum page.Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:22 am Would certainly be happy to have him back (again) but I don't know how much I love the playing time logjam and locker room space further returnees and transfers starts to impose.
My counts might not be quite right but you had at most 14 leaving due to graduation in the Seniors + Grad Students listed on the roster and it sounds like you've already got 4 or 5 of those folks set to return 2 of which were already starters at positions that don't have a rotation (not the rope unit) so now we're talking like the roster shrinks by ~9.
Recruiting Class coming in is 17 and 3 transfers have so far been added. So you're +20 for a net of like +11... last years roster was 49 so you're talking a roster of 60 as things are right now. Might have to cull a few names which doesn't seem like a fun task.
If those roster numbers stay true, I'm sure 51, who does not like inflated rosters, will weigh in at some point.
Assuming HF16 is correct you're basically looking at degnons spot, a spot in the fogo rotation, and backup goalie as the only open areas on the team without incumbents. That's a tall wall for next years jrs, sophs, and frosh who aren't already in the mix to climb to get playing time.
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Roster was at 49 as of the end of the season. By my count we lose 11: Mazzone, Hawley, Degnon (TBD I guess), Caracciolo, Versfeld, Glassmeyer, Marcille, Handsor, Krampf, Narewski, Ruddy. That brings us to 38. Add the 20 newcomers (17 freshmen + 3 transfers) and you're at 58. Chris Jast reported that Gelinas may redshirt and if that's the case he probably won't be the only one.Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:22 am Would certainly be happy to have him back (again) but I don't know how much I love the playing time logjam and locker room space further returnees and transfers starts to impose.
My counts might not be quite right but you had at most 14 leaving due to graduation in the Seniors + Grad Students listed on the roster and it sounds like you've already got 4 or 5 of those folks set to return 2 of which were already starters at positions that don't have a rotation (not the rope unit) so now we're talking like the roster shrinks by ~9.
Recruiting Class coming in is 17 and 3 transfers have so far been added. So you're +20 for a net of like +11... last years roster was 49 so you're talking a roster of 60 as things are right now. Might have to cull a few names which doesn't seem like a fun task.
I think they just roll with the bigger boat for a year because after that, the numbers will drop naturally due to the end of the extra Covid year and some other factors. The '24 recruiting class is also smaller, with 11 guys. Some very rough back-of-napkin math says we should be back at around 50-52 for the 2025 season and then things levelize from there. So yeah it'll be a full locker room this upcoming season but don't think that's longterm.
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I suppose it would be far different if a coach de-commited from a player. Back in the days of (really) early recruiting, I understood that once there was a verbal committment, the coach had far more to lose by breaking it than the recruit.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:56 amPosner wants what's best for his players but also who gives a sh*tcoda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:53 amI will bet he is not happy about this. The timing is the big issue. There is nothing you can do about this. I doubt Posner is happy about this either.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:46 amShay has poached his fair share of Hop commits. He's a big boy, he'll be fine
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i, for one, will be shocked if he were granted a medical. if in fact he played his last game when only 5 countable games were played thereafter on the schedule, he's after the "last half of the season". haven't seen or heard of an exception granted for the 30+/50 rule. they've been giving out eligibility like candy since covid, but this was also pre-covid.Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:04 amis this info that you have heard he is trying to do so or just musing that he potentially could have?
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20...man, that rivals those Syracuse years of over recruitment.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:40 amRoster was at 49 as of the end of the season. By my count we lose 11: Mazzone, Hawley, Degnon (TBD I guess), Caracciolo, Versfeld, Glassmeyer, Marcille, Handsor, Krampf, Narewski, Ruddy. That brings us to 38. Add the 20 newcomers (17 freshmen + 3 transfers) and you're at 58. Chris Jast reported that Gelinas may redshirt and if that's the case he probably won't be the only one.Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:22 am Would certainly be happy to have him back (again) but I don't know how much I love the playing time logjam and locker room space further returnees and transfers starts to impose.
My counts might not be quite right but you had at most 14 leaving due to graduation in the Seniors + Grad Students listed on the roster and it sounds like you've already got 4 or 5 of those folks set to return 2 of which were already starters at positions that don't have a rotation (not the rope unit) so now we're talking like the roster shrinks by ~9.
Recruiting Class coming in is 17 and 3 transfers have so far been added. So you're +20 for a net of like +11... last years roster was 49 so you're talking a roster of 60 as things are right now. Might have to cull a few names which doesn't seem like a fun task.
I think they just roll with the bigger boat for a year because after that, the numbers will drop naturally due to the end of the extra Covid year and some other factors. The '24 recruiting class is also smaller, with 11 guys. Some very rough back-of-napkin math says we should be back at around 50-52 for the 2025 season and then things levelize from there. So yeah it'll be a full locker room this upcoming season but don't think that's longterm.
I dunno, gotta think not everyone sticks through fall.
I wonder if the AD is cool with so many...or does Milliman get some pressure to cut?
Agreed with the challenge being the Covid effect, but 20 inbound...
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Seems to me PM has a mandate to win. I am speculating, but I suspect that mandate was given before this year’s successful season and hasn’t changed. Such a mandate is just about the only thing I can see justifying 20 new players (and counting?).MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:27 pm20...man, that rivals those Syracuse years of over recruitment.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:40 amRoster was at 49 as of the end of the season. By my count we lose 11: Mazzone, Hawley, Degnon (TBD I guess), Caracciolo, Versfeld, Glassmeyer, Marcille, Handsor, Krampf, Narewski, Ruddy. That brings us to 38. Add the 20 newcomers (17 freshmen + 3 transfers) and you're at 58. Chris Jast reported that Gelinas may redshirt and if that's the case he probably won't be the only one.Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:22 am Would certainly be happy to have him back (again) but I don't know how much I love the playing time logjam and locker room space further returnees and transfers starts to impose.
My counts might not be quite right but you had at most 14 leaving due to graduation in the Seniors + Grad Students listed on the roster and it sounds like you've already got 4 or 5 of those folks set to return 2 of which were already starters at positions that don't have a rotation (not the rope unit) so now we're talking like the roster shrinks by ~9.
Recruiting Class coming in is 17 and 3 transfers have so far been added. So you're +20 for a net of like +11... last years roster was 49 so you're talking a roster of 60 as things are right now. Might have to cull a few names which doesn't seem like a fun task.
I think they just roll with the bigger boat for a year because after that, the numbers will drop naturally due to the end of the extra Covid year and some other factors. The '24 recruiting class is also smaller, with 11 guys. Some very rough back-of-napkin math says we should be back at around 50-52 for the 2025 season and then things levelize from there. So yeah it'll be a full locker room this upcoming season but don't think that's longterm.
I dunno, gotta think not everyone sticks through fall.
I wonder if the AD is cool with so many...or does Milliman get some pressure to cut?
Agreed with the challenge being the Covid effect, but 20 inbound...
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holy ****, doc says something i agree with. this is not pointing at hopkins, or milliman or anyone else.
coaches can choose to run their programs within the parameters they're given as they see fit.
that comes with upsides and possible downsides short term, long term. they are no doubt aware of those outcomes as well as unintended consequences. or at least they should be. same goes for players/parents. caveat emptor on both sides.
coaches can choose to run their programs within the parameters they're given as they see fit.
that comes with upsides and possible downsides short term, long term. they are no doubt aware of those outcomes as well as unintended consequences. or at least they should be. same goes for players/parents. caveat emptor on both sides.
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I have to go back to this post. A happy team is a successful team. PM is a program guy. Like a ton of other successful Hop coaches, he exudes an aura of confidence that's backed up by results. It gives the players room to succeed.nyjay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:49 amAnother data point is that - as far as I can tell - Hop doesn't have a single out-going player in the portal. Would seem to be a sign that the program has turned a massive corner culturally.NOVALax2015 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:48 amLast year was a great year for the jays, especially when you consider expectations based on 2022. Our expectations should be very high now that we landed a critical piece between the pipes (and stole a prize from Yale). Excited? Hell yeah!
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These things just really have added up in a nickel and dime fashion though. One here, two there, etc. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.
But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.
Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?
Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".
If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.
But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.
Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?
Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".
If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.
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I agree with your point … Vardaro had 26 goals and 23 assists in 15 games as a midfielder for Princeton. Is any HC going to reject him saying, “No thanks … we have enough middies scoring 50-ish points. Have you considered Jacksonville?”Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickle and dime fashion though. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.
But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.
Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?
Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".
If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.
No idea where Vardaro is looking, but Hopkins and just about everyone else could use his talents.
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largely true. still, just the sheer numbers, 60? or a couple fewer guys is going to be a dynamic for recruiting and everything else re: retention. which has been great to date. they will have effects that may never be known. one might be "great! i have 60 buds, not 42!"Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickel and dime fashion though. One here, two there, etc. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.
But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.
Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?
Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".
If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.
but there may be others that run counter. you don't get a large roster by accident.
ftr, alabama probably has about the same size roster as central florida. so who knows? this is just one piece, anyway. the guys that expect to play are looking at short term depth charts on field 1st, and not the end of the bench. some guys leverage the education, hold out hope they could move up but are ok if the everything else at school is good.
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Congrats...sounds like a school that values sports...44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:40 pm Johns Hopkins University won the 2022-23 Learfield Directors’ Cup
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That's my only point. It's a huge roster and that will likely have implications in ways that go beyond the immediate benefits.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:26 pmlargely true. still, just the sheer numbers, 60? or a couple fewer guys is going to be a dynamic for recruiting and everything else re: retention. which has been great to date. they will have effects that may never be known. one might be "great! i have 60 buds, not 42!"Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickel and dime fashion though. One here, two there, etc. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.
But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.
Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?
Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".
If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.
but there may be others that run counter. you don't get a large roster by accident.
ftr, alabama probably has about the same size roster as central florida. so who knows? this is just one piece, anyway. the guys that expect to play are looking at short term depth charts on field 1st, and not the end of the bench. some guys leverage the education, hold out hope they could move up but are ok if the everything else at school is good.
My question was about whether that size roster has implications for an AD who has no doubt been told to increase the overall academic profile of the entire athlete group and who no doubt has various Title IX constraints as well.
I'd just think there's going to need to be some adjustments, whether through cuts or reduced class sizes going forward to get roster size 'right-sized' relative to other constraints. Perhaps that's all part of the plan.
In any case, it sure doesn't sound like a situation in which the program isn't getting Administration support...
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Re: Johns Hopkins 2024
Congratulations to all the Blue Jays!44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:40 pm Johns Hopkins University won the 2022-23 Learfield Directors’ Cup
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My read from the larger roster is that the kids seem to like PM and what he JK and JC et al have built internally. I can live with that. Frankly PM hasn't been as aggressive as some of the other schools in the portal at least from the numbers of kids brought in at the end.Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickel and dime fashion though. One here, two there, etc. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.
But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.
Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?
Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".
If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.
FWIW on Crawley I think UNC tonight joined UVA and Maryland as having made assistant coaching changes since he was hired. I'm not saying he would have gotten those jobs, but PM probably looks smart for striking when he did.
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I watched many Lawrenceville games and Chauvette was a lefty sniper, similar to Wisnauskas. Rawson had many assists to him.jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:54 pmIs chauvette better than degnon and is he the replacement there?HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:34 pm Maybe 06 will shut up now? What do you all think? Unlikely, right?
Ierlan turns the goalie position from a question mark into a strength. The defense is going to be formidable.
I remember being disappointed when Chauvette chose Yale, so glad he changed his mind. If you haven't watched tape on him, you should. He really does have an incredible shooting stroke. Between him, Ayers, and Sorichetti, there are at least three likely future starters in this incoming freshman attack group.
The importance of the Lawrenceville pipeline cannot be overstated. They are the best high school program in the country and are positioned to stay that way for years to come. And no one is recruiting them better than our staff. Notre Dame has Chaminade...Hopkins now has Lawrenceville.
Well done to PM and co. for making these two moves. The Jays got better today.
Degnon improved greatly over the course of his career.
Chauvette may be instant offense.
A fantastic addition.
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Agree with this. This strikes me more as having an idea of what you want to be as a program, getting the players you want (the 22 and 23 recruiting classes, Melendez) and then being opportunistic in the face of success (Ierlan) than a panicked response to a “win now” mandate.Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickel and dime fashion though. One here, two there, etc. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.
But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.
Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?
Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".
If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.
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