The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

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kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:41 am I’m fine with the schools keeping out of anything to do with sexuality. Including all the things you mentioned you learned.
You're mistaken. No books that mention families? None of husbands and wives? Picture how many books that eliminates. And school dances go bye-bye, I assume?

And you also want to get rid of sex ed?

Help me understand why you'd rather avoid teaching entire swaths of Western Civilization, all to avoid telling students that yup, we have gay Americans, and they've been struggling for their rights since America was formed. What's the actual problem here?
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Very important math lesson in HS, kids certainly disagree. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtWqWF6O ... I4NDBkZg==
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youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:09 pm Very important math lesson in HS, kids certainly disagree. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtWqWF6O ... I4NDBkZg==
Quoting “some guy on the internet “ as fact again, are we?

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a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:09 pm Very important math lesson in HS, kids certainly disagree. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtWqWF6O ... I4NDBkZg==
Quoting “some guy on the internet “ as fact again, are we?

;)
:lol: Always go after the person delivering the content when things go sideways. ;)
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:28 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:09 pm Very important math lesson in HS, kids certainly disagree. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtWqWF6O ... I4NDBkZg==
Quoting “some guy on the internet “ as fact again, are we?

;)
:lol: Always go after the person delivering the content when things go sideways. ;)
Ya——so you’ll take my word for it when I tell you that was taken from a college seminar ?
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Student-made video where they mention pride month for a minute. Probably shown to each class. Feel free to get indoctrinated and groomed: :roll:

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a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:09 pm Very important math lesson in HS, kids certainly disagree. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtWqWF6O ... I4NDBkZg==
Quoting “some guy on the internet “ as fact again, are we?

;)
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Instagram Connects Vast Pedophile Network - WSJ

June 7, 2023 7:05 am ET
Instagram, the popular social-media site owned by Meta META 2.23% Platforms, helps connect and promote a vast network of accounts openly devoted to the commission and purchase of underage-sex content, according to investigations by The Wall Street Journal and researchers at Stanford University and the University of Massachusetts Amherst.

Pedophiles have long used the internet, but unlike the forums and file-transfer services that cater to people who have interest in illicit content, Instagram doesn’t merely host these activities. Its algorithms promote them. Instagram connects pedophiles and guides them to content sellers via recommendation systems that excel at linking those who share niche interests, the Journal and the academic researchers found.

Though out of sight for most on the platform, the sexualized accounts on Instagram are brazen about their interest. The researchers found that Instagram enabled people to search explicit hashtags such as #pedowhore and #preteensex and connected them to accounts that used the terms to advertise child-sex material for sale. Such accounts often claim to be run by the children themselves and use overtly sexual handles incorporating words such as “little slut for you.”

Instagram accounts offering to sell illicit sex material generally don’t publish it openly, instead posting “menus” of content. Certain accounts invite buyers to commission specific acts. Some menus include prices for videos of children harming themselves and “imagery of the minor performing sexual acts with animals,” researchers at the Stanford Internet Observatory found. At the right price, children are available for in-person “meet ups.”

The promotion of underage-sex content violates rules established by Meta as well as federal law.

In response to questions from the Journal, Meta acknowledged problems within its enforcement operations and said it has set up an internal task force to address the issues raised. “Child exploitation is a horrific crime,” the company said, adding, “We’re continuously investigating ways to actively defend against this behavior.”

Meta said it has in the past two years taken down 27 pedophile networks and is planning more removals. Since receiving the Journal queries, the platform said it has blocked thousands of hashtags that sexualize children, some with millions of posts, and restricted its systems from recommending users search for terms known to be associated with sex abuse. It said it is also working on preventing its systems from recommending that potentially pedophilic adults connect with one another or interact with one another’s content.

Alex Stamos, the head of the Stanford Internet Observatory and Meta’s chief security officer until 2018, said that getting even obvious abuse under control would likely take a sustained effort.

“That a team of three academics with limited access could find such a huge network should set off alarms at Meta,” he said, noting that the company has far more effective tools to map its pedophile network than outsiders do. “I hope the company reinvests in human investigators,” he added.

Alex Stamos, director of the Stanford Internet Observatory in Palo Alto, Calif. Photo: Helynn Ospina for The Wall Street Journal
Technical and legal hurdles make determining the full scale of the network hard for anyone outside Meta to measure precisely.

Because the laws around child-sex content are extremely broad, investigating even the open promotion of it on a public platform is legally sensitive.

In its reporting, the Journal consulted with academic experts on online child safety. Stanford’s Internet Observatory, a division of the university’s Cyber Policy Center focused on social-media abuse, produced an independent quantitative analysis of the Instagram features that help users connect and find content.

The Journal also approached UMass’s Rescue Lab, which evaluated how pedophiles on Instagram fit into the larger world of online child exploitation. Using different methods, both entities were able to quickly identify large-scale communities promoting criminal sex abuse.

Test accounts set up by researchers that viewed a single account in the network were immediately hit with “suggested for you” recommendations of purported child-sex-content sellers and buyers, as well as accounts linking to off-platform content trading sites. Following just a handful of these recommendations was enough to flood a test account with content that sexualizes children.

The Stanford Internet Observatory used hashtags associated with underage sex to find 405 sellers of what researchers labeled “self-generated” child-sex material—or accounts purportedly run by children themselves, some saying they were as young as 12. According to data gathered via Maltego, a network mapping software, 112 of those seller accounts collectively had 22,000 unique followers.

Underage-sex-content creators and buyers are just a corner of a larger ecosystem devoted to sexualized child content. Other accounts in the pedophile community on Instagram aggregate pro-pedophilia memes, or discuss their access to children. Current and former Meta employees who have worked on Instagram child-safety initiatives estimate the number of accounts that exist primarily to follow such content is in the high hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

A Meta spokesman said the company actively seeks to remove such users, taking down 490,000 accounts for violating its child safety policies in January alone.

“Instagram is an on-ramp to places on the internet where there’s more explicit child sexual abuse,” said Brian Levine, director of the UMass Rescue Lab, which researches online child victimization and builds forensic tools to combat it. Levine is an author of a 2022 report for the National Institute of Justice, the Justice Department’s research arm, on internet child exploitation.

Instagram, estimated to have more than 1.3 billion users, is especially popular with teens. The Stanford researchers found some similar sexually exploitative activity on other, smaller social platforms, but said they found that the problem on Instagram is particularly severe. “The most important platform for these networks of buyers and sellers seems to be Instagram,” they wrote in a report slated for release on June 7.


The Menlo Park campus of Meta Platforms. Photo: Helynn Ospina for The Wall Street Journal
Instagram said that its internal statistics show that users see child exploitation in less than one in 10 thousand posts viewed.

The effort by social-media platforms and law enforcement to fight the spread of child pornography online centers largely on hunting for confirmed images and videos, known as child sexual abuse material, or CSAM, which already are known to be in circulation. The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, a U.S. nonprofit organization that works with law enforcement, maintains a database of digital fingerprints for such images and videos and a platform for sharing such data among internet companies.

Internet company algorithms check the digital fingerprints of images posted on their platforms against that list, and report back to the center when they detect them, as U.S. federal law requires. In 2022, the center received 31.9 million reports of child pornography, mostly from internet companies—up 47% from two years earlier.

Meta, with more than 3 billion users across its apps, which include Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp, is able to detect these types of known images if they aren’t encrypted. Meta accounted for 85% of the child pornography reports filed to the center, including some 5 million from Instagram.

Meta’s automated screening for existing child exploitation content can’t detect new images or efforts to advertise their sale. Preventing and detecting such activity requires not just reviewing user reports but tracking and disrupting pedophile networks, say current and former staffers as well as the Stanford researchers. The goal is to make it difficult for such users to connect with each other, find content and recruit victims.

Such work is vital because law-enforcement agencies lack the resources to investigate more than a tiny fraction of the tips NCMEC receives, said Levine of UMass. That means the platforms have primary responsibility to prevent a community from forming and normalizing child sexual abuse.

Meta has struggled with these efforts more than other platforms both because of weak enforcement and design features that promote content discovery of legal as well as illicit material, Stanford found.

The Stanford team found 128 accounts offering to sell child-sex-abuse material on Twitter, less than a third the number they found on Instagram, which has a far larger overall user base than Twitter. Twitter didn’t recommend such accounts to the same degree as Instagram, and it took them down far more quickly, the team found.

Among other platforms popular with young people, Snapchat is used mainly for its direct messaging, so it doesn’t help create networks. And TikTok’s platform is one where “this type of content does not appear to proliferate,” the Stanford report said.

Twitter didn’t respond to requests for comment. TikTok and Snapchat declined to comment.

David Thiel, chief technologist at the Stanford Internet Observatory, said, “Instagram’s problem comes down to content-discovery features, the ways topics are recommended and how much the platform relies on search and links between accounts.” Thiel, who previously worked at Meta on security and safety issues, added, “You have to put guardrails in place for something that growth-intensive to still be nominally safe, and Instagram hasn’t.”

The platform has struggled to oversee a basic technology: keywords. Hashtags are a central part of content discovery on Instagram, allowing users to tag and find posts of interest to a particular community—from broad topics such as #fashion or #nba to narrower ones such as #embroidery or #spelunking.


A screenshot taken by the Stanford Internet Observatory shows the warning and clickthrough option when searching for a pedophilia-related hashtag on Instagram. Photo: Stanford Internet Observatory
Pedophiles have their chosen hashtags, too. Search terms such as #pedobait and variations on #mnsfw (“minor not safe for work”) had been used to tag thousands of posts dedicated to advertising sex content featuring children, rendering them easily findable by buyers, the academic researchers found. Following queries from the Journal, Meta said it is in the process of banning such terms.

In many cases, Instagram has permitted users to search for terms that its own algorithms know may be associated with illegal material. In such cases, a pop-up screen for users warned that “These results may contain images of child sexual abuse,” and noted that production and consumption of such material causes “extreme harm” to children. The screen offered two options for users: “Get resources” and “See results anyway.”

In response to questions from the Journal, Instagram removed the option for users to view search results for terms likely to produce illegal images. The company declined to say why it had offered the option.

The pedophilic accounts on Instagram mix brazenness with superficial efforts to veil their activity, researchers found. Certain emojis function as a kind of code, such as an image of a map—shorthand for “minor-attracted person”—or one of “cheese pizza,” which shares its initials with “child pornography,” according to Levine of UMass. Many declare themselves “lovers of the little things in life.”

Accounts identify themselves as “seller” or “s3ller,” and many state their preferred form of payment in their bios. These seller accounts often convey the child’s purported age by saying they are “on chapter 14,” or “age 31” followed by an emoji of a reverse arrow.

Some of the accounts bore indications of sex trafficking, said Levine of UMass, such as one displaying a teenager with the word WHORE scrawled across her face.

Some users claiming to sell self-produced sex content say they are “faceless”—offering images only from the neck down—because of past experiences in which customers have stalked or blackmailed them. Others take the risk, charging a premium for images and videos that could reveal their identity by showing their face.

Many of the accounts show users with cutting scars on the inside of their arms or thighs, and a number of them cite past sexual abuse.

Even glancing contact with an account in Instagram’s pedophile community can trigger the platform to begin recommending that users join it.


Sarah Adams, a Canadian mother of two, has built an Instagram audience combatting child exploitation. Photo: Alana Paterson for The Wall Street Journal
Sarah Adams, a Canadian mother of two, has built an Instagram audience discussing child exploitation and the dangers of oversharing on social media. Given her focus, Adams’ followers sometimes send her disturbing things they’ve encountered on the platform. In February, she said, one messaged her with an account branded with the term “incest toddlers.”

Adams said she accessed the account—a collection of pro-incest memes with more than 10,000 followers—for only the few seconds that it took to report to Instagram, then tried to forget about it. But over the course of the next few days, she began hearing from horrified parents. When they looked at Adams’ Instagram profile, she said they were being recommended “incest toddlers” as a result of Adams’ contact with the account.

A Meta spokesman said that “incest toddlers” violated its rules and that Instagram had erred on enforcement. The company said it plans to address such inappropriate recommendations as part of its new child-safety task force.

As with most social-media platforms, the core of Instagram’s recommendations are based on behavioral patterns, not by matching a user’s interests to specific subjects. This approach is efficient in increasing the relevance of recommendations, and it works most reliably for communities that share a narrow set of interests.

In theory, this same tightness of the pedophile community on Instagram should make it easier for Instagram to map out the network and take steps to combat it. Documents previously reviewed by the Journal show that Meta has done this sort of work in the past to suppress account networks it deems harmful, such as with accounts promoting election delegitimization in the U.S. after the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

Like other platforms, Instagram says it enlists its users to help detect accounts that are breaking rules. But those efforts haven’t always been effective.

Sometimes user reports of nudity involving a child went unanswered for months, according to a review of scores of reports filed over the last year by numerous child-safety advocates.

Earlier this year, an anti-pedophile activist discovered an Instagram account claiming to belong to a girl selling underage-sex content, including a post declaring, “This teen is ready for you pervs.” When the activist reported the account, Instagram responded with an automated message saying: “Because of the high volume of reports we receive, our team hasn’t been able to review this post.”

After the same activist reported another post, this one of a scantily clad young girl with a graphically sexual caption, Instagram responded, “Our review team has found that [the account’s] post does not go against our Community Guidelines.” The response suggested that the user hide the account to avoid seeing its content.

A Meta spokesman acknowledged that Meta had received the reports and failed to act on them. A review of how the company handled reports of child sex abuse found that a software glitch was preventing a substantial portion of user reports from being processed, and that the company’s moderation staff wasn’t properly enforcing the platform’s rules, the spokesman said. The company said it has since fixed the bug in its reporting system and is providing new training to its content moderators.

Even when Instagram does take down accounts selling underage-sex content, they don’t always stay gone.

Under the platform’s internal guidelines, penalties for violating its community standards are generally levied on accounts, not users or devices. Because Instagram allows users to run multiple linked accounts, the system makes it easy to evade meaningful enforcement. Users regularly list the handles of “backup” accounts in their bios, allowing them to simply resume posting to the same set of followers if Instagram removes them.


Sarah Adams’ followers sometimes send her disturbing things they’ve encountered on Instagram. Photo: Alana Paterson for The Wall Street Journal
In some instances, Instagram’s recommendations systems directly undercut efforts by its own safety staff. After the company decided to crack down on links from a specific encrypted file-transfer service notorious for transmitting child-sex content, Instagram blocked searches for its name.

Instagram’s AI-driven hashtag suggestions didn’t get the message. Despite refusing to show results for the service’s name, the platform’s autofill feature recommended that users try variations on the name with the words “boys” and “CP” added to the end.

The company tried to disable those hashtags amid its response to the queries by the Journal. But within a few days Instagram was again recommending new variations of the service’s name that also led to accounts selling purported underage-sex content.

Following the company’s initial sweep of accounts brought to its attention by Stanford and the Journal, UMass’s Levine checked in on some of the remaining underage seller accounts on Instagram. As before, viewing even one of them led Instagram to recommend new ones. Instagram’s suggestions were helping to rebuild the network that the platform’s own safety staff was in the middle of trying to dismantle.

A Meta spokesman said its systems to prevent such recommendations are currently being built. Levine called Instagram’s role in promoting pedophilic content and accounts unacceptable.

“Pull the emergency brake,” he said. “Are the economic benefits worth the harms to these children?”

Write to Jeff Horwitz at [email protected] and Katherine Blunt at [email protected]
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a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:28 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:09 pm Very important math lesson in HS, kids certainly disagree. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtWqWF6O ... I4NDBkZg==
Quoting “some guy on the internet “ as fact again, are we?

;)
:lol: Always go after the person delivering the content when things go sideways. ;)
Ya——so you’ll take my word for it when I tell you that was taken from a college seminar ?
Once I confirm it, yes.


That's a Fargin' Trick Question :lol:

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youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:29 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:28 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:09 pm Very important math lesson in HS, kids certainly disagree. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtWqWF6O ... I4NDBkZg==
Quoting “some guy on the internet “ as fact again, are we?

;)
:lol: Always go after the person delivering the content when things go sideways. ;)
Ya——so you’ll take my word for it when I tell you that was taken from a college seminar ?
Once I confirm it, yes.


That's a Fargin' Trick Question :lol:

Atta boy! Have a great week! ;)
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a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:29 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:28 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:09 pm Very important math lesson in HS, kids certainly disagree. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtWqWF6O ... I4NDBkZg==
Quoting “some guy on the internet “ as fact again, are we?

;)
:lol: Always go after the person delivering the content when things go sideways. ;)
Ya——so you’ll take my word for it when I tell you that was taken from a college seminar ?
Once I confirm it, yes.


That's a Fargin' Trick Question :lol:

Atta boy! Have a great week! ;)
So I’m reading my daughter some stories tonight of women from this book collection that you probably would dig for your own daughter (https://www.rebelgirls.com/products/3-book-box-set) and thinking about how if one of my kids were in a T that, boy it would be nice if they had more, ANY, stories for those children.

Even at their young ages I have a feeling mine are binary, cis and straight as can be though there could be the “heyI just discovered Natalie Merchant and the Indigo Girls and don’t feel like shaving my legs so I’ll try being a lesbian for a semester soph year” or my son joins a particularly abusive frat that still engages in the elephant circle. But…

I couldn’t imagine having a child and not having stories to share that made them feel something special or inspired because there were no stories of someone similar to share.

It’s really that f’ng simple.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:59 pm
So I’m reading my daughter some stories tonight of women from this book collection that you probably would dig for your own daughter (https://www.rebelgirls.com/products/3-book-box-set) and thinking about how if one of my kids were in a T that, boy it would be nice if they had more, ANY, stories for those children.
Been keeping up with rebel girls for years now....thanks for the head's up, though!
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:59 pm
I couldn’t imagine having a child and not having stories to share that made them feel something special or inspired because there were no stories of someone similar to share.

It’s really that f’ng simple.
This. This is why I believe all you need is an ounce of human kindness to understand why telling kids LGBTQ are just as equal as all the other minorities that have been stepped on for so many years.

Ever see these? Representation matters.......choked up watching how big of a deal these things are to children. Makes your heart soar. Right up there with soldiers surprising family members by coming home early......gets me every time.

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a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:17 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:59 pm
So I’m reading my daughter some stories tonight of women from this book collection that you probably would dig for your own daughter (https://www.rebelgirls.com/products/3-book-box-set) and thinking about how if one of my kids were in a T that, boy it would be nice if they had more, ANY, stories for those children.
Been keeping up with rebel girls for years now....thanks for the head's up, though!
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:59 pm
I couldn’t imagine having a child and not having stories to share that made them feel something special or inspired because there were no stories of someone similar to share.

It’s really that f’ng simple.
This. This is why I believe all you need is an ounce of human kindness to understand why telling kids LGBTQ are just as equal as all the other minorities that have been stepped on for so many years.

Ever see these? Representation matters.......choked up watching how big of a deal these things are to children. Makes your heart soar. Right up there with soldiers surprising family members by coming home early......gets me every time.

Not exactly total revelation but another example is Black Panther. Honestly, pretty mediocre movie despite Michael B and some other excellent actors and a Michael Bay style budget. But watching small black children dressed up as him in the theater was pretty outstanding.

Or when we shut down some streets in our hood for Halloween and kids now have representative hero’s or other figures instead of being a ghost, Snow White or whatever generic Karen/GI Joe they had to choose from previously.
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Still unclear if Dmac thinks myself, TLD or 1-2 others disagreed with him on his position, we didn’t. But red meat nonetheless for him to go “see, I was right” and miss the times people actually wrote words of agreement before pointing out other concerns in his approach related to his use of social media (and conflating this as social media ignoring ine is driven by an algorithm created but a corporation who wants to inflame in order to engender more traffic even if it means increases in pedophilia and nazi-esque behavior while the other, this subject site, is truly a platform created by a dude who doesn’t make money off this and isn’t altering the flow of communication from mass data)

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Transgender rights advocates stood outside of the Ohio Statehouse to oppose an amendment to a bill that would ban transgender women from participating in high school and college women sports. (Photo by Stephen Zenner/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images)
Americans are now less supportive of transgender athletes playing on the team of their choice than they were two years ago, a national survey found.

Driving the news: 69% of Americans said transgender athletes should only be allowed to compete on sports teams that conform with their birth gender, per Gallup’s annual Values and Beliefs poll conducted in May, compared to 62% in 2021.

Similarly, fewer people (26%) endorse transgender athletes being allowed to play on teams that match their current gender identity, down from 34%.

Photo: Gallup
The big picture: The debate regarding trans athletes' participation in sports is largely viewed around competitive fairness rather than transgender civil rights, per Gallup.

Most of the objections are centered on the belief by some that trans women retain an unfair advantage even after taking hormones to lower their testosterone, though the science on that is inconclusive, Axios' Ina Fried reports.
Yes, but: Sports represent just a fraction of the anti-trans legislation introduced so far this year.

There have already been 556 bills introduced across the country – more than in the last five years combined, per Bloomberg.
Meanwhile, the Department of Education proposed a change to Title IX rules in April that would, in certain instances, allow schools to bar trans athletes from participating on teams that align with their gender identity — but prohibit the issuance of a blanket ban.


More people now say they know someone who is transgender, according to the Gallup survey.

39% of Americans say someone they know personally has told them they are transgender – up from 31% in 2021.
But, but, but: Both Americans who know and do not know a transgender individual have become less supportive of allowing transgender athletes to play on the team of their choice, the poll found.


30% of those who know a transgender person favor allowing athletes to play on teams that match their current gender identity, down from 40% in 2021.
Among those who do not know a transgender person, support is now 23%, down from 31%.

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Methodology: Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted May 1-24, 2023, with a random sample of 1,011 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting
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kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:41 am I’m fine with the schools keeping out of anything to do with sexuality. Including all the things you mentioned you learned.
You're mistaken. No books that mention families? None of husbands and wives? Picture how many books that eliminates. And school dances go bye-bye, I assume?

And you also want to get rid of sex ed?

Help me understand why you'd rather avoid teaching entire swaths of Western Civilization, all to avoid telling students that yup, we have gay Americans, and they've been struggling for their rights since America was formed. What's the actual problem here?
Because I've seen it with 3 kids. My kid's elementary and middle schools mostly suck. And they go to the "better" public schools in the district.

Nothing in the humanities and social sciences is worth anything. Hell, our school system couldn't even get the topics right that are not subjective. My middle kid got pushed through MS math, when he wasn't even getting the answers right. Because the teacher was incompetent. Which leads back to the incompetent system who put a humanities teacher in the math department and set her up to fail. And the trash reading selections in history, science and lit. They are so bad and watered down that they get none of it right. "The history of recycling!" It's just time-killing garbage at this stage. It's not real education.

As for Sex Ed and Western Civ? All topics we cover at home when we, you know... parent and live as an engaged family. Fortunately my wife and I have backgrounds that allow us to supplement the learning. But I realize there are a ton of parents who aren't engaged parents.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:52 am Still unclear if Dmac thinks myself, TLD or 1-2 others disagreed with him on his position, we didn’t. But red meat nonetheless for him to go “see, I was right” and miss the times people actually wrote words of agreement before pointing out other concerns in his approach related to his use of social media (and conflating this as social media ignoring ine is driven by an algorithm created but a corporation who wants to inflame in order to engender more traffic even if it means increases in pedophilia and nazi-esque behavior while the other, this subject site, is truly a platform created by a dude who doesn’t make money off this and isn’t altering the flow of communication from mass data)
I don't know how you're unclear on this as all three of us have come on and said, yes, we are in agreement (re Thomson and the UK cyclist....I see now there's more controversy about another cyclist and a bunch of anglers quitting because a trans was allowed on a team because this sh*t keeps popping up on my feed and I see the headlines). I absolutely get that this is media driven and this is being "shoved down our throats" via those outlets. Awful lot in the news these days about rainbows, trans, and pride, it's pretty unavoidable regardless of one's interest of the subject.
Yup, trans should be as inclusive as everyone else, should be able to see like images, have establishments that cater to them, etc. I've clearly stated my only beef along these lines is 14 year old trans boys competing against the girls and there are a whole lot of girls and others who feel the same about that. Tommy can transition to Tammy but if that person thinks the day, insert your preferred pronoun here, comes out dressed like a girl with a little make up on, insert preferred pronoun again, isn't going to be noticed and hear a little something about it, that person is not living in reality. If that person thinks they're not going to hear anything about deciding to swim on the girl's swim team that day they need to do a little rethinking because that just aint gonna happen.
Start working on your serve, fellas, the competition at White Thorn will be upon us before you know it. You can find your level of competition there from just having a fun game of volleyball to D1 level competition that's pretty intense. When it's time for the girls v boys competition there, what side of the net does the trans go to at White Thorn where there's no swim suit, shorts, or skirts? Just aksin'.
https://whitethornlodge.org/superbowl/
Edit: Those polls (of a thousand or so) don't mean much of anything to me.
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DMac wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:49 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:52 am Still unclear if Dmac thinks myself, TLD or 1-2 others disagreed with him on his position, we didn’t. But red meat nonetheless for him to go “see, I was right” and miss the times people actually wrote words of agreement before pointing out other concerns in his approach related to his use of social media (and conflating this as social media ignoring ine is driven by an algorithm created but a corporation who wants to inflame in order to engender more traffic even if it means increases in pedophilia and nazi-esque behavior while the other, this subject site, is truly a platform created by a dude who doesn’t make money off this and isn’t altering the flow of communication from mass data)
I don't know how you're unclear on this as all three of us have come on and said, yes, we are in agreement (re Thomson and the UK cyclist....I see now there's more controversy about another cyclist and a bunch of anglers quitting because a trans was allowed on a team because this sh*t keeps popping up on my feed and I see the headlines). I absolutely get that this is media driven and this is being "shoved down our throats" via those outlets. Awful lot in the news these days about rainbows, trans, and pride, it's pretty unavoidable regardless of one's interest of the subject.
Yup, trans should be as inclusive as everyone else, should be able to see like images, have establishments that cater to them, etc. I've clearly stated my only beef along these lines is 14 year old trans boys competing against the girls and there are a whole lot of girls and others who feel the same about that. Tommy can transition to Tammy but if that person thinks the day, insert your preferred pronoun here, comes out dressed like a girl with a little make up on, insert preferred pronoun again, isn't going to be noticed and hear a little something about it, that person is not living in reality. If that person thinks they're not going to hear anything about deciding to swim on the girl's swim team that day they need to do a little rethinking because that just aint gonna happen.
Start working on your serve, fellas, the competition at White Thorn will be upon us before you know it. You can find your level of competition there from just having a fun game of volleyball to D1 level competition that's pretty intense. When it's time for the girls v boys competition there, what side of the net does the trans go to at White Thorn where there's no swim suit, shorts, or skirts? Just aksin'.
https://whitethornlodge.org/superbowl/
Edit: Those polls (of a thousand or so) don't mean much of anything to me.
Seemed to me like you continued to think any further discussion meant there was disagreement. Maybe not which I now clearly understand.

My point was always, what do we do with these people who want to compete but don’t fit either bucket. So sure don’t let the boy turned girl compete (and change in locker rooms I guess) but how do we include them then. That was where your comments stopped, at simply don’t let it happen. Ok fine, then what. If we reject one move and agree on inclusion then we need to solve this issue right? Not just stop at saying no. Become problem solvers because there’s still a problem.

And for tennis, I play mixed doubles some seasons and avoid slamming it when at the net on a weak lob or easy volley on a woman (unless she’s a UGA fan or similar archetype down here because they are dirty punch and run karens who act like pigs then claim victim hood so they need a shot to the t**ty). I would do the same for a trans woman.

But the whole diatribe after saying you want equality seems to be a “with all due respect” line of discourse
Harvard University, out
University of Utah, in

I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.

(Afan jealous he didn’t do this first)
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DMac wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:49 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:52 am Still unclear if Dmac thinks myself, TLD or 1-2 others disagreed with him on his position, we didn’t. But red meat nonetheless for him to go “see, I was right” and miss the times people actually wrote words of agreement before pointing out other concerns in his approach related to his use of social media (and conflating this as social media ignoring ine is driven by an algorithm created but a corporation who wants to inflame in order to engender more traffic even if it means increases in pedophilia and nazi-esque behavior while the other, this subject site, is truly a platform created by a dude who doesn’t make money off this and isn’t altering the flow of communication from mass data)
I don't know how you're unclear on this as all three of us have come on and said, yes, we are in agreement (re Thomson and the UK cyclist....I see now there's more controversy about another cyclist and a bunch of anglers quitting because a trans was allowed on a team because this sh*t keeps popping up on my feed and I see the headlines). I absolutely get that this is media driven and this is being "shoved down our throats" via those outlets. Awful lot in the news these days about rainbows, trans, and pride, it's pretty unavoidable regardless of one's interest of the subject.
Yup, trans should be as inclusive as everyone else, should be able to see like images, have establishments that cater to them, etc. I've clearly stated my only beef along these lines is 14 year old trans boys competing against the girls and there are a whole lot of girls and others who feel the same about that. Tommy can transition to Tammy but if that person thinks the day, insert your preferred pronoun here, comes out dressed like a girl with a little make up on, insert preferred pronoun again, isn't going to be noticed and hear a little something about it, that person is not living in reality. If that person thinks they're not going to hear anything about deciding to swim on the girl's swim team that day they need to do a little rethinking because that just aint gonna happen.
Start working on your serve, fellas, the competition at White Thorn will be upon us before you know it. You can find your level of competition there from just having a fun game of volleyball to D1 level competition that's pretty intense. When it's time for the girls v boys competition there, what side of the net does the trans go to at White Thorn where there's no swim suit, shorts, or skirts? Just aksin'.
https://whitethornlodge.org/superbowl/
Edit: Those polls (of a thousand or so) don't mean much of anything to me.
Why not when a dude comes dressed as a chick respond:

“Hey that’s quite a change. How did you arrive and that and how does it make you feel?” And when they respond “I finally feel comfortable as a human being” perhaps support or positive reinforcement of their finding some relief in their place on this planet?
Harvard University, out
University of Utah, in

I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.

(Afan jealous he didn’t do this first)
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jhu72 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:02 pm
Andersen wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:57 pm How many of us were taught about Bayard Rustin's important role in the Modern Civil Rights Movement?

(Just adding examples as I think of them).
... didn't learn about him in school. Learned about him during the civil rights movement in the late 60s.
I learned about Rustin when the Philadelphia suburb of West Chester opened their third high school in 2006 and named it after the West Chester native. The openly gay, black civil rights activist. Pretty remarkable for an overwhelmingly white school district.

Good luck to the Bayard Rustin Golden Knights is their Class AA state lacrosse semifinal game today.
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a fan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:17 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:59 pm
So I’m reading my daughter some stories tonight of women from this book collection that you probably would dig for your own daughter (https://www.rebelgirls.com/products/3-book-box-set) and thinking about how if one of my kids were in a T that, boy it would be nice if they had more, ANY, stories for those children.
Been keeping up with rebel girls for years now....thanks for the head's up, though!
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:59 pm
I couldn’t imagine having a child and not having stories to share that made them feel something special or inspired because there were no stories of someone similar to share.

It’s really that f’ng simple.
This. This is why I believe all you need is an ounce of human kindness to understand why telling kids LGBTQ are just as equal as all the other minorities that have been stepped on for so many years.

Ever see these? Representation matters.......choked up watching how big of a deal these things are to children. Makes your heart soar. Right up there with soldiers surprising family members by coming home early......gets me every time.

LBBTQ Representation does matter. But there is a difference between representation and indoctrination. Showing Timmy has 2 moms is fine in my opinion. Showing Timmy's 2 moms kissing is not. But the later is what we are occasionally getting.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/statu ... 97665?s=20

People should 100% be able to give their kids content that shows them representation.

But beyond the general, do it in your own household. And the incompetent government most certainly shouldn't be the ones delivering that message. Until I sign the sex-ed course waiver, keep it out of the classroom. Whatever the age.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:20 am

LBBTQ Representation does matter. But there is a difference between representation and indoctrination. Showing Timmy has 2 moms is fine in my opinion. Showing Timmy's 2 moms kissing is not. But the later is what we are occasionally getting.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/statu ... 97665?s=20

People should 100% be able to give their kids content that shows them representation.

But beyond the general, do it in your own household. And the incompetent government most certainly shouldn't be the ones delivering that message. Until I sign the sex-ed course waiver, keep it out of the classroom. Whatever the age.
So can we assume that you wouldn't want to see Timmy's hetero mom and dad kissing as well?
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