Keeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
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Never mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
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I understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
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Given your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
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I understand the mayor of Rochester and myself are on the same page along with a lot of other members of the community. In this instance it is about Rochester because the mayor just made the issue his business. I really don't give a fig about what the mayors of other cities do or don't do about the issue. The only issue that matters is finding out how these guns are getting into the hands of criminals and putting an end to it. I'm hoping the reason for the secrecy is the ATF is investigating and trying to build a case against the guilty parties.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:42 amGiven your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
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ATF isn’t a Rochester based organization.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:08 pmI understand the mayor of Rochester and myself are on the same page along with a lot of other members of the community. In this instance it is about Rochester because the mayor just made the issue his business. I really don't give a fig about what the mayors of other cities do or don't do about the issue. The only issue that matters is finding out how these guns are getting into the hands of criminals and putting an end to it. I'm hoping the reason for the secrecy is the ATF is investigating and trying to build a case against the guilty parties.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:42 amGiven your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
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Smuggling illegal weapons across state lines makes it the business of the ATF. You already knew that. Since your not hip to how the game is being played in NYS I'll be glad to get you up to speed. If you are caught in NYS with an illegal weapon whose serial # is traced back to another state the case is handed over to the feds to prosecute. So when you think your gonna get an appearance ticket you wind up with the Feds crawling up your ass while being happy as a clam to prosecute you on federal charges.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:20 pmATF isn’t a Rochester based organization.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:08 pmI understand the mayor of Rochester and myself are on the same page along with a lot of other members of the community. In this instance it is about Rochester because the mayor just made the issue his business. I really don't give a fig about what the mayors of other cities do or don't do about the issue. The only issue that matters is finding out how these guns are getting into the hands of criminals and putting an end to it. I'm hoping the reason for the secrecy is the ATF is investigating and trying to build a case against the guilty parties.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:42 amGiven your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
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I’m hip to the fact that you quickly forgot what you wrote in this same thread about the feds then used what your local Mayor wants while saying what other major city mayors thinks is irrelevant when we’re talking a federal decision….cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:35 amSmuggling illegal weapons across state lines makes it the business of the ATF. You already knew that. Since your not hip to how the game is being played in NYS I'll be glad to get you up to speed. If you are caught in NYS with an illegal weapon whose serial # is traced back to another state the case is handed over to the feds to prosecute. So when you think your gonna get an appearance ticket you wind up with the Feds crawling up your ass while being happy as a clam to prosecute you on federal charges.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:20 pmATF isn’t a Rochester based organization.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:08 pmI understand the mayor of Rochester and myself are on the same page along with a lot of other members of the community. In this instance it is about Rochester because the mayor just made the issue his business. I really don't give a fig about what the mayors of other cities do or don't do about the issue. The only issue that matters is finding out how these guns are getting into the hands of criminals and putting an end to it. I'm hoping the reason for the secrecy is the ATF is investigating and trying to build a case against the guilty parties.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:42 amGiven your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
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What exactly did I forget? The mayor of the city of Rochester expressed his own opinion. That topic has zippo to do with why the local police are handing over jurisdiction on illegal weapons possession cases to the ATF when the weapons illegally being possessed can be traced to out of state origins. The reason is even simple enough for you to understand. The charges have teeth and the power of the federal government behind them. Skip the appearance ticket and you get a reserved seat in a federal court where your case can be adjudicated. If you are convicted your young ass goes to federal prison. Still wanna keep that illegal handgun tucked into your pants? You better hope and pray it was stolen locally.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:31 amI’m hip to the fact that you quickly forgot what you wrote in this same thread about the feds then used what your local Mayor wants while saying what other major city mayors thinks is irrelevant when we’re talking a federal decision….cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:35 amSmuggling illegal weapons across state lines makes it the business of the ATF. You already knew that. Since your not hip to how the game is being played in NYS I'll be glad to get you up to speed. If you are caught in NYS with an illegal weapon whose serial # is traced back to another state the case is handed over to the feds to prosecute. So when you think your gonna get an appearance ticket you wind up with the Feds crawling up your ass while being happy as a clam to prosecute you on federal charges.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:20 pmATF isn’t a Rochester based organization.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:08 pmI understand the mayor of Rochester and myself are on the same page along with a lot of other members of the community. In this instance it is about Rochester because the mayor just made the issue his business. I really don't give a fig about what the mayors of other cities do or don't do about the issue. The only issue that matters is finding out how these guns are getting into the hands of criminals and putting an end to it. I'm hoping the reason for the secrecy is the ATF is investigating and trying to build a case against the guilty parties.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:42 amGiven your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
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Just forget it you’ve turned this into a moronic circle jerkcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:39 pmWhat exactly did I forget? The mayor of the city of Rochester expressed his own opinion. That topic has zippo to do with why the local police are handing over jurisdiction on illegal weapons possession cases to the ATF when the weapons illegally being possessed can be traced to out of state origins. The reason is even simple enough for you to understand. The charges have teeth and the power of the federal government behind them. Skip the appearance ticket and you get a reserved seat in a federal court where your case can be adjudicated. If you are convicted your young ass goes to federal prison. Still wanna keep that illegal handgun tucked into your pants? You better hope and pray it was stolen locally.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:31 amI’m hip to the fact that you quickly forgot what you wrote in this same thread about the feds then used what your local Mayor wants while saying what other major city mayors thinks is irrelevant when we’re talking a federal decision….cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:35 amSmuggling illegal weapons across state lines makes it the business of the ATF. You already knew that. Since your not hip to how the game is being played in NYS I'll be glad to get you up to speed. If you are caught in NYS with an illegal weapon whose serial # is traced back to another state the case is handed over to the feds to prosecute. So when you think your gonna get an appearance ticket you wind up with the Feds crawling up your ass while being happy as a clam to prosecute you on federal charges.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:20 pmATF isn’t a Rochester based organization.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:08 pmI understand the mayor of Rochester and myself are on the same page along with a lot of other members of the community. In this instance it is about Rochester because the mayor just made the issue his business. I really don't give a fig about what the mayors of other cities do or don't do about the issue. The only issue that matters is finding out how these guns are getting into the hands of criminals and putting an end to it. I'm hoping the reason for the secrecy is the ATF is investigating and trying to build a case against the guilty parties.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:42 amGiven your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety
So how is that? You don't think folks wondering around carrying illegal weapons isn't a problem? The only jerk in this equation is you. So do you have a solution or do you just want to ramble on aimlessly.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:57 amJust forget it you’ve turned this into a moronic circle jerkcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:39 pmWhat exactly did I forget? The mayor of the city of Rochester expressed his own opinion. That topic has zippo to do with why the local police are handing over jurisdiction on illegal weapons possession cases to the ATF when the weapons illegally being possessed can be traced to out of state origins. The reason is even simple enough for you to understand. The charges have teeth and the power of the federal government behind them. Skip the appearance ticket and you get a reserved seat in a federal court where your case can be adjudicated. If you are convicted your young ass goes to federal prison. Still wanna keep that illegal handgun tucked into your pants? You better hope and pray it was stolen locally.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:31 amI’m hip to the fact that you quickly forgot what you wrote in this same thread about the feds then used what your local Mayor wants while saying what other major city mayors thinks is irrelevant when we’re talking a federal decision….cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:35 amSmuggling illegal weapons across state lines makes it the business of the ATF. You already knew that. Since your not hip to how the game is being played in NYS I'll be glad to get you up to speed. If you are caught in NYS with an illegal weapon whose serial # is traced back to another state the case is handed over to the feds to prosecute. So when you think your gonna get an appearance ticket you wind up with the Feds crawling up your ass while being happy as a clam to prosecute you on federal charges.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:20 pmATF isn’t a Rochester based organization.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:08 pmI understand the mayor of Rochester and myself are on the same page along with a lot of other members of the community. In this instance it is about Rochester because the mayor just made the issue his business. I really don't give a fig about what the mayors of other cities do or don't do about the issue. The only issue that matters is finding out how these guns are getting into the hands of criminals and putting an end to it. I'm hoping the reason for the secrecy is the ATF is investigating and trying to build a case against the guilty parties.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:42 amGiven your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety
Jesus - you’re mixing and matching. Nobody gives a turd about the mayor of Rochesters opinion when it comes to the federal decision to make public information about stores selling guns to certain customer. Not to mention other FEDERAL civil rights considerations absent changes in FEDERAL law around that with respect to guns.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:29 amSo how is that? You don't think folks wondering around carrying illegal weapons isn't a problem? The only jerk in this equation is you. So do you have a solution or do you just want to ramble on aimlessly.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:57 amJust forget it you’ve turned this into a moronic circle jerkcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:39 pmWhat exactly did I forget? The mayor of the city of Rochester expressed his own opinion. That topic has zippo to do with why the local police are handing over jurisdiction on illegal weapons possession cases to the ATF when the weapons illegally being possessed can be traced to out of state origins. The reason is even simple enough for you to understand. The charges have teeth and the power of the federal government behind them. Skip the appearance ticket and you get a reserved seat in a federal court where your case can be adjudicated. If you are convicted your young ass goes to federal prison. Still wanna keep that illegal handgun tucked into your pants? You better hope and pray it was stolen locally.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:31 amI’m hip to the fact that you quickly forgot what you wrote in this same thread about the feds then used what your local Mayor wants while saying what other major city mayors thinks is irrelevant when we’re talking a federal decision….cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:35 amSmuggling illegal weapons across state lines makes it the business of the ATF. You already knew that. Since your not hip to how the game is being played in NYS I'll be glad to get you up to speed. If you are caught in NYS with an illegal weapon whose serial # is traced back to another state the case is handed over to the feds to prosecute. So when you think your gonna get an appearance ticket you wind up with the Feds crawling up your ass while being happy as a clam to prosecute you on federal charges.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:20 pmATF isn’t a Rochester based organization.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:08 pmI understand the mayor of Rochester and myself are on the same page along with a lot of other members of the community. In this instance it is about Rochester because the mayor just made the issue his business. I really don't give a fig about what the mayors of other cities do or don't do about the issue. The only issue that matters is finding out how these guns are getting into the hands of criminals and putting an end to it. I'm hoping the reason for the secrecy is the ATF is investigating and trying to build a case against the guilty parties.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:42 amGiven your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
ITS NOT THE SELLERS ITS ADVERTISING TO PROSPECTIVE CUSTOMERS WHO WANT TO DO ILLEGAL THINGS LIKE CREATING A MAP FOR THEM-THE SAME REASON THEY DONT MAKE PUBLIC PILL MILLS UNTIL AFTER THEY SHUT THEM DOWN.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
JUST BECAUSE YOIR LOCAL MAYOR THINKS SOMETHING DOESNT MEAN HES RIGHY AMD A NATIONAL AGENCY IN CHARGE HAS TO AGREE. THEY CLEARLY DONT AND THEY DONT OWE YOU THAT.
And being a complain claiming to stay on topic but not following your own words or comprehending. Keep at it but it’s stupid how little you comprehend words.
The petty idiotic gaslighting passive aggressive questioning that doesn’t follow the thread just makes you look isolated, insular, selfish and unaware of the broader world. Keep it up, at least it’s consistent.
Stop asking questions and don’t bother quoting me if you don’t like or want to hear an answer. That’s what your wife is for. My children act like this, don’t like an answer so they keep asking the question.
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety
You could have saved yourself a lot of writing by simply stating you have no solution to the issue. FTR when did I quote you about anything? You are confused, I asked you a simple question. Maybe I can forward your solution to Mayor Malik Evans. I'm certain he would greatly appreciate your input.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:48 amJesus - you’re mixing and matching. Nobody gives a turd about the mayor of Rochesters opinion when it comes to the federal decision to make public information about stores selling guns to certain customer. Not to mention other FEDERAL civil rights considerations absent changes in FEDERAL law around that with respect to guns.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:29 amSo how is that? You don't think folks wondering around carrying illegal weapons isn't a problem? The only jerk in this equation is you. So do you have a solution or do you just want to ramble on aimlessly.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:57 amJust forget it you’ve turned this into a moronic circle jerkcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:39 pmWhat exactly did I forget? The mayor of the city of Rochester expressed his own opinion. That topic has zippo to do with why the local police are handing over jurisdiction on illegal weapons possession cases to the ATF when the weapons illegally being possessed can be traced to out of state origins. The reason is even simple enough for you to understand. The charges have teeth and the power of the federal government behind them. Skip the appearance ticket and you get a reserved seat in a federal court where your case can be adjudicated. If you are convicted your young ass goes to federal prison. Still wanna keep that illegal handgun tucked into your pants? You better hope and pray it was stolen locally.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:31 amI’m hip to the fact that you quickly forgot what you wrote in this same thread about the feds then used what your local Mayor wants while saying what other major city mayors thinks is irrelevant when we’re talking a federal decision….cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:35 amSmuggling illegal weapons across state lines makes it the business of the ATF. You already knew that. Since your not hip to how the game is being played in NYS I'll be glad to get you up to speed. If you are caught in NYS with an illegal weapon whose serial # is traced back to another state the case is handed over to the feds to prosecute. So when you think your gonna get an appearance ticket you wind up with the Feds crawling up your ass while being happy as a clam to prosecute you on federal charges.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:20 pmATF isn’t a Rochester based organization.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:08 pmI understand the mayor of Rochester and myself are on the same page along with a lot of other members of the community. In this instance it is about Rochester because the mayor just made the issue his business. I really don't give a fig about what the mayors of other cities do or don't do about the issue. The only issue that matters is finding out how these guns are getting into the hands of criminals and putting an end to it. I'm hoping the reason for the secrecy is the ATF is investigating and trying to build a case against the guilty parties.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:42 amGiven your history of not understanding how illegal guns are come to be possessed I don’t think you do get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:00 amI understand your point, I just don't agree with it. FTR in the news report by news 10 Berley Brean he interviewed the Mayor of the city of Rochester Malik Evans who also wants this tracking data released along with a large # of community members active in getting illegal weapons off of city streets. It is fair for me to say that they don't get your point either.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:18 amNever mind you’re missing the point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:18 amKeeping it secret makes it look like your hiding something from the people. I don't think the people involved in the trade of weapons that likely will be used in criminal activity are looking for any publicity at all.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:12 amMaking it public is free advertising for folks wanting to do bad things with guns as to where to go. Same reason they don’t make pill mill doctors and walk in clinics public.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 am There was a news blurb on our local news a minutes ago that was very interesting. The final report was redacted for some reason but the results were right in line with what everybody knows... the vast majority of illegal weapons coming into NYS are originating in other states. The rest of the illegal weapons were stolen from people who owned them legally. There are around 75 thousand licensed firearms dealers in the country. There are about 7500 inspections a year at these stores. One proposed new federal regulations would make it mandatory that each dealer be inspected and their records verified once a year. Since nobody is really looking at these dealers very closely some of them know they can make big money selling weapons that eventually wind up on the black market. What I don't understand is why this tracking data is being redacted and not fully made available to the public. It is no surprise that straw man purchases need to be dealt with more harshly. If you buy a handgun for $500 dollars today and sell it the next day for $1000 that is easy money. When this weapon is used in a crime and is traced back to the original buyer that buyer needs to be held accountable.
ITS NOT THE SELLERS ITS ADVERTISING TO PROSPECTIVE CUSTOMERS WHO WANT TO DO ILLEGAL THINGS LIKE CREATING A MAP FOR THEM-THE SAME REASON THEY DONT MAKE PUBLIC PILL MILLS UNTIL AFTER THEY SHUT THEM DOWN.
I can counter your Malik Evans with mayors of NYC, DC and Atlanta and many others who do understand how guns come to be obtained NA manage much more complex situations.
But you can thinking Rochester represents everywhere. Not sure why Joe M doesn’t ask you the question he just asked passively aggressively and with intention to TLD however.
JUST BECAUSE YOIR LOCAL MAYOR THINKS SOMETHING DOESNT MEAN HES RIGHY AMD A NATIONAL AGENCY IN CHARGE HAS TO AGREE. THEY CLEARLY DONT AND THEY DONT OWE YOU THAT.
And being a complain claiming to stay on topic but not following your own words or comprehending. Keep at it but it’s stupid how little you comprehend words.
The petty idiotic gaslighting passive aggressive questioning that doesn’t follow the thread just makes you look isolated, insular, selfish and unaware of the broader world. Keep it up, at least it’s consistent.
Stop asking questions and don’t bother quoting me if you don’t like or want to hear an answer. That’s what your wife is for. My children act like this, don’t like an answer so they keep asking the question.
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety
Damned blue cities are screwing up our stats: https://www.instagram.com/p/CtNhKibR3Xd/
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety
Don't you just love really stupid use of "statistics" to supposedly make a partisan point...but it most definitely does not, making it all the more stupid...youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:29 pm Damned blue cities are screwing up our stats: https://www.instagram.com/p/CtNhKibR3Xd/
Come on, man...
Callen's an idiot, apparently/allegedly also a sexual abuser, but hey, that's a feature not a bug these days on the right.
Higher per capita gun violence in rural versus urban
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... -rcna81462
And most of the urban cities with highest per capita gun homicides are in red states...not all, but most.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder ... -s-cities/
But hey, let's cherry pick some of the larger blue cities in the US and pretend that if they weren't included we wouldn't also have the highest gun violence per capita in the world...per capita.
ugh so dumb.
But pretty on point fact checking in the comments section, so there's that...
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It’s really just simple addition and subtraction. I didn’t do the math….did you? If you subtract total gun deaths from the major cities in the US, does it then rank us much further down as they suggest? It’s a yes or no. That is all.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:59 pmDon't you just love really stupid use of "statistics" to supposedly make a partisan point...but it most definitely does not, making it all the more stupid...youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:29 pm Damned blue cities are screwing up our stats: https://www.instagram.com/p/CtNhKibR3Xd/
Come on, man...
Callen's an idiot, apparently/allegedly also a sexual abuser, but hey, that's a feature not a bug these days on the right.
Higher per capita gun violence in rural versus urban
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... -rcna81462
And most of the urban cities with highest per capita gun homicides are in red states...not all, but most.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder ... -s-cities/
But hey, let's cherry pick some of the larger blue cities in the US and pretend that if they weren't included we wouldn't also have the highest gun violence per capita in the world...per capita.
ugh so dumb.
But pretty on point fact checking in the comments section, so there's that...
Or was your goal to just name call someone, once again? You like calling other people names…..not sure where that comes from.
Let’s assume he’s correct, which he likely is close. Furthering the conversation, those places also have significant gun laws, which are clearly ignored. Then, if 2A is never going to budge…..we have to figure out how to lower those numbers in the places and people that are in the higher percentile to make a significant difference.
So let’s talk about it…..why are the numbers so high in these cities, then how do you curtail those numbers……while at the same time screaming to reduce police forces and defunding them.
Maybe if we name call more people, they’ll be less shootings?
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youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 5:16 pmIt’s really just simple addition and subtraction. I didn’t do the math….did you? If you subtract total gun deaths from the major cities in the US, does it then rank us much further down as they suggest? It’s a yes or no. That is all.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:59 pmDon't you just love really stupid use of "statistics" to supposedly make a partisan point...but it most definitely does not, making it all the more stupid...youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:29 pm Damned blue cities are screwing up our stats: https://www.instagram.com/p/CtNhKibR3Xd/
Come on, man...
Callen's an idiot, apparently/allegedly also a sexual abuser, but hey, that's a feature not a bug these days on the right.
Higher per capita gun violence in rural versus urban
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... -rcna81462
And most of the urban cities with highest per capita gun homicides are in red states...not all, but most.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder ... -s-cities/
But hey, let's cherry pick some of the larger blue cities in the US and pretend that if they weren't included we wouldn't also have the highest gun violence per capita in the world...per capita.
ugh so dumb.
But pretty on point fact checking in the comments section, so there's that...
Or was your goal to just name call someone, once again? You like calling other people names…..not sure where that comes from.
Let’s assume he’s correct, which he likely is close. Furthering the conversation, those places also have significant gun laws, which are clearly ignored. Then, if 2A is never going to budge…..we have to figure out how to lower those numbers in the places and people that are in the higher percentile to make a significant difference.
So let’s talk about it…..why are the numbers so high in these cities, then how do you curtail those numbers……while at the same time screaming to reduce police forces and defunding them.
Maybe if we name call more people, they’ll be less shootings?
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety
youth, you are smarter than that.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 5:16 pmIt’s really just simple addition and subtraction. I didn’t do the math….did you? If you subtract total gun deaths from the major cities in the US, does it then rank us much further down as they suggest? It’s a yes or no. That is all.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:59 pmDon't you just love really stupid use of "statistics" to supposedly make a partisan point...but it most definitely does not, making it all the more stupid...youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:29 pm Damned blue cities are screwing up our stats: https://www.instagram.com/p/CtNhKibR3Xd/
Come on, man...
Callen's an idiot, apparently/allegedly also a sexual abuser, but hey, that's a feature not a bug these days on the right.
Higher per capita gun violence in rural versus urban
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... -rcna81462
And most of the urban cities with highest per capita gun homicides are in red states...not all, but most.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder ... -s-cities/
But hey, let's cherry pick some of the larger blue cities in the US and pretend that if they weren't included we wouldn't also have the highest gun violence per capita in the world...per capita.
ugh so dumb.
But pretty on point fact checking in the comments section, so there's that...
Or was your goal to just name call someone, once again? You like calling other people names…..not sure where that comes from.
Let’s assume he’s correct, which he likely is close. Furthering the conversation, those places also have significant gun laws, which are clearly ignored. Then, if 2A is never going to budge…..we have to figure out how to lower those numbers in the places and people that are in the higher percentile to make a significant difference.
So let’s talk about it…..why are the numbers so high in these cities, then how do you curtail those numbers……while at the same time screaming to reduce police forces and defunding them.
Maybe if we name call more people, they’ll be less shootings?
Sure, if you subtract a big percentage of our population, the US would not rank as high. duh.
But subtract the counties with the highest per capita gun violence, which are rural, to add up to the same population subtraction and we'd rank way lower...uhh ohh, those are red counties.
Or, if you want to stay urban, subtract the worst urban centers in red states to add up to the same population as the worst in blue states, and also lower...uhh ohh, there's goes that argument.
Yes, it's a really stupid use of "math" or "statistics" to suggest as a valid conclusion that blue state gun laws are the problem in America. The opposite conclusion is a much more valid argument. Clearly. Math.
But here's the thing, is this guy really that stupid?
Or does he just want to be incendiary and gain right wing followers?
I say he's a grifter; 4 women say he's a sexual abuser.
Now if you want to talk about "defund the police", I quite agree, that ain't the answer (police reform being important, we need more good cops in the areas, not less). Our current President agrees with me. The mass of elected Dem officials agree with me. Heck, our Dem mayor in Baltimore agrees with me. You may recall that I'm a Republican? sure old school, but nonetheless...
But as long as you want to talk about that different subject, how do you feel about these MAGA Republicans in Congress, "screaming to defund" law enforcement, the FBI and DOJ? Who cares about drug and human traffickers, illegal gun traffickers, terrorists, etc? Seriously, does anyone really believe that the FBI is a left wing organization? Do you?
Back to gun laws. Yup, we have a horrible gun culture in America, we're awash in guns, and way too many idiots have no respect for life, not their own, not the lives of children and other innocent bystanders. Everything needs to be solved by guns and more guns..wait, really?
The issue for the states which have tough gun laws is that their neighbors do not, so it's immensely profitable and darn easy to simply smuggle them across state lines to those happy to buy them.
I'm a gun owner, and like most gun owners, I want much more restriction on who can acquire weapons and for what purpose, as well as the type of weapons...I've detailed my views and policy prescriptions previously, pretty darn thoroughly. But it needs to be national policy, with ample funding to enforce.
Bottomline, we need to change the culture to one in which we All understand that owning a weapon is a privilege and a responsibility. They are immensely dangerous and need to be handled with great respect and care. And no one unwilling to do so should have one, period.
Re: Sensible Gun Safety
Assignment for you, MDlax, must watch ten minutes of this.Bottomline, we need to change the culture to one in which we All understand that owning a weapon is a privilege and a responsibility. They are immensely dangerous and need to be handled with great respect and care. And no one unwilling to do so should have one, period.
How many of Dark Shark and Butter Bean's friends could not
buy some of the many guns available for purchase?
We in trouble, brotha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikReKia5eC4