The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

[Typical Lax Dad]

Couldn’t find any bud light

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... anti-lgbtq

These people deserve every bit of it. They should know their place… they can live amongst their own kind.

[old salt]

For anyone interested:

https://www.searchenginejournal.com/ran ... h-history/

Yeah….it works like that.

I believe it. But when I search "CNN muslim parents glendale" nothing comes up. I saw it on twitter, but I wanted to send an article here. I actually add "CNN" into my google searches frequently to read that side.

The events in Glendale either happened as reported or not.
If they did happen, that tells you which media are ignoring or trying to bury the story.
Dismissing the source that reported it, if accurate, is a way to further bury the story.
LA Times, CBS News, Newsweek & ABC (local) all reported the story.

You're setting up a strawman where no matter what these Americans do, it's "wrong."

If everyone picks up the story, folks complain that LBGTQ is everywhere, and being shoved down their throats.

If not all outlets pick it up, they're "burying the story".

Maybe this stuff isn't their fault at all, and they just want the same Civil Rights the rest of us enjoy?

How do they get there if what they're doing is "wrong"?

No. I'm pointing out that it's a dishonest diversion to dismiss the story because it was reported in the Daily Signal,
while it was also reported in more established mainstream news sources.

We're talking past each other. I didn't DISMISS the story. it's a perfectly valid story to run.

We're going round and round, and we need to stop. You're not listening here, I"m sorry to say, so let's stop.

I did not say you did. Please note. I was not responding to you, nor did I quote you.
I was in an exchange with TLD & ohmilax34 about the source of the story & it's legitimacy.

[a fan]

For anyone interested:

https://www.searchenginejournal.com/ran ... h-history/

Yeah….it works like that.

I believe it. But when I search "CNN muslim parents glendale" nothing comes up. I saw it on twitter, but I wanted to send an article here. I actually add "CNN" into my google searches frequently to read that side.

The events in Glendale either happened as reported or not.
If they did happen, that tells you which media are ignoring or trying to bury the story.
Dismissing the source that reported it, if accurate, is a way to further bury the story.
LA Times, CBS News, Newsweek & ABC (local) all reported the story.

You're setting up a strawman where no matter what these Americans do, it's "wrong."

If everyone picks up the story, folks complain that LBGTQ is everywhere, and being shoved down their throats.

If not all outlets pick it up, they're "burying the story".

Maybe this stuff isn't their fault at all, and they just want the same Civil Rights the rest of us enjoy?

How do they get there if what they're doing is "wrong"?

No. I'm pointing out that it's a dishonest diversion to dismiss the story because it was reported in the Daily Signal,
while it was also reported in more established mainstream news sources.

We're talking past each other. I didn't DISMISS the story. it's a perfectly valid story to run.

We're going round and round, and we need to stop. You're not listening here, I"m sorry to say, so let's stop.

I did not say you did. Please note. I was not responding to you, nor did I quote you.
I was in an exchange with TLD & ohmilax34 about the source of the story & it's legitimacy.

Yet another misunderstanding. Apologies.

[Farfromgeneva]

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/06/06/ ... ctivities/
Public school wants to have pride day. Some parents want to protest. Antifa decides to show up to counter-protest/intimidate. It seems LGBTQ is being pushed by something other than right wing media and right wing media is covering it.

You're citing the Daily Signal, my man. You're citing a conservative site, and then telling me that it's "not right wing media" that's pushing this stuff.

Is everyone's plan to just keep making my points for me...?

There was a college student who was given a failing grade for using the term "biological women" in a paper. I didn't read the paper. Maybe she deserved an F for the content. If the story is correct, that's someone pushing their ideology and the media pushing the story. Are you blaming the media for this?

No! Guys, come on. Read what I'm telling you.

All I'm saying is: Right Wing media is taking small stories and AMPLIFYING THEM. That's it. That's what I"m communicating to you. I'm not saying that LGBTQ folks aren't fighting for their rights.

I'm simply responding to people claiming that they can't get away from stories about Trans or LGBTQ.....and helping them understand why that's happening. That DailySignal that you JUST cited? They're going to keep running EVERY SINGLE LGBTQ story that they can find, no matter how small....because they're getting paid for clicks.

Want this story to disappear overnight? Stop clicking. This is about 1%ers making mountains out of molehills.

Folks are fighting for their rights, yep. That's happening. I'm not denying that in the least. And I'm also not saying that I agree with everything and anything that's happening in these fights for Civil Rights. My points are about media putting a megaphone to these issues, and they're doing it because it makes them money.

I said upstream, if you kept clicking on stories that claim "water is wet".....you'd be seeing stories on "the wetness of water" 24/7. Folks need to recognize that this is a self fulfilling prophecy. YOU are telling these sites: we want MORE of this LGBTQ stuff.

Understood. What rights are we talking about here? My post right before this one asks the same question.

Muslim parents don't want their kids exposed/indoctrinated (use your preferred term) and lgbtq counter protest because the right they're fighting for is___________. I need help with this.

Rights separating church and state?

[tech37]

Now to be much more germane/accurate, go ahead and compare the trans movement to the decades-established gay movement. But just a couple very important differences, the gay revolution/movement did not involve children.

Sorry man, you're simply wrong. Full stop.
Ha! Okay, 1977 Florida...
I could say I forgot but frankly, I doubt I even knew this was happening, nor cared at that point in my life.

I told you all earlier, we've heard this song before, and it's why I posted the Simpson's reference of the well-worn BS of "think of the children". The played the same "think about the children" card with Black Americans, too......keep 'em out of our schools and "away from our children", remember?
You completely misunderstood my earlier posts and are making my point that the trans movement is just an extension of the decades-established gay movement. Obviously Anita Bryant was way out-of-bounds and proves my point that there will always be haters (or ignorance), then and now. You do understand my point now re trans and gay movement similarities?

Obviously their are similar issues re children now, but again, let's be accurate. Kids (minors) in 1977 certainly weren't supported/encouraged in identifying as other genders to the point of hormone therapy execution and/or surgery. That activism and those measures are a HUGE difference and something you rightly disagreed with in another post.

BTW, I'm glad we got away from your civil rights movement comparison...that's actually progress.

So here ya go: same fight, 50 years ago, Florida Schools, and good ol' Anita Bryant and her "save our children" campaign. She literally incorporated the fight against LGBTQ and children, for heaven's sake......

Save Our Children, Inc. was an American political coalition formed in 1977 in Miami, Florida, to overturn a recently legislated county ordinance that banned discrimination in areas of housing, employment, and public accommodation based on sexual orientation. The coalition was publicly headed by celebrity singer Anita Bryant, who claimed the ordinance discriminated against her right to teach her children biblical morality because the ordinance specifically required parochial Christian schools, like the one her children attended, to hire openly homosexual teachers.[1] It was a well-organized campaign that initiated a bitter political fight between gay activists and Christian fundamentalists. When the repeal of the ordinance went to a vote, it attracted the largest response of any special election in Dade County's history, passing by 70%.[note 1] In response to this vote, a group of gay and lesbian community members formed Pride South Florida, now known as Pride Fort Lauderdale, an organization whose mission was to fight for the rights of the gay and lesbian community in South Florida.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_Our_ ... 20teachers.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/06/06/ ... ctivities/
Public school wants to have pride day. Some parents want to protest. Antifa decides to show up to counter-protest/intimidate. It seems LGBTQ is being pushed by something other than right wing media and right wing media is covering it.

You're citing the Daily Signal, my man. You're citing a conservative site, and then telling me that it's "not right wing media" that's pushing this stuff.

Is everyone's plan to just keep making my points for me...?

There was a college student who was given a failing grade for using the term "biological women" in a paper. I didn't read the paper. Maybe she deserved an F for the content. If the story is correct, that's someone pushing their ideology and the media pushing the story. Are you blaming the media for this?

No! Guys, come on. Read what I'm telling you.

All I'm saying is: Right Wing media is taking small stories and AMPLIFYING THEM. That's it. That's what I"m communicating to you. I'm not saying that LGBTQ folks aren't fighting for their rights.

I'm simply responding to people claiming that they can't get away from stories about Trans or LGBTQ.....and helping them understand why that's happening. That DailySignal that you JUST cited? They're going to keep running EVERY SINGLE LGBTQ story that they can find, no matter how small....because they're getting paid for clicks.

Want this story to disappear overnight? Stop clicking. This is about 1%ers making mountains out of molehills.

Folks are fighting for their rights, yep. That's happening. I'm not denying that in the least. And I'm also not saying that I agree with everything and anything that's happening in these fights for Civil Rights. My points are about media putting a megaphone to these issues, and they're doing it because it makes them money.

I said upstream, if you kept clicking on stories that claim "water is wet".....you'd be seeing stories on "the wetness of water" 24/7. Folks need to recognize that this is a self fulfilling prophecy. YOU are telling these sites: we want MORE of this LGBTQ stuff.

Understood. What rights are we talking about here? My post right before this one asks the same question.

Muslim parents don't want their kids exposed/indoctrinated (use your preferred term) and lgbtq counter protest because the right they're fighting for is___________. I need help with this.

Rights separating church and state?

Life, liberty and happiness?

[Farfromgeneva]

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/06/06/ ... ctivities/
Public school wants to have pride day. Some parents want to protest. Antifa decides to show up to counter-protest/intimidate. It seems LGBTQ is being pushed by something other than right wing media and right wing media is covering it.

You're citing the Daily Signal, my man. You're citing a conservative site, and then telling me that it's "not right wing media" that's pushing this stuff.

Is everyone's plan to just keep making my points for me...?

There was a college student who was given a failing grade for using the term "biological women" in a paper. I didn't read the paper. Maybe she deserved an F for the content. If the story is correct, that's someone pushing their ideology and the media pushing the story. Are you blaming the media for this?

No! Guys, come on. Read what I'm telling you.

All I'm saying is: Right Wing media is taking small stories and AMPLIFYING THEM. That's it. That's what I"m communicating to you. I'm not saying that LGBTQ folks aren't fighting for their rights.

I'm simply responding to people claiming that they can't get away from stories about Trans or LGBTQ.....and helping them understand why that's happening. That DailySignal that you JUST cited? They're going to keep running EVERY SINGLE LGBTQ story that they can find, no matter how small....because they're getting paid for clicks.

Want this story to disappear overnight? Stop clicking. This is about 1%ers making mountains out of molehills.

Folks are fighting for their rights, yep. That's happening. I'm not denying that in the least. And I'm also not saying that I agree with everything and anything that's happening in these fights for Civil Rights. My points are about media putting a megaphone to these issues, and they're doing it because it makes them money.

I said upstream, if you kept clicking on stories that claim "water is wet".....you'd be seeing stories on "the wetness of water" 24/7. Folks need to recognize that this is a self fulfilling prophecy. YOU are telling these sites: we want MORE of this LGBTQ stuff.

Understood. What rights are we talking about here? My post right before this one asks the same question.

Muslim parents don't want their kids exposed/indoctrinated (use your preferred term) and lgbtq counter protest because the right they're fighting for is___________. I need help with this.

Rights separating church and state?

Life, liberty and happiness?

That's better but I didn't want the rebuttal of what about the muslim's feelings on the letters? It's the intersection of liberty and rights where I was ensuring I carve out right of religious to stomp on the liberties and rights of others.

[a fan]

Ha! Okay, 1977 Florida...
I could say I forgot but frankly, I doubt I even knew this was happening, nor cared at that point in my life.

Yet you speak with complete confidence that I have no idea what I'm talking about....and you do.

You completely misunderstood my earlier posts and are making my point that the trans movement is just an extension of the decades-established gay movement.

That's your opinion.

My cousin would disagree with your assessment about the "trans movement", btw.

His view, and mine, is that this is all fruit from the same tree, the Constitution. Everyone wants the same rights. That's it. That's as complicated as it gets. You want to say Trans or Gay, or Muslims or whomever....... looking for the same rights everyone other American enjoys have nothing to do with the Civil Rights movement of the 50's and 60's where Black Americans were looking for these very same rights enumerated in the Constitution is just.....foreign to me, and I'll leave it at that.

Agree to disagree, I guess, and move on. I have no interest in going round and round, either....enjoy your week, and enjoyed the back and forth.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/06/06/ ... ctivities/
Public school wants to have pride day. Some parents want to protest. Antifa decides to show up to counter-protest/intimidate. It seems LGBTQ is being pushed by something other than right wing media and right wing media is covering it.

You're citing the Daily Signal, my man. You're citing a conservative site, and then telling me that it's "not right wing media" that's pushing this stuff.

Is everyone's plan to just keep making my points for me...?

There was a college student who was given a failing grade for using the term "biological women" in a paper. I didn't read the paper. Maybe she deserved an F for the content. If the story is correct, that's someone pushing their ideology and the media pushing the story. Are you blaming the media for this?

No! Guys, come on. Read what I'm telling you.

All I'm saying is: Right Wing media is taking small stories and AMPLIFYING THEM. That's it. That's what I"m communicating to you. I'm not saying that LGBTQ folks aren't fighting for their rights.

I'm simply responding to people claiming that they can't get away from stories about Trans or LGBTQ.....and helping them understand why that's happening. That DailySignal that you JUST cited? They're going to keep running EVERY SINGLE LGBTQ story that they can find, no matter how small....because they're getting paid for clicks.

Want this story to disappear overnight? Stop clicking. This is about 1%ers making mountains out of molehills.

Folks are fighting for their rights, yep. That's happening. I'm not denying that in the least. And I'm also not saying that I agree with everything and anything that's happening in these fights for Civil Rights. My points are about media putting a megaphone to these issues, and they're doing it because it makes them money.

I said upstream, if you kept clicking on stories that claim "water is wet".....you'd be seeing stories on "the wetness of water" 24/7. Folks need to recognize that this is a self fulfilling prophecy. YOU are telling these sites: we want MORE of this LGBTQ stuff.

Understood. What rights are we talking about here? My post right before this one asks the same question.

Muslim parents don't want their kids exposed/indoctrinated (use your preferred term) and lgbtq counter protest because the right they're fighting for is___________. I need help with this.

Rights separating church and state?

Life, liberty and happiness?

That's better but I didn't want the rebuttal of what about the muslim's feelings on the letters? It's the intersection of liberty and rights where I was ensuring I carve out right of religious to stomp on the liberties and rights of others.

Religious objectors (to whatever-homosexuality, evolution, gender equality, miscegenation, birth control, etc) may be reminded that their own rights of 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' depend upon the protection of everyone's rights for such.

We are to be free to practice and espouse whatever religion we wish but that means everyone has this right, thus, the very important Constitutional protection that the state cannot prefer or impose the religious beliefs of one over all.

Seems obvious, but some 'religious' folks claim otherwise on the regular.

I think this is more about power than morality.
For those disposed to think in familiar theological or quasi-theological terms, it's more Satan than Jesus, dark side over the light, etc, etc calling to mankind's weaknesses. Power is tempting, and justification of "god" comes all too easy...

That said, many 'believe' strongly...but using the power of the state is the line not to be crossed if one's own rights are to be protected over the long term.

Pretty genius stuff. We need to value it.

[jhu72]

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/06/06/ ... ctivities/
Public school wants to have pride day. Some parents want to protest. Antifa decides to show up to counter-protest/intimidate. It seems LGBTQ is being pushed by something other than right wing media and right wing media is covering it.

You're citing the Daily Signal, my man. You're citing a conservative site, and then telling me that it's "not right wing media" that's pushing this stuff.

Is everyone's plan to just keep making my points for me...?

There was a college student who was given a failing grade for using the term "biological women" in a paper. I didn't read the paper. Maybe she deserved an F for the content. If the story is correct, that's someone pushing their ideology and the media pushing the story. Are you blaming the media for this?

No! Guys, come on. Read what I'm telling you.

All I'm saying is: Right Wing media is taking small stories and AMPLIFYING THEM. That's it. That's what I"m communicating to you. I'm not saying that LGBTQ folks aren't fighting for their rights.

I'm simply responding to people claiming that they can't get away from stories about Trans or LGBTQ.....and helping them understand why that's happening. That DailySignal that you JUST cited? They're going to keep running EVERY SINGLE LGBTQ story that they can find, no matter how small....because they're getting paid for clicks.

Want this story to disappear overnight? Stop clicking. This is about 1%ers making mountains out of molehills.

Folks are fighting for their rights, yep. That's happening. I'm not denying that in the least. And I'm also not saying that I agree with everything and anything that's happening in these fights for Civil Rights. My points are about media putting a megaphone to these issues, and they're doing it because it makes them money.

I said upstream, if you kept clicking on stories that claim "water is wet".....you'd be seeing stories on "the wetness of water" 24/7. Folks need to recognize that this is a self fulfilling prophecy. YOU are telling these sites: we want MORE of this LGBTQ stuff.

Understood. What rights are we talking about here? My post right before this one asks the same question.

Muslim parents don't want their kids exposed/indoctrinated (use your preferred term) and lgbtq counter protest because the right they're fighting for is___________. I need help with this.

Rights separating church and state?

Life, liberty and happiness?

That's better but I didn't want the rebuttal of what about the muslim's feelings on the letters? It's the intersection of liberty and rights where I was ensuring I carve out right of religious to stomp on the liberties and rights of others.

Religious objectors (to whatever-homosexuality, evolution, gender equality, miscegenation, birth control, etc) may be reminded that their own rights of 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' depend upon the protection of everyone's rights for such.

We are to be free to practice and espouse whatever religion we wish but that means everyone has this right, thus, the very important Constitutional protection that the state cannot prefer or impose the religious beliefs of one over all.

Seems obvious, but some 'religious' folks claim otherwise on the regular.

I think this is more about power than morality.
For those disposed to think in familiar theological or quasi-theological terms, it's more Satan than Jesus, dark side over the light, etc, etc calling to mankind's weaknesses. Power is tempting, and justification of "god" comes all too easy...

That said, many 'believe' strongly...but using the power of the state is the line not to be crossed if one's own rights are to be protected over the long term.

Pretty genius stuff. We need to value it.

+1

[kramerica.inc]

Ha! Okay, 1977 Florida...
I could say I forgot but frankly, I doubt I even knew this was happening, nor cared at that point in my life.

Yet you speak with complete confidence that I have no idea what I'm talking about....and you do.

You completely misunderstood my earlier posts and are making my point that the trans movement is just an extension of the decades-established gay movement.

That's your opinion.

My cousin would disagree with your assessment about the "trans movement", btw.

His view, and mine, is that this is all fruit from the same tree, the Constitution. Everyone wants the same rights. That's it. That's as complicated as it gets. You want to say Trans or Gay, or Muslims or whomever....... looking for the same rights everyone other American enjoys have nothing to do with the Civil Rights movement of the 50's and 60's where Black Americans were looking for these very same rights enumerated in the Constitution is just.....foreign to me, and I'll leave it at that.

Agree to disagree, I guess, and move on. I have no interest in going round and round, either....enjoy your week, and enjoyed the back and forth.

May I ask- what is the "Trans Movement?"
What is this demographic looking for and wanting? What rights are being disallowed?
I'm not following this as a marriage or voting rights movement. What is it all about?

[DMac]

Take a break with some thread appropriate entertainment, fellas.
Sit back and enjoy...just the best!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_JhJsGV9jA

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ha! Okay, 1977 Florida...
I could say I forgot but frankly, I doubt I even knew this was happening, nor cared at that point in my life.

Yet you speak with complete confidence that I have no idea what I'm talking about....and you do.

You completely misunderstood my earlier posts and are making my point that the trans movement is just an extension of the decades-established gay movement.

That's your opinion.

My cousin would disagree with your assessment about the "trans movement", btw.

His view, and mine, is that this is all fruit from the same tree, the Constitution. Everyone wants the same rights. That's it. That's as complicated as it gets. You want to say Trans or Gay, or Muslims or whomever....... looking for the same rights everyone other American enjoys have nothing to do with the Civil Rights movement of the 50's and 60's where Black Americans were looking for these very same rights enumerated in the Constitution is just.....foreign to me, and I'll leave it at that.

Agree to disagree, I guess, and move on. I have no interest in going round and round, either....enjoy your week, and enjoyed the back and forth.

May I ask- what is the "Trans Movement?"
What is this demographic looking for and wanting? What rights are being disallowed?
I'm not following this as a marriage or voting rights movement. What is it all about?

“The transgender rights movement is a movement to promote the legal status of transgender people and to eliminate discrimination and violence against transgender people regarding housing, employment, public accommodations, education, and health care. A major goal of transgender activism is to allow changes to identification documents to conform with a person's current gender identity without the need for gender-affirming surgery or any medical requirements, which is known as gender self-identification.[1][2][3] It is part of the broader LGBT rights movements.”

[MDlaxfan76]

Ha! Okay, 1977 Florida...
I could say I forgot but frankly, I doubt I even knew this was happening, nor cared at that point in my life.

Yet you speak with complete confidence that I have no idea what I'm talking about....and you do.

You completely misunderstood my earlier posts and are making my point that the trans movement is just an extension of the decades-established gay movement.

That's your opinion.

My cousin would disagree with your assessment about the "trans movement", btw.

His view, and mine, is that this is all fruit from the same tree, the Constitution. Everyone wants the same rights. That's it. That's as complicated as it gets. You want to say Trans or Gay, or Muslims or whomever....... looking for the same rights everyone other American enjoys have nothing to do with the Civil Rights movement of the 50's and 60's where Black Americans were looking for these very same rights enumerated in the Constitution is just.....foreign to me, and I'll leave it at that.

Agree to disagree, I guess, and move on. I have no interest in going round and round, either....enjoy your week, and enjoyed the back and forth.

May I ask- what is the "Trans Movement?"
What is this demographic looking for and wanting? What rights are being disallowed?
I'm not following this as a marriage or voting rights movement. What is it all about?

“The transgender rights movement is a movement to promote the legal status of transgender people and to eliminate discrimination and violence against transgender people regarding housing, employment, public accommodations, education, and health care. A major goal of transgender activism is to allow changes to identification documents to conform with a person's current gender identity without the need for gender-affirming surgery or any medical requirements, which is known as gender self-identification.[1][2][3] It is part of the broader LGBT rights movements.”

It's interesting, and likely a bit revealing, that when hard-right wing media talks about this they use "trans movement" rather than "trans rights movement". And folks who consume that media adopt that parlance.

In that worldview, the "movement" is a concerted effort to convert as many people (children especially) as possible to a gender queer status for the activists' (groomers) pleasure. It's not about "rights", it's about abuse. Crazy, but that's the conspiracy theory...and, of course, the Dems and "globalists" are behind this "agenda" and "movement"...the right wing media and politicians and preachers in the pulpit all profit from firing people up to resist the "trans movement".

So, they claim they need to "protect" females from males...seems reasonable, but this means (public accomodations) denying a trans female from using the bathrooms designed for females and forcing them instead to use bathrooms in which they may be vulnerable to bullying and violence with males...in much of Europe this is solved very differently through some basic engineering, with all bathrooms being gender neutral, with private stalls only. Use the first open stall...everyone has privacy and less stalls are needed overall...

That's the sort of thing the right wing activists like to use as a legislative stalking horse...housing and employment discrimination is just assumed to be ok, and not needing discussion, when you can deny someone access to the bathroom or the playing field...

[a fan]

May I ask- what is the "Trans Movement?"
What is this demographic looking for and wanting? What rights are being disallowed?
I'm not following this as a marriage or voting rights movement. What is it all about?

Here's a conversation I just had with Ohmilax. This is the State of Florida's discriminatory laws surrounding education and LGBTQ....

States are actively REMOVING their rights, Kram. That's why you're hearing the noise from the left. States all over the country are moving to basically make it so that K-12 pretends like there's no such thing as Gay, let alone Trans, and attempting to punish teachers who dare to mention it. They're not doing a very good job at it, as the wording of the laws are a complete mess....which is increasing teacher vacancies in places like Florida at light speed because they don't really know what they can or can't do without breaking the law.

It's a mess.

Understood. What rights are we talking about here? My post right before this one asks the same question.

Muslim parents don't want their kids exposed/indoctrinated (use your preferred term) and lgbtq counter protest because the right they're fighting for is___________. I need help with this.

No problem! I think a lot of the concerns are coming from folks who don't have kids, and so they don't have the slightest idea what's mandated instruction in schools in 2023. I have an eight year old, fwiw.

The Mandated Curriculum we discussed before was Florida's.....

Here's part (part...they have more sections that are far more detailed) of the 2022 Mandatory teachings for FLA public schools. Take a look around. You'll find they MANDATE teachings on anti-semitism, racism, sexism, discrimination of all kinds, the power of meritocracy. There's a week for the Holocaust. Big section on African American experience. Section on women's experience. Section on Hispanic experience.

Andd sex ed, community studies...including mandatory discussions on the family unit. Mandatory instruction on the evils of discrimination. And on and on.

....so looking at all this, and all the things that every Florida school MUST teach, do you think it's reasonable to completely exclude any and all mention whatsoever of LGBTQ? Because that's what's being attempted in many, many States.

They're literally saying: not only do we not acknowledge your existence, we're going to complete ignore, and not discuss discrimination of LGBTQ, while we MANDATE discussions of literally every other form of discrimination in America, and every other form of the American family. How do you discuss family without discussing sexuality? Impossible. You can't....but they're trying.

Does this help?

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... 03.42.html

Does Ohmilax or anyone else have a comment here? It's clear as day that LGBTQ folks don't have the same rights given to Hispanics, Black Americans, Women, etc. in Florida schools, where DeSantis and Co. are singling them out, and teaching children about discrimination of everyone EXCEPT LGBTQ.

They don't have the same rights. Full stop. You can teach about this history of discrimination of women or black Americans....but you are FORBIDDEN from teaching about LGBTQ discrimination? Not only is that absurd, it's incredibly ironic.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ha! Okay, 1977 Florida...
I could say I forgot but frankly, I doubt I even knew this was happening, nor cared at that point in my life.

Yet you speak with complete confidence that I have no idea what I'm talking about....and you do.

You completely misunderstood my earlier posts and are making my point that the trans movement is just an extension of the decades-established gay movement.

That's your opinion.

My cousin would disagree with your assessment about the "trans movement", btw.

His view, and mine, is that this is all fruit from the same tree, the Constitution. Everyone wants the same rights. That's it. That's as complicated as it gets. You want to say Trans or Gay, or Muslims or whomever....... looking for the same rights everyone other American enjoys have nothing to do with the Civil Rights movement of the 50's and 60's where Black Americans were looking for these very same rights enumerated in the Constitution is just.....foreign to me, and I'll leave it at that.

Agree to disagree, I guess, and move on. I have no interest in going round and round, either....enjoy your week, and enjoyed the back and forth.

May I ask- what is the "Trans Movement?"
What is this demographic looking for and wanting? What rights are being disallowed?
I'm not following this as a marriage or voting rights movement. What is it all about?

“The transgender rights movement is a movement to promote the legal status of transgender people and to eliminate discrimination and violence against transgender people regarding housing, employment, public accommodations, education, and health care. A major goal of transgender activism is to allow changes to identification documents to conform with a person's current gender identity without the need for gender-affirming surgery or any medical requirements, which is known as gender self-identification.[1][2][3] It is part of the broader LGBT rights movements.”

It's interesting, and likely a bit revealing, that when hard-right wing media talks about this they use "trans movement" rather than "trans rights movement". And folks who consume that media adopt that parlance.

In that worldview, the "movement" is a concerted effort to convert as many people (children especially) as possible to a gender queer status for the activists' (groomers) pleasure. It's not about "rights", it's about abuse. Crazy, but that's the conspiracy theory...and, of course, the Dems and "globalists" are behind this "agenda" and "movement"...the right wing media and politicians and preachers in the pulpit all profit from firing people up to resist the "trans movement".

So, they claim they need to "protect" females from males...seems reasonable, but this means (public accomodations) denying a trans female from using the bathrooms designed for females and forcing them instead to use bathrooms in which they may be vulnerable to bullying and violence with males...in much of Europe this is solved very differently through some basic engineering, with all bathrooms being gender neutral, with private stalls only. Use the first open stall...everyone has privacy and less stalls are needed overall...

That's the sort of thing the right wing activists like to use as a legislative stalking horse...housing and employment discrimination is just assumed to be ok, and not needing discussion, when you can deny someone access to the bathroom or the playing field...

Right wing media is very good at redefining a word or a cause and then flooding the zone to such and extent that their definition becomes the accepted definition…their use of the media is far sharper. I always ask people if they have ever noticed that their is no left wing equivalent to right wing talk radio. That’s a money maker….folks will claim NPR is the equivalent. Look at what happened with BLM, CRT, and “Woke”.

[tech37]

Ha! Okay, 1977 Florida...
I could say I forgot but frankly, I doubt I even knew this was happening, nor cared at that point in my life.

Yet you speak with complete confidence that I have no idea what I'm talking about....and you do.
Wow!... why, because I disagree with you or don't need to go back almost 50 years to make a point re a current issue?

I think you're a smart, very informed guy a fan, it's just that nuance isn't your strong suit.

You completely misunderstood my earlier posts and are making my point that the trans movement is just an extension of the decades-established gay movement.

That's your opinion.

My cousin would disagree with your assessment about the "trans movement", btw.

His view, and mine, is that this is all fruit from the same tree, the Constitution. Everyone wants the same rights. That's it. That's as complicated as it gets. You want to say Trans or Gay, or Muslims or whomever....... looking for the same rights everyone other American enjoys have nothing to do with the Civil Rights movement of the 50's and 60's where Black Americans were looking for these very same rights enumerated in the Constitution is just.....foreign to me, and I'll leave it at that.
Not quite what I was saying. If you present a broad enough category/subject, such as civil rights, of course that's all-inclusive. It's why I suggested that perhaps you should start a civil rights thread that trans could fall under with any other oppression
or abuses you find.

When you look more closely though, surprise, the nuance can reveal something quite different with these different rights movements.

Agree to disagree, I guess, and move on. I have no interest in going round and round, either....enjoy your week, and enjoyed the back and forth.

Thanks a fan... same to you.

[DMac]

Wow, this is pretty crazy.
People just do not want to be seen with anything Bud Light right now.
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[a fan]

Wow!... why, because I disagree with you or don't need to go back almost 50 years to make a point re a current issue?

That was YOU who asked me to do it, not the other way around....

Now to be much more germane/accurate, go ahead and compare the trans movement to the decades-established gay movement. But just a couple very important differences, the gay revolution/movement did not involve children.

I did PRECISELY what you asked, and compared the timeline YOU suggested.

You can just say "touche", and move on.....

I think you're a smart, very informed guy a fan, it's just that nuance isn't your strong suit.

Touche!!