Best player in your schools history

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molo wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:38 pm Also, there has been a lot if discussion about how only attackmen and middies have won the T, but am I correct in thinking that Petro did win the Enners award, basically POY, in 89?
And with Gait playing there was serious competition for POY.

By the way, Greenberg won the Enners in 79. At the time I felt like watching Greenberg play was like watching a train wreck. He was disruptive.
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molo wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:09 pm Since I’ve seen Hopkins play more than any other team, I’ll take a stab at their best players at each position. I am considering only players that I have seen. No disrespect to the elder statesman, but I’m confining my picks to those who played in the time period during which I’ve followed college lax, basically from 1960 until now.
GOALIE
Larry Quinn. My bias against sitting underclassmen is reflected in my choice of this two year stater.
DEFENSE
Dave Piertromala. There have been many excellent Hopkins defensemen, but the big lefty, who could bump up to pole if needed, is the best American defenseman I’ve ever seen.
MIDFIELD
Paul Rabil. The four time AA, three times first team, was primarily an o middie who took his share of wings.
My second choice, Kyle Harrison, was superb but Rabil was the team’s best player for three years.
ATTACK
Jack Thomas, whom I didn’t see as much as my second pick, Mike O’Neil, because I lived in Charlottesville for part of his career at Hopkins.
LSM
Steve Mitchell. I wasn’t going to add special positions, but Steve effectively created the position. Before him, most teams used their fourth and fifth defensemen at pole. Mitchell, with his gb play off face-off wings, his creativity in transition, and his ability to cover the opponent’s best middie, set the standard for the position.
For me, it's Del Dressel for middie...so great between the lines, played great D, was a great passer.....I didn't see him as much as you, I'm sure.

And Brian Wood is still it for me. So fun to watch, ridiculous shot, ridiculous stick handling. Really did it all. The number of times I saw him strip a clearing D man with his great over the head check.......and three rings ain't to shabby, either.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:23 pm
camskidamski wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:00 pm UVA debate will be a good one...


Army I think can go to Brendan Nichtern

- 3x All American
- Tewarraton Finalist as a senior
- Career leader in points/assists, single season record holder in points/assists as well
Cross generational is hard but I still think you can make a strong case for Tim Pearson and John Walker.
Not an Army historian by any means, but back in the day ('69-71), Tom Cafaro was very good as well. Maybe some Black Knights or Bid Red faithful can add some insight about him.
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Matnum PI wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:45 pm
camskidamski wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:00 pm UVA debate will be a good one...
Agreed...
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There were so many great Hopkins attackmen that it’s almost impossible to pick just one. Del Dressel was first team four times. I really can’t argue against your selection, and he played in an era when middies played d whether they were primarily offensive threats. Part of my choosing Rabil, apart from an admitted recency bias, is that in his last two years he carried teams to an NC and a FF that didn’t have the top to bottom talent that some of DD’s teams had. My wife thought of him as a bit of a ball hog. I thought he put the team on his back quite a few times.
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Old Lax Fan wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:02 pm
molo wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:38 pm Also, there has been a lot if discussion about how only attackmen and middies have won the T, but am I correct in thinking that Petro did win the Enners award, basically POY, in 89?
And with Gait playing there was serious competition for POY.

By the way, Greenberg won the Enners in 79. At the time I felt like watching Greenberg play was like watching a train wreck. He was disruptive.
#38 D from those teams - 78-80 - used to comment on these boards, actually LaxPower mostly for many years, and he swore by Federico and Greenberg.
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Oldlilaxer wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:16 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:23 pm
camskidamski wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:00 pm UVA debate will be a good one...


Army I think can go to Brendan Nichtern

- 3x All American
- Tewarraton Finalist as a senior
- Career leader in points/assists, single season record holder in points/assists as well
Cross generational is hard but I still think you can make a strong case for Tim Pearson and John Walker.
Not an Army historian by any means, but back in the day ('69-71), Tom Cafaro was very good as well. Maybe some Black Knights or Bid Red faithful can add some insight about him.
Good call just look him up had the single season points record until last year at 85 points , still holds record for goals in season 51. Must of been real good and with the sticks they have now look out.
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Bill Miller- Hobart
4 time AA - 3 First Team
2 time Player of the Year
2 time Attackman of the Year
4 National Championships
All time leader in goals 2nd in points and 2nd in assists
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Georgetown easy = Brodie Merrill.
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Oldlilaxer wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:16 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:23 pm
camskidamski wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:00 pm UVA debate will be a good one...


Army I think can go to Brendan Nichtern

- 3x All American
- Tewarraton Finalist as a senior
- Career leader in points/assists, single season record holder in points/assists as well
Cross generational is hard but I still think you can make a strong case for Tim Pearson and John Walker.
Not an Army historian by any means, but back in the day ('69-71), Tom Cafaro was very good as well. Maybe some Black Knights or Bid Red faithful can add some insight about him.
Way before my time but will look him up
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Lax3 wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:18 pm Georgetown easy = Brodie Merrill.
IL says otherwise

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 07adf8fb9/
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:14 pm
Lax3 wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:18 pm Georgetown easy = Brodie Merrill.
IL says otherwise

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 07adf8fb9/
Bray Malphrus for me from that listing.
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10stone5 wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:30 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:14 pm
Lax3 wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:18 pm Georgetown easy = Brodie Merrill.
IL says otherwise

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 07adf8fb9/
Bray Malphrus for me from that listing.
I can’t help but think of that GT class that was so over the top.

To wit, 1/8…Phenomenal!

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Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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TopShelf585 wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:12 pm Bill Miller- Hobart
4 time AA - 3 First Team
2 time Player of the Year
2 time Attackman of the Year
4 National Championships
All time leader in goals 2nd in points and 2nd in assists
Man, he was fun to watch. Also loved watching Ray Gilliam.....best attackman in the game, regardless of division, in 86, IMHO. Took down #1 ranked Syracuse at Boswell on a dry field. Played even better against SU in '87, but lost, 20-15.
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10stone5 wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:30 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:14 pm
Lax3 wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:18 pm Georgetown easy = Brodie Merrill.
IL says otherwise

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 07adf8fb9/
Bray Malphrus for me from that listing.
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Oldlilaxer wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:16 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:23 pm
camskidamski wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:00 pm UVA debate will be a good one...


Army I think can go to Brendan Nichtern

- 3x All American
- Tewarraton Finalist as a senior
- Career leader in points/assists, single season record holder in points/assists as well
Cross generational is hard but I still think you can make a strong case for Tim Pearson and John Walker.
Not an Army historian by any means, but back in the day ('69-71), Tom Cafaro was very good as well. Maybe some Black Knights or Bid Red faithful can add some insight about him.
I saw him in the '69 & '70 Army-Navy games.
You might enjoy these :
https://laxbuzz.wordpress.com/2010/11/2 ... e-09-1969/

https://www.nytimes.com/1970/05/31/arch ... -sure.html

https://goarmywestpoint.com/news/2017/1 ... ?path=mlax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Q5PTb08wg&t=67s
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old salt wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:23 pm
Oldlilaxer wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:16 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:23 pm
camskidamski wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:00 pm UVA debate will be a good one...


Army I think can go to Brendan Nichtern

- 3x All American
- Tewarraton Finalist as a senior
- Career leader in points/assists, single season record holder in points/assists as well
Cross generational is hard but I still think you can make a strong case for Tim Pearson and John Walker.
Not an Army historian by any means, but back in the day ('69-71), Tom Cafaro was very good as well. Maybe some Black Knights or Bid Red faithful can add some insight about him.
I saw him in the '69 & '70 Army-Navy games.
You might enjoy these :
https://laxbuzz.wordpress.com/2010/11/2 ... e-09-1969/

https://www.nytimes.com/1970/05/31/arch ... -sure.html

https://goarmywestpoint.com/news/2017/1 ... ?path=mlax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Q5PTb08wg&t=67s
Watching old game footage on Cafaro.........I've said it before, and I'll say it again......it KILLS me to know that we've got game archives from schools like Army and Hopkins and Syracuse that go back decades....and they're just sitting there, rotting. Hopkins, in particular.

What I'd give to have some student intern at theses schools spend a few hours a year uploading all these old games, before they're just.....gone.
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old salt wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:23 pm
Oldlilaxer wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:16 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:23 pm
camskidamski wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:00 pm UVA debate will be a good one...


Army I think can go to Brendan Nichtern

- 3x All American
- Tewarraton Finalist as a senior
- Career leader in points/assists, single season record holder in points/assists as well
Cross generational is hard but I still think you can make a strong case for Tim Pearson and John Walker.
Not an Army historian by any means, but back in the day ('69-71), Tom Cafaro was very good as well. Maybe some Black Knights or Bid Red faithful can add some insight about him.
I saw him in the '69 & '70 Army-Navy games.
You might enjoy these :
https://laxbuzz.wordpress.com/2010/11/2 ... e-09-1969/

https://www.nytimes.com/1970/05/31/arch ... -sure.html

https://goarmywestpoint.com/news/2017/1 ... ?path=mlax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Q5PTb08wg&t=67s
That was awesome
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a fan wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:52 pm
molo wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:09 pm Since I’ve seen Hopkins play more than any other team, I’ll take a stab at their best players at each position. I am considering only players that I have seen. No disrespect to the elder statesman, but I’m confining my picks to those who played in the time period during which I’ve followed college lax, basically from 1960 until now.
GOALIE
Larry Quinn. My bias against sitting underclassmen is reflected in my choice of this two year stater.
DEFENSE
Dave Piertromala. There have been many excellent Hopkins defensemen, but the big lefty, who could bump up to pole if needed, is the best American defenseman I’ve ever seen.
MIDFIELD
Paul Rabil. The four time AA, three times first team, was primarily an o middie who took his share of wings.
My second choice, Kyle Harrison, was superb but Rabil was the team’s best player for three years.
ATTACK
Jack Thomas, whom I didn’t see as much as my second pick, Mike O’Neil, because I lived in Charlottesville for part of his career at Hopkins.
LSM
Steve Mitchell. I wasn’t going to add special positions, but Steve effectively created the position. Before him, most teams used their fourth and fifth defensemen at pole. Mitchell, with his gb play off face-off wings, his creativity in transition, and his ability to cover the opponent’s best middie, set the standard for the position.
For me, it's Del Dressel for middie...so great between the lines, played great D, was a great passer.....I didn't see him as much as you, I'm sure.

And Brian Wood is still it for me. So fun to watch, ridiculous shot, ridiculous stick handling. Really did it all. The number of times I saw him strip a clearing D man with his great over the head check.......and three rings ain't to shabby, either.
Brian was injured, shoulder if memory serves, and did not fully revover the pre injury capacity he had. Still magnificent. Played at St Mary’s in Annapolis with Craig Bubier
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lorin wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:44 am
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:23 pm
Oldlilaxer wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:16 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:23 pm
camskidamski wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:00 pm UVA debate will be a good one...


Army I think can go to Brendan Nichtern

- 3x All American
- Tewarraton Finalist as a senior
- Career leader in points/assists, single season record holder in points/assists as well
Cross generational is hard but I still think you can make a strong case for Tim Pearson and John Walker.
Not an Army historian by any means, but back in the day ('69-71), Tom Cafaro was very good as well. Maybe some Black Knights or Bid Red faithful can add some insight about him.
I saw him in the '69 & '70 Army-Navy games.
You might enjoy these :
https://laxbuzz.wordpress.com/2010/11/2 ... e-09-1969/

https://www.nytimes.com/1970/05/31/arch ... -sure.html

https://goarmywestpoint.com/news/2017/1 ... ?path=mlax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Q5PTb08wg&t=67s
That was awesome
Thanks 'Old Salt'.
I had heard about Cafaro from the Cornell/Army semi-final in 71, and just reverse engineered from there. However, never knew they had another gem in Pete Cramblet.
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