Our Undeclared Wars

[runrussellrun]

.....have the 990 pdf showing the donation. Not understanding what your issue is with this? The House of Saud gave the Clinton foundation millions. You're actually disputing this fact? Hillaryous.

Saudi Arabia gave about $10 million to build the Clinton library. According to the Post, the Saudis gave a similar amount to the George H.W. Bush library ... As a legal matter, Clinton was not a member of the foundation’s board until 2013, after she left the administration ... There were no Saudi donations while she was secretary.


Nothing wrong with donating $ for a library. After all, when done for the benefit of Bush that was ok, right? It will be recalled that the Clintons said there was a double standard with re the scrutiny given to both.

According to the POST I can PM you their pdf 990 forms and the wayback links to the .......but why bother

In case you were wondering.....the TAATS moniker derived and is due to shrub. I have pointed out, many, many times, the shrubs "library"

was scandalous, if not just for the house of SOD donations. Even MORE upset that Obama gave OUR tax dollars to Bush's foundation. awesomer........any reason why Obama's one and only veto OVERRIDE involved house of SOD? guess you keep on forgetting, like someone did something.........

[runrussellrun]

Actually, the bait in the troll is wrong. No way you would check and the TLD type (can only aspire, never match) sarcasm would be lost. The sardonic super question was ironical. Trying to be Hillaryous. Obama NEVAH gave tax dollars to both "charities", only to one of them. Wanna take a guess which one? Yup. The Clinton Foundation got our tax dollars (bad), and Shrubs did NOT (good)

[Typical Lax Dad]

from the "facts" brookie posted

It’s now possible to look up donation amounts on the Clinton Foundation’s website. Using Trump’s Saudi Arabia example, Saudi Arabia shows up as having given between $10 million and $25 million since the foundation started. When it began in 1997, the foundation’s main goal was to build the Clinton presidential library, although it left open the option to "engage in any and all other charitable, educational and scientific activities" that nonprofits are allowed to do under federal law.

read a little further into it for clarification

Don't need too.........have the 990 pdf showing the donation. Not understanding what your issue is with this? The House of Saud gave the Clinton foundation millions. You're actually disputing this fact? Hillaryous. Does wallstreet make money from killing machine industry sales?

I know I am the only person that has this website bookmarked...........

https://www.dsca.mil/news-media/news-ar ... l-2017-47b

FARNBOROUGH, July 16, 2018 - The United States has already blown past the amount of weaponry it sold to foreign governments all last year — with more than two months to go before the fiscal year ends.

American defense companies, with the blessing of the Pentagon and State Department, have already sold $46.9 billion worth of weapons to foreign governments this year, leaving the $41 billion worth of deals in 2017 in the dust.

Lt. Gen. Charles Hooper, director of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which coordinates foreign sales, revealed the new numbers to me on Monday. “The president and the administration’s plans have given us that leadership, guidance and focus, and we understand that this comes directly from the top, directly from the White House,” he said.

The record for any single year is the $69.1 billion reached in 2012, but that was an outlier since it saw a staggering $29 billion deal for 84 F-15s to Saudi Arabia — a single signature line item that sent the total rocketing up from $40 billion.

Who was Sect. of State in 2012? exactly

Are you sure you are not HRapBrownHRapBrown....

[wahoomurf]

WE---EVERY U.S.Citizen---are in the midst of another war.One that will either bring "weeping and gnashing of teeth",(LUKE 13:28 translated from the original Greek ὁ κλαυθμὸς καὶ ὁ βρυγμὸς τῶν ὀδόντων) for some...or an enormous sigh of relief for many.

HOORAY! It's about we stood up to the abuses we face by adhering to the preposterous nonsense that is The U.S.Constitution

"Based on Trump's and Rudy's comments,subpoenas are simply pieces of paper that can be throw away along with those annoying grocery store notices you get every Thursday.Or should you run out of toilet paper,subpoenas as are an excellent substitute....More Charming Than Charmin.

"

I honestley hope you don't mean this murph. I distrust the US government as much as you but I can't forget at one point is time I swore an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution. I really hope that those 3 years were not spent in vain. The US Constitution is only as effective as the leaders we have that have also sworn an oath to protect it.

Not only do I stand by every word,I feel I haven't stood up enough.We,you and me. are the Government.I see a person with whom I've many interactions over a 40 year period,pissing on both we the people...the Government...and the Constitution as well.I took the same oath as you did.That gives me and you if you so choose, the right and duty to call out this disgusting,venial and and phony,lying dick-wad.

Like you,I honestly hope you don't believe the LEADER of the Government and the Constitution we swore to protect, is EFFECTIVE. Put another way how do you FEEL about this LEADER directing his people to ignore legally issued subpoenas? Hell he even got his newest butt-boy Barr (BBB) to go along with that.

[Brooklyn]

Are you sure you are not HCRapBrownHCRapBrown....

[cradleandshoot]

quote=wahoomurf post_id=46181 time=1556559919 user_id=259]

WE---EVERY U.S.Citizen---are in the midst of another war.One that will either bring "weeping and gnashing of teeth",(LUKE 13:28 translated from the original Greek ὁ κλαυθμὸς καὶ ὁ βρυγμὸς τῶν ὀδόντων) for some...or an enormous sigh of relief for many.

HOORAY! It's about we stood up to the abuses we face by adhering to the preposterous nonsense that is The U.S.Constitution

"Based on Trump's and Rudy's comments,subpoenas are simply pieces of paper that can be throw away along with those annoying grocery store notices you get every Thursday.Or should you run out of toilet paper,subpoenas as are an excellent substitute....More Charming Than Charmin.

"

I honestley hope you don't mean this murph. I distrust the US government as much as you but I can't forget at one point is time I swore an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution. I really hope that those 3 years were not spent in vain. The US Constitution is only as effective as the leaders we have that have also sworn an oath to protect it.

Not only do I stand by every word,I feel I haven't stood up enough.We,you and me. are the Government.I see a person with whom I've many interactions over a 40 year period,pissing on both we the people...the Government...and the Constitution as well.I took the same oath as you did.That gives me and you if you so choose, the right and duty to call out this disgusting,venial and and phony,lying dick-wad.

Like you,I honestly hope you don't believe the LEADER of the Government and the Constitution we swore to protect, is EFFECTIVE. Put another way how do you FEEL about this LEADER directing his people to ignore legally issued subpoenas? Hell he even got his newest butt-boy Barr (BBB) to go along with that.
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Thanks for your reply murph, I understand your frustration because it effects you on a personal level. IMO there are way too many politicians outside of trump on both sides that play fast and loose with the rules. The problem is very few of these politicians are willing to stand by the constitution. If you are handed a subpoena and you think you are being railroaded you testify by invoking your rights under the 5th amendment of our constitution. You simply state you will not say anything to incriminate yourself. When you thumb your nose at the constitution you prove yourself to be clueless they can ask you questions six ways to sunday… but you don't have to answer them. All you have to do is take advantage of the protections the Constitution gives you. Refusing to answer does not mean you are guilty of anything. Proving you are guilty is the burden placed on the people prosecuting any alleged crime.

[wahoomurf]

WE---EVERY U.S.Citizen---are in the midst of another war.One that will either bring "weeping and gnashing of teeth",(LUKE 13:28 translated from the original Greek ὁ κλαυθμὸς καὶ ὁ βρυγμὸς τῶν ὀδόντων) for some...or an enormous sigh of relief for many.

HOORAY! It's about we stood up to the abuses we face by adhering to the preposterous nonsense that is The U.S.Constitution

"Based on Trump's and Rudy's comments,subpoenas are simply pieces of paper that can be throw away along with those annoying grocery store notices you get every Thursday.Or should you run out of toilet paper,subpoenas as are an excellent substitute....More Charming Than Charmin.

"

I honestley hope you don't mean this murph. I distrust the US government as much as you but I can't forget at one point is time I swore an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution. I really hope that those 3 years were not spent in vain. The US Constitution is only as effective as the leaders we have that have also sworn an oath to protect it.

In this case,the POTUS,took that oath.Another wink,win kfrom the liar-in-chief.Is telling his entourage to disregard legal subpoenas effective leadership.

Boy do we have different expectations of our oath taking leaders!

[old salt]

Here's the airport in Caracas which Guaido controls. 6500 ft rwy. Good for C-130's. Tight (but usable) for C -17's.

Base Aérea Francisco de Miranda

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aerop ... 66.8455195

[cradleandshoot]

WE---EVERY U.S.Citizen---are in the midst of another war.One that will either bring "weeping and gnashing of teeth",(LUKE 13:28 translated from the original Greek ὁ κλαυθμὸς καὶ ὁ βρυγμὸς τῶν ὀδόντων) for some...or an enormous sigh of relief for many.

HOORAY! It's about we stood up to the abuses we face by adhering to the preposterous nonsense that is The U.S.Constitution

"Based on Trump's and Rudy's comments,subpoenas are simply pieces of paper that can be throw away along with those annoying grocery store notices you get every Thursday.Or should you run out of toilet paper,subpoenas as are an excellent substitute....More Charming Than Charmin.

"

I honestley hope you don't mean this murph. I distrust the US government as much as you but I can't forget at one point is time I swore an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution. I really hope that those 3 years were not spent in vain. The US Constitution is only as effective as the leaders we have that have also sworn an oath to protect it.

In this case,the POTUS,took that oath.Another wink,win kfrom the liar-in-chief.Is telling his entourage to disregard legal subpoenas effective leadership.

Boy do we have different expectations of our oath taking leaders!

Not really murph. I have only learned over the years to expect all of them to lie to us. They have never disappointed me yet in that regard. You do notice the turmoil and disfunction at the VA has not been fixed yet. Both sides have sworn up and down their dedication to taking care of the wounded soldiers still coming home. If the VA was doing their job, why would we need the wounded warrior project having to raise money for these veterans. THIS nonsense SHOULD NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.

[OCanada]

The Wounded Warrior Project that misused donor funds? Have they gone straight?

Spot on in some ways. Trump has exacerbated the problem with his hiring of consultants ??? To over see the agency. There Republican legislature stymied some efforts to address problem earlier

[cradleandshoot]

The Wounded Warrior Project that misused donor funds? Have they gone straight?

Spot on in some ways. Trump has exacerbated the problem with his hiring of consultants ??? To over see the agency. There Republican legislature stymied some efforts to address problem earlier

So we should just hand the problem over to the VA?? You want to articulate the misuse of funds on their end of the stick?? Pick your poison here OC I have more faith in the folks at WWP than I do at the VA. They may not be perfect but they have people dedicated to the cause of helping wounded veterans. The VA is dedicated to whatever the government tells them to be dedicated to. WWP has worked very hard to try and supplement the job that the VA has failed miserably at doing. For some reason, nobody wants to get into any detail here why the VA is failing miserably at their primary objective. I thought that was to take care of the needs of our wounded and PTSD veterans. This is the same bunch of DC knuckleheads that want to provide free health care to all Americans. Is this the same caliber of healthcare you are providing to our service members? Your best answer will probably come in the form of assisted suicide.

[runrussellrun]

The Wounded Warrior Project that misused donor funds? Have they gone straight?

Spot on in some ways. Trump has exacerbated the problem with his hiring of consultants ??? To over see the agency. There Republican legislature stymied some efforts to address problem earlier

So we should just hand the problem over to the VA?? You want to articulate the misuse of funds on their end of the stick?? Pick your poison here OC I have more faith in the folks at WWP than I do at the VA. They may not be perfect but they have people dedicated to the cause of helping wounded veterans. The VA is dedicated to whatever the government tells them to be dedicated to. WWP has worked very hard to try and supplement the job that the VA has failed miserably at doing. For some reason, nobody wants to get into any detail here why the VA is failing miserably at their primary objective. I thought that was to take care of the needs of our wounded and PTSD veterans. This is the same bunch of DC knuckleheads that want to provide free health care to all Americans. Is this the same caliber of healthcare you are providing to our service members? Your best answer will probably come in the form of assisted suicide.

Have donated to the Fisher HOuse for years. Suggest you do the same.......the WWP is a scam, always has been.........end of story.
Pretend CONservatives only want to fund killing machine companies. " Arrows cost money, send in the Irish. The dead cost nothing " Agree, if the VA was well run, well funded......non-profits wouldn't need to exist. Or, even paying our troops in harms way 4 times what they currently make (enlisted)

Ah, that's the point, arrows cost money, but SOMEONE has to sell them. No, it's NOT socialism when US Tax payer funds the R & D for crap/junk jets like the F-35, so that MickyD can get TAATS approval and sell those useless jets to homo killing countries like Turkey and house of SOD.

[OCanada]

Got the WWP.

The agency is a disgrace. It’s been underfunded. Thank the freedom caucus and tea party. Trump adding layers of administrative costs on top of a too small budget adds to the problem. The people making key decisions are not even fed employees.

Tax cut was the worst economic decade in at least a generation and will make the problem even worse.

[cradleandshoot]

Got the WWP.

The agency is a disgrace. It’s been underfunded. Thank the freedom caucus and tea party. Trump adding layers of administrative costs on top of a too small budget adds to the problem. The people making key decisions are not even fed employees.

Tax cut was the worst economic decade in at least a generation and will make the problem even worse.

A bit of a tangent but we have to admit that the VA is a prime example of the miserable job the government does at running health care. Yet we want to hand over the health care of ALL Americans to the same people that can't find the solutions to their own miserable failures running health care for our veterans. Ya gotta have faith. This time the gubmint will have their ducks all in a row. To quote Mr Rogers... can you say death panels.

[OCanada]

It is inaccurate to make the claim about national healthcare. Vets would be better if they used a healthcare program like most economically advanced countries have.

[holmes435]

It's also just plain inaccurate.

VA Health Care Rated Same or Better than Private Hospitals

The VA often (but not always) performs better than or similarly to other systems of care with regard to the safety and effectiveness of care.

And when we talk about single payer we're not even talking about .gov taking over private hospitals and healthcare providers, just making a single insurance system.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Got the WWP.

The agency is a disgrace. It’s been underfunded. Thank the freedom caucus and tea party. Trump adding layers of administrative costs on top of a too small budget adds to the problem. The people making key decisions are not even fed employees.

Tax cut was the worst economic decade in at least a generation and will make the problem even worse.i

A bit of a tangent but we have to admit that the VA is a prime example of the miserable job the government does at running health care. Yet we want to hand over the health care of ALL Americans to the same people that can't find the solutions to their own miserable failures running health care for our veterans. Ya gotta have faith. This time the gubmint will have their ducks all in a row. To quote Mr Rogers... can you say death panels.

An average American

[jhu72]

It's also just plain inaccurate.

VA Health Care Rated Same or Better than Private Hospitals

The VA often (but not always) performs better than or similarly to other systems of care with regard to the safety and effectiveness of care.

And when we talk about single payer we're not even talking about .gov taking over private hospitals and healthcare providers, just making a single insurance system.

Yep. I get tired of hearing it. VA has got problems, all of which can be fixed if we stopped f**king with their budget and stopped putting in place programs to try to fix it with out giving them the money they need.

[DMac]

Anyone here actually go to/use a VA hospital?

[cradleandshoot]

Anyone here actually go to/use a VA hospital?

Never needed service at a VA hospital but I did go to our outpatient clinic about 10 years ago. Saying that the facility was understaffed and had to service way too many patients was an understatement. Medical services from the VA are so very hit or miss. My job takes me to the VA hospital in Canandaigua quite often. The facility is under new construction and the government is spending a boatload full of money to update the facility. Any time I am there I always chat with the veterans I come in to contact with. The first thing I always tell them is how thankful I am for their service to our country. The second thing I notice is that the veterans at that facility range from WW2 all the way up to present day. Our nation has sacrificed the lives of way too many of our men and women over the years to a world that bye and large could care less. I am tormented on this issue... I despise damn near every freaking thing our present government stands for. Being a veteran I love and appreciate the sacrifice we all have made. When I was in basic training all those years ago our drill instructors would always make one thing very clear to all of us trainees... you all volunteered to be here... nobody forced you to make this decision. My expectations would be that our leaders would value the lives of our people as much as their families do.