The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

[Farfromgeneva]

... maybe there is a problem (a big one in my opinion) with how we organize our sports teams. Take a lesson from auto racing / horse racing. Age based / gender based "sport classes" is the only reason we are having either of these discussions. This is again tied to how we view the goal of sports.

I think this would be a very interesting conversation to have. Maybe Americans focus on the competitive lessons sports teach to athletes and we value the competition because our culture puts so much emphasis on the individual. In other countries around the world, maybe the importance of sports is different. Maybe it's more about the good of the collective/community. I imagine the soccer courts in the Paris suburbs where so many of the French National soccer team grew up playing don't have age groups with kids and parents gaming the system. I imagine that a 8 year old could play against a 15 year old there. The benefits of that would be the same as a Montessori school.

I don't have any idea how the French handle "youth" soccer. I do think the concept of using age as a proxy for "fair competition" as we do is anything but. Same for gender, as my Linda Johnson example illustrates. The concept of using "school class" as we do for high school teams creates an unfair competition, easily gamed, for spots on the team. We also have a problem with the concept of the "goal of playing a sport", the lesson it teaches, etc. There is more than a little hypocrisy attached to that discussion.

I think educational system based athletics have failed us as a society. We have tried to correct those with Title IX, which has made even more problems -- transexual sports, etc. I would suggest the simplest solution is to revamp all educational system based sports. Make them co-ed in all cases and unlimited in participation -- ie., the recreational model -- if you wish to participate, you are on the team, regardless of skill / ability.

Separate all single sex teams from educational institutions, make those separate club teams, not funded by the educational institutions. Goes for high school and college / university. These teams will have to become self-sustaining.

This also lowers costs for the educational institutions and generally lowers tuition for students. The educational institutions as corporations of course should be allowed to invest in club teams, part of their endowment, but the club teams have to be money making for profit entities.

I think this makes a lot more sense than what we do today.

If you had a broad based IMG system that might improve the education for everyone else by removing the "athlete first" kids and they exist.

[Farfromgeneva]

Leslie getting no love.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motors ... a5a5&ei=19

Seka

A blast from the past.
Yeah, I kinda miss the old hairdo.

Sign me up.

Really?

What reaction would I get if I tossed up a pic or Grace Slick then? Perhaps Darryl Hannah’s character in Blade Runner? (Can’t tell me you like Blade Runner Hannah better than Hannah in the limo in Wall Street, no one should claim that unless you have a clown fetish)

Sign them up too. Megyn Kelly has that Grace Jones thing happening. She has no sex appeal but them lips be callin'..

If I’m mining the 80s my list begins and ends with Cocktail Elizabeth Shue. For a really good time add Belinda Carlisle to the party. And strangely I’ve seen some pics of stung out Iggy Pop and Deborah Harry where I’m like “damn throw me into a junkie scene w Lou Reed, Jim Carroll and her partying in an alley off Tompkins Square Park with soem magnums.

Following up on this because I was having a street basketball pop
Dance party here after dinner with my daughter. She only listens to pop in case you ever meet her and value your sanity follow her rules.

I forgot to add to my party the lead singer of the Bangles. I don’t remember her name but I do remember the things I thought I’d like to do to her when I was in middle school.

[NattyBohChamps04]

I don't think I mention it a lot. I get involved in the discussion once in awhile.

You mention it a lot because when it does pop up in the news you post stuff. Again and again.

DMac is allowed to post his views on this. It looks like he's been very respectful in this thread, which is more than I can say of many other posters in a lot of threads. There have been things in the past that I haven't agreed with DMac on, but if he's respectful he shouldn't feel pressured to stop posting about anything.

And I never asked him to stop posting. Just commented on his behavior. He seems to be very enthusiastic about keeping trans women out of any women's sports regardless of their transition timeline (whereas I think there are gray areas and cutoff lines for many sports). And he likes to regularly comment on the rare times a trans woman is out there competing.

He also uses a pretty outdated term/slur for trans people on the regular which isn't respectful.

Many posters have changed over the years, some for better, and some for worse. dmac has been here a long time and posts some insightful stuff on the regular and I usually appreciate his input.

[Farfromgeneva]

I don't think I mention it a lot. I get involved in the discussion once in awhile.

You mention it a lot because when it does pop up in the news you post stuff. Again and again.

DMac is allowed to post his views on this. It looks like he's been very respectful in this thread, which is more than I can say of many other posters in a lot of threads. There have been things in the past that I haven't agreed with DMac on, but if he's respectful he shouldn't feel pressured to stop posting about anything.

And I never asked him to stop posting. Just commented on his behavior. He seems to be very enthusiastic about keeping trans women out of any women's sports regardless of their transition timeline (whereas I think there are gray areas and cutoff lines for many sports). And he likes to regularly comment on the rare times a trans woman is out there competing.

He also uses a pretty outdated term/slur for trans people on the regular which isn't respectful.

Many posters have changed over the years, some for better, and some for worse. dmac has been here a long time and posts some insightful stuff on the regular and I usually appreciate his input.

I use the term too. Along w still using the R word and a few others. Understand the subversive nature of using it even if in a crowd you know won’t be bothered by it but habits don’t die easy and I’m a provocateur which can also be described as a “habitual line stepper”. I also describe volatile and messy situations as “back alley abortions” (bloody messes)

[SCLaxAttack]

Leslie getting no love.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motors ... a5a5&ei=19

Seka

A blast from the past.
Yeah, I kinda miss the old hairdo.

Sign me up.

Really?

What reaction would I get if I tossed up a pic or Grace Slick then? Perhaps Darryl Hannah’s character in Blade Runner? (Can’t tell me you like Blade Runner Hannah better than Hannah in the limo in Wall Street, no one should claim that unless you have a clown fetish)

Sign them up too. Megyn Kelly has that Grace Jones thing happening. She has no sex appeal but them lips be callin'..

If I’m mining the 80s my list begins and ends with Cocktail Elizabeth Shue. For a really good time add Belinda Carlisle to the party. And strangely I’ve seen some pics of stung out Iggy Pop and Deborah Harry where I’m like “damn throw me into a junkie scene w Lou Reed, Jim Carroll and her partying in an alley off Tompkins Square Park with soem magnums.

Following up on this because I was having a street basketball pop
Dance party here after dinner with my daughter. She only listens to pop in case you ever meet her and value your sanity follow her rules.

I forgot to add to my party the lead singer of the Bangles. I don’t remember her name but I do remember the things I thought I’d like to do to her when I was in middle school.

The proper consensual term is “with her”.

[Farfromgeneva]

Leslie getting no love.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motors ... a5a5&ei=19

Seka

A blast from the past.
Yeah, I kinda miss the old hairdo.

Sign me up.

Really?

What reaction would I get if I tossed up a pic or Grace Slick then? Perhaps Darryl Hannah’s character in Blade Runner? (Can’t tell me you like Blade Runner Hannah better than Hannah in the limo in Wall Street, no one should claim that unless you have a clown fetish)

Sign them up too. Megyn Kelly has that Grace Jones thing happening. She has no sex appeal but them lips be callin'..

If I’m mining the 80s my list begins and ends with Cocktail Elizabeth Shue. For a really good time add Belinda Carlisle to the party. And strangely I’ve seen some pics of stung out Iggy Pop and Deborah Harry where I’m like “damn throw me into a junkie scene w Lou Reed, Jim Carroll and her partying in an alley off Tompkins Square Park with soem magnums.

Following up on this because I was having a street basketball pop
Dance party here after dinner with my daughter. She only listens to pop in case you ever meet her and value your sanity follow her rules.

I forgot to add to my party the lead singer of the Bangles. I don’t remember her name but I do remember the things I thought I’d like to do to her when I was in middle school.

The proper consensual term is “with her”.

How about “do to her with her consent”. I don’t know if the woman can do “The Swirl”, combined with “Two Snaps a Twist and a Kiss” on a beach, this is one area in life where I believe the guy has to do the work.

Either way your ruining my recollection of my wet dream prime here!

And the fireworks in the video are a metaphor in my mind…

[runrussellrun]

Hanging with a group of homosexuals recently, we talked about the amazing progress we have made regarding "gay rights"

Clintons state of Arkansas, was the last to make "same sex" marriage legal. All positive, loving stuff.

We have some more work to do, but the substantial progress and simple humanitarian practices are something to be proud of, here in the USA.

j. edgar hoover , today, could have his own "cross dressing" fashion line. Openly. And why shouldn't he.


Serious question: If the penis is cut off, does your human sexual response, regarding "orgasims"......how does this occur? Or, is the humans sexual pleasure similar to those that have spinal column injuries.

[runrussellrun]

How about “do to her with her consent”. I don’t know if the woman can do “The Swirl”, combined with “Two Snaps a Twist and a Kiss” on a beach, this is one area in life where I believe the guy has to do the work.

Either way your ruining my recollection of my wet dream prime here!

And the fireworks in the video are a metaphor in my mind…

You can program WHO is in your wet dreams?

pretty cool.

low hangin fruit, when it comes to Ms. Hoff selling "$ex" in pop songs, implanting images in a young boys sunless, lower tier bedroom window. Susanna is a solid 6, no doubt. Like Madonna.

Did WHAM ever find its way into your "dreams" ? How about Chris Issac ? Definitely could do a MMF 3 way with him. Taylor Dayne would be the F.

[DMac]

Tranny (I think that's what you're talking about) isn't being respectful?
Why, because a couple of syllables are dropped? Seems as if no matter
what you call a person anymore they're going to find a way to be offended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jor6jqaYQBs

[Farfromgeneva]

How about “do to her with her consent”. I don’t know if the woman can do “The Swirl”, combined with “Two Snaps a Twist and a Kiss” on a beach, this is one area in life where I believe the guy has to do the work.

Either way your ruining my recollection of my wet dream prime here!

And the fireworks in the video are a metaphor in my mind…

You can program WHO is in your wet dreams?

pretty cool.

low hangin fruit, when it comes to Ms. Hoff selling "$ex" in pop songs, implanting images in a young boys sunless, lower tier bedroom window. Susanna is a solid 6, no doubt. Like Madonna.

Did WHAM ever find its way into your "dreams" ? How about Chris Issac ? Definitely could do a MMF 3 way with him. Taylor Dayne would be the F.

I’ve met Chris Isaak once ages ago in SF visiting my sister as a college kid. On that experience alone I’ve always been a fan-cool dude. But I don’t need any help throwing my back out.

Otherwise I don’t get much of your post so don’t care since I know you won’t bother to explain in terms anyone else can understand even when I ask.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Tranny (I think that's what you're talking about) isn't being respectful?
Why, because a couple of syllables are dropped? Seems as if no matter
what you call a person anymore they're going to find a way to be offended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jor6jqaYQBs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny

It's mostly been used in a derogatory manner. Which is why people get offended over the use even if you meant no offense.

[runrussellrun]

How about “do to her with her consent”. I don’t know if the woman can do “The Swirl”, combined with “Two Snaps a Twist and a Kiss” on a beach, this is one area in life where I believe the guy has to do the work.

Either way your ruining my recollection of my wet dream prime here!

And the fireworks in the video are a metaphor in my mind…

You can program WHO is in your wet dreams?

pretty cool.

low hangin fruit, when it comes to Ms. Hoff selling "$ex" in pop songs, implanting images in a young boys sunless, lower tier bedroom window. Susanna is a solid 6, no doubt. Like Madonna.

Did WHAM ever find its way into your "dreams" ? How about Chris Issac ? Definitely could do a MMF 3 way with him. Taylor Dayne would be the F.

I’ve met Chris Isaak once ages ago in SF visiting my sister as a college kid. On that experience alone I’ve always been a fan-cool dude. But I don’t need any help throwing my back out.

Otherwise I don’t get much of your post so don’t care since I know you won’t bother to explain in terms anyone else can understand even when I ask.

try reading it out loud, pausing on comas. Which, is why they are there, we were told. We guess, in social media world, using a comma counts as a character...I wouldn't know. Ken Burns found it valuable, like a book on tape too.

you were most likely introduced to the Bangles via big business and the usual musical bizness players, specifically mtv/vhi monopolies. The low hanging fruit. Hoffs is a solid six, but willing to bet you witness way hotter at youth games !

you grew up in the lower tier, on NY state, which, we have been told, is the most sunless part of the continental USA. Perhaps you had a tv, with cable, in your bedroom (just never could figure out how to do the full scramble, for certain channels ) nothing to read into, just probably not a ton to do a dark, brisk, late January afternoon, than rub it to a music video. no shame, gotta due what's natural.

perhaps not WHAM, but maybe you got turned on by the cross dressing "hair" bands, and like today, find yourself, more and more, focused on the males in porn, like all Nick Cage movies. No matter how HOT his female is, the screen time is always 20 to 1, nick to the actress. Does "hair band" affection, translate in liking hairy men, for sex, later on ? If you showered with men, bc that is what football guys do....than , the grooming starts there. either way, with a cool guy like Issacs, perhaps you could join in some fun ? does your town have a "key sway" network. you near Peach tree

so confused...does this make me BOTH q AND b (questioning and bi ) Guess, if I wanted, I could be trans, too, since, I am always questioning, which is q. and I prefer woman. How far, along in the dick removal process, does one have to be, in order to call themselves trans ? q, and more q.

In fact, have never been with a man alone, so, that does not make me gay, perhaps. questioning. but, being with a man, while also with a woman, makes it questionable, q, that I am b. maybe the "right" man.
what IS bisexual, specifically. Does, insertion, into another man, count ? Does GIVING oral sex, only, count ? what, if done in tandem, with his hottie wife ?

so many questions.

and if anyone thinks what I am writing is pervetted......

[Farfromgeneva]

Can I please have a pass for a one time usage here of the R word?

[DMac]

Tranny (I think that's what you're talking about) isn't being respectful?
Why, because a couple of syllables are dropped? Seems as if no matter
what you call a person anymore they're going to find a way to be offended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jor6jqaYQBs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny

It's mostly been used in a derogatory manner. Which is why people get offended over the use even if you meant no offense.

I'd be willing to bet that most (if not the vast majority) people don't know this and simply see it as a shortened version as the word. I don't think people really care all that much about this stuff, don't give it all that much thought despite what one might be led to believe in watching the news, talking heads...etc. Even the people who don't care about this stuff are hurting Bud Light sales as they just don't want to be seen with a can of it and drug into the discussion. This was a bad move for Bud and I really don't see this coming to an end any time soon.

[ardilla secreta]

Can I please have a pass for a one time usage here of the R word?

The R word? Are you talking about pirates?

[Farfromgeneva]

Can I please have a pass for a one time usage here of the R word?

The R word? Are you talking about pirates?

https://youtu.be/F8rc9IIp6ns

[youthathletics]

Tranny (I think that's what you're talking about) isn't being respectful?
Why, because a couple of syllables are dropped? Seems as if no matter
what you call a person anymore they're going to find a way to be offended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jor6jqaYQBs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny

It's mostly been used in a derogatory manner. Which is why people get offended over the use even if you meant no offense.

I'd be willing to bet that most (if not the vast majority) people don't know this and simply see it as a shortened version as the word. I don't think people really care all that much about this stuff, don't give it all that much thought despite what one might be led to believe in watching the news, talking heads...etc. Even the people who don't care about this stuff are hurting Bud Light sales as they just don't want to be seen with a can of it and drug into the discussion. This was a bad move for Bud and I really don't see this coming to an end any time soon.

Been to a few establishments and the bud light taps and kegs have all been replaced. Asked around and they said no one is drinking it.

[Farfromgeneva]

Tranny (I think that's what you're talking about) isn't being respectful?
Why, because a couple of syllables are dropped? Seems as if no matter
what you call a person anymore they're going to find a way to be offended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jor6jqaYQBs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny

It's mostly been used in a derogatory manner. Which is why people get offended over the use even if you meant no offense.

I'd be willing to bet that most (if not the vast majority) people don't know this and simply see it as a shortened version as the word. I don't think people really care all that much about this stuff, don't give it all that much thought despite what one might be led to believe in watching the news, talking heads...etc. Even the people who don't care about this stuff are hurting Bud Light sales as they just don't want to be seen with a can of it and drug into the discussion. This was a bad move for Bud and I really don't see this coming to an end any time soon.

Been to a few establishments and the bud light taps and kegs have all been replaced. Asked around and they said no one is drinking it.

That may be true but stupid. And of course so short term oriented given how recent this was.

I haven’t notice any difference here.

[youthathletics]

Tranny (I think that's what you're talking about) isn't being respectful?
Why, because a couple of syllables are dropped? Seems as if no matter
what you call a person anymore they're going to find a way to be offended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jor6jqaYQBs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny

It's mostly been used in a derogatory manner. Which is why people get offended over the use even if you meant no offense.

I'd be willing to bet that most (if not the vast majority) people don't know this and simply see it as a shortened version as the word. I don't think people really care all that much about this stuff, don't give it all that much thought despite what one might be led to believe in watching the news, talking heads...etc. Even the people who don't care about this stuff are hurting Bud Light sales as they just don't want to be seen with a can of it and drug into the discussion. This was a bad move for Bud and I really don't see this coming to an end any time soon.

Been to a few establishments and the bud light taps and kegs have all been replaced. Asked around and they said no one is drinking it.

That may be true but stupid. And of course so short term oriented given how recent this was.

I haven’t notice any difference here.

Yea...its real stupid to keep beer on tap longer than 90 days, espeically when no one is purchasing it. Sounds like something Kodak tried years ago.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Tranny (I think that's what you're talking about) isn't being respectful?
Why, because a couple of syllables are dropped? Seems as if no matter
what you call a person anymore they're going to find a way to be offended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jor6jqaYQBs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny

It's mostly been used in a derogatory manner. Which is why people get offended over the use even if you meant no offense.

I'd be willing to bet that most (if not the vast majority) people don't know this and simply see it as a shortened version as the word. I don't think people really care all that much about this stuff, don't give it all that much thought despite what one might be led to believe in watching the news, talking heads...etc. Even the people who don't care about this stuff are hurting Bud Light sales as they just don't want to be seen with a can of it and drug into the discussion. This was a bad move for Bud and I really don't see this coming to an end any time soon.

Been to a few establishments and the bud light taps and kegs have all been replaced. Asked around and they said no one is drinking it.

This is what you think about when you are out?