"The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

[a fan]

again, my central concern is a government entity silencing voices. Suppression. You keep on ignoring the FBI's admission to this.

You're ignoring all the details I gave you.

You're telling me this is about truth. Yet you can't tell me why Giuliani didn't simply give the laptop to EVERYONE. Post it online. Boom, done.

He didn't do that. Why? Because he knew what would happen with TeamTinFoil....and it suckered you right in. Now you're mad at the FBI, not at TeamTrump for playing games with their claims.

You got played by TeamTrump, because they know how TeamTinFoil thinks. Wake up.

So you've figured it out, and are moving on?

TeamTrump didn't release Hunter's laptop to the world at large ON PURPOSE, to get the reaction out of their followers.

Translation: the Deep State wasn't keeping the public from seeing Hunter's laptop. Rudy Giuliani is the one who restricted public access and then yelled "Deep State!".


Nice to see you can handle reason. Tip of the hat. Enjoy this weekend's games.......

[a fan]

holy cow.

.....and , since, you already answered for me.....what IS the point of being here ?

"threatened" jeezbus, give us a friggin break. In a world where using the wrong "pronoun" constitutes assault, or some say, attempted murder, no wonder a "woke", covidian school board member would be threatened by people asking questions.

Yep. Just like I said, you want to protect nutjobs and their ability to threaten Americans when they don't get their way.

Hard pass, my man. How about you volunteer for your school district, and get a taste of it?

good luck providing evidence of which you speak. It is beyond embarrassing ............"lives threatened"
should become a mushroom farmer, so much bs.

What's the matter? Are they not covering this on Substack? The story isn't hip or contrarian enough for you and your buds?


"Reuters documented the intimidation through contacts and interviews with 33 board members across 15 states and a review of threatening and harassing messages obtained from the officials or through public records requests. The news organization found more than 220 such messages in this sampling of districts. School officials or parents in 15 different counties received or witnessed threats they considered serious enough to report to police..


Gotta witty come back? Your stance is EXACTLY what I said it was: F these school board members, they don't deserve protection, and you don't believe them.

Let's hear your neat-o rebuttal. Whatcha got? Fake news? Fear Porn?




https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... n-threats/

[old salt]

If they keep stalling long enough, any statue of limitations will expire.

This is how OS's conspiracy works.

When Trump was in charge of the DoJ for four years, with the IRS AND FBI investigating Hunter Biden?

Again: investigating Hunter for four whole years. Oh, Old Salt lectured us on the need to be patient.


Now that a little D in in the White House? He's singing a new tune, and complaining that they're "dragging their feet".

Same information....long, drawn out investigation with no charges? Two different reactions from Old Salt.


No matter what happens, it's a conspiracy. Neat, right? Gee, why don't I take his comments seriously and at face value?

Ans yet you run this marathon here with our local
Cliff claven.

afan is such a liar. I said I was willing to wait & see what the FBI & DoJ came up with on Hunter before I got sucked down into another afan hyperbolic vortex rabbit hole time sink -- not that I was ok with the investigations being slow rolled until any potential stature of limitations have expired. A distinction which exceeds afan's toddler logic.

[old salt]

Stick to the conversation at hand: we're talking about WHY folks didn't believe Giuliani's story about it being Hunter's laptop. I laid out why. You clearly don't know ANY of those details. Or you'd understand IMMEDIATELY why reasonable people called BS.

you forgot to mention that the Deep State Alumni Assn declared that it had all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation operation.

[a fan]

afan is such a liar. I said I was willing to wait & see what the FBI & DoJ came up with on Hunter before I got dragged down into another afan hyperbolic vortex rabbit hole time sink

Sorry mate, you're forgetting what you said. And you're also forgetting that YOU took us down a "hyperbolic vortex rabbit hole time sinK" with now 7 years of breathless Deep State nonsense. Now that the report is FINALLY in, and there's no evidence whatsoever of any kind of Deep State Conspiracy? You STILL refuse to just admit that there isn't a Deep State.

The best.....the VERY BEST.....you have is "the FBI opened an investigation on four people, three of whom landed felony convictions....a little early".

That's it. That's your best case Deep State.


As to you complaining about how long Mueller was taking you said....and I quote, because we all made fun of it at the time....."show me the man, and I'll show you the crime", WHINING about how long Mueller was taking. You complained about how long it took MULTIPLE TIMES as you very well know.

Now that it's Hunter, we're now on YEAR SIX of the investigation. SIX YEARS.

Do you have the same complaints you did when it was Mueller? F no.

THAT is my point. You complained about Mueller taking his sweet time when a R was the target. Now? Six years doesn't merit a peep.,

There is no "wait and see", Old Salt. The SIX YEAR INVESTIGATION has already happened. Did Hunter bring down the Twin Towers when I wasn't looking? Or can you be a grown up and admit "yeah, that's a little excessive, either charge him or move on."

The answer is no, you can't. Never so much as an inch with you.

[a fan]

Stick to the conversation at hand: we're talking about WHY folks didn't believe Giuliani's story about it being Hunter's laptop. I laid out why. You clearly don't know ANY of those details. Or you'd understand IMMEDIATELY why reasonable people called BS.

you forgot to mention that the Deep State Alumni Assn declared that it had all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation operation.

It did.

Since you're so sure of your Deep State, answer the question that RRR ran away from:

If Truthiness is what Giuliani was after, why didn't he simply post Hunter's drive on the internet?


Go ahead. I'll wait. He does that? No one can control the "story". Everyone can see it. EVERYONE.

He didn't do that. And he did it because it makes guys like you strap on the TinFoil.

It's just.......sad. You get played again, and again, and again by Trump, and come back asking for more.

[Typical Lax Dad]

afan is such a liar. I said I was willing to wait & see what the FBI & DoJ came up with on Hunter before I got dragged down into another afan hyperbolic vortex rabbit hole time sink

Sorry mate, you're forgetting what you said. And you're also forgetting that YOU took us down a "hyperbolic vortex rabbit hole time sinK" with now 7 years of breathless Deep State nonsense. Now that the report is FINALLY in, and there's no evidence whatsoever of any kind of Deep State Conspiracy? You STILL refuse to just admit that there isn't a Deep State.

The best.....the VERY BEST.....you have is "the FBI opened an investigation on four people, three of whom landed felony convictions....a little early".

That's it. That's your best case Deep State.


As to you complaining about how long Mueller was taking you said....and I quote, because we all made fun of it at the time....."show me the man, and I'll show you the crime", WHINING about how long Mueller was taking. You complained about how long it took MULTIPLE TIMES as you very well know.

Now that it's Hunter, we're now on YEAR SIX of the investigation. SIX YEARS.

Do you have the same complaints you did when it was Mueller? F no.

THAT is my point. You complained about Mueller taking his sweet time when a R was the target. Now? Six years doesn't merit a peep.,

There is no "wait and see", Old Salt. The SIX YEAR INVESTIGATION has already happened. Did Hunter bring down the Twin Towers when I wasn't looking? Or can you be a grown up and admit "yeah, that's a little excessive, either charge him or move on."

The answer is no, you can't. Never so much as an inch with you.

Process crimes…. And let’s not forget the Clinton Foundation….

[Farfromgeneva]

If they keep stalling long enough, any statue of limitations will expire.

This is how OS's conspiracy works.

When Trump was in charge of the DoJ for four years, with the IRS AND FBI investigating Hunter Biden?

Again: investigating Hunter for four whole years. Oh, Old Salt lectured us on the need to be patient.


Now that a little D in in the White House? He's singing a new tune, and complaining that they're "dragging their feet".

Same information....long, drawn out investigation with no charges? Two different reactions from Old Salt.


No matter what happens, it's a conspiracy. Neat, right? Gee, why don't I take his comments seriously and at face value?

Ans yet you run this marathon here with our local
Cliff claven.

afan is such a liar. I said I was willing to wait & see what the FBI & DoJ came up with on Hunter before I got sucked down into another afan hyperbolic vortex rabbit hole time sink -- not that I was ok with the investigations being slow rolled until any potential stature of limitations have expired. A distinction which exceeds afan's toddler logic.

You both flood the box and end up circular.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Does anyone know why the computer repair guy didn’t give the laptop to law enforcement or why Rudy didn’t suggest that the repairman turn the laptop over, when approached, in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence? Rudy was a law man and America’s mayor…. I wonder why he didn’t think of that?

[youthathletics]

Does anyone know why the computer repair guy didn’t give the laptop to law enforcement or why Rudy didn’t suggest that the repairman turn the laptop over, when approached, in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence? Rudy was a law man and America’s mayor…. I wonder why he didn’t think of that?

Why turn over the only evidence that would ultimately be destroyed and swept under the rug. The repair shop already mirrored the HD and so did the FBI, so there is corroboration established. Now everything can be disputed with the backups. There is likely DNA inside the laptop that would also link it to Hunter.

[a fan]

Does anyone know why the computer repair guy didn’t give the laptop to law enforcement

That's the best part. He DID give it to law enforcement....the FBI in Dec 2019.

But not before he made a copy, and gave it to Giuliani, of all people. Because of course he did, being the well meaning shop owner who goes through someone's private files under the presence that he "needs to do that" to make sure the computer is fixed.

.....so pretty much everything he did was sketchy. Would YOU give this man your laptop for repairs after hearing about this? Knowing he'll go through every file you have? Nope. An ethically challenged man who can't be trusted. But hey, why worry about stuff like this, and question the entire bizarre story? That's cwazy-talk!

or why Rudy didn’t suggest that the repairman turn the laptop over, when approached, in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence? Rudy was a law man and America’s mayor…. I wonder why he didn’t think of that?

You think that crosses TeamTinFoil's mind?

Gee, why would ANYONE think this whole story is incredulous? They must be NUTS to question this mess, right?

[a fan]

Does anyone know why the computer repair guy didn’t give the laptop to law enforcement or why Rudy didn’t suggest that the repairman turn the laptop over, when approached, in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence? Rudy was a law man and America’s mayor…. I wonder why he didn’t think of that?

Why turn over the only evidence that would ultimately be destroyed and swept under the rug. The repair shop already mirrored the HD and so did the FBI, so there is corroboration established. Now everything can be disputed with the backups. There is likely DNA inside the laptop that would also link it to Hunter.

So you're telling me that when you drop off your computer for repair:

A. you think it's perfectly ethical and ok for the repairman to read all your files, reading all they like? Oh, and make copies of it, to boot? This is all perfectly normal, and what you EXPECT a repair shop to do? And the "reason" they can do that is you signed waiver...even though there is ZERO reason to open any files AND read the contents?

B. you don't think the OBVIOUS SOP for abandoned computers at a repair shop is: wipe the harddrive, and resell it? Again, because someone forgets about a computer they dropped off, you think the social contract is: now he can read all your stuff? Really?

C. the repairman reads who you work for, and hand the computer over to your business rival "because the shop thinks you did bad things to them" ala handing it to the Biden family's political enemy?

Come on. This guy is a slimeball.

And that's fine, it is what it is. No one can control what this guy does.


But the context is: Gee, YA THINK that media and Intel experts might think that this entire story is buffalo bagels when they have no time, and no access to the harddrive to verify the story??

It's OBVIOUS that this story is freaking insane. And the whole story was dropped in everyone's lap THREE WEEKS before the election.

And again: Giuliani, ever the ethical lawyer, didn't just pop the thing online, for all to see. He gave it to the NYPost...where THEIR OWN WRITERS didn't believe the story, and wouldn't sign their names to the story. And no one else could check the story, because no one else had access to the copy of the harddrive before the election.

So yeah, US Intel called bullsh(t. And you guys are pretending that you just can't fathom why they called bullsh*t? on this absurd story, with no chance to verify the story??

But sure. Deep State.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Does anyone know why the computer repair guy didn’t give the laptop to law enforcement or why Rudy didn’t suggest that the repairman turn the laptop over, when approached, in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence? Rudy was a law man and America’s mayor…. I wonder why he didn’t think of that?

Why turn over the only evidence that would ultimately be destroyed and swept under the rug. The repair shop already mirrored the HD and so did the FBI, so there is corroboration established. Now everything can be disputed with the backups. There is likely DNA inside the laptop that would also link it to Hunter.

He da police? Mirrored the hard drive? Really? Who’s property is that? Don’t you need a warrant?

[old salt]

Does anyone know why the computer repair guy didn’t give the laptop to law enforcement

That's the best part. He DID give it to law enforcement....the FBI in Dec 2019.

But not before he made a copy, and gave it to Giuliani, of all people. Because of course he did, being the well meaning shop owner who goes through someone's private files under the presence that he "needs to do that" to make sure the computer is fixed.

.....so pretty much everything he did was sketchy. Would YOU give this man your laptop for repairs after hearing about this? Knowing he'll go through every file you have? Nope. An ethically challenged man who can't be trusted. But hey, why worry about stuff like this, and question the entire bizarre story? That's cwazy-talk!

or why Rudy didn’t suggest that the repairman turn the laptop over, when approached, in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence? Rudy was a law man and America’s mayor…. I wonder why he didn’t think of that?

You think that crosses TeamTinFoil's mind?

Gee, why would ANYONE think this whole story is incredulous? They must be NUTS to question this mess, right?

Wrong. Another afan & TLD lie. Check the timeline.
He didn't contact Rudy until long after he'd given the laptop to the FBI,
never heard back from them, saw Rudy on tv & then contacted him.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Does anyone know why the computer repair guy didn’t give the laptop to law enforcement

That's the best part. He DID give it to law enforcement....the FBI in Dec 2019.

But not before he made a copy, and gave it to Giuliani, of all people. Because of course he did, being the well meaning shop owner who goes through someone's private files under the presence that he "needs to do that" to make sure the computer is fixed.

.....so pretty much everything he did was sketchy. Would YOU give this man your laptop for repairs after hearing about this? Knowing he'll go through every file you have? Nope. An ethically challenged man who can't be trusted. But hey, why worry about stuff like this, and question the entire bizarre story? That's cwazy-talk!

or why Rudy didn’t suggest that the repairman turn the laptop over, when approached, in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence? Rudy was a law man and America’s mayor…. I wonder why he didn’t think of that?

You think that crosses TeamTinFoil's mind?

Gee, why would ANYONE think this whole story is incredulous? They must be NUTS to question this mess, right?

Wrong. Another afan & TLD lie. Check the timeline.
He didn't contact Rudy until long after he'd given the laptop to the FBI,
never heard back from them, saw Rudy on tv & then contacted him.

Old Serpent would know!

[youthathletics]

Does anyone know why the computer repair guy didn’t give the laptop to law enforcement

That's the best part. He DID give it to law enforcement....the FBI in Dec 2019.

But not before he made a copy, and gave it to Giuliani, of all people. Because of course he did, being the well meaning shop owner who goes through someone's private files under the presence that he "needs to do that" to make sure the computer is fixed.

.....so pretty much everything he did was sketchy. Would YOU give this man your laptop for repairs after hearing about this? Knowing he'll go through every file you have? Nope. An ethically challenged man who can't be trusted. But hey, why worry about stuff like this, and question the entire bizarre story? That's cwazy-talk!

or why Rudy didn’t suggest that the repairman turn the laptop over, when approached, in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence? Rudy was a law man and America’s mayor…. I wonder why he didn’t think of that?

You think that crosses TeamTinFoil's mind?

Gee, why would ANYONE think this whole story is incredulous? They must be NUTS to question this mess, right?

Wrong. Another afan & TLD lie. Check the timeline.
He didn't contact Rudy until long after he'd given the laptop to the FBI,
never heard back from them, saw Rudy on tv & then contacted him.

Old Serpent would know!

So you can catch up and not lie anymore. : https://time.com/6254861/hunter-biden-l ... s-charges/

What is there to know about Hunter Biden’s laptop?
The story of Hunter Biden’s laptop is a long saga.

The owner of a computer repair shop in Wilmington, Del. named John Paul Mac Isaac says that a man he believes to be Hunter Biden brought three laptops to his store in April 2019, according to an interview Mac Isaac gave to Fox News. Mac Isaac told Fox he has vision problems and “can’t be 100% sure” it was Hunter who dropped off the machines. On one of the laptops, Mac Isaac told Fox, he saw information that made him “concerned.” When the customer didn’t come back for the laptop, Isaac said an intermediary helped him reach out to the FBI. The FBI then made a copy of the laptop hard drive and later came back with a subpoena for the device itself and confiscated it, Mac Isaac told Fox. When Mac Isaac stopped hearing from the FBI, he told Fox, he eventually got in touch with Robert Costello, an attorney representing Rudy Giuliani, who has often served as Donald Trump’s personal lawyer. After that, computer files attributed to the laptop found their way to the New York Post, which published a story in October 2020 with the front page headline “Biden Secret E-mails.”

[Typical Lax Dad]

Does anyone know why the computer repair guy didn’t give the laptop to law enforcement

That's the best part. He DID give it to law enforcement....the FBI in Dec 2019.

But not before he made a copy, and gave it to Giuliani, of all people. Because of course he did, being the well meaning shop owner who goes through someone's private files under the presence that he "needs to do that" to make sure the computer is fixed.

.....so pretty much everything he did was sketchy. Would YOU give this man your laptop for repairs after hearing about this? Knowing he'll go through every file you have? Nope. An ethically challenged man who can't be trusted. But hey, why worry about stuff like this, and question the entire bizarre story? That's cwazy-talk!

or why Rudy didn’t suggest that the repairman turn the laptop over, when approached, in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence? Rudy was a law man and America’s mayor…. I wonder why he didn’t think of that?

You think that crosses TeamTinFoil's mind?

Gee, why would ANYONE think this whole story is incredulous? They must be NUTS to question this mess, right?

Wrong. Another afan & TLD lie. Check the timeline.
He didn't contact Rudy until long after he'd given the laptop to the FBI,
never heard back from them, saw Rudy on tv & then contacted him.

Old Serpent would know!

So you can catch up and not lie anymore. : https://time.com/6254861/hunter-biden-l ... s-charges/

What is there to know about Hunter Biden’s laptop?
The story of Hunter Biden’s laptop is a long saga.

The owner of a computer repair shop in Wilmington, Del. named John Paul Mac Isaac says that a man he believes to be Hunter Biden brought three laptops to his store in April 2019, according to an interview Mac Isaac gave to Fox News. Mac Isaac told Fox he has vision problems and “can’t be 100% sure” it was Hunter who dropped off the machines. On one of the laptops, Mac Isaac told Fox, he saw information that made him “concerned.” When the customer didn’t come back for the laptop, Isaac said an intermediary helped him reach out to the FBI. The FBI then made a copy of the laptop hard drive and later came back with a subpoena for the device itself and confiscated it, Mac Isaac told Fox. When Mac Isaac stopped hearing from the FBI, he told Fox, he eventually got in touch with Robert Costello, an attorney representing Rudy Giuliani, who has often served as Donald Trump’s personal lawyer. After that, computer files attributed to the laptop found their way to the New York Post, which published a story in October 2020 with the front page headline “Biden Secret E-mails.”

Thanks. I wonder why he “stopped hearing from the FBI”…In what capacity is “Rudy Giuliani” serving? I wonder what he could have saw to “raise his concern”….child pornography?

[Typical Lax Dad]

“If it’s something like child pornography or evidence that someone has been abusing children, you not only have the right but the obligation to report it.

As for other illegal things, like evidence of fraud or tax evasion or something like that. I honestly don’t know what the law says. You’d probably be within your legal rights to report it, but there might be questions about how you stumbled across it in the first place.”

[Typical Lax Dad]

Commonwealth v. Shaffer
The defendant brought his laptop computer to a computer repair shop called CompuGig. In order to obtain repair services, the defendant was required to complete CompuGig’s intake form which asked what problems the customer was experiencing. This form listed several options. The defendant marked the boxes indicating “Spyware/virus” and “Can’t get to Internet.” He also provided his login password and told the employee that his son downloaded some things and now there were a lot of pop-ups and that the internet had stopped working.

After conducting a diagnostic testing, one of CompuGig’s technicians believed that the defendant’s computer had a failing hard drive. The technician called the defendant and asked if he would consent to replacing the hard drive. The defendant consented. The technician also took an image of the hard drive so that he could transfer it to the defendant’s new hard drive. However, the technician was having difficulty transferring the files on the defendant’s old hard drive to his new one. The technician began to manually open the files on the hard drive and copy them. While doing this, the technician uncovered what he believed to be sexually explicit photos of children. It is important to note that the technician was not searching for this material and had never been asked by law enforcement to look for evidence of child pornography. After discovering this contraband, the technician notified his boss, and the store called the police.

Later that afternoon, Officer Maloney of the Cranberry Township Police Department arrived at CompuGig. The store owners advised Officer Maloney that the technicians found explicit images of young girls on the defendant’s laptop and took the officer to the room where the technician had been working on the computer. Officer Maloney then asked to see the images that the technician had found. The technician, using the “exact route taken to find the images” which he had used earlier, showed Officer Maloney the pictures. After viewing these images, Officer Maloney directed the technician to “shut down the file,” and he seized the laptop, external hard drive copy, and power cord.

Detective Irvin of the Cranberry Township Police Department went to the defendant’s home and questioned him. The defendant admitted to having some images on his computer depicting children as young as eight years old in sexually explicit positions. He also identified the folders where these images were stored. Detective Irvin met with the defendant again and obtained a written inculpatory statement regarding the pictures on his computer.

Prosecutors charged the defendant with possession of child pornography and criminal use of a communication facility. The defendant then filed a pretrial omnibus motion to suppress the contraband images discovered on the hard drive of his laptop computer.

Can Police Search Your Computer Without A Warrant If The Store Found the Illegal Images First?
In his Motion to Suppress, the defendant argued that the police illegally searched his computer when Officer Maloney directed the technician to open the defendant’s computer files and display the suspected contraband images and then subsequently seized the laptop and the copy of the external hard drive. Further, he argued that the police conduct constituted a warrantless search of his laptop in violation of his reasonable expectation of privacy, as well as a trespass upon his property in violation of both the Pennsylvania and United States Constitutions. He also argued that his statements that he made to the detective were the fruit of the poisonous tree and should also be suppressed.

In response, the Commonwealth argued that the defendant abandoned his expectation of privacy in the computer files stored on the laptop. Notably, the Commonwealth did not argue the private search doctrine. Instead, the Commonwealth focused primarily on the Pennsylvania Superior Court’s decision in Commonwealth v. Sodomsky. The facts of Sodomsky were very similar to those in the defendant’s case. In Sodomsky, the Superior Court held that the defendant in that case had no reasonable expectation of privacy in his illegal computer files. The Sodomsky Court held that individuals do maintain a privacy interest in some things that are accessible to the public and thus can be constitutionally protected. Therefore, it is a very fact specific inquiry to determine whether a defendant abandoned his privacy interest. In Sodomsky, the Superior Court held that the defendant abandoned his interest because the computer employees informed him that the operability of his computer would be tested and that he did not inquire as to the manner of testing or restrict the employee’s access to the location of the illicit files. They also emphasized that the defendant did not delete the photos from his computer even though he turned it over to the police.

The trial court denied the defendant’s motion to suppress. The trial court held that the defendant abandoned his expectation of privacy when he requested repairs on his computer related to complaints of a virus and an inability to use the Internet and consented to the replacement of his hard drive. The trial court also rejected the defendant’s trespass argument because the technician was engaged in conduct permitted by the defendant when the files were discovered and thus there was no trespass on the defendant’s effects. The defendant then proceeded by way of a bench trial where he was found guilty. He was sentenced to six to twelve months of incarceration, followed by 156 months of probation. The defendant then filed a timely appeal.

[a fan]

Wrong. Another afan & TLD lie. Check the timeline.
He didn't contact Rudy until long after he'd given the laptop to the FBI,
never heard back from them, saw Rudy on tv & then contacted him.

That's one way of reading that sentence. You and I have discussed this before. Do you think I don't know WHEN he gave it to Giuliani?

It's Immaterial to the discussion WHEN. It's THAT he did it at all.

It's all nuts. And YOU know it.

And....assuming you believe his story, he gave it to Giuliani AFTER he gave it to the FBI.

And all we have is both Giuliani and the store owners word that that happened.