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It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
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hoo says it's a problem?
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August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.
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keno in reno wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.
What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A free time physical activity? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs
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August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm
keno in reno wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.
What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A physical activity while preparing for business school? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs
Your description of Yale is so dumb that it ends this thread right there.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 8:39 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm
keno in reno wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.
What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A physical activity while preparing for business school? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs
Your description of Yale is so dumb that it ends this thread right there.
Have you watched yale play recently. Its like recess or PE class where every kid feels entitled to an easy A for showing up and being a robot. Its pathetic. Yale- has lacrosse, look busy, lift weights, box checked. They were terrible this year. Just terrible.
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August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm
keno in reno wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.
What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A free time physical activity? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs
ND under Corrigan has always been a physical team that plays strong defense. That is their identity. It’s as dependable as death and taxes.

I happen to agree with you on Yale. Shay teams used to be known as tough physical teams. I don’t see any of that recently. Last few teams look nothing like those teams that were competing for titles. Feels like they have lost their identity.

Cuse is way too early to make assumptions. It does look like he is putting together an exciting brand of offensive lacrosse. Similar to the old Cuse offenses that Gait is very familiar with. Check back in 3-4 years and maybe you will be right or wrong, we will find out.

You are confusing identity with culture, talent, and success.
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August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm
keno in reno wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.
What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A free time physical activity? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs
You really seem lost August. There are few if any programs that have had an identity as strongly as Cuse. Yes! Flash and shoot. It is one thing to say an approach is not currently working. It is completely different to say that there isn’t one. And to disparage Notre Dame (who I strongly dislike) as chasing shiny objects while praising….Georgetown? Georgetown? A slapped together all-star team of shiny objects who flames out yet again early in the tourney. Not to say Yale can’t win like UNC did in 16….or like f’ing Yale did in 18? Yale, who has been to the championship game in 2 of the last 4 seasons they played? Maybe someday, if they get it dialed in, they might stumble upon the success Delaware has had. Clown post.
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I'd argue thar Cornell has a strong culture of lacrosse. I'd define it as "a lacrosse player's lacrosse culture". It's not flashy, but it's substantive. The program has ups and downs, but is generally competitive. As noted in another thread, several former Cornell coaches led teams to the NCAA Tournament this year.

Cornell's program is primarily funded by alums, parents and friends, so it has a different feel to it than UVA, Duke or the other schools mentioned. While there has been coaching turnover, the essence of the program has remained remarkably consistent. I'd point to the Cornell AA selections, USILA inductees and Tewaaraton finalists and winners as examples of a strong culture and representation within the lacrosse community.
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faircornell wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 10:58 pm I'd argue thar Cornell has a strong culture of lacrosse. I'd define it as "a lacrosse player's lacrosse culture". It's not flashy, but it's substantive. The program has ups and downs, but is generally competitive. As noted in another thread, several former Cornell coaches led teams to the NCAA Tournament this year.

Cornell's program is primarily funded by alums, parents and friends, so it has a different feel to it than UVA, Duke or the other schools mentioned. While there has been coaching turnover, the essence of the program has remained remarkably consistent. I'd point to the Cornell AA selections, USILA inductees and Tewaaraton finalists and winners as examples of a strong culture and representation within the lacrosse community.
Cornell’s lacrosse culture kinda reminds me of the Green Bay Packers. A small-town team with rabid fans and traditions that go back further than a half-century. It’s just a matter of time before Cornell wins another national championship.

Oh, and Hopkins is going to steal your head coach someday. Just sayin’ ….

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keno in reno wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.
I’m with you,

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pcowlax wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 10:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm
keno in reno wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.
What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A free time physical activity? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs
You really seem lost August. There are few if any programs that have had an identity as strongly as Cuse. Yes! Flash and shoot. It is one thing to say an approach is not currently working. It is completely different to say that there isn’t one. And to disparage Notre Dame (who I strongly dislike) as chasing shiny objects while praising….Georgetown? Georgetown? A slapped together all-star team of shiny objects who flames out yet again early in the tourney. Not to say Yale can’t win like UNC did in 16….or like f’ing Yale did in 18? Yale, who has been to the championship game in 2 of the last 4 seasons they played? Maybe someday, if they get it dialed in, they might stumble upon the success Delaware has had. Clown post.
If I start a reply with "Maybe I should ignore this thread, but ..." I should really be listening to my inner voice, but I agree that this year, 'Cuse did have a flash and shoot culture, that sometimes really looked amazing. But it looks nothing like the old run-and-gun that I remember from a generation ago.
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“Yale-a physical activity before business school”

Was edited but can be seen in my quote of it.

This post had a petty agenda in it from the jump as evidenced by that language alone.
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44WeWantMore wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 5:54 am
pcowlax wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 10:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm
keno in reno wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm
August wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.
I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.
What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A free time physical activity? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs
You really seem lost August. There are few if any programs that have had an identity as strongly as Cuse. Yes! Flash and shoot. It is one thing to say an approach is not currently working. It is completely different to say that there isn’t one. And to disparage Notre Dame (who I strongly dislike) as chasing shiny objects while praising….Georgetown? Georgetown? A slapped together all-star team of shiny objects who flames out yet again early in the tourney. Not to say Yale can’t win like UNC did in 16….or like f’ing Yale did in 18? Yale, who has been to the championship game in 2 of the last 4 seasons they played? Maybe someday, if they get it dialed in, they might stumble upon the success Delaware has had. Clown post.
If I start a reply with "Maybe I should ignore this thread, but ..." I should really be listening to my inner voice, but I agree that this year, 'Cuse did have a flash and shoot culture, that sometimes really looked amazing. But it looks nothing like the old run-and-gun that I remember from a generation ago.
If Cuse finds some reliable fogos and has a higher possession %, you'll see more "run & gun." Right now, big "if."
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DocBarrister wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 11:22 pm
faircornell wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 10:58 pm I'd argue thar Cornell has a strong culture of lacrosse. I'd define it as "a lacrosse player's lacrosse culture". It's not flashy, but it's substantive. The program has ups and downs, but is generally competitive. As noted in another thread, several former Cornell coaches led teams to the NCAA Tournament this year.

Cornell's program is primarily funded by alums, parents and friends, so it has a different feel to it than UVA, Duke or the other schools mentioned. While there has been coaching turnover, the essence of the program has remained remarkably consistent. I'd point to the Cornell AA selections, USILA inductees and Tewaaraton finalists and winners as examples of a strong culture and representation within the lacrosse community.
Cornell’s lacrosse culture kinda reminds me of the Green Bay Packers. A small-town team with rabid fans and traditions that go back further than a half-century. It’s just a matter of time before Cornell wins another national championship.

Oh, and Hopkins is going to steal your head coach someday. Just sayin’ ….

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DocBarrister wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 11:22 pm
faircornell wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 10:58 pm I'd argue thar Cornell has a strong culture of lacrosse. I'd define it as "a lacrosse player's lacrosse culture". It's not flashy, but it's substantive. The program has ups and downs, but is generally competitive. As noted in another thread, several former Cornell coaches led teams to the NCAA Tournament this year.

Cornell's program is primarily funded by alums, parents and friends, so it has a different feel to it than UVA, Duke or the other schools mentioned. While there has been coaching turnover, the essence of the program has remained remarkably consistent. I'd point to the Cornell AA selections, USILA inductees and Tewaaraton finalists and winners as examples of a strong culture and representation within the lacrosse community.
Cornell’s lacrosse culture kinda reminds me of the Green Bay Packers. A small-town team with rabid fans and traditions that go back further than a half-century. It’s just a matter of time before Cornell wins another national championship.

Oh, and Hopkins is going to steal your head coach someday. Just sayin’ ….

DocBarrister ;)
The best film that I have ever seen that encapsulates Cornell sports fans in Ithaca is "Mystery Alaska". It's not as specific as Love Story, but it captures the spirit better.

For many years Richie Moran featured the 1974 Cornell vs Hopkins game crowd at the Crescent stadium at Schoelllopf Field on the front of the Press Guide. The game had been hyped in Sports Illustrated and the crowd filled the stands on both sides of the field. It was an amazing time for the Cornell vs Hopkins rivalry.
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CU88a wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 11:13 am
DocBarrister wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 11:22 pm
faircornell wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 10:58 pm I'd argue thar Cornell has a strong culture of lacrosse. I'd define it as "a lacrosse player's lacrosse culture". It's not flashy, but it's substantive. The program has ups and downs, but is generally competitive. As noted in another thread, several former Cornell coaches led teams to the NCAA Tournament this year.

Cornell's program is primarily funded by alums, parents and friends, so it has a different feel to it than UVA, Duke or the other schools mentioned. While there has been coaching turnover, the essence of the program has remained remarkably consistent. I'd point to the Cornell AA selections, USILA inductees and Tewaaraton finalists and winners as examples of a strong culture and representation within the lacrosse community.
Cornell’s lacrosse culture kinda reminds me of the Green Bay Packers. A small-town team with rabid fans and traditions that go back further than a half-century. It’s just a matter of time before Cornell wins another national championship.

Oh, and Hopkins is going to steal your head coach someday. Just sayin’ ….

DocBarrister ;)
:lol:

Well said, until that bit about our coach! ;)
Well Tambroni poaches our recruits so it could be worse. At least we gave you Kerwick for a few years.
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This has got to be the dumbest thread in the brief history of Fanlax...I just wasted 3 minutes of my life skimming it!!
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FMUBart wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:29 pm This has got to be the dumbest thread in the brief history of Fanlax...I just wasted 3 minutes of my life skimming it!!
There’s some competition but a strong effort put forth for sure.
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Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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FMUBart wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:29 pm This has got to be the dumbest thread in the brief history of Fanlax...I just wasted 3 minutes of my life skimming it!!
https://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c
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