Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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Who wins a spot in the Final Four?

Johns Hopkins
19
34%
Notre Dame
37
66%
 
Total votes: 56

Big Dog
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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"As the Wizard said "Play fast - don't hurry""

Small nit, it was "Be quick but don't hurry" (which applies to sports as well as life)
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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Finster wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 11:51 am
Sagittarius A* wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 8:39 am It's really hard to beat a first team AA goalie.
And if he's got an elite defenseman in front of him like Chris Fake, then it's doubly hard, especially if he can hold Angelus or Melendez in check.
You have to move the goalie. Passes across the crease, skip passes, things that make him move in goal are the way to beat him.
Jays really need to play team offense and wait for quality shots. They need to keep the ball moving and avoid low angle shots. The Jays need to ride hard, break some clears, and get some transition goals. Difficult, not impossible.
Hopefully, ND will be looking past them to UVA.



I agree about shot quality. That’s why Hop should limit the time of a Grimes, who every time I see him shoot, it’s an outside heater with feet firmly planted. That is truly the bread and butter save of Liam Entenmann.

Hopkins needs foot movement and smart shooters.
Blue Jays need to play to their own strengths, or at least they need to try. They can’t simply assume Entenmann will save those shots. They need to test him. If Entenmann makes those saves, then adjust and try something else.

Blue Jays have their share of offensive weapons. They need to have confidence in those weapons and at least try to play their game.

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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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QK says that ND is a "prohibitive favorite" Sunday.

https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenich ... s-preview/
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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Sagittarius A* wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 3:50 pm QK says that ND is a "prohibitive favorite" Sunday.

https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenich ... s-preview/
they are 4.5 pt dogs, largest line of the weekend. +370 = 21% chance, but there is vig in there, so call it high teens probability according Vegas.
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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“vig in there”

:lol:
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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10stone5 wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 4:51 pm “vig in there”

:lol:
there is..
+370= 21.28%
-600= 85.71

21.28%+85.71%= 107%

Vegas has to eat.
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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coda wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 5:02 pm
10stone5 wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 4:51 pm “vig in there”

:lol:
there is..
+370= 21.28%
-600= 85.71

21.28%+85.71%= 107%

Vegas has to eat.
As long as its not any “Good Fellas” vig.
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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Caused turnovers- ND 5th in NCAA D1 stats . Hopkins w high efficiency in TOP. Along w Entenmann another plus for ND.
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I’m calling this Johns Hopkins 14, ND 13.

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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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To win this game I think the Blue Jays will need at least:

(1) 15 saves in goal,

(2) half the FOs and gbs, and

(3) 14 or fewer TOs.

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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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Think the Jays cover. Doubt they win but, can always hope. :shock:
I believe that if life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade... And try to find somebody whose life has given them vodka, and have a party.
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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Terry Foy and Ty Xanders are picking the Blue Jays to beat ND.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... wins/61550

Should be a hard-fought game.

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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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I’m sure I’ll be accused as a hater or some petty nonsense but I don’t see this one being much better than Mich fared vs Duke yesterday.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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coda wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 5:02 pm
10stone5 wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 4:51 pm “vig in there”

:lol:
there is..
+370= 21.28%
-600= 85.71

21.28%+85.71%= 107%

Vegas has to eat.
Eat better than payday lenders and check cashing businesses…
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 7:02 am I’m sure I’ll be accused as a hater or some petty nonsense but I don’t see this one being much better than Mich fared vs Duke yesterday.
IL's coverage has used the nd stat that they've given most of their opponents their worst loss of the season so far so could get ugly if it goes against Hopkins.
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I’m sticking with my admittedly less than totally rational pick of Hopkins to pull off the upset.
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To some degree there's a matter of averages and probabilities and those don't favor Hopkins. Notre Dame averages 46 shots per game and puts 62% of those on goal. That's 28.5 shots on goal - So even if Marcille has a pretty good day at the office with Doc B's 15 saves - I almost never say this but he's right on point 15 would appear to be the absolute minimum required for an upset - that means Notre Dame is putting up 13-14 on the scoreboard and can Hopkins get to one more? ND has given up 15 in one game - 12 in 3 others - rational thinking says something quite unusual has to happen. If you won 75% of the face-offs and didn't turn the ball over alot - Marcille stands on his head with 19-20 saves - it's hard to see a consistent path. Hoping for it - but as a wise man once told me "Hope is a $#!++^ hedge". UVA has the key which is taking the brothers out of the game - have to come up with that formula. As I said before - tell me how many points they have and I'll be able to tell yo whether Hopkins was in the game or not.
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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51percentcorn wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 9:02 am To some degree there's a matter of averages and probabilities and those don't favor Hopkins. Notre Dame averages 46 shots per game and puts 62% of those on goal. That's 28.5 shots on goal - So even if Marcille has a pretty good day at the office with Doc B's 15 saves - I almost never say this but he's right on point 15 would appear to be the absolute minimum required for an upset - that means Notre Dame is putting up 13-14 on the scoreboard and can Hopkins get to one more? ND has given up 15 in one game - 12 in 3 others - rational thinking says something quite unusual has to happen. If you won 75% of the face-offs and didn't turn the ball over alot - Marcille stands on his head with 19-20 saves - it's hard to see a consistent path. Hoping for it - but as a wise man once told me "Hope is a $#!++^ hedge". UVA has the key which is taking the brothers out of the game - have to come up with that formula. As I said before - tell me how many points they have and I'll be able to tell yo whether Hopkins was in the game or not.
My opinion Hopkins needs to win the special teams. I characterize Goalie, Faceoff, and Clear/ride as special teams. ND struggles at the X, but they do a good job of making it a 50/50 ball and making those 60/40 balls. Then there is a the Kavanaugh factor. They seem to convert 3-5 goals from balls off the ground a game. Clean up rebounds on the 1st attempt and clear efficiently. You can’t allow those Kavanaugh effort goals, if you want to pull the upset. Also need to push the ball and get transition goals. ND always plays good 6 v 6 defense. Scoring before they can settle in a on defense will be big for Hop
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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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DocBarrister wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 6:14 am Terry Foy and Ty Xanders are picking the Blue Jays to beat ND.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... wins/61550

Should be a hard-fought game.

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Re: Johns Hopkins vs. Notre Dame

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molo wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 8:13 am I’m sticking with my admittedly less than totally rational pick of Hopkins to pull off the upset.
Why do you suggest it would be an upset ???
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