Tewaaraton Finalist

[DMac]

Glad you got a chuckle out of it all, rd, enjoy your game.
Led the ACC in shots taken, 20 some odd percent success
rate, 12 assists for the season...I know what I saw. Oh, and
GO BULLDOGS!!!!

[Atticus]

I heard he made the Tewaarton Final 5 though.

[rolldodge]

Glad you got a chuckle out of it all, rd, enjoy your game.
Led the ACC in shots taken, 20 some odd percent success
rate, 12 assists for the season...I know what I saw. Oh, and
GO BULLDOGS!!!!

It's too bad Syracuse and Georgetown no longer play each other. One of the better rivalries in sports. Maybe GGait can add them to the schedule next year to bolster their RPI.

[Finster]

I heard he made the Tewaarton Final 5 though.

Like a one-man crime wave, if we’re being honest.

[Farfromgeneva]

Light shooting day for Tucker in that one, only managed 11 shots (led the team), put 3 in....nary an assist.
Curry with 10 shots, put 4 in, one assist.
Whole rest of the team took 21 shots.
A 4-10 season...we don't share the rock.

You sound like a jealous ex-girlfriend

When a guy takes a record 163 shots and cans only 29%, leading to a 4-10 season, it’s more than fair to question the player.

It’s still stunning to see Dordevic in the final five this year over Dickson. What an amazing failure by the Tewaaraton committee. Dickson must be wondering this morning ‘hey committee, what else did you want me to do?’

Not after he graduated and left and is playing for another team off the schedule and ooc. The whole season of it was but silly or worse. Going on and on. Who cares he’s gone

It was the D and goalie not TD who was the problem. Hobart didn’t score 16 on Dordevic last year in the Dome and could’ve had more…

[Farfromgeneva]

Adler's a great player, but the Ivy League was weak this year. He may be the best player as evidenced by the PLL draft. However, shutting down the best players on middle of the road teams from a weak conference will not and should not get a defender into the Tewey finals.

Dordevic has no business being on the list. 46 of his points have come in the last month against weak competition. The kid can play, but his play has not warranted consideration for the Tewey. Dickson would have been a far more deserving choice given he racked up points against a far harder schedule.

The Committee must have felt like they had to put someone from Virginia so they picked the best player by reputation and potential. I strongly disagree with the Shellenberger nomination. The guy has all the potential in the world, but production matters and he hasn't produced. He should be commended for playing through injuries, but those injuries should not be used to prop up what has been lackluster performance. Feels like the Committee has him on the list in case Virginia goes on a run to the championship as a hedge.

O'Neill plays lacrosse like Shaq played basketball, except O'Neill doesn't foul every play. Hard to see how he doesn't win it.

B.S. The Ivy League has 4 teams in the top 20 RPI and 3 out of 17 teams in the tourney. With 9 leagues receiving an AQ plus 5 ACC teams competing for 8 at-large bids, the Ivy league received 25% of the at-large bids and more than 1/6 of all bids. Adler shut down the top scorer in each game. Adler (and Kirst), both legit 1st Team AAs, likely unanimously, and candidates for the Schmeisser, Turnbull & Ennis awards are legit. Enough said.

ACC was far and away the best conference. Big 10 was the second best. Ivy was clear #3 based on the season. ACC had 60% of their conference receive at-large bids and those 3 received a top 3 seeding. Big 10 had 66.7% of the league make the tournament and 50% of the conference receive at-large bids, Ivy had 43% of their conference make the tournament and 28.7% receive at-large bids. Ivy's highest seed was an 8 seed, both the ACC and Big 10 had 3 teams seeded inside of 8

ACC isn't a "conference" in lacrosse. Cornell played Yale twice and Marquette which beat Penn State. Cornell was in the top 5 on Massey for most of the season and is #6 on Massey today. Cornell is sufficiently well-ranked for its players to command respect here & by the Tewaaraton Foundation.

the acc is absolutely a conference in lacrosse.

i agree it's weird for anyone to believe cornell or ivies don't carry sufficient competition. plus this topic is about an individual award, and i'm pretty sure who players play already factors in to selection. not to mention all the stats cited (and a basis for those tapped) are piled up vs all sorts of competition.

If the ACC were a "conference" it would have an AQ. According to the NCAA, to be a conference, 6 teams are required. They only have 5.

So every dictate the NCAA has ever made you stand by 100% ride or die?

The NCAA is always right the their definitions, structure and analysis? Otherwise give me a real reason to describe the ACC as not a conference in lacrosse?

Oh..I see now, the definition of conference requires an automatic qualifier rather than an automatic qualifier being a function of having a conference that has a certain threshold of members. But wait I just used conference in the prior sentence…conference is a precedent to minimum number required to obtain an automatic qualifier. Seem straightforward this is a weak argument for dining a conference-whether the NCAA blesses it with an AQ or not. NAIA schools must all be independent.

[Farfromgeneva]

Glad you got a chuckle out of it all, rd, enjoy your game.
Led the ACC in shots taken, 20 some odd percent success
rate, 12 assists for the season...I know what I saw. Oh, and
GO BULLDOGS!!!!

It's too bad Syracuse and Georgetown no longer play each other. One of the better rivalries in sports. Maybe GGait can add them to the schedule next year to bolster their RPI.

Wasn’t a lot of that post big East a function of the Desko-Urick relationship?

[ny10458]

Light shooting day for Tucker in that one, only managed 11 shots (led the team), put 3 in....nary an assist.
Curry with 10 shots, put 4 in, one assist.
Whole rest of the team took 21 shots.
A 4-10 season...we don't share the rock.

You sound like a jealous ex-girlfriend

When a guy takes a record 163 shots and cans only 29%, leading to a 4-10 season, it’s more than fair to question the player.

It’s still stunning to see Dordevic in the final five this year over Dickson. What an amazing failure by the Tewaaraton committee. Dickson must be wondering this morning ‘hey committee, what else did you want me to do?’

Found another one

[laxfan1313]

Adler's a great player, but the Ivy League was weak this year. He may be the best player as evidenced by the PLL draft. However, shutting down the best players on middle of the road teams from a weak conference will not and should not get a defender into the Tewey finals.

Dordevic has no business being on the list. 46 of his points have come in the last month against weak competition. The kid can play, but his play has not warranted consideration for the Tewey. Dickson would have been a far more deserving choice given he racked up points against a far harder schedule.

The Committee must have felt like they had to put someone from Virginia so they picked the best player by reputation and potential. I strongly disagree with the Shellenberger nomination. The guy has all the potential in the world, but production matters and he hasn't produced. He should be commended for playing through injuries, but those injuries should not be used to prop up what has been lackluster performance. Feels like the Committee has him on the list in case Virginia goes on a run to the championship as a hedge.

O'Neill plays lacrosse like Shaq played basketball, except O'Neill doesn't foul every play. Hard to see how he doesn't win it.

B.S. The Ivy League has 4 teams in the top 20 RPI and 3 out of 17 teams in the tourney. With 9 leagues receiving an AQ plus 5 ACC teams competing for 8 at-large bids, the Ivy league received 25% of the at-large bids and more than 1/6 of all bids. Adler shut down the top scorer in each game. Adler (and Kirst), both legit 1st Team AAs, likely unanimously, and candidates for the Schmeisser, Turnbull & Ennis awards are legit. Enough said.

ACC was far and away the best conference. Big 10 was the second best. Ivy was clear #3 based on the season. ACC had 60% of their conference receive at-large bids and those 3 received a top 3 seeding. Big 10 had 66.7% of the league make the tournament and 50% of the conference receive at-large bids, Ivy had 43% of their conference make the tournament and 28.7% receive at-large bids. Ivy's highest seed was an 8 seed, both the ACC and Big 10 had 3 teams seeded inside of 8

ACC isn't a "conference" in lacrosse. Cornell played Yale twice and Marquette which beat Penn State. Cornell was in the top 5 on Massey for most of the season and is #6 on Massey today. Cornell is sufficiently well-ranked for its players to command respect here & by the Tewaaraton Foundation.

the acc is absolutely a conference in lacrosse.

i agree it's weird for anyone to believe cornell or ivies don't carry sufficient competition. plus this topic is about an individual award, and i'm pretty sure who players play already factors in to selection. not to mention all the stats cited (and a basis for those tapped) are piled up vs all sorts of competition.

If the ACC were a "conference" it would have an AQ. According to the NCAA, to be a conference, 6 teams are required. They only have 5.

So every dictate the NCAA has ever made you stand by 100% ride or die?

The NCAA is always right the their definitions, structure and analysis? Otherwise give me a real reason to describe the ACC as not a conference in lacrosse?

Oh..I see now, the definition of conference requires an automatic qualifier rather than an automatic qualifier being a function of having a conference that has a certain threshold of members. But wait I just used conference in the prior sentence…conference is a precedent to minimum number required to obtain an automatic qualifier. Seem straightforward this is a weak argument for dining a conference-whether the NCAA blesses it with an AQ or not. NAIA schools must all be independent.

The NCAA's definition applies to the lacrosse bracket. The ACC should sign up a 6th team and it can receive an AQ.

[Farfromgeneva]

Adler's a great player, but the Ivy League was weak this year. He may be the best player as evidenced by the PLL draft. However, shutting down the best players on middle of the road teams from a weak conference will not and should not get a defender into the Tewey finals.

Dordevic has no business being on the list. 46 of his points have come in the last month against weak competition. The kid can play, but his play has not warranted consideration for the Tewey. Dickson would have been a far more deserving choice given he racked up points against a far harder schedule.

The Committee must have felt like they had to put someone from Virginia so they picked the best player by reputation and potential. I strongly disagree with the Shellenberger nomination. The guy has all the potential in the world, but production matters and he hasn't produced. He should be commended for playing through injuries, but those injuries should not be used to prop up what has been lackluster performance. Feels like the Committee has him on the list in case Virginia goes on a run to the championship as a hedge.

O'Neill plays lacrosse like Shaq played basketball, except O'Neill doesn't foul every play. Hard to see how he doesn't win it.

B.S. The Ivy League has 4 teams in the top 20 RPI and 3 out of 17 teams in the tourney. With 9 leagues receiving an AQ plus 5 ACC teams competing for 8 at-large bids, the Ivy league received 25% of the at-large bids and more than 1/6 of all bids. Adler shut down the top scorer in each game. Adler (and Kirst), both legit 1st Team AAs, likely unanimously, and candidates for the Schmeisser, Turnbull & Ennis awards are legit. Enough said.

ACC was far and away the best conference. Big 10 was the second best. Ivy was clear #3 based on the season. ACC had 60% of their conference receive at-large bids and those 3 received a top 3 seeding. Big 10 had 66.7% of the league make the tournament and 50% of the conference receive at-large bids, Ivy had 43% of their conference make the tournament and 28.7% receive at-large bids. Ivy's highest seed was an 8 seed, both the ACC and Big 10 had 3 teams seeded inside of 8

ACC isn't a "conference" in lacrosse. Cornell played Yale twice and Marquette which beat Penn State. Cornell was in the top 5 on Massey for most of the season and is #6 on Massey today. Cornell is sufficiently well-ranked for its players to command respect here & by the Tewaaraton Foundation.

the acc is absolutely a conference in lacrosse.

i agree it's weird for anyone to believe cornell or ivies don't carry sufficient competition. plus this topic is about an individual award, and i'm pretty sure who players play already factors in to selection. not to mention all the stats cited (and a basis for those tapped) are piled up vs all sorts of competition.

If the ACC were a "conference" it would have an AQ. According to the NCAA, to be a conference, 6 teams are required. They only have 5.

So every dictate the NCAA has ever made you stand by 100% ride or die?

The NCAA is always right the their definitions, structure and analysis? Otherwise give me a real reason to describe the ACC as not a conference in lacrosse?

Oh..I see now, the definition of conference requires an automatic qualifier rather than an automatic qualifier being a function of having a conference that has a certain threshold of members. But wait I just used conference in the prior sentence…conference is a precedent to minimum number required to obtain an automatic qualifier. Seem straightforward this is a weak argument for dining a conference-whether the NCAA blesses it with an AQ or not. NAIA schools must all be independent.

The NCAA's definition applies to the lacrosse bracket. The ACC should sign up a 6th team and it can receive an AQ.

So I can find the definition of conference to mean recipient of an AQ right?

It’s a conference in lacrosse. Just not qualifying. At other levels Ive seen conferences without an AQ in various sports. The AQ flat out does not define a conference. Pool B was used extensively for near two decades for small football conferences. They still called them conferences.

What I’m saying is that it’s completely incorrect to describe the ACC as “not a conference in lacrosse”. Just wrong. The definition of conference in no way requires eligibility for a NCAA Automatic Qualifier as a condition precedent. Not at all in any way shape or form. It’s just wrong to make the statement you made.

Aside from your pettiness in the comment, which is fine I don’t care about the ACC, this is important because the NCAA AQ system that I can appreciate also has bastardized the concept of conferences tot he point they don’t matter. Once FBS goes to 60 odd schools and that’s it conferences will have zero value. No similar relationships or commons bonds, that’s all going away, so actually having a group not stay together solely for the sake of an auto bid (like Hop running to the big ten and the twisting themselves to prove they are similar institutionally to Nebraska, OSU etc) is a good not a bad thing.

[wgdsr]

Adler's a great player, but the Ivy League was weak this year. He may be the best player as evidenced by the PLL draft. However, shutting down the best players on middle of the road teams from a weak conference will not and should not get a defender into the Tewey finals.

Dordevic has no business being on the list. 46 of his points have come in the last month against weak competition. The kid can play, but his play has not warranted consideration for the Tewey. Dickson would have been a far more deserving choice given he racked up points against a far harder schedule.

The Committee must have felt like they had to put someone from Virginia so they picked the best player by reputation and potential. I strongly disagree with the Shellenberger nomination. The guy has all the potential in the world, but production matters and he hasn't produced. He should be commended for playing through injuries, but those injuries should not be used to prop up what has been lackluster performance. Feels like the Committee has him on the list in case Virginia goes on a run to the championship as a hedge.

O'Neill plays lacrosse like Shaq played basketball, except O'Neill doesn't foul every play. Hard to see how he doesn't win it.

B.S. The Ivy League has 4 teams in the top 20 RPI and 3 out of 17 teams in the tourney. With 9 leagues receiving an AQ plus 5 ACC teams competing for 8 at-large bids, the Ivy league received 25% of the at-large bids and more than 1/6 of all bids. Adler shut down the top scorer in each game. Adler (and Kirst), both legit 1st Team AAs, likely unanimously, and candidates for the Schmeisser, Turnbull & Ennis awards are legit. Enough said.

ACC was far and away the best conference. Big 10 was the second best. Ivy was clear #3 based on the season. ACC had 60% of their conference receive at-large bids and those 3 received a top 3 seeding. Big 10 had 66.7% of the league make the tournament and 50% of the conference receive at-large bids, Ivy had 43% of their conference make the tournament and 28.7% receive at-large bids. Ivy's highest seed was an 8 seed, both the ACC and Big 10 had 3 teams seeded inside of 8

ACC isn't a "conference" in lacrosse. Cornell played Yale twice and Marquette which beat Penn State. Cornell was in the top 5 on Massey for most of the season and is #6 on Massey today. Cornell is sufficiently well-ranked for its players to command respect here & by the Tewaaraton Foundation.

the acc is absolutely a conference in lacrosse.

i agree it's weird for anyone to believe cornell or ivies don't carry sufficient competition. plus this topic is about an individual award, and i'm pretty sure who players play already factors in to selection. not to mention all the stats cited (and a basis for those tapped) are piled up vs all sorts of competition.

If the ACC were a "conference" it would have an AQ. According to the NCAA, to be a conference, 6 teams are required. They only have 5.

that's incorrect. to be a conference that gets an aq, said conference needs to have at least 6 teams. conferences that don't have 6 teams just don't get an aq. that verbiage is in the rules.

looking forward to them going back to a conference tournament next year.

[CU77]

Also, the rule to avoid first-round match-ups between conference members does not apply to conferences that do not get an AQ. Thus we had UMd @ UNC in the first round in 2011, when the ACC was those two plus Duke and UVa.

[NNELax]

First guy drafted in the PLL.

No one is suggesting he isn’t an excellent player. McConvey at Virginia was 1st pick in the MLL draft and he might be the 4th best option on offense at Virginia. He has also often been shorted this season.

But you are. And it is pretty apparent that you haven't watched him play much this season. He shut down Lehigh's Scott Cole, Princeton's Coulter Mackesey (neither of whom registered a single point) and Matt Brandau, three of the top 20 scorers in lax this season. He handled other players as well, but you had to watch the games to see it. You are the lone voice with this opinion. Every single other person in the lax world - and on this board - is singing his praises. Adler has put together back to back seasons that are as good as any defenseman I have ever seen, and I am not alone with that view. He forces teams to scheme around him and teams are taking their best offensive player and taking him out of the offense to neutralize Adler - kind of a reverse intentional lock off.

You Cornell guys crack me up! Any questioning about whether Adler or Kirst is top 5 in line for the Teewarton and it’s a personal slight of the greatest magnitude. Wonder if there will be a bunch of slit wrists if Duke or Michigan beats them? IMO, No team is safe even in the 1st round and i mean none

You are too easily amused. I'm guessing you're about 8 years old. Duke shouldn't overlook Delaware and Cornell will show up on Sunday. Re the Tewaaraton trophy, it looks close between Kirst and O'Neill. The same re the Turnbull.

These guys definitely make it easy to root against Cornell...

Your rooting against anyone won't impact any game.

Holy Crap! You're right! I knew you Cornell guys were smart!!!

[joewillie78]

Smart? Most of us would have to lose 20 IQ points to be considered smart!!!.
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Joewillie78

[Farfromgeneva]

Smart? Most of us would have to lose 20 IQ points to be considered smart!!!.
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Joewillie78

Says the lifelong Jets fan..

[10stone5]

You had to go there.

[joewillie78]

Smart? Most of us would have to lose 20 IQ points to be considered smart!!!.
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Joewillie78

Says the lifelong Jets fan..

Ouch. That hurt.
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Joewillie78

[Farfromgeneva]

Smart? Most of us would have to lose 20 IQ points to be considered smart!!!.
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Joewillie78

Says the lifelong Jets fan..

Ouch. That hurt.
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Joewillie78

That’s just the Hobart-Cornell way. I’m sure a win this weekend for Cornell will make it all better.

[ny10458]

Tough day for the obsessive Tucker haters on here (*cough* Finster and DMac *cough*).

I imagine them drooling on themselves in a nursing home, rambling on about that Tucker guy who left them in Syracuse.

[Jldlax]

Tucker with 6 goals today. 40% shooting, not bad. And with Yale keying on him in the second half. 63/13 for 76 points on the year.