My info is that he was an All American lax player at JHU. My source? The late Richie Moran.44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 9:24 pm What if I told you that the Doc is an Ivy-Leaguer, not your typical lunch-pail Blue Jay?
Michigan at Cornell
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I had a distinguished intramural lacrosse career at Hopkins. As a goalie, I had a career 100% save percentage (1 save on 1 SOG … I was knocked out of goal because a shot hit me in my abdomen … unprotected because my teammates were too cheap to buy a chest protector). On attack, I scored one goal on the crease when none of the players on the opposing team wanted to play defense. As a middie, I delivered a wicked cross-check (which we never called because we all lacked the skill and athleticism to land a legal check) and caused a turnover (two decades before CTs became an official stat … I was a pioneer).laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 9:57 pmMy info is that he was an All American lax player at JHU. My source? The late Richie Moran.44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 9:24 pm What if I told you that the Doc is an Ivy-Leaguer, not your typical lunch-pail Blue Jay?
I never won a Division I National Championship in my college career, but neither did any contemporary player at Cornell.
In summary, I am highly qualified to opine on this game.
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This is so true. Look at last year. Penn and Brown were simply bad match-ups for Cornell. But Cornell was able to beat multiple teams that beat those teams. Most notably, Cornell absolutely dominated a Rutgers team in the final 4 that had beaten Penn the week before in the quarters.The Orfling wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:59 pmSo much of lacrosse is about matchups, as well. Why is UVA invincible against everyone but Duke? Why is Notre Dame untouchable against every team but UVA? On paper UMich should dominate at the X but sometimes the matchup goes another direction. And does UMichigan have anybody who can shut down Kirst? If he goes on an early tear and Michigan gets behind, it could change the complexion of the game. Cornell had a very rough day against Yale (and the faceoff violation thing was a real factor) but they beat a good Princeton team the week before and a good Army team in mid-April.keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:51 pmNot here to bust on Cornell or its faithful fans; really it's a serious question relating to RPI and the computer models used by the cognescenti here. If the computer model cannot consider recent trends and natural improvements of teams since February, it's value is significantly diminished in predicting an outcome.Lager wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:26 pmHard to operate on defense when you get 3 early face off violations (the ref was a joke). After that, you can't really risk anticipating the whistle, and Yale wins all the face offs, and the defense can't get a minute to rest. You'd be a fool to judge Cornells defense from that ILT game.keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:16 pmDoes this consider timing of their season results? I mean Michigan has looked tremendous the past 10 days and Cornell looks like a bunch of beer league 30 year olds playing defense.
RPI is fine in such a short 12 to 16 game season, but almost every team is different than they were in February and early March. Michigan and Cornell, at least the last 10 days, appear to be headed in different directions.
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Right now Michigan is a tough matchup for anyone. Would Cornell rather play Michigan or Maryland?
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You can put in any pair of teams you like, and choose which is the home team or neutral field (the "vs" option), here:
https://masseyratings.com/game.php?s=clax2023&sub=11590
https://masseyratings.com/game.php?s=clax2023&sub=11590
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Michigan, no question for me. Maryland is a much more experienced team with excellent coaching -- HC is a Cornell alum -- and overall a significantly higher talent level. They've had a lot of injuries this year, and Quint had a point about their complex schemes needing a week of prep, so the 2-day B1G turnaround did not show them at their best.
Michigan has been playing very well, but now they have a bit of a goalie conundrum, and emotionally they may have a let down after winning the B1G, which is indeed a big (no pun intended!) deal.
Maryland, on the other hand, is licking their wounds and will be out for vengeance: no way no how do they lose in the first round, not to Army, not to Cornell, not to anyone they could plausibly have drawn.
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I've followed Massey for several seasons now. I'd argue that it has a weakness in not picking up what teams are "hot" or on a winning streak. The weakness of "hot" teams is that they are never reliably "hot" in all circumstances. Also, Massey weights their picks in terms of confidence (I hope that I am using the correct terminology), so the reader is not given an "absolute" result. All of that said, it is often surprisingly correct.keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:16 pmDoes this consider timing of their season results? I mean Michigan has looked tremendous the past 10 days and Cornell looks like a bunch of beer league 30 year olds playing defense.
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Are you implying your college career was over before 1971?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:14 pm ...
I never won a Division I National Championship in my college career, but neither did any contemporary player at Cornell.
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No, I played intramural lacrosse at Hopkins, utilizing a broad and forgiving definition of “played” and “lacrosse.”Ezra White wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:01 amAre you implying your college career was over before 1971?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:14 pm ...
I never won a Division I National Championship in my college career, but neither did any contemporary player at Cornell.
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I was simply noting that I, of course, never won a Division I championship in college, while noting that actual contemporaneous Division I players at Cornell had not either.
Look, if that wimp George Will can comment on baseball, I can comment on lacrosse.
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Michigan had a great weekend. Before that they spent a week beating up Ohio State a couple of times.keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:16 pm Does this consider timing of their season results? I mean Michigan has looked tremendous the past 10 days and Cornell looks like a bunch of beer league 30 year olds playing defense.
Michigan went into the Big10 tourney needing to win to extend their season, and they did. Not diminishing their accomplishment at all; they looked great against Penn State, and I assume against Maryland (didn't see the game). They were also playing for significantly different stakes than the other teams in the tourney, which may or may not have played into the results.
Before that they had solid - not spectacular - back-to-back wins against a team that lost 9 of its last 11 games, and that more often than not looked like it was circling the drain the last half of the season.
I think Sunday's matchup with Cornell will be a great game, and Michigan is certainly playing well right now, but I also think some are suggesting Cornell is nosediving based on the results of a single game. Cornell is much better than the Yale result might indicate; their resume proves that out.
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Yeah. I'm not sure why Cornell would even show up......./skeno in reno wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:16 pmDoes this consider timing of their season results? I mean Michigan has looked tremendous the past 10 days and Cornell looks like a bunch of beer league 30 year olds playing defense.
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LOL.Chousnake wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 11:11 amYeah. I'm not sure why Cornell would even show up......./skeno in reno wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:16 pmDoes this consider timing of their season results? I mean Michigan has looked tremendous the past 10 days and Cornell looks like a bunch of beer league 30 year olds playing defense.
I agree, with this current social media Michigan "logic", they should just give Georgetown, winners of 12 straight, the plaque now and cancel the NCAA.
Crazy that homers think their team winning two big games in a row are now unbeatable.
It was Do or Die for them and they stepped up, congrats.
We play the game for a reason. And this match up is one of the best for the weekend.
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Boehm is Michigan's highest scoring player. He's played in everyone of Michigan's games this year. In M's six losses this year he went:
Curious: Who are the best close D's he's faced?
- UVA (1,0)
- Marq (1,3)
- ND (1,1)
- JHU (0,2)
- Rut (4,1)
- PSU (0,0)
Curious: Who are the best close D's he's faced?
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What’s a lunch pail Blue Jay? Fine China and silverware w silk napkins?44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 9:24 pm What if I told you that the Doc is an Ivy-Leaguer, not your typical lunch-pail Blue Jay?
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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And yet looked suspect getting trucked by Army last reg season game before the tourney…they managed fine in the playoffs.Lager wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:30 pmThis is so true. Look at last year. Penn and Brown were simply bad match-ups for Cornell. But Cornell was able to beat multiple teams that beat those teams. Most notably, Cornell absolutely dominated a Rutgers team in the final 4 that had beaten Penn the week before in the quarters.The Orfling wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:59 pmSo much of lacrosse is about matchups, as well. Why is UVA invincible against everyone but Duke? Why is Notre Dame untouchable against every team but UVA? On paper UMich should dominate at the X but sometimes the matchup goes another direction. And does UMichigan have anybody who can shut down Kirst? If he goes on an early tear and Michigan gets behind, it could change the complexion of the game. Cornell had a very rough day against Yale (and the faceoff violation thing was a real factor) but they beat a good Princeton team the week before and a good Army team in mid-April.keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:51 pmNot here to bust on Cornell or its faithful fans; really it's a serious question relating to RPI and the computer models used by the cognescenti here. If the computer model cannot consider recent trends and natural improvements of teams since February, it's value is significantly diminished in predicting an outcome.Lager wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:26 pmHard to operate on defense when you get 3 early face off violations (the ref was a joke). After that, you can't really risk anticipating the whistle, and Yale wins all the face offs, and the defense can't get a minute to rest. You'd be a fool to judge Cornells defense from that ILT game.keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:16 pmDoes this consider timing of their season results? I mean Michigan has looked tremendous the past 10 days and Cornell looks like a bunch of beer league 30 year olds playing defense.
RPI is fine in such a short 12 to 16 game season, but almost every team is different than they were in February and early March. Michigan and Cornell, at least the last 10 days, appear to be headed in different directions.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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I got Will in Rd 3. -300DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:52 amNo, I played intramural lacrosse at Hopkins, utilizing a broad and forgiving definition of “played” and “lacrosse.”Ezra White wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:01 amAre you implying your college career was over before 1971?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:14 pm ...
I never won a Division I National Championship in my college career, but neither did any contemporary player at Cornell.
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I was simply noting that I, of course, never won a Division I championship in college, while noting that actual contemporaneous Division I players at Cornell had not either.
Look, if that wimp George Will can comment on baseball, I can comment on lacrosse.
DocBarrister
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Cornell beat Princeton in the last regular season game last year.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:27 am And yet looked suspect getting trucked by Army last reg season game before the tourney…they managed fine in the playoffs.
The lost to Army, lost to Brown, beat Princeton, then lost to Yale in the ILT semis, so entered the tourney losing 3 of 4.
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Apparently your last game doesn't count when you reach the play-offs
Yale ran thru and over Cornell in ILT semi final
31 shots by HT
Cornell only 3 saves by HT
That game should have been dead and buried instead of 12-8 HT
Yale ran thru and over Cornell in ILT semi final
31 shots by HT
Cornell only 3 saves by HT
That game should have been dead and buried instead of 12-8 HT
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Cornell had one genuinely bad defensive performance out of 14 games. Are you suggesting that become the exclusive lens through which we evaluate them going forward?45wewantmore wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:56 am Apparently your last game doesn't count when you reach the play-offs
Yale ran thru and over Cornell in ILT semi final
31 shots by HT
Cornell only 3 saves by HT
That game should have been dead and buried instead of 12-8 HT
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Both Cornell and Yale had a flat game in their last ILT outing; therefore, both are toast in their first-round NCAA games. Obviously!ICGrad wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:34 amCornell had one genuinely bad defensive performance out of 14 games. Are you suggesting that become the exclusive lens through which we evaluate them going forward?45wewantmore wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:56 am Apparently your last game doesn't count when you reach the play-offs
Yale ran thru and over Cornell in ILT semi final
31 shots by HT
Cornell only 3 saves by HT
That game should have been dead and buried instead of 12-8 HT