I'm not a lawyer, but as of this AM, last I checked, they hadn't even released the name of the driver much less the motive. Very early in the assessment of what the heck happened and why.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:46 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:59 amFirst, I don't think it's been determined yet that the SUV driver was acting intentionally, though that's very possible. Such acts have indeed been committed by terrorists, typically in places with few guns. But total such deaths in those places from these attacks are far, far less than here, largely because there are fewer people with these sorts of weapons.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:29 amSo will the changes at the ballot box effect the ever increasing number of people intent on commiting murder? The willingness of so many people that want to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible should be equally disturbing to everyone. The maniac in Texas proved you can kill a lot of people with a car.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:01 am... that can all change with the ballot box. Banning AR15 or it along with other "assault rifles" is possible. The supreme court already allows it. Tighten background checks, longer waiting periods, raise age for purchase and use, banning certain ammunition types, sale of components which increase firing speed, magazine capacity limits, etc., etc., applying same sane rules to gun shows or outlaw them. It only takes the will to do and punish those who stand in the way. There is an overwhelming majority that want these kinds of changes now. It is going to happen, it is only a question of how many more people will die before we get serious in this country.DMac wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:42 am Not so sure much of any change is going to come from a ballot box. The newly elected is going to write more laws?
Our love affair with guns and staunch belief that everyone (pretty much) has the right to have one (or arsenal of)
isn't going to change at the ballot box. Went to a gun show a couple of years back, was just a tag along with my buddy
and his son who wanted to buy an AR15. He walked out with one, I was blown away by how easy it was. Doesn't have a
need in the world for that gun (or the several others that he has) but don't dare tell anyone like that they can't have one.
Until our attitude about guns and everyone's right to have one changes aint much of anything going to change. Culture.
If it were Muslims doing all this everyone including the white supremacists would be screaming for these changes.
You also see more knife attacks. But fewer deaths from mass attacks.
The substitution isn't 1:1.
It is also entirely possible that military style weapons being used in so much of our mass media entertainment, gaming, movies, etc have glamorized this usage in ways that driving a car into a crowd doesn't accomplish...nor do you typically get shot by the police when doing so, which is part of what these mass shooters appear to expect going in. Suicide by cop.
But it won't eliminate the hate nor the suicidal.
For the lawyers here: when and how are such findings made?
“First, I don't think it's been determined yet that the SUV driver was acting intentionally”
I would hope within a specific, documented and transparent process. And no, having to wrest the data from control via FOIA doesn’t count as transparent.
If you asked me to place a bet, though, it's be that this was intentional because of the witnesses said seemed to be the case, and perhaps a motive of some ideological issue, but this seems to me a 'hey, let's wait one heartbeat at least' before declaring we know.
EDIT: driver name and a little more about him has now been released:https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/08/us/brown ... index.html
Could be intoxication. History.
If so, my 'bet' would have been wrong.