The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

[DMac]

No need to cut any chaff as there's not one person claiming life was better for blacks, gays, or women in the 50s. Not one.
What has been said is that there was much room for improve and that 50s generation not only recognized it but did a lot to make those improvements. Make peace not war, civil rights movement, feminist movement....hell, they even got their own cigarettes and didn't have to wear a bra. Life was good in America in the 50s, warts and all. Racism and a racial divide in the 50s....anyone paying attention to the divided USA in 2023? I've never felt the country was more divided than it is now. Wouldn't trade places with a nine-year-old for all the tea in China.

[a fan]

$2M to study "what to do?" in Baltimore over the road to nowhere.

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/ ... e-history/

I'm glad it's changing. But not surprised at the politicization shown in that article and here.

"Gotta act fast to change this, while a Democrat holds the Governorship!"

Because the Democrats have had no opportunity to change this in the past 30+ years...

As I've said before, the Democrat party in MD prefers to keep city and state residents broken and beholden, rather than fix anything.

So maybe we'll have an answer to this problem ... in late 2025. But don't hold you're breath. The left loves to keep their thumb on it's citizens too.

I agree with every word you wrote here, EXCEPT this isn't "the left". These are party-first Dems. We have a few actual lefties with a bit of power here in Denver. They're all single issue lefties, and the results of their policies have, in my personal opinion, been really bad.

But you're right....nothing will change so long as the D's are in charge in Baltimore. Entrenched corruption.

The obvious follow up question is: what is the Republican solution to fix Baltimore's problems? Is there a candidate that has laid out a plan?

[cradleandshoot]

No need to cut any chaff as there's not one person claiming life was better for blacks, gays, or women in the 50s. Not one.
What has been said is that there was much room for improve and that 50s generation not only recognized it but did a lot to make those improvements. Make peace not war, civil rights movement, feminist movement....hell, they even got their own cigarettes and didn't have to wear a bra. Life was good in America in the 50s, warts and all. Racism and a racial divide in the 50s....anyone paying attention to the divided USA in 2023? I've never felt the country was more divided than it is now. Wouldn't trade places with a nine-year-old for all the tea in China.

+1

[kramerica.inc]

$2M to study "what to do?" in Baltimore over the road to nowhere.

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/ ... e-history/

I'm glad it's changing. But not surprised at the politicization shown in that article and here.

"Gotta act fast to change this, while a Democrat holds the Governorship!"

Because the Democrats have had no opportunity to change this in the past 30+ years...

As I've said before, the Democrat party in MD prefers to keep city and state residents broken and beholden, rather than fix anything.

So maybe we'll have an answer to this problem ... in late 2025. But don't hold you're breath. The left loves to keep their thumb on it's citizens too.

I agree with every word you wrote here, EXCEPT this isn't "the left". These are party-first Dems. We have a few actual lefties with a bit of power here in Denver. They're all single issue lefties, and the results of their policies have, in my personal opinion, been really bad.

But you're right....nothing will change so long as the D's are in charge in Baltimore. Entrenched corruption.

The obvious follow up question is: what is the Republican solution to fix Baltimore's problems? Is there a candidate that has laid out a plan?

I unfortunately don't have an answer. I have my own opinion on it that and I'll suggest it in the Baltimore thread.

I also know a republican will be hard pressed to win office in Baltimore. Regardless of platform.

And you have to be willing to play ball with the entrenched corruption to win the Democratic nod too. There has already been a couple examples of the young and promising Mayor Brandon in Baltimore who looked like he was gonna stand up to it. Unfortunately he changed his tune rather quickly once in office.

[a fan]

No need to cut any chaff as there's not one person claiming life was better for blacks, gays, or women in the 50s. Not one.
What has been said is that there was much room for improve and that 50s generation not only recognized it but did a lot to make those improvements. Make peace not war, civil rights movement, feminist movement....hell, they even got their own cigarettes and didn't have to wear a bra. Life was good in America in the 50s, warts and all. Racism and a racial divide in the 50s....anyone paying attention to the divided USA in 2023? I've never felt the country was more divided than it is now. Wouldn't trade places with a nine-year-old for all the tea in China.

I'd buy that if these same MAGA Republicans weren't changing laws that took SOME Americans back to those times.

Removing rights from women. Removing rights from gays. Or doing things like soft-peddling the non-so-fantastic parts of American history in public schools. Or banning books.

If they weren't doing that? I wouldn't care. "The 1950's" would be a harmless answer to a harmless political slogan.....and I'd agree with you fully.

[jhu72]

No need to cut any chaff as there's not one person claiming life was better for blacks, gays, or women in the 50s. Not one.
What has been said is that there was much room for improve and that 50s generation not only recognized it but did a lot to make those improvements. Make peace not war, civil rights movement, feminist movement....hell, they even got their own cigarettes and didn't have to wear a bra. Life was good in America in the 50s, warts and all. Racism and a racial divide in the 50s....anyone paying attention to the divided USA in 2023? I've never felt the country was more divided than it is now. Wouldn't trade places with a nine-year-old for all the tea in China.

... its only obvious to you today because the people being "divided out" aren't taking it quietly. They are making noise nationally. Back in the good old days you could string up a young buck in Alabama and no one would hear about it in upstate New York or Baltimore. The world is a lot smaller.

[Typical Lax Dad]

No need to cut any chaff as there's not one person claiming life was better for blacks, gays, or women in the 50s. Not one.
What has been said is that there was much room for improve and that 50s generation not only recognized it but did a lot to make those improvements. Make peace not war, civil rights movement, feminist movement....hell, they even got their own cigarettes and didn't have to wear a bra. Life was good in America in the 50s, warts and all. Racism and a racial divide in the 50s....anyone paying attention to the divided USA in 2023? I've never felt the country was more divided than it is now. Wouldn't trade places with a nine-year-old for all the tea in China.

... its only obvious to you today because the people being "divided out" aren't taking it quietly. They are making noise nationally. Back in the good old days you could string up a young buck in Alabama and no one would hear about it in upstate New York or Baltimore. The world is a lot smaller.

The good old days….



Dis’ ol’ boy rih’ cheer ain’t complain’….wees treat him good! He says so hisself…y’alls too woke.

[old salt]

Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

In his book, Wright describes the growing political strength of African-American residents of Kinloch. In 1927, an African-American pastor was elected to the three-member Kinloch School Board, and he began pressing for better treatment of the district's African-American students.

By 1937, the Kinloch school district had 543 black students and 349 white students. White residents, who lived in the northern part of the community wanted to form their own school district. When that failed, they split from Kinloch Park, incorporated as the city of Berkeley and started their own schools.

Wright said that African-American children, who lived in a two-block section of Kinloch that had remained in the Ferguson school district, continued to attend Vernon School -- which remained all-black until it closed in 1967, 13 years after the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed racial segregation in public schools.

Kinloch public schools faced overwhelming financial difficulties, Wright said. There was little tax base left in the community after the Berkeley split, and Kinloch would become one of the poorest communities in the United States.

In 1975, U.S. District Judge Meredith ordered a merger of the Ferguson-Florissant, Berkeley and Kinloch school districts to achieve desegregation.

These days places like Kinloch get fragmented among three or four of the abutting white election districts. Can’t have an area of minorities having a say.

Ah, the 50s and 60s. We were better off when they had their own neighborhoods and schools. Growing up in Seaford LI in the 50s/60s/70s all was bliss. Not a single black family in the school district. Except for the stories in the LI Press about Roosevelt HS in Freeport. Troublemakers.

I'm not saying things were universally better in the 50's & 60's than they are now, or that we should turn back the clock.
I'm pointing out that in our quest for equality, there have been unintended consequences. We've lost some things which made life better.
I can only speak of my limited experience of those times. My personal experience. Things were better for the Kinloch HS students I met then than they were for Michael Brown in Ferguson 50 years later. Even though voluntarily segregated, Kinloch had black owned businesses, black churches, a good public HS, & a sense of community, in contrast to the new Pruitt-Igoe housing project next door in StL which became a national symbol for failed attempts at urban renewal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe

[Typical Lax Dad]

Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

In his book, Wright describes the growing political strength of African-American residents of Kinloch. In 1927, an African-American pastor was elected to the three-member Kinloch School Board, and he began pressing for better treatment of the district's African-American students.

By 1937, the Kinloch school district had 543 black students and 349 white students. White residents, who lived in the northern part of the community wanted to form their own school district. When that failed, they split from Kinloch Park, incorporated as the city of Berkeley and started their own schools.

Wright said that African-American children, who lived in a two-block section of Kinloch that had remained in the Ferguson school district, continued to attend Vernon School -- which remained all-black until it closed in 1967, 13 years after the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed racial segregation in public schools.

Kinloch public schools faced overwhelming financial difficulties, Wright said. There was little tax base left in the community after the Berkeley split, and Kinloch would become one of the poorest communities in the United States.

In 1975, U.S. District Judge Meredith ordered a merger of the Ferguson-Florissant, Berkeley and Kinloch school districts to achieve desegregation.

These days places like Kinloch get fragmented among three or four of the abutting white election districts. Can’t have an area of minorities having a say.

Ah, the 50s and 60s. We were better off when they had their own neighborhoods and schools. Growing up in Seaford LI in the 50s/60s/70s all was bliss. Not a single black family in the school district. Except for the stories in the LI Press about Roosevelt HS in Freeport. Troublemakers.

I'm not saying things were universally better in the 50's & 60's than they are now, or that we should turn back the clock.
I'm pointing out that in our quest for equality, there have been unintended consequences. We've lost some things which made life better.
I can only speak of my limited experience of those times. My personal experience. Things were better for the Kinloch HS students I met then than they were for Michael Brown in Ferguson 50 years later. Even though voluntarily segregated, Kinloch had black owned businesses, black churches, a good public HS, & a sense of community, in contrast to the new Pruitt-Igoe housing project next door in StL which became a national symbol for failed attempts at urban renewal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe

It was separate but equal! Blacks “owned” stuff!

[MDlaxfan76]

We should go back to redlining... according to some...

... I am sure you know that Baltimore had it's own "Berlin Wall". It was erected in 1930 and lasted until a few weeks ago. Separating the good white folks living to the west of Hillen Road from the black college kids attending Morgan State.

Yes, I do know.
And I know that Blacks and Jews were not allowed into Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland etc, by ordinance.

The first family "of color" in that area was in the early '60's when a Chinese-American professor was recruited from Stanford to Hopkins and was turned away from Guilford...Hopkins muckety mucks got on the horn and 'arranged' for the color barrier to broken for that family. His son was a classmate at Calvert School, one of the very first ever admitted, then Gilman, then Hopkins...he holds 70 patents in eye surgery, genetics, etc, top of the field. All 3 children attended Hopkins, played tennis intercollegiately, all very successful..

[Typical Lax Dad]

We should go back to redlining... according to some...

... I am sure you know that Baltimore had it's own "Berlin Wall". It was erected in 1930 and lasted until a few weeks ago. Separating the good white folks living to the west of Hillen Road from the black college kids attending Morgan State.

Yes, I do know.
And I know that Blacks and Jews were not allowed into Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland etc, by ordinance.

The first family "of color" in that area was in the early '60's when a Chinese-American professor was recruited from Stanford to Hopkins and was turned away from Guilford...Hopkins muckety mucks got on the horn and 'arranged' for the color barrier to broken for that family. His son was a classmate at Calvert School, one of the very first ever admitted, then Gilman, then Hopkins...he holds 70 patents in eye surgery, genetics, etc, top of the field. All 3 children attended Hopkins, played tennis intercollegiately, all very successful..

Another case…. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ori ... story.html

[old salt]

Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

In his book, Wright describes the growing political strength of African-American residents of Kinloch. In 1927, an African-American pastor was elected to the three-member Kinloch School Board, and he began pressing for better treatment of the district's African-American students.

By 1937, the Kinloch school district had 543 black students and 349 white students. White residents, who lived in the northern part of the community wanted to form their own school district. When that failed, they split from Kinloch Park, incorporated as the city of Berkeley and started their own schools.

Wright said that African-American children, who lived in a two-block section of Kinloch that had remained in the Ferguson school district, continued to attend Vernon School -- which remained all-black until it closed in 1967, 13 years after the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed racial segregation in public schools.

Kinloch public schools faced overwhelming financial difficulties, Wright said. There was little tax base left in the community after the Berkeley split, and Kinloch would become one of the poorest communities in the United States.

In 1975, U.S. District Judge Meredith ordered a merger of the Ferguson-Florissant, Berkeley and Kinloch school districts to achieve desegregation.

These days places like Kinloch get fragmented among three or four of the abutting white election districts. Can’t have an area of minorities having a say.

Ah, the 50s and 60s. We were better off when they had their own neighborhoods and schools. Growing up in Seaford LI in the 50s/60s/70s all was bliss. Not a single black family in the school district. Except for the stories in the LI Press about Roosevelt HS in Freeport. Troublemakers.

I'm not saying things were universally better in the 50's & 60's than they are now, or that we should turn back the clock.
I'm pointing out that in our quest for equality, there have been unintended consequences. We've lost some things which made life better.
I can only speak of my limited experience of those times. My personal experience. Things were better for the Kinloch HS students I met then than they were for Michael Brown in Ferguson 50 years later. Even though voluntarily segregated, Kinloch had black owned businesses, black churches, a good public HS, & a sense of community, in contrast to the new Pruitt-Igoe housing project next door in StL which became a national symbol for failed attempts at urban renewal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe

It was separate but equal! Blacks “owned” stuff!

I never said equal. I'm saying that if I was a black kid in the '50's & '60's, I'd much rather live in Kinloch, where my black parents & neighbors ran things, than in Pruitt-Igoe, where the fed govt & the courts ran things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinloch_High_School

[MDlaxfan76]

https://internationalmapping.com/blog/a ... baltimore/

[Typical Lax Dad]

Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

In his book, Wright describes the growing political strength of African-American residents of Kinloch. In 1927, an African-American pastor was elected to the three-member Kinloch School Board, and he began pressing for better treatment of the district's African-American students.

By 1937, the Kinloch school district had 543 black students and 349 white students. White residents, who lived in the northern part of the community wanted to form their own school district. When that failed, they split from Kinloch Park, incorporated as the city of Berkeley and started their own schools.

Wright said that African-American children, who lived in a two-block section of Kinloch that had remained in the Ferguson school district, continued to attend Vernon School -- which remained all-black until it closed in 1967, 13 years after the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed racial segregation in public schools.

Kinloch public schools faced overwhelming financial difficulties, Wright said. There was little tax base left in the community after the Berkeley split, and Kinloch would become one of the poorest communities in the United States.

In 1975, U.S. District Judge Meredith ordered a merger of the Ferguson-Florissant, Berkeley and Kinloch school districts to achieve desegregation.

These days places like Kinloch get fragmented among three or four of the abutting white election districts. Can’t have an area of minorities having a say.

Ah, the 50s and 60s. We were better off when they had their own neighborhoods and schools. Growing up in Seaford LI in the 50s/60s/70s all was bliss. Not a single black family in the school district. Except for the stories in the LI Press about Roosevelt HS in Freeport. Troublemakers.

I'm not saying things were universally better in the 50's & 60's than they are now, or that we should turn back the clock.
I'm pointing out that in our quest for equality, there have been unintended consequences. We've lost some things which made life better.
I can only speak of my limited experience of those times. My personal experience. Things were better for the Kinloch HS students I met then than they were for Michael Brown in Ferguson 50 years later. Even though voluntarily segregated, Kinloch had black owned businesses, black churches, a good public HS, & a sense of community, in contrast to the new Pruitt-Igoe housing project next door in StL which became a national symbol for failed attempts at urban renewal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe

It was separate but equal! Blacks “owned” stuff!

I never said equal. I'm saying that if I was a black kid in the '50's & '60's, I'd much rather live in Kinloch, where my black parents & neighbors ran things, than in Pruitt-Igoe, where the fed govt & the courts ran things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinloch_High_School

I’d rather live in Guilford than Dundalk.

[MDlaxfan76]

We should go back to redlining... according to some...

... I am sure you know that Baltimore had it's own "Berlin Wall". It was erected in 1930 and lasted until a few weeks ago. Separating the good white folks living to the west of Hillen Road from the black college kids attending Morgan State.

Yes, I do know.
And I know that Blacks and Jews were not allowed into Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland etc, by ordinance.

The first family "of color" in that area was in the early '60's when a Chinese-American professor was recruited from Stanford to Hopkins and was turned away from Guilford...Hopkins muckety mucks got on the horn and 'arranged' for the color barrier to broken for that family. His son was a classmate at Calvert School, one of the very first ever admitted, then Gilman, then Hopkins...he holds 70 patents in eye surgery, genetics, etc, top of the field. All 3 children attended Hopkins, played tennis intercollegiately, all very successful..

Another case…. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ori ... story.html

Note that in 1966, he could not even consider Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland etc.

The Hoffberger family is Jewish, related to the Blausteins and Rosenbergs.
He wouldn't have been allowed into Roland Park either in the 50's...

[old salt]

Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

In his book, Wright describes the growing political strength of African-American residents of Kinloch. In 1927, an African-American pastor was elected to the three-member Kinloch School Board, and he began pressing for better treatment of the district's African-American students.

By 1937, the Kinloch school district had 543 black students and 349 white students. White residents, who lived in the northern part of the community wanted to form their own school district. When that failed, they split from Kinloch Park, incorporated as the city of Berkeley and started their own schools.

Wright said that African-American children, who lived in a two-block section of Kinloch that had remained in the Ferguson school district, continued to attend Vernon School -- which remained all-black until it closed in 1967, 13 years after the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed racial segregation in public schools.

Kinloch public schools faced overwhelming financial difficulties, Wright said. There was little tax base left in the community after the Berkeley split, and Kinloch would become one of the poorest communities in the United States.

In 1975, U.S. District Judge Meredith ordered a merger of the Ferguson-Florissant, Berkeley and Kinloch school districts to achieve desegregation.

These days places like Kinloch get fragmented among three or four of the abutting white election districts. Can’t have an area of minorities having a say.

Ah, the 50s and 60s. We were better off when they had their own neighborhoods and schools. Growing up in Seaford LI in the 50s/60s/70s all was bliss. Not a single black family in the school district. Except for the stories in the LI Press about Roosevelt HS in Freeport. Troublemakers.

I'm not saying things were universally better in the 50's & 60's than they are now, or that we should turn back the clock.
I'm pointing out that in our quest for equality, there have been unintended consequences. We've lost some things which made life better.
I can only speak of my limited experience of those times. My personal experience. Things were better for the Kinloch HS students I met then than they were for Michael Brown in Ferguson 50 years later. Even though voluntarily segregated, Kinloch had black owned businesses, black churches, a good public HS, & a sense of community, in contrast to the new Pruitt-Igoe housing project next door in StL which became a national symbol for failed attempts at urban renewal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe

It was separate but equal! Blacks “owned” stuff!

I never said equal. I'm saying that if I was a black kid in the '50's & '60's, I'd much rather live in Kinloch, where my black parents & neighbors ran things, than in Pruitt-Igoe, where the fed govt & the courts ran things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinloch_High_School

I’d rather live in Guilford than Dundalk.

Kinloch & Guilford are hardly analogous.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

In his book, Wright describes the growing political strength of African-American residents of Kinloch. In 1927, an African-American pastor was elected to the three-member Kinloch School Board, and he began pressing for better treatment of the district's African-American students.

By 1937, the Kinloch school district had 543 black students and 349 white students. White residents, who lived in the northern part of the community wanted to form their own school district. When that failed, they split from Kinloch Park, incorporated as the city of Berkeley and started their own schools.

Wright said that African-American children, who lived in a two-block section of Kinloch that had remained in the Ferguson school district, continued to attend Vernon School -- which remained all-black until it closed in 1967, 13 years after the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed racial segregation in public schools.

Kinloch public schools faced overwhelming financial difficulties, Wright said. There was little tax base left in the community after the Berkeley split, and Kinloch would become one of the poorest communities in the United States.

In 1975, U.S. District Judge Meredith ordered a merger of the Ferguson-Florissant, Berkeley and Kinloch school districts to achieve desegregation.

These days places like Kinloch get fragmented among three or four of the abutting white election districts. Can’t have an area of minorities having a say.

Ah, the 50s and 60s. We were better off when they had their own neighborhoods and schools. Growing up in Seaford LI in the 50s/60s/70s all was bliss. Not a single black family in the school district. Except for the stories in the LI Press about Roosevelt HS in Freeport. Troublemakers.

I'm not saying things were universally better in the 50's & 60's than they are now, or that we should turn back the clock.
I'm pointing out that in our quest for equality, there have been unintended consequences. We've lost some things which made life better.
I can only speak of my limited experience of those times. My personal experience. Things were better for the Kinloch HS students I met then than they were for Michael Brown in Ferguson 50 years later. Even though voluntarily segregated, Kinloch had black owned businesses, black churches, a good public HS, & a sense of community, in contrast to the new Pruitt-Igoe housing project next door in StL which became a national symbol for failed attempts at urban renewal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe

It was separate but equal! Blacks “owned” stuff!

I never said equal. I'm saying that if I was a black kid in the '50's & '60's, I'd much rather live in Kinloch, where my black parents & neighbors ran things, than in Pruitt-Igoe, where the fed govt & the courts ran things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinloch_High_School

I’d rather live in Guilford than Dundalk.

Kinloch & Guilford are hardly analogous.

[jhu72]

We should go back to redlining... according to some...

... I am sure you know that Baltimore had it's own "Berlin Wall". It was erected in 1930 and lasted until a few weeks ago. Separating the good white folks living to the west of Hillen Road from the black college kids attending Morgan State.

Yes, I do know.
And I know that Blacks and Jews were not allowed into Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland etc, by ordinance.

The first family "of color" in that area was in the early '60's when a Chinese-American professor was recruited from Stanford to Hopkins and was turned away from Guilford...Hopkins muckety mucks got on the horn and 'arranged' for the color barrier to broken for that family. His son was a classmate at Calvert School, one of the very first ever admitted, then Gilman, then Hopkins...he holds 70 patents in eye surgery, genetics, etc, top of the field. All 3 children attended Hopkins, played tennis intercollegiately, all very successful..

Another case…. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ori ... story.html

... Baltimore was never as bad as DC or Boston in terms of acceptance of colored baseball players. Orioles had a black ballplayer on the team from day 1 of the Baltimore franchise in 1954.

[jhu72]

Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

In his book, Wright describes the growing political strength of African-American residents of Kinloch. In 1927, an African-American pastor was elected to the three-member Kinloch School Board, and he began pressing for better treatment of the district's African-American students.

By 1937, the Kinloch school district had 543 black students and 349 white students. White residents, who lived in the northern part of the community wanted to form their own school district. When that failed, they split from Kinloch Park, incorporated as the city of Berkeley and started their own schools.

Wright said that African-American children, who lived in a two-block section of Kinloch that had remained in the Ferguson school district, continued to attend Vernon School -- which remained all-black until it closed in 1967, 13 years after the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed racial segregation in public schools.

Kinloch public schools faced overwhelming financial difficulties, Wright said. There was little tax base left in the community after the Berkeley split, and Kinloch would become one of the poorest communities in the United States.

In 1975, U.S. District Judge Meredith ordered a merger of the Ferguson-Florissant, Berkeley and Kinloch school districts to achieve desegregation.

These days places like Kinloch get fragmented among three or four of the abutting white election districts. Can’t have an area of minorities having a say.

Ah, the 50s and 60s. We were better off when they had their own neighborhoods and schools. Growing up in Seaford LI in the 50s/60s/70s all was bliss. Not a single black family in the school district. Except for the stories in the LI Press about Roosevelt HS in Freeport. Troublemakers.

I'm not saying things were universally better in the 50's & 60's than they are now, or that we should turn back the clock.
I'm pointing out that in our quest for equality, there have been unintended consequences. We've lost some things which made life better.
I can only speak of my limited experience of those times. My personal experience. Things were better for the Kinloch HS students I met then than they were for Michael Brown in Ferguson 50 years later. Even though voluntarily segregated, Kinloch had black owned businesses, black churches, a good public HS, & a sense of community, in contrast to the new Pruitt-Igoe housing project next door in StL which became a national symbol for failed attempts at urban renewal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe

It was separate but equal! Blacks “owned” stuff!

I never said equal. I'm saying that if I was a black kid in the '50's & '60's, I'd much rather live in Kinloch, where my black parents & neighbors ran things, than in Pruitt-Igoe, where the fed govt & the courts ran things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinloch_High_School

I’d rather live in Guilford than Dundalk.

Kinloch & Guilford are hardly analogous.

... during those years Dundalk wasn't Essex (where I grew up) let alone Guilford.

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We should go back to redlining... according to some...

... I am sure you know that Baltimore had it's own "Berlin Wall". It was erected in 1930 and lasted until a few weeks ago. Separating the good white folks living to the west of Hillen Road from the black college kids attending Morgan State.

Yes, I do know.
And I know that Blacks and Jews were not allowed into Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland etc, by ordinance.

The first family "of color" in that area was in the early '60's when a Chinese-American professor was recruited from Stanford to Hopkins and was turned away from Guilford...Hopkins muckety mucks got on the horn and 'arranged' for the color barrier to broken for that family. His son was a classmate at Calvert School, one of the very first ever admitted, then Gilman, then Hopkins...he holds 70 patents in eye surgery, genetics, etc, top of the field. All 3 children attended Hopkins, played tennis intercollegiately, all very successful..

Another case…. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ori ... story.html

Note that in 1966, he could not even consider Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland etc.

The Hoffberger family is Jewish, related to the Blausteins and Rosenbergs.
He wouldn't have been allowed into Roland Park either in the 50's...

... a number of the Orioles would work for Hoffberger in the offseason as salesmen for Natty Boh. Met many of them as my cousin by marriage was a Natty Boh salesman the same age as the players. The good old days. One of them, Dave McNally, filed suit to break the reserve clause. Had lots of dinners with Dave at my cousin's house.