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Laxfanatic2022
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Tewaaraton Finalist

Post by Laxfanatic2022 »

Who’s your 5?

This year it’s been pretty clear to me

Brennnan O’Neill
Pat Kavanagh
CJ Kirst
Gavin Adler
Connor Shellenberger - hard to be a finalist and not be your teams leading point scorer but still think he gets the nod
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brennan Oneil

The winner should be CJ Kirst
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
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Post by 10stone5 »

I’ve got Adler and Kirst as the top two,
depends on where Cornell ends up,

Adler has been the most impressive player on the field so far.
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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Laxfanatic2022 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:55 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
I do not know how but I totally forgot about Oneil. I would have him in over Makar
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Post by SkipPass »

Please stop with the Defenseman. It’s not going to happen. Makar and Zap are not the same caliber as Adler. Not even close.
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:03 am
Laxfanatic2022 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:55 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
I do not know how but I totally forgot about Oneil. I would have him in over Makar
Why would O’Neil be first please tell, because he was suppose to be or does he deserve based on his stats?
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:55 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:03 am
Laxfanatic2022 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:55 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
I do not know how but I totally forgot about Oneil. I would have him in over Makar
Why would O’Neil be first please tell, because he was suppose to be or does he deserve based on his stats?



71 points nicely distributed in goals and assists on the #1 team in the country.

In the biggest game of the year, the first UVA game: 9 points

In breaking their Syracuse Dome drought: 6 points.

He’s held up his end of the bargain.

Kirst SOG %: 61
Kirst SH%: 38

O’Neill SOG%: 64%
O’Neill SH%: 36%
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:14 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:55 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:03 am
Laxfanatic2022 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:55 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
I do not know how but I totally forgot about Oneil. I would have him in over Makar
Why would O’Neil be first please tell, because he was suppose to be or does he deserve based on his stats?



71 points nicely distributed in goals and assists on the #1 team in the country.

In the biggest game of the year, the first UVA game: 9 points

In breaking their Syracuse Dome drought: 6 points.

He’s held up his end of the bargain.

Kirst SOG %: 61
Kirst SH%: 38

O’Neill SOG%: 64%
O’Neill SH%: 36%
has of 4/26
GPG ranked 17th
APG ranked 16th
PPG ranked 9th
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

Post by Finster »

lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:27 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:14 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:55 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:03 am
Laxfanatic2022 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:55 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
I do not know how but I totally forgot about Oneil. I would have him in over Makar
Why would O’Neil be first please tell, because he was suppose to be or does he deserve based on his stats?



71 points nicely distributed in goals and assists on the #1 team in the country.

In the biggest game of the year, the first UVA game: 9 points

In breaking their Syracuse Dome drought: 6 points.

He’s held up his end of the bargain.

Kirst SOG %: 61
Kirst SH%: 38

O’Neill SOG%: 64%
O’Neill SH%: 36%
has of 4/26
GPG ranked 17th
APG ranked 16th
PPG ranked 9th



That’s fair but you need to factor in the team rank as well as their SOS. He’s the best on the best.
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Post by joewillie78 »

If I was voting. My top 10 are:
1. Adler
2. Kirst
3. Dickson
4. O'Neil
5. Shellenberger
6. Kavanaugh
7. Zapitello
8. Mackasey
9. Melendez
10. Kurtz

I don't care if they were nominated or not. Those are my 10 best of the year......so far.

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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:52 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:27 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:14 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:55 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:03 am
Laxfanatic2022 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:55 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
I do not know how but I totally forgot about Oneil. I would have him in over Makar
Why would O’Neil be first please tell, because he was suppose to be or does he deserve based on his stats?



71 points nicely distributed in goals and assists on the #1 team in the country.

In the biggest game of the year, the first UVA game: 9 points

In breaking their Syracuse Dome drought: 6 points.

He’s held up his end of the bargain.

Kirst SOG %: 61
Kirst SH%: 38

O’Neill SOG%: 64%
O’Neill SH%: 36%
has of 4/26
GPG ranked 17th
APG ranked 16th
PPG ranked 9th



That’s fair but you need to factor in the team rank as well as their SOS. He’s the best on the best.
Kirst teams rank and SOS pretty good and he's 1 in GPG and Second in Points per game. he also is best of the best.
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 12:41 pm
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:52 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:27 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:14 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:55 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:03 am
Laxfanatic2022 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:55 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
I do not know how but I totally forgot about Oneil. I would have him in over Makar
Why would O’Neil be first please tell, because he was suppose to be or does he deserve based on his stats?



71 points nicely distributed in goals and assists on the #1 team in the country.

In the biggest game of the year, the first UVA game: 9 points

In breaking their Syracuse Dome drought: 6 points.

He’s held up his end of the bargain.

Kirst SOG %: 61
Kirst SH%: 38

O’Neill SOG%: 64%
O’Neill SH%: 36%
has of 4/26
GPG ranked 17th
APG ranked 16th
PPG ranked 9th



That’s fair but you need to factor in the team rank as well as their SOS. He’s the best on the best.
Kirst teams rank and SOS pretty good and he's 1 in GPG and Second in Points per game. he also is best of the best.
Actually, I believe he is also FIRST in points per game as the player who was first was shutout this past Saturday by the player who is #1 on my list.
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lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 12:41 pm
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:52 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:27 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:14 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:55 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:03 am
Laxfanatic2022 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:55 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
I do not know how but I totally forgot about Oneil. I would have him in over Makar
Why would O’Neil be first please tell, because he was suppose to be or does he deserve based on his stats?



71 points nicely distributed in goals and assists on the #1 team in the country.

In the biggest game of the year, the first UVA game: 9 points

In breaking their Syracuse Dome drought: 6 points.

He’s held up his end of the bargain.

Kirst SOG %: 61
Kirst SH%: 38

O’Neill SOG%: 64%
O’Neill SH%: 36%
has of 4/26
GPG ranked 17th
APG ranked 16th
PPG ranked 9th



That’s fair but you need to factor in the team rank as well as their SOS. He’s the best on the best.
Kirst teams rank and SOS pretty good and he's 1 in GPG and Second in Points per game. he also is best of the best.
Who is ahead of CJ in PPG? Right now, Mackesy has 45 goals and 20 assists for 65 points after 12 games after being shut out by Gavin Adler. That's 3.75 GPG and 5.417 PPG. CJ has 58 goals and 18 assists for 76 points after 13 games. That's 4.46 GPG and 5.846 PPG. I think CJ is #1 in both categories.
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1313,
That's correct. Last I checked, they haven't updated the stats using this past weekends game, so lorin was I believe basing it on the non-updated stats.

Mackesey being shutout and Kirst getting 3,3 moved him well into 1st in both categories.

I'm sorry I had to vote him 2nd but ADLER, has been so dominant this year.

Actually, my vote if allowed should be:
1a. ADLER
1b. KIRST
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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joewillie78 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 12:58 pm 1313,
That's correct. Last I checked, they haven't updated the stats using this past weekends game, so lorin was I believe basing it on the non-updated stats.

Mackesey being shutout and Kirst getting 3,3 moved him well into 1st in both categories.

I'm sorry I had to vote him 2nd but ADLER, has been so dominant this year.

Actually, my vote if allowed should be:
1a. ADLER
1b. KIRST
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Not to get too deep into the weeds here, but there’s a freshman D on Lehigh who has 48 CT’s to Adler’s 20. More GB’s as well as points.

No way Adler wins the Tewey.

I can see Kirst getting it, but really, I think one of these guys, O’Neill, Kirst, or Shellenberger, will need to bring home the Ship to differentiate for the final vote.
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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laxfan1313 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 12:52 pm
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 12:41 pm
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:52 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:27 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:14 am
lorin wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:55 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:03 am
Laxfanatic2022 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:55 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:49 am
laxerr20 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:48 am If we are talking the five best players in college lacrosse THIS YEAR it should be
Pat Kav
Gavin Adler
CJ Kirst
Xander Dickson
Brett Makar

The winner should be CJ Kirst


Absolutely not to Kavanaugh. O’Neill and he should win. Otherwise your list is good.
I don’t see how you can put Brett Makar in over O’Neill. Makar started out hot and has slowed down entirely with some not so impressive games. Zappitello should be in there over him if you want to pick a Maryland defenseman. Also respect the Dickinson pick I don’t disagree with that, but he didn’t make the top 25 sadly
I do not know how but I totally forgot about Oneil. I would have him in over Makar
Why would O’Neil be first please tell, because he was suppose to be or does he deserve based on his stats?



71 points nicely distributed in goals and assists on the #1 team in the country.

In the biggest game of the year, the first UVA game: 9 points

In breaking their Syracuse Dome drought: 6 points.

He’s held up his end of the bargain.

Kirst SOG %: 61
Kirst SH%: 38

O’Neill SOG%: 64%
O’Neill SH%: 36%
has of 4/26
GPG ranked 17th
APG ranked 16th
PPG ranked 9th



That’s fair but you need to factor in the team rank as well as their SOS. He’s the best on the best.
Kirst teams rank and SOS pretty good and he's 1 in GPG and Second in Points per game. he also is best of the best.
Who is ahead of CJ in PPG? Right now, Mackesy has 45 goals and 20 assists for 65 points after 12 games after being shut out by Gavin Adler. That's 3.75 GPG and 5.417 PPG. CJ has 58 goals and 18 assists for 76 points after 13 games. That's 4.46 GPG and 5.846 PPG. I think CJ is #1 in both categories.


Sometimes a point leader is a combination of (obviously) being a great player, but also a reflection on the team simply not having many other weapons.
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That’s not the case with Cornell.
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Re: Tewaaraton Finalist

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joewillie78 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 12:25 pm If I was voting. My top 10 are:
1. Adler
2. Kirst
3. Dickson
4. O'Neil
5. Shellenberger
6. Kavanaugh
7. Zapitello
8. Mackasey
9. Melendez
10. Kurtz

I don't care if they were nominated or not. Those are my 10 best of the year......so far.

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Did DocB pay you to include Melendez? What?!?!
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