The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

[Typical Lax Dad]

How many of you here are old enough to even remember the 50s, let alone know what it was like to grow up then?

[Typical Lax Dad]

[DMac]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

I know. I was going to say “this doesn’t answer the question and they don’t post here but here is their perspectives”….I knew you were going to point it out. BTW, look for a PM. Have something for you…Lacrosse related.

[PizzaSnake]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

[DMac]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

I am not sure anyone has ever said it was all bad. I know I have never heard that.

[cradleandshoot]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

I was born in 1958. I was at the tail end of the decade. It is hard to judge if the decade was bad or good. I do know for myself what carried over into the 60s was good for awhile in my upbringing. We played outside with no fear of stranger danger. IMO our nation changed forever one day in November of 1963. The bubble burst for Camelot and then the Gulf of Tonkin happened and like the theme of Thornton Wilders brilliant play " Our Town" you find out you can never go home again.

[MDlaxfan76]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

Of course not "all bad"; just not "better".
Unless you were a white, straight man in America...and I'm not so sure even that was "better", though relatively so...

Given thread topic, do you disagree?
I'm guessing you agree.

[MDlaxfan76]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

I was born in 1958. I was at the tail end of the decade. It is hard to judge if the decade was bad or good. I do know for myself what carried over into the 60s was good for awhile in my upbringing. We played outside with no fear of stranger danger. IMO our nation changed forever one day in November of 1963. The bubble burst for Camelot and then the Gulf of Tonkin happened and like the theme of Thornton Wilders brilliant play " Our Town" you find out you can never go home again.

Of course, in 1963 you were just 5, (I was just 6).
I'd suggest that our perspective was based on naïveté.

Pretty sure that if you or I had been a young black boy in Mississipi in the 1950's and 1960's we'd have known about "danger" and not just from "strangers".

[cradleandshoot]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

I was born in 1958. I was at the tail end of the decade. It is hard to judge if the decade was bad or good. I do know for myself what carried over into the 60s was good for awhile in my upbringing. We played outside with no fear of stranger danger. IMO our nation changed forever one day in November of 1963. The bubble burst for Camelot and then the Gulf of Tonkin happened and like the theme of Thornton Wilders brilliant play " Our Town" you find out you can never go home again.

Of course, in 1963 you were just 5, (I was just 6).
I'd suggest that our perspective was based on naïveté.

Pretty sure that if you or I had been a young black boy in Mississipi in the 1950's and 1960's we'd have known about "danger" and not just from "strangers".

We have come along way for better or worse from the 50s and 60s. Too bad those young black kids are now being shot dead everyday in the streets of our nation.. we sure have come along way baby. I don't think my perspective was based on being naive. The 60s were a good time in my young life. You learn what you live and I know this, we had a sense of security as a family and we didn't live in fear. My friends and I could go out and have fun and our parents were not worried about bad things happening to us. There is an elementary school at the end of my street. Almost every child is escorted to school every morning by a parent and they usually wait until they actually enter the school. The same process in reverse when school lets out. That is a by product of learning to live in fear. A good parent today has to watch their kids like a hawk every waking minute.

[DMac]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

Of course not "all bad"; just not "better".
Unless you were a white, straight man in America...and I'm not so sure even that was "better", though relatively so...

Given thread topic, do you disagree?
I'm guessing you agree.

As noted, a lot of room for improvement, yes. In some respects it was better, IMO, though.
Kids played outside, weren't subjected to the vile cesspool that is social media, families sat
down at the dinner table, far fewer being raised by stepdads and stepmoms, parents number
one priority wasn't to be their children's best friend, didn't pay thousands for nine year olds to
to be on a ball team and travel hundreds of miles to play a game, the sugar loaded garbage
that is fast foods wasn't obese America's daily diet, people with ball sacks showered in the
boy's locker room after gym class, those without in the girl's locker room, was pretty simple.
Given the choice of being a nine-year-old in the 1959 world or a nine-year-old in the 2023
world I would choose the 1959 world every single time. Sure there is much that is better but
I don't think I knew one kid who was on Ritalin, anxiety and Xanax wasn't the norm (odd how
few mass murders there were back then, eh?), oh, and you could hitch hike from NY to San
Francisco and feel relatively safe about doing it.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Graduation rate was under 60% and life expectancy for men was 66.5 years. Poverty rate was mid 20% and is now under 12%. Was 56% at 1900 or so….Just a few metrics that have been improved upon. Some things are better, some things are worse. Some things we know more about because we have more access to information 24/7.



Despite the vanishingly low rate, I would still not recommend hitchhiking.

[PizzaSnake]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

Of course not "all bad"; just not "better".
Unless you were a white, straight man in America...and I'm not so sure even that was "better", though relatively so...

Given thread topic, do you disagree?
I'm guessing you agree.

As noted, a lot of room for improvement, yes. In some respects it was better, IMO, though.
Kids played outside, weren't subjected to the vile cesspool that is social media, families sat
down at the dinner table, far fewer being raised by stepdads and stepmoms, parents number
one priority wasn't to be their children's best friend, didn't pay thousands for nine year olds to
to be on a ball team and travel hundreds of miles to play a game, the sugar loaded garbage
that is fast foods wasn't obese America's daily diet, people with ball sacks showered in the
boy's locker room after gym class, those without in the girl's locker room, was pretty simple.
Given the choice of being a nine-year-old in the 1959 world or a nine-year-old in the 2023
world I would choose the 1959 world every single time. Sure there is much that is better but
I don't think I knew one kid who was on Ritalin, anxiety and Xanax wasn't the norm (odd how
few mass murders there were back then, eh?), oh, and you could hitch hike from NY to San
Francisco and feel relatively safe about doing it.

“Why did this so-called Golden Age of Serial Killers end when it did?

First off, there were societal changes. As Holes points out, the Seventies saw a lot of killers preying on hitchhikers with no compunction about getting into a car with a stranger. “What ends up happening is, as a result of these crimes, women stop hitchhiking,” he says. “So now that victim pool is no longer there.” Murderers like the Golden State Killer and the Night Stalker — who broke into homes — were then deterred by the rise in home security systems. That’s why in the Nineties — when the children of Vietnam vets had grown up — serial killers mainly targeted sex workers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 21705/amp/

Interesting look at this period of horror. I would argue we are still beset by these creatures, but they act out in paroxysms of violence, not in slow “stalks”.

But the real question remains, “what is the crucible of this sociopathy?” I have a bad feeling there is and will be quite a large “bill” due in about ten years. If society fractures further under onslaught of rapid social dislocation from climate change and worker displacement (automation), all bets are off.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

Of course not "all bad"; just not "better".
Unless you were a white, straight man in America...and I'm not so sure even that was "better", though relatively so...

Given thread topic, do you disagree?
I'm guessing you agree.

As noted, a lot of room for improvement, yes. In some respects it was better, IMO, though.
Kids played outside, weren't subjected to the vile cesspool that is social media, families sat
down at the dinner table, far fewer being raised by stepdads and stepmoms, parents number
one priority wasn't to be their children's best friend, didn't pay thousands for nine year olds to
to be on a ball team and travel hundreds of miles to play a game, the sugar loaded garbage
that is fast foods wasn't obese America's daily diet, people with ball sacks showered in the
boy's locker room after gym class, those without in the girl's locker room, was pretty simple.
Given the choice of being a nine-year-old in the 1959 world or a nine-year-old in the 2023
world I would choose the 1959 world every single time. Sure there is much that is better but
I don't think I knew one kid who was on Ritalin, anxiety and Xanax wasn't the norm (odd how
few mass murders there were back then, eh?), oh, and you could hitch hike from NY to San
Francisco and feel relatively safe about doing it.

“Why did this so-called Golden Age of Serial Killers end when it did?

First off, there were societal changes. As Holes points out, the Seventies saw a lot of killers preying on hitchhikers with no compunction about getting into a car with a stranger. “What ends up happening is, as a result of these crimes, women stop hitchhiking,” he says. “So now that victim pool is no longer there.” Murderers like the Golden State Killer and the Night Stalker — who broke into homes — were then deterred by the rise in home security systems. That’s why in the Nineties — when the children of Vietnam vets had grown up — serial killers mainly targeted sex workers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 21705/amp/

Interesting look at this period of horror. I would argue we are still beset by these creatures, but they act out in paroxysms of violence, not in slow “stalks”.

But the real question remains, “what is the crucible of this sociopathy?” I have a bad feeling there is and will be quite a large “bill” due in about ten years. If society fractures further under onslaught of rapid social dislocation from climate change and worker displacement (automation), all bets are off.

My cousin’s husband was killed by a serial sniper in the 1970s. We were terrified to play outside after dark. Shot him as he was getting into his car….the DC sniper reminded me of it.

[PizzaSnake]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

Of course not "all bad"; just not "better".
Unless you were a white, straight man in America...and I'm not so sure even that was "better", though relatively so...

Given thread topic, do you disagree?
I'm guessing you agree.

As noted, a lot of room for improvement, yes. In some respects it was better, IMO, though.
Kids played outside, weren't subjected to the vile cesspool that is social media, families sat
down at the dinner table, far fewer being raised by stepdads and stepmoms, parents number
one priority wasn't to be their children's best friend, didn't pay thousands for nine year olds to
to be on a ball team and travel hundreds of miles to play a game, the sugar loaded garbage
that is fast foods wasn't obese America's daily diet, people with ball sacks showered in the
boy's locker room after gym class, those without in the girl's locker room, was pretty simple.
Given the choice of being a nine-year-old in the 1959 world or a nine-year-old in the 2023
world I would choose the 1959 world every single time. Sure there is much that is better but
I don't think I knew one kid who was on Ritalin, anxiety and Xanax wasn't the norm (odd how
few mass murders there were back then, eh?), oh, and you could hitch hike from NY to San
Francisco and feel relatively safe about doing it.

“Why did this so-called Golden Age of Serial Killers end when it did?

First off, there were societal changes. As Holes points out, the Seventies saw a lot of killers preying on hitchhikers with no compunction about getting into a car with a stranger. “What ends up happening is, as a result of these crimes, women stop hitchhiking,” he says. “So now that victim pool is no longer there.” Murderers like the Golden State Killer and the Night Stalker — who broke into homes — were then deterred by the rise in home security systems. That’s why in the Nineties — when the children of Vietnam vets had grown up — serial killers mainly targeted sex workers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 21705/amp/

Interesting look at this period of horror. I would argue we are still beset by these creatures, but they act out in paroxysms of violence, not in slow “stalks”.

But the real question remains, “what is the crucible of this sociopathy?” I have a bad feeling there is and will be quite a large “bill” due in about ten years. If society fractures further under onslaught of rapid social dislocation from climate change and worker displacement (automation), all bets are off.

My cousin’s husband was killed by a serial sniper in the 1970s. We were terrified to play outside after dark. Shot him as he was getting into his car….the DC sniper reminded me of it.

This is the event that changed my parents behavior re supervision.

"Katherine Mary Lyon (aged 10) and Sheila Mary Lyon (aged 12) were sisters who disappeared without a trace during a March 25, 1975[1] trip to a shopping mall in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Wheaton, Maryland. Known colloquially as The Lyon Sisters, their case resulted in one of the largest police investigations in Washington metropolitan area history.

In 2013, a team of cold case investigators with the Montgomery County, Maryland, police made a break in the case. They focused on Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr., then serving a lengthy prison sentence in Delaware for child sexual abuse, the culmination of a long criminal record that had begun a few years after the girls' disappearance with a burglary arrest in their jurisdiction. In September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and murder of the two sisters.[2] It had long been "one of the most high-profile unsolved cases in the D.C. area."[3] The girls' remains have never been found."

"Over a year later, in July 2015, Welch, then serving a lengthy sentence in Delaware on a child-molestation conviction, was indicted on first-degree felony murder for his alleged involvement in the deaths of Katherine and Sheila Lyon. He was also charged with abduction with intent to defile. The location of any remains of the girls' bodies is still unknown. Had Welch been brought to trial without the girls' bodies entered into evidence, it would have been the longest time to have elapsed between a murder and a trial in a bodiless murder conviction.[4]

Ultimately, in September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and killing of Katherine and Shelia Lyon in 1975. He received two 48-year sentences for the two counts of first degree felony murder he was facing."

This timeline, 18 years old in 1975, would have put Welch's childhood in the "halcyon" days of the late '50s and '60s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_o ... heila_Lyon

[Typical Lax Dad]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

Of course not "all bad"; just not "better".
Unless you were a white, straight man in America...and I'm not so sure even that was "better", though relatively so...

Given thread topic, do you disagree?
I'm guessing you agree.

As noted, a lot of room for improvement, yes. In some respects it was better, IMO, though.
Kids played outside, weren't subjected to the vile cesspool that is social media, families sat
down at the dinner table, far fewer being raised by stepdads and stepmoms, parents number
one priority wasn't to be their children's best friend, didn't pay thousands for nine year olds to
to be on a ball team and travel hundreds of miles to play a game, the sugar loaded garbage
that is fast foods wasn't obese America's daily diet, people with ball sacks showered in the
boy's locker room after gym class, those without in the girl's locker room, was pretty simple.
Given the choice of being a nine-year-old in the 1959 world or a nine-year-old in the 2023
world I would choose the 1959 world every single time. Sure there is much that is better but
I don't think I knew one kid who was on Ritalin, anxiety and Xanax wasn't the norm (odd how
few mass murders there were back then, eh?), oh, and you could hitch hike from NY to San
Francisco and feel relatively safe about doing it.

“Why did this so-called Golden Age of Serial Killers end when it did?

First off, there were societal changes. As Holes points out, the Seventies saw a lot of killers preying on hitchhikers with no compunction about getting into a car with a stranger. “What ends up happening is, as a result of these crimes, women stop hitchhiking,” he says. “So now that victim pool is no longer there.” Murderers like the Golden State Killer and the Night Stalker — who broke into homes — were then deterred by the rise in home security systems. That’s why in the Nineties — when the children of Vietnam vets had grown up — serial killers mainly targeted sex workers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 21705/amp/

Interesting look at this period of horror. I would argue we are still beset by these creatures, but they act out in paroxysms of violence, not in slow “stalks”.

But the real question remains, “what is the crucible of this sociopathy?” I have a bad feeling there is and will be quite a large “bill” due in about ten years. If society fractures further under onslaught of rapid social dislocation from climate change and worker displacement (automation), all bets are off.

My cousin’s husband was killed by a serial sniper in the 1970s. We were terrified to play outside after dark. Shot him as he was getting into his car….the DC sniper reminded me of it.

This is the event that changed my parents behavior re supervision.

"Katherine Mary Lyon (aged 10) and Sheila Mary Lyon (aged 12) were sisters who disappeared without a trace during a March 25, 1975[1] trip to a shopping mall in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Wheaton, Maryland. Known colloquially as The Lyon Sisters, their case resulted in one of the largest police investigations in Washington metropolitan area history.

In 2013, a team of cold case investigators with the Montgomery County, Maryland, police made a break in the case. They focused on Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr., then serving a lengthy prison sentence in Delaware for child sexual abuse, the culmination of a long criminal record that had begun a few years after the girls' disappearance with a burglary arrest in their jurisdiction. In September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and murder of the two sisters.[2] It had long been "one of the most high-profile unsolved cases in the D.C. area."[3] The girls' remains have never been found."

"Over a year later, in July 2015, Welch, then serving a lengthy sentence in Delaware on a child-molestation conviction, was indicted on first-degree felony murder for his alleged involvement in the deaths of Katherine and Sheila Lyon. He was also charged with abduction with intent to defile. The location of any remains of the girls' bodies is still unknown. Had Welch been brought to trial without the girls' bodies entered into evidence, it would have been the longest time to have elapsed between a murder and a trial in a bodiless murder conviction.[4]

Ultimately, in September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and killing of Katherine and Shelia Lyon in 1975. He received two 48-year sentences for the two counts of first degree felony murder he was facing."

This timeline, 18 years old in 1975, would have put Welch's childhood in the "halcyon" days of the late '50s and '60s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_o ... heila_Lyon

The sniper was active from 1972 to 1975. He claims to have killed someone as early as 1966 but it had not been confirmed. His weapon of choice was a shotgun.

[PizzaSnake]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

Of course not "all bad"; just not "better".
Unless you were a white, straight man in America...and I'm not so sure even that was "better", though relatively so...

Given thread topic, do you disagree?
I'm guessing you agree.

As noted, a lot of room for improvement, yes. In some respects it was better, IMO, though.
Kids played outside, weren't subjected to the vile cesspool that is social media, families sat
down at the dinner table, far fewer being raised by stepdads and stepmoms, parents number
one priority wasn't to be their children's best friend, didn't pay thousands for nine year olds to
to be on a ball team and travel hundreds of miles to play a game, the sugar loaded garbage
that is fast foods wasn't obese America's daily diet, people with ball sacks showered in the
boy's locker room after gym class, those without in the girl's locker room, was pretty simple.
Given the choice of being a nine-year-old in the 1959 world or a nine-year-old in the 2023
world I would choose the 1959 world every single time. Sure there is much that is better but
I don't think I knew one kid who was on Ritalin, anxiety and Xanax wasn't the norm (odd how
few mass murders there were back then, eh?), oh, and you could hitch hike from NY to San
Francisco and feel relatively safe about doing it.

“Why did this so-called Golden Age of Serial Killers end when it did?

First off, there were societal changes. As Holes points out, the Seventies saw a lot of killers preying on hitchhikers with no compunction about getting into a car with a stranger. “What ends up happening is, as a result of these crimes, women stop hitchhiking,” he says. “So now that victim pool is no longer there.” Murderers like the Golden State Killer and the Night Stalker — who broke into homes — were then deterred by the rise in home security systems. That’s why in the Nineties — when the children of Vietnam vets had grown up — serial killers mainly targeted sex workers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 21705/amp/

Interesting look at this period of horror. I would argue we are still beset by these creatures, but they act out in paroxysms of violence, not in slow “stalks”.

But the real question remains, “what is the crucible of this sociopathy?” I have a bad feeling there is and will be quite a large “bill” due in about ten years. If society fractures further under onslaught of rapid social dislocation from climate change and worker displacement (automation), all bets are off.

My cousin’s husband was killed by a serial sniper in the 1970s. We were terrified to play outside after dark. Shot him as he was getting into his car….the DC sniper reminded me of it.

This is the event that changed my parents behavior re supervision.

"Katherine Mary Lyon (aged 10) and Sheila Mary Lyon (aged 12) were sisters who disappeared without a trace during a March 25, 1975[1] trip to a shopping mall in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Wheaton, Maryland. Known colloquially as The Lyon Sisters, their case resulted in one of the largest police investigations in Washington metropolitan area history.

In 2013, a team of cold case investigators with the Montgomery County, Maryland, police made a break in the case. They focused on Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr., then serving a lengthy prison sentence in Delaware for child sexual abuse, the culmination of a long criminal record that had begun a few years after the girls' disappearance with a burglary arrest in their jurisdiction. In September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and murder of the two sisters.[2] It had long been "one of the most high-profile unsolved cases in the D.C. area."[3] The girls' remains have never been found."

"Over a year later, in July 2015, Welch, then serving a lengthy sentence in Delaware on a child-molestation conviction, was indicted on first-degree felony murder for his alleged involvement in the deaths of Katherine and Sheila Lyon. He was also charged with abduction with intent to defile. The location of any remains of the girls' bodies is still unknown. Had Welch been brought to trial without the girls' bodies entered into evidence, it would have been the longest time to have elapsed between a murder and a trial in a bodiless murder conviction.[4]

Ultimately, in September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and killing of Katherine and Shelia Lyon in 1975. He received two 48-year sentences for the two counts of first degree felony murder he was facing."

This timeline, 18 years old in 1975, would have put Welch's childhood in the "halcyon" days of the late '50s and '60s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_o ... heila_Lyon

The sniper was active from 1972 to 1975. He claims to have killed someone as early as 1966 but it had not been confirmed. His weapon of choice was a shotgun.

Age at apprehension? Looks like another '50s, '60s "child"....

Of course, today the sociopaths might choose say, a river rock.

"Broomfield police and North Metro Fire Rescue crews arrived and found Alexa in her car with a significant wound to her head, not moving and with no pulse. Investigators found a river rock on the side of the road with red staining that tested presumptive positive for blood.

Joseph Koenig, Nicholas "Mitch" Karol-Chik and Zachary Kwak were arrested Tuesday night into Wednesday morning. The suspects are all high school seniors."

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/s ... a-bartell/

Clearly this is all "A Fan's" fault...

[Typical Lax Dad]

I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

Of course not "all bad"; just not "better".
Unless you were a white, straight man in America...and I'm not so sure even that was "better", though relatively so...

Given thread topic, do you disagree?
I'm guessing you agree.

As noted, a lot of room for improvement, yes. In some respects it was better, IMO, though.
Kids played outside, weren't subjected to the vile cesspool that is social media, families sat
down at the dinner table, far fewer being raised by stepdads and stepmoms, parents number
one priority wasn't to be their children's best friend, didn't pay thousands for nine year olds to
to be on a ball team and travel hundreds of miles to play a game, the sugar loaded garbage
that is fast foods wasn't obese America's daily diet, people with ball sacks showered in the
boy's locker room after gym class, those without in the girl's locker room, was pretty simple.
Given the choice of being a nine-year-old in the 1959 world or a nine-year-old in the 2023
world I would choose the 1959 world every single time. Sure there is much that is better but
I don't think I knew one kid who was on Ritalin, anxiety and Xanax wasn't the norm (odd how
few mass murders there were back then, eh?), oh, and you could hitch hike from NY to San
Francisco and feel relatively safe about doing it.

“Why did this so-called Golden Age of Serial Killers end when it did?

First off, there were societal changes. As Holes points out, the Seventies saw a lot of killers preying on hitchhikers with no compunction about getting into a car with a stranger. “What ends up happening is, as a result of these crimes, women stop hitchhiking,” he says. “So now that victim pool is no longer there.” Murderers like the Golden State Killer and the Night Stalker — who broke into homes — were then deterred by the rise in home security systems. That’s why in the Nineties — when the children of Vietnam vets had grown up — serial killers mainly targeted sex workers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 21705/amp/

Interesting look at this period of horror. I would argue we are still beset by these creatures, but they act out in paroxysms of violence, not in slow “stalks”.

But the real question remains, “what is the crucible of this sociopathy?” I have a bad feeling there is and will be quite a large “bill” due in about ten years. If society fractures further under onslaught of rapid social dislocation from climate change and worker displacement (automation), all bets are off.

My cousin’s husband was killed by a serial sniper in the 1970s. We were terrified to play outside after dark. Shot him as he was getting into his car….the DC sniper reminded me of it.

This is the event that changed my parents behavior re supervision.

"Katherine Mary Lyon (aged 10) and Sheila Mary Lyon (aged 12) were sisters who disappeared without a trace during a March 25, 1975[1] trip to a shopping mall in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Wheaton, Maryland. Known colloquially as The Lyon Sisters, their case resulted in one of the largest police investigations in Washington metropolitan area history.

In 2013, a team of cold case investigators with the Montgomery County, Maryland, police made a break in the case. They focused on Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr., then serving a lengthy prison sentence in Delaware for child sexual abuse, the culmination of a long criminal record that had begun a few years after the girls' disappearance with a burglary arrest in their jurisdiction. In September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and murder of the two sisters.[2] It had long been "one of the most high-profile unsolved cases in the D.C. area."[3] The girls' remains have never been found."

"Over a year later, in July 2015, Welch, then serving a lengthy sentence in Delaware on a child-molestation conviction, was indicted on first-degree felony murder for his alleged involvement in the deaths of Katherine and Sheila Lyon. He was also charged with abduction with intent to defile. The location of any remains of the girls' bodies is still unknown. Had Welch been brought to trial without the girls' bodies entered into evidence, it would have been the longest time to have elapsed between a murder and a trial in a bodiless murder conviction.[4]

Ultimately, in September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and killing of Katherine and Shelia Lyon in 1975. He received two 48-year sentences for the two counts of first degree felony murder he was facing."

This timeline, 18 years old in 1975, would have put Welch's childhood in the "halcyon" days of the late '50s and '60s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_o ... heila_Lyon

The sniper was active from 1972 to 1975. He claims to have killed someone as early as 1966 but it had not been confirmed. His weapon of choice was a shotgun.

Age at apprehension? Looks like another '50s, '60s "child"....

Of course, today the sociopaths might choose say, a river rock.

"Broomfield police and North Metro Fire Rescue crews arrived and found Alexa in her car with a significant wound to her head, not moving and with no pulse. Investigators found a river rock on the side of the road with red staining that tested presumptive positive for blood.

Joseph Koenig, Nicholas "Mitch" Karol-Chik and Zachary Kwak were arrested Tuesday night into Wednesday morning. The suspects are all high school seniors."

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/s ... a-bartell/

Clearly this is all "A Fan's" fault...

Born in 1927 and claims his first killing was in 1966. Was triggered by 1960 social unrest….his claim. Hillbilly Elegy type originally from Kentucky.

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Interesting back and forth.

I think that one's sense of "better" is highly dependent on who you were and where, and what you knew about the realities of the world around you.

Factually, the 50's were not actually a "safer" time for many.
Child abuse, abuse and rape of women, street crime, frequently went unreported.
Indeed, women's rights, protection of children, were far worse, under the law, and in reality, than today.
We do know more about it today.

And, contrary to the argument about food, the 50's were when there was a huge surge in mass produced, sugar and salt laden, food...sheer garbage, with very little variety available. And it cost much more as a % of income. Food values and variety are far better today...which isn't to say our food policies and industrial food system don't have huge room for improvement and prioritization.

And, oh yeah, cigarettes were being advertised as "healthy".

And then there's race.
Is anyone seriously arguing that times were better for people of color in the 50's?

So, when we say we want to go back to the 50's, I think what is being said is that we wish "Father Knows Best" and "Beaver" etc "values" were actually a reality, which they weren't then, nor now. Sure, it'd be nice...