Was remarking on Penn’s performance, which was the comparative.
I’ll be sure to check with you re my next posting.
Was remarking on Penn’s performance, which was the comparative.
Okay but if we're comparing Penn and Denver, why does Denver deserve to get in over Penn? Did Denver not fckup in comparison to Penn? Still waiting on thatPizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 12:01 amWas remarking on Penn’s performance, which was the comparative.
I’ll be sure to check with you re my next posting.
Yup. And my point in proceeding texts is that they, Penn, just need to win. Enough of the comparative calculus and whingeing in the event they lose to Princeton. Having said that, beating Princeton again will be a challenge if Penn continues its lackluster performance of basic lacrosse fundamentals like catching and throwing and gbs. In general, player spacing in the offensive sets is ridiculous. Extremely long passes, lack of player movement off-ball. I see a tremendous number of "forced" passes to players who are not in a good position to receive the pass. If the pass is errant, high, low or on the ground, it's a turnover. I question what the hlel the coaching staff is doing. I guess the idea of NOT passing to the inside hand has been abandoned. Tighten up!!MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:50 am Penn almost certainly needs to beat Princeton to get in as an AL, due to Princeton's low RPI. Guessing Cornell lost a little bit of ground in the RPI despite their win, because of Princeton's lower RPI.
Now if Penn beats Princeton and faces Cornell in the finals, I would guess they get in regardless of the outcome. I'd also guess that Yale is in the same boat in the semis.
Say that scenario plays out, and ND beats UNC. Say AQs are Penn State, Cornell, and Georgetown. ALs would likely be:
UVa, Duke, ND, Maryland, Penn State, Yale, Penn, and the winner of the Denver/Villanova BE semi.
Much more clear-cut than last year.
If Yale is in the same boat in the semis, then I assume you mean they need to win. Yale can't win with Cornell getting the AQ; if Cornell gets the AQ, it means they beat Yale. Which, if I'm interpreting your "Yale is in the same boat..." comment correctly, means Yale would be out (according to you).MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:50 am I'd also guess that Yale is in the same boat in the semis.
Say AQs are Penn State, Cornell, and Georgetown. ALs would likely be:
UVa, Duke, ND, Maryland, Penn State, Yale, Penn, and the winner of the Denver/Villanova BE semi.
Much more clear-cut than last year.
Yeah - I totally mis-stated that - meant that a game against Cornell was enough to get either Yale or Penn in. Yale is playing Cornell in the semis, so a loss to Cornell wouldn’t hurt Yale’s RPI. Penn would need to beat Princeton to earn a game against Cornell… at which point a loss doesn’t hurt their RPI. And actually, if they beat Princeton and face Yale, a loss to Yale would probably also be enough to get them an AL.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 12:26 pmIf Yale is in the same boat in the semis, then I assume you mean they need to win. Yale can't win with Cornell getting the AQ; if Cornell gets the AQ, it means they beat Yale. Which, if I'm interpreting your "Yale is in the same boat..." comment correctly, means Yale would be out (according to you).MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:50 am I'd also guess that Yale is in the same boat in the semis.
Say AQs are Penn State, Cornell, and Georgetown. ALs would likely be:
UVa, Duke, ND, Maryland, Penn State, Yale, Penn, and the winner of the Denver/Villanova BE semi.
Much more clear-cut than last year.
Penn has lost 5 games and Cornell has lost 2. I don't think they are identical at all. It's not just about the best wins and worst losses.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:13 pm Go look at Penn and Cornell's resumes. They're basically identical.
Cornell
RPI: 8
SOS: 22
T5: 0-1
T10: 2-1
T20: 3-2
21+: 8-1
Penn
RPI: 10
SOS: 8
T5: 0-2
T10: 2-3
T20: 3-4
21+: 4-1
Cornell's best wins: #9 Yale, #10 Penn, #17 Princeton
Penn's best wins: #7 Georgetown, #9 Yale, #17 Princeton
Cornell's bad loss: #33 Harvard
Penn's bad loss: #31 Brown
The only tangible difference here is that Cornell won H2H. Which is enough for Cornell to be ahead of Penn in the pecking order for sure. But it's not so significant that Cornell would be in the tournament as a seed (meaning they're a lock) and Penn would be out of the tournament. I really don't understand the argument for Penn to be behind Yale or Denver tbh.
Yale has no Top 10 wins, the same number of Top 20 wins AND lost the H2H to Penn. Denver has no Top 10 wins, same # of Top 20 wins, is behind Penn in RPI, AND also has a bad loss. Villanova you could make the argument for based on H2H and having a Top 5 win, but they're behind in RPI and have 1 fewer Top 20 win.
Considering Penn has 2 more Top 10 wins and the H2H over Georgetown you could make a good argument for them getting the #8 seed over them even though that could be the 8-9 game either way.
If we assume the committee rankings wind up being reflective of what the order actually is, and I think someone posted above there's evidence there usually isn't correlation there, I think their order is probably Yale-Denver-Penn. They just have the wrong order of teams there. The Villanova-Denver loser is for sure out IMO. The winner + Penn + Yale are all likely in regardless of their results unless we get a Carolina win over ND + Providence bid steal + maybe Michigan beating Penn State gets them an argument since they would have two Top 10 wins. Of course Michigan winning B1G gets them AQ.
Thank you.laxreference wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:28 pm Penn has lost 5 games and Cornell has lost 2. I don't think they are identical at all. It's not just about the best wins and worst losses.
Oh, fcuk Quint. He’s a whingeing beatch.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:50 pm And Quint actually agrees with us. That’s how straightforward tourney selections will be this year.
SOS is wacked.laf wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:35 pm http://www.laxmath.com/men1.pdf
Probable 8 seeds and final 3 at-large: Penn, Yale and Denver.