The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

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old salt wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 8:32 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:46 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:29 pm Yep. Tolerance & acceptance is not sufficient. We must ALL embrace & celebrate.
Acceptance is enough. “Tolerate” is your word: accept or endure (someone or something unpleasant or disliked) with forbearance.
You need to accept the reality that a significant % of the multiracial male population of the world finds the thought of male-on-male sexual activity to be anywhere from uncomfortable to abhorrent. They are not likely to alter that reaction. That's likely due to not being sufficiently groomed at an impressionable age. No amount of virtue signalling shaming attempts are likely to change that reaction.
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old salt wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:29 pm Yep. Tolerance & acceptance is not sufficient. We must ALL embrace & celebrate.
That wasn't your sentence.
The "you" was referring to companies.

And yes they, the companies, must embrace and celebrate, else they won't be able to attract and retain the employees they want.

you, Salty, as a retired old guy, are free to not do so.
Acceptance is sufficient. Sounds like you're having trouble with even that.

The idiots and bigots who are making a big deal over this are not even getting to your initial bar, acceptance and tolerance..
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old salt wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:11 pm
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/ ... consumers/

Why Woke Companies Deliberately Alienate Their Consumers

By WILFRED REILLY, April 25, 2023
...Many large American companies, especially the “manly” ones, currently seem almost intent on alienating their primary consumer bases.

Obviously, St. Louis’s Anheuser-Busch recently attracted global attention after making Mulvaney — an adult male TikTok influencer, whose schtick is dressing and presenting as a hormonal teenage girl — one of its top few dozen faces of the brand. ...The reaction was fairly predictable...

...the oddest thing about all of this is that five minutes of research shows the Anheuser-Busch situation not to be a unique or even unusual example of extreme “social justice” marketing. ...Jack Daniel’s recently filmed an entire series of video-length, movie-quality promotional ads for Tennessee corn whiskey using the most flamboyant drag queens from RuPaul’s Drag Race. The National Basketball Association (NBA) only recently abandoned its George Floyd–era practice of literally painting “Black Lives Matter” on the hoops court and letting players wear explicitly political messages on game jerseys — making it possible to see “Racial Justice” just level “Equity” during a hard drive to the basket.

Over in football, the NFL did very much the same sort of thing, and apparently has never enforced an already tepid policy against players kneeling in protest, out on the field, during the national anthem. Nike — which equips both leagues, and whose legendary spokesman Michael Jordan once famously reminded a left-slanting reporter that “Republicans buy sneakers too” — has behaved similarly in recent years. The shoe giant not only gave a nine-figure-deal to most-famous kneeler Colin Kaepernick (is his signature sneaker designed for riding the bench? Marching in protest?) but also hired the unmistakably male Mulvaney to model women’s sportswear, such as sports bras. Finally, in perhaps the most notable example of a purely socially or politically driven decision by a business, Dick’s Sporting Goods opted in 2018 to stop selling almost all guns — despite the fact that there “was no upside in our economic analysis.”

The results of almost all these logically bizarre decisions were . . . pretty much what one would expect. In 2020, one debatably scientific but very large-n poll, which made it into the Daily Caller, found that nearly 90 percent of football fans would be less likely to watch an NFL where players visibly knelt before games. And, in fact, television ratings for the football league did drop more than 10 percent during the kneeling era (although the NFL has tried frantically to blame this on any other imaginable cause).

The NBA has faced similar if smaller-scale issues, with even famous coach Phil Jackson ...saying that he no longer watches many games because they are too annoyingly “political.” More empirically, Dick’s move flatly lost millions: In the first year after having given up firearms sales, the company lost $250,000,000 in revenue. And Bud? She lost billions — with a “b” — at least temporarily. Although causal proof here is difficult, plunges in the overall Anheuser-Busch stock price in the initial stretch of the beer boycott translated to a loss-against-cap of $5–6 billion in real money.

So, now, we get to a very obvious question: Why were these decisions ever made in the first place? ...How could anyone with a triple-digit IQ make such a long and consistently insane series of calls?

...the great Thomas Sowell provides a murky path with some illumination. In an entertaining and now-classic book, The Vision of the Anointed, Sowell makes the point that many members of the Western ruling class — including professors, media figures, politicians, and senior business executives — no longer like or understand the people that they are expected to lead. Almost universally, such would-be lairds are upper-middle or upper class in background, from the two coasts or at least one of the megacities around the Great Lakes, educated at elite Ivy-on-down universities, and well-versed in trendy social theory (“My preferred pronouns are . . .”).

Sowell claims, using a great deal of empirical data, that these folx tend to think of other Americans not as peers and countrymen so much as “the benighted” — and other more modern synonyms come easily to mind: “deplorables,” “bitter clingers” from “flyover land.” In Anointed/Benighted discourse, the goal of the Anointed isn’t an honest exchange of views so much as teaching the Benighted what the new truth is: changing and broadening their provincial little minds. It’s hard not to see a great deal of this dynamic specifically in the Dylan Mulvaney case — the executive responsible for that hire was the first female SVP ever to run the Bud Light brand, and she brutally condemned it as “fratty” and in need of some seasoning in a now-viral podcast interview.

So, how should regular citizens interact with brands that seem to hate or despise them? A short answer might be: Don’t, at least long enough for C-level executives to recognize that you notice what’s going on. After the stock-price plunge of Anheuser-Busch, the Mulvaney advertising campaign was withdrawn, and the VP responsible for it was placed on what one suspects will be a lengthy leave of absence. That took two weeks.

Even for the longer term, should you care this much about the politics of consumer goods, there are plenty of alternative versions of pretty much every product (the NFL might admittedly be an exception) in a capitalist marketplace such as America’s. Some are conservative: The Daily Wire created the now-booming Jeremy’s Razors brand in response to the surprising “wokeness” of companies such as Harry’s Razors and even Gillette — the latter of which recently ran an ad depicting a father teaching his biological daughter how to shave a beard. Others aren’t political at all: There are plenty of brewmasters in Mexico and Germany and dirty hipster warehouses in your own city that really just want to sell beer. All are out there. Take advantage!

That said, here’s one final note for the businesspeople who may be reading this (some perhaps even working at Anheuser): If you really want to make some money, put Riley Gaines on a beer can.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:48 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:11 pm
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/ ... consumers/

Why Woke Companies Deliberately Alienate Their Consumers

By WILFRED REILLY, April 25, 2023
...Many large American companies, especially the “manly” ones, currently seem almost intent on alienating their primary consumer bases.

Obviously, St. Louis’s Anheuser-Busch recently attracted global attention after making Mulvaney — an adult male TikTok influencer, whose schtick is dressing and presenting as a hormonal teenage girl — one of its top few dozen faces of the brand. ...The reaction was fairly predictable...

...the oddest thing about all of this is that five minutes of research shows the Anheuser-Busch situation not to be a unique or even unusual example of extreme “social justice” marketing. ...Jack Daniel’s recently filmed an entire series of video-length, movie-quality promotional ads for Tennessee corn whiskey using the most flamboyant drag queens from RuPaul’s Drag Race. The National Basketball Association (NBA) only recently abandoned its George Floyd–era practice of literally painting “Black Lives Matter” on the hoops court and letting players wear explicitly political messages on game jerseys — making it possible to see “Racial Justice” just level “Equity” during a hard drive to the basket.

Over in football, the NFL did very much the same sort of thing, and apparently has never enforced an already tepid policy against players kneeling in protest, out on the field, during the national anthem. Nike — which equips both leagues, and whose legendary spokesman Michael Jordan once famously reminded a left-slanting reporter that “Republicans buy sneakers too” — has behaved similarly in recent years. The shoe giant not only gave a nine-figure-deal to most-famous kneeler Colin Kaepernick (is his signature sneaker designed for riding the bench? Marching in protest?) but also hired the unmistakably male Mulvaney to model women’s sportswear, such as sports bras. Finally, in perhaps the most notable example of a purely socially or politically driven decision by a business, Dick’s Sporting Goods opted in 2018 to stop selling almost all guns — despite the fact that there “was no upside in our economic analysis.”

The results of almost all these logically bizarre decisions were . . . pretty much what one would expect. In 2020, one debatably scientific but very large-n poll, which made it into the Daily Caller, found that nearly 90 percent of football fans would be less likely to watch an NFL where players visibly knelt before games. And, in fact, television ratings for the football league did drop more than 10 percent during the kneeling era (although the NFL has tried frantically to blame this on any other imaginable cause).

The NBA has faced similar if smaller-scale issues, with even famous coach Phil Jackson ...saying that he no longer watches many games because they are too annoyingly “political.” More empirically, Dick’s move flatly lost millions: In the first year after having given up firearms sales, the company lost $250,000,000 in revenue. And Bud? She lost billions — with a “b” — at least temporarily. Although causal proof here is difficult, plunges in the overall Anheuser-Busch stock price in the initial stretch of the beer boycott translated to a loss-against-cap of $5–6 billion in real money.

So, now, we get to a very obvious question: Why were these decisions ever made in the first place? ...How could anyone with a triple-digit IQ make such a long and consistently insane series of calls?

...the great Thomas Sowell provides a murky path with some illumination. In an entertaining and now-classic book, The Vision of the Anointed, Sowell makes the point that many members of the Western ruling class — including professors, media figures, politicians, and senior business executives — no longer like or understand the people that they are expected to lead. Almost universally, such would-be lairds are upper-middle or upper class in background, from the two coasts or at least one of the megacities around the Great Lakes, educated at elite Ivy-on-down universities, and well-versed in trendy social theory (“My preferred pronouns are . . .”).

Sowell claims, using a great deal of empirical data, that these folx tend to think of other Americans not as peers and countrymen so much as “the benighted” — and other more modern synonyms come easily to mind: “deplorables,” “bitter clingers” from “flyover land.” In Anointed/Benighted discourse, the goal of the Anointed isn’t an honest exchange of views so much as teaching the Benighted what the new truth is: changing and broadening their provincial little minds. It’s hard not to see a great deal of this dynamic specifically in the Dylan Mulvaney case — the executive responsible for that hire was the first female SVP ever to run the Bud Light brand, and she brutally condemned it as “fratty” and in need of some seasoning in a now-viral podcast interview.

So, how should regular citizens interact with brands that seem to hate or despise them? A short answer might be: Don’t, at least long enough for C-level executives to recognize that you notice what’s going on. After the stock-price plunge of Anheuser-Busch, the Mulvaney advertising campaign was withdrawn, and the VP responsible for it was placed on what one suspects will be a lengthy leave of absence. That took two weeks.

Even for the longer term, should you care this much about the politics of consumer goods, there are plenty of alternative versions of pretty much every product (the NFL might admittedly be an exception) in a capitalist marketplace such as America’s. Some are conservative: The Daily Wire created the now-booming Jeremy’s Razors brand in response to the surprising “wokeness” of companies such as Harry’s Razors and even Gillette — the latter of which recently ran an ad depicting a father teaching his biological daughter how to shave a beard. Others aren’t political at all: There are plenty of brewmasters in Mexico and Germany and dirty hipster warehouses in your own city that really just want to sell beer. All are out there. Take advantage!

That said, here’s one final note for the businesspeople who may be reading this (some perhaps even working at Anheuser): If you really want to make some money, put Riley Gaines on a beer can.
https://nypost.com/2023/04/27/knicks-fa ... ation/amp/
Dick's stopped selling assault weapons in February 2018.

https://www.marketplace.org/2019/10/07/ ... ling-guns/

The stock price was $33 per share. In their history, they'd never been above $61.
Their revenue was about $8.5B at the time.

good HBR article/case study on what happened: https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/dicks-sporti ... t-paid-off

The stock price now is $144.
Revenue above $12B annually.

I dunno, seems like giving up $250 million in annual revenue from assault weapons worked out just fine...

Note, Anheuser Busch is handling its controversy very poorly, likely because the decision wasn't actually made from the top, a culture decision, rather it was made by a marketing executive whose decision has been since undercut. She was simply trying to reach a broader, younger audience...a good instinct, but the CEO's waffling since calls into question the actual culture at the company. The stock price is actually higher than it was just two months ago, so hard to say any real damage was done, but I'd predict that the company won't have the big positive trajectory that Dick's enjoyed in the years after their decision. It's the difference between being authentic ...and not.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:09 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:48 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:11 pm
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/ ... consumers/

Why Woke Companies Deliberately Alienate Their Consumers

By WILFRED REILLY, April 25, 2023
...Many large American companies, especially the “manly” ones, currently seem almost intent on alienating their primary consumer bases.

Obviously, St. Louis’s Anheuser-Busch recently attracted global attention after making Mulvaney — an adult male TikTok influencer, whose schtick is dressing and presenting as a hormonal teenage girl — one of its top few dozen faces of the brand. ...The reaction was fairly predictable...

...the oddest thing about all of this is that five minutes of research shows the Anheuser-Busch situation not to be a unique or even unusual example of extreme “social justice” marketing. ...Jack Daniel’s recently filmed an entire series of video-length, movie-quality promotional ads for Tennessee corn whiskey using the most flamboyant drag queens from RuPaul’s Drag Race. The National Basketball Association (NBA) only recently abandoned its George Floyd–era practice of literally painting “Black Lives Matter” on the hoops court and letting players wear explicitly political messages on game jerseys — making it possible to see “Racial Justice” just level “Equity” during a hard drive to the basket.

Over in football, the NFL did very much the same sort of thing, and apparently has never enforced an already tepid policy against players kneeling in protest, out on the field, during the national anthem. Nike — which equips both leagues, and whose legendary spokesman Michael Jordan once famously reminded a left-slanting reporter that “Republicans buy sneakers too” — has behaved similarly in recent years. The shoe giant not only gave a nine-figure-deal to most-famous kneeler Colin Kaepernick (is his signature sneaker designed for riding the bench? Marching in protest?) but also hired the unmistakably male Mulvaney to model women’s sportswear, such as sports bras. Finally, in perhaps the most notable example of a purely socially or politically driven decision by a business, Dick’s Sporting Goods opted in 2018 to stop selling almost all guns — despite the fact that there “was no upside in our economic analysis.”

The results of almost all these logically bizarre decisions were . . . pretty much what one would expect. In 2020, one debatably scientific but very large-n poll, which made it into the Daily Caller, found that nearly 90 percent of football fans would be less likely to watch an NFL where players visibly knelt before games. And, in fact, television ratings for the football league did drop more than 10 percent during the kneeling era (although the NFL has tried frantically to blame this on any other imaginable cause).

The NBA has faced similar if smaller-scale issues, with even famous coach Phil Jackson ...saying that he no longer watches many games because they are too annoyingly “political.” More empirically, Dick’s move flatly lost millions: In the first year after having given up firearms sales, the company lost $250,000,000 in revenue. And Bud? She lost billions — with a “b” — at least temporarily. Although causal proof here is difficult, plunges in the overall Anheuser-Busch stock price in the initial stretch of the beer boycott translated to a loss-against-cap of $5–6 billion in real money.

So, now, we get to a very obvious question: Why were these decisions ever made in the first place? ...How could anyone with a triple-digit IQ make such a long and consistently insane series of calls?

...the great Thomas Sowell provides a murky path with some illumination. In an entertaining and now-classic book, The Vision of the Anointed, Sowell makes the point that many members of the Western ruling class — including professors, media figures, politicians, and senior business executives — no longer like or understand the people that they are expected to lead. Almost universally, such would-be lairds are upper-middle or upper class in background, from the two coasts or at least one of the megacities around the Great Lakes, educated at elite Ivy-on-down universities, and well-versed in trendy social theory (“My preferred pronouns are . . .”).

Sowell claims, using a great deal of empirical data, that these folx tend to think of other Americans not as peers and countrymen so much as “the benighted” — and other more modern synonyms come easily to mind: “deplorables,” “bitter clingers” from “flyover land.” In Anointed/Benighted discourse, the goal of the Anointed isn’t an honest exchange of views so much as teaching the Benighted what the new truth is: changing and broadening their provincial little minds. It’s hard not to see a great deal of this dynamic specifically in the Dylan Mulvaney case — the executive responsible for that hire was the first female SVP ever to run the Bud Light brand, and she brutally condemned it as “fratty” and in need of some seasoning in a now-viral podcast interview.

So, how should regular citizens interact with brands that seem to hate or despise them? A short answer might be: Don’t, at least long enough for C-level executives to recognize that you notice what’s going on. After the stock-price plunge of Anheuser-Busch, the Mulvaney advertising campaign was withdrawn, and the VP responsible for it was placed on what one suspects will be a lengthy leave of absence. That took two weeks.

Even for the longer term, should you care this much about the politics of consumer goods, there are plenty of alternative versions of pretty much every product (the NFL might admittedly be an exception) in a capitalist marketplace such as America’s. Some are conservative: The Daily Wire created the now-booming Jeremy’s Razors brand in response to the surprising “wokeness” of companies such as Harry’s Razors and even Gillette — the latter of which recently ran an ad depicting a father teaching his biological daughter how to shave a beard. Others aren’t political at all: There are plenty of brewmasters in Mexico and Germany and dirty hipster warehouses in your own city that really just want to sell beer. All are out there. Take advantage!

That said, here’s one final note for the businesspeople who may be reading this (some perhaps even working at Anheuser): If you really want to make some money, put Riley Gaines on a beer can.
https://nypost.com/2023/04/27/knicks-fa ... ation/amp/
Dick's stopped selling assault weapons in February 2018.

https://www.marketplace.org/2019/10/07/ ... ling-guns/

The stock price was $33 per share. In their history, they'd never been above $61.
Their revenue was about $8.5B at the time.

good HBR article/case study on what happened: https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/dicks-sporti ... t-paid-off

The stock price now is $144.
Revenue above $12B annually.

I dunno, seems like giving up $250 million in annual revenue from assault weapons worked out just fine...
You don’t let the Clampetts run your business:

https://www.ft.com/content/ec437651-7b2 ... f0a6f7722e
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:09 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:48 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:11 pm
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/ ... consumers/

Why Woke Companies Deliberately Alienate Their Consumers

By WILFRED REILLY, April 25, 2023
...Many large American companies, especially the “manly” ones, currently seem almost intent on alienating their primary consumer bases.

Obviously, St. Louis’s Anheuser-Busch recently attracted global attention after making Mulvaney — an adult male TikTok influencer, whose schtick is dressing and presenting as a hormonal teenage girl — one of its top few dozen faces of the brand. ...The reaction was fairly predictable...

...the oddest thing about all of this is that five minutes of research shows the Anheuser-Busch situation not to be a unique or even unusual example of extreme “social justice” marketing. ...Jack Daniel’s recently filmed an entire series of video-length, movie-quality promotional ads for Tennessee corn whiskey using the most flamboyant drag queens from RuPaul’s Drag Race. The National Basketball Association (NBA) only recently abandoned its George Floyd–era practice of literally painting “Black Lives Matter” on the hoops court and letting players wear explicitly political messages on game jerseys — making it possible to see “Racial Justice” just level “Equity” during a hard drive to the basket.

Over in football, the NFL did very much the same sort of thing, and apparently has never enforced an already tepid policy against players kneeling in protest, out on the field, during the national anthem. Nike — which equips both leagues, and whose legendary spokesman Michael Jordan once famously reminded a left-slanting reporter that “Republicans buy sneakers too” — has behaved similarly in recent years. The shoe giant not only gave a nine-figure-deal to most-famous kneeler Colin Kaepernick (is his signature sneaker designed for riding the bench? Marching in protest?) but also hired the unmistakably male Mulvaney to model women’s sportswear, such as sports bras. Finally, in perhaps the most notable example of a purely socially or politically driven decision by a business, Dick’s Sporting Goods opted in 2018 to stop selling almost all guns — despite the fact that there “was no upside in our economic analysis.”

The results of almost all these logically bizarre decisions were . . . pretty much what one would expect. In 2020, one debatably scientific but very large-n poll, which made it into the Daily Caller, found that nearly 90 percent of football fans would be less likely to watch an NFL where players visibly knelt before games. And, in fact, television ratings for the football league did drop more than 10 percent during the kneeling era (although the NFL has tried frantically to blame this on any other imaginable cause).

The NBA has faced similar if smaller-scale issues, with even famous coach Phil Jackson ...saying that he no longer watches many games because they are too annoyingly “political.” More empirically, Dick’s move flatly lost millions: In the first year after having given up firearms sales, the company lost $250,000,000 in revenue. And Bud? She lost billions — with a “b” — at least temporarily. Although causal proof here is difficult, plunges in the overall Anheuser-Busch stock price in the initial stretch of the beer boycott translated to a loss-against-cap of $5–6 billion in real money.

So, now, we get to a very obvious question: Why were these decisions ever made in the first place? ...How could anyone with a triple-digit IQ make such a long and consistently insane series of calls?

...the great Thomas Sowell provides a murky path with some illumination. In an entertaining and now-classic book, The Vision of the Anointed, Sowell makes the point that many members of the Western ruling class — including professors, media figures, politicians, and senior business executives — no longer like or understand the people that they are expected to lead. Almost universally, such would-be lairds are upper-middle or upper class in background, from the two coasts or at least one of the megacities around the Great Lakes, educated at elite Ivy-on-down universities, and well-versed in trendy social theory (“My preferred pronouns are . . .”).

Sowell claims, using a great deal of empirical data, that these folx tend to think of other Americans not as peers and countrymen so much as “the benighted” — and other more modern synonyms come easily to mind: “deplorables,” “bitter clingers” from “flyover land.” In Anointed/Benighted discourse, the goal of the Anointed isn’t an honest exchange of views so much as teaching the Benighted what the new truth is: changing and broadening their provincial little minds. It’s hard not to see a great deal of this dynamic specifically in the Dylan Mulvaney case — the executive responsible for that hire was the first female SVP ever to run the Bud Light brand, and she brutally condemned it as “fratty” and in need of some seasoning in a now-viral podcast interview.

So, how should regular citizens interact with brands that seem to hate or despise them? A short answer might be: Don’t, at least long enough for C-level executives to recognize that you notice what’s going on. After the stock-price plunge of Anheuser-Busch, the Mulvaney advertising campaign was withdrawn, and the VP responsible for it was placed on what one suspects will be a lengthy leave of absence. That took two weeks.

Even for the longer term, should you care this much about the politics of consumer goods, there are plenty of alternative versions of pretty much every product (the NFL might admittedly be an exception) in a capitalist marketplace such as America’s. Some are conservative: The Daily Wire created the now-booming Jeremy’s Razors brand in response to the surprising “wokeness” of companies such as Harry’s Razors and even Gillette — the latter of which recently ran an ad depicting a father teaching his biological daughter how to shave a beard. Others aren’t political at all: There are plenty of brewmasters in Mexico and Germany and dirty hipster warehouses in your own city that really just want to sell beer. All are out there. Take advantage!

That said, here’s one final note for the businesspeople who may be reading this (some perhaps even working at Anheuser): If you really want to make some money, put Riley Gaines on a beer can.
https://nypost.com/2023/04/27/knicks-fa ... ation/amp/
Dick's stopped selling assault weapons in February 2018.

https://www.marketplace.org/2019/10/07/ ... ling-guns/

The stock price was $33 per share. In their history, they'd never been above $61.
Their revenue was about $8.5B at the time.

good HBR article/case study on what happened: https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/dicks-sporti ... t-paid-off

The stock price now is $144.
Revenue above $12B annually.

I dunno, seems like giving up $250 million in annual revenue from assault weapons worked out just fine...
You don’t let the Clampetts run your business:

https://www.ft.com/content/ec437651-7b2 ... f0a6f7722e
As I just added above, not so sure AB InBev is going to enjoy the benefits of an authentic culture choice that Dick's found. Too much waffling.
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Beyond stupid even for Christian Karens. These people have no idea how to raise children. Their kids would be much better off raised by gay parents.
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jhu72 wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:10 pm Beyond stupid even for Christian Karens. These people have no idea how to raise children. Their kids would be much better off raised by gay parents.
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...was Dick's growth due to their "culture change" to stop selling guns ? Maybe they're just a good company, with a broad enough offering, that it was not a significant factor.
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:14 pm ...was Dick's growth due to their "culture change" to stop selling guns ? Maybe they're just a good company, with a broad enough offering, that it was not a significant factor.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:09 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:14 pm ...was Dick's growth due to their "culture change" to stop selling guns ? Maybe they're just a good company, with a broad enough offering, that it was not a significant factor.
Like InBev.
InBev is big enough & diverse enough in their offerings that this is just a minor blip.
The cautionary lesson is in the short term revenue hit & becoming the center of a controversy.
Is it worth it, or safer to just not address the issue in advertising ?
That's a question every business has to decide for themselves.
Will young people no longer want to consume the product or work for beer brewers who don't address the issue in their advertising ?
Would Miller ask John Madden to appear in drag, if he was still with us ?
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:47 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:09 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:14 pm ...was Dick's growth due to their "culture change" to stop selling guns ? Maybe they're just a good company, with a broad enough offering, that it was not a significant factor.
Like InBev.
InBev is big enough & diverse enough in their offerings that this is just a minor blip.
The cautionary lesson is in the short term revenue hit & becoming the center of a controversy.
Is it worth it, or safer to just not address the issue in advertising ?
That's a question every business has to decide for themselves.
Will young people no longer want to consume the product or work for beer brewers who don't address the issue in their advertising ?
Would Miller ask John Madden to appear in drag, if he was still with us ?
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runrussellrun wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:13 pm
jhu72 wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:10 pm Beyond stupid even for Christian Karens. These people have no idea how to raise children. Their kids would be much better off raised by gay parents.
YEs.....this.....thirty pluses... :arrow: :arrow:


ALL...repeat...All HOMOsexuals are incredible humans.

ALL of them.

all you evah got is bill gates fear porn...... just lame

...remember, the parents of rape victims are domestic terrorists.....

wanting to know why, the now convicted rapists, a MALE.....got access to women to rape. School district shifted him around, to commit ANOTHER rape, at another Louden cty school........you go Virginia. clowns.
... Bill Gates has nothing to do with this article. I know he triggers you, but pay attention Mr. Shalllow End.
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:47 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:09 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:14 pm ...was Dick's growth due to their "culture change" to stop selling guns ? Maybe they're just a good company, with a broad enough offering, that it was not a significant factor.
Like InBev.
InBev is big enough & diverse enough in their offerings that this is just a minor blip.
The cautionary lesson is in the short term revenue hit & becoming the center of a controversy.
Is it worth it, or safer to just not address the issue in advertising ?
That's a question every business has to decide for themselves.
Will young people no longer want to consume the product or work for beer brewers who don't address the issue in their advertising ?
Would Miller ask John Madden to appear in drag, if he was still with us ?
InBev is actually fumbling this issue now, so I'm not sure they will get the positive benefits of actual clarity of culture. Remains to be seen.
As to young people wanting to work for beer makers, certainly some will...cigarette companies had employees...still do...but will they attract the best digitally savvy young marketers? Big budgets to work with has been and always will be attractive...but only up to a point. If the company gets a reputation as the opposite of inclusive, uninterested in attracting all potential market niches...the best young people will go to another beverage company that better matches their values or to another industry altogether.

But yeah, Dick's culture is critical to its success. The quality of its people is critical. The decision to drop assault weapons, sacrificing $250 million in revenue, and braving the ire of right wingers, was unexpected, but in retrospect was consistent with the culture they wanted. And that culture has paid off big time.
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https://www.ft.com/content/3a84b28c-912 ... e597766a93


Anheuser-Busch announced this week that two executives had gone on leaves of absence after a stunt for Bud Light involving Dylan Mulvaney, a transgender actress and TikTok influencer, became the latest battle in the US culture war. Their fate will send a shiver down the spines of many other marketers.

“We never intended to be part of a discussion that divides people. We are in the business of bringing people together over a beer,” Anheuser-Busch’s chief executive, Brendan Whitworth, had pleaded earlier. Well, good luck with that. Sales of Bud Light plunged after rightwing politicians and celebrities condemned it for being a “woke company” and boycotted the brand.


Instagram followers. “This month, I celebrated my day 365 of womanhood and Bud Light sent me possibly the best gift ever, a can with my face on it,” she said. Anheuser-Busch, part of AB InBev, said Mulvaney was one of “hundreds” of influencers it used for its brands.

A familiar storm of media outrage and faux offence followed Bud Light’s attempt to broaden its market. Alissa Heinerscheid, the brand’s vice-president of marketing and one of the pair now on leave, came in for a drubbing. “She wants to sell to people who, up until now, have had little or no interest in buying or drinking Bud Light,” thundered Jim Geraghty in the conservative National Review.

Forgive me, but I thought that was the point of marketing, especially when you are trying to revive a brand in long-term decline because fewer Americans who, in his words, “own guns, donate to pro-life causes, or drive a pick-up truck” actually buy it. Even before Mulvaney’s video, its US volume sales had fallen 6.4 per cent in the year to March 24, according to Nielsen data.

The brand does not fit the red state stereotype, anyway: it was launched in 1982 as a lower carbohydrate, less bitter, spin-off of Budweiser. It followed Miller Lite, which originated as a diet beer for calorie counters in the new age of fitness. The beers now taking sales from both are sharper imports, such as Corona, Peroni Nastro Azzurro, and Modelo Especial.

Bud Light is a fading asset that needs to regain some cachet among millennials and Gen-Zers: never mind gender inclusivity, that is economic reality. As Heinerscheid admitted with admirable honesty in a podcast interview: “If we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there will be no future for Bud Light.”


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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:29 am
Forgive me, but I thought that was the point of marketing, especially when you are trying to revive a brand in long-term decline because fewer Americans who, in his words, “own guns, donate to pro-life causes, or drive a pick-up truck” actually buy it. Even before Mulvaney’s video, its US volume sales had fallen 6.4 per cent in the year to March 24, according to Nielsen data.

The brand does not fit the red state stereotype, anyway: it was launched in 1982 as a lower carbohydrate, less bitter, spin-off of Budweiser. It followed Miller Lite, which originated as a diet beer for calorie counters in the new age of fitness. The beers now taking sales from both are sharper imports, such as Corona, Peroni Nastro Azzurro, and Modelo Especial.

Bud Light is a fading asset that needs to regain some cachet among millennials and Gen-Zers: never mind gender inclusivity, that is economic reality. As Heinerscheid admitted with admirable honesty in a podcast interview: “If we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there will be no future for Bud Light.”


Time marches on
I stopped buying Light Beer when they put Black guys in the Ads in the 70's. Tired of the post-50's "woke agenda" of cramming non-white, non-Christians down our throats.

Next thing you know, they'll let women have jobs.....or worse, vote. Or play sports.

Wish we could turn back the hands of time back to where my daughter wasn't allowed to do....well, anything.

If I vote for DeSantis, do you think he can bring back those glorious times?
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a fan wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:03 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:29 am
Forgive me, but I thought that was the point of marketing, especially when you are trying to revive a brand in long-term decline because fewer Americans who, in his words, “own guns, donate to pro-life causes, or drive a pick-up truck” actually buy it. Even before Mulvaney’s video, its US volume sales had fallen 6.4 per cent in the year to March 24, according to Nielsen data.

The brand does not fit the red state stereotype, anyway: it was launched in 1982 as a lower carbohydrate, less bitter, spin-off of Budweiser. It followed Miller Lite, which originated as a diet beer for calorie counters in the new age of fitness. The beers now taking sales from both are sharper imports, such as Corona, Peroni Nastro Azzurro, and Modelo Especial.

Bud Light is a fading asset that needs to regain some cachet among millennials and Gen-Zers: never mind gender inclusivity, that is economic reality. As Heinerscheid admitted with admirable honesty in a podcast interview: “If we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there will be no future for Bud Light.”


Time marches on
I stopped buying Light Beer when they put Black guys in the Ads in the 70's. Tired of the post-50's "woke agenda" of cramming non-white, non-Christians down our throats.

Next thing you know, they'll let women have jobs.....or worse, vote. Or play sports.

Wish we could turn back the hands of time back to where my daughter wasn't allowed to do....well, anything.

If I vote for DeSantis, do you think he can bring back those glorious times?
Things were better in the 1950s.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:09 pm
a fan wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:03 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:29 am
Forgive me, but I thought that was the point of marketing, especially when you are trying to revive a brand in long-term decline because fewer Americans who, in his words, “own guns, donate to pro-life causes, or drive a pick-up truck” actually buy it. Even before Mulvaney’s video, its US volume sales had fallen 6.4 per cent in the year to March 24, according to Nielsen data.

The brand does not fit the red state stereotype, anyway: it was launched in 1982 as a lower carbohydrate, less bitter, spin-off of Budweiser. It followed Miller Lite, which originated as a diet beer for calorie counters in the new age of fitness. The beers now taking sales from both are sharper imports, such as Corona, Peroni Nastro Azzurro, and Modelo Especial.

Bud Light is a fading asset that needs to regain some cachet among millennials and Gen-Zers: never mind gender inclusivity, that is economic reality. As Heinerscheid admitted with admirable honesty in a podcast interview: “If we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there will be no future for Bud Light.”


Time marches on
I stopped buying Light Beer when they put Black guys in the Ads in the 70's. Tired of the post-50's "woke agenda" of cramming non-white, non-Christians down our throats.

Next thing you know, they'll let women have jobs.....or worse, vote. Or play sports.

Wish we could turn back the hands of time back to where my daughter wasn't allowed to do....well, anything.

If I vote for DeSantis, do you think he can bring back those glorious times?
Things were better in the 1950s.
Maybe they were better. The 1950s gave us Leave it to Beaver. The 1990s gave us Jerry Springer. Think about it. Mrs Cleaver wasn't screwing the next door neighbor, as far as we know.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:06 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:09 pm
a fan wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:03 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:29 am
Forgive me, but I thought that was the point of marketing, especially when you are trying to revive a brand in long-term decline because fewer Americans who, in his words, “own guns, donate to pro-life causes, or drive a pick-up truck” actually buy it. Even before Mulvaney’s video, its US volume sales had fallen 6.4 per cent in the year to March 24, according to Nielsen data.

The brand does not fit the red state stereotype, anyway: it was launched in 1982 as a lower carbohydrate, less bitter, spin-off of Budweiser. It followed Miller Lite, which originated as a diet beer for calorie counters in the new age of fitness. The beers now taking sales from both are sharper imports, such as Corona, Peroni Nastro Azzurro, and Modelo Especial.

Bud Light is a fading asset that needs to regain some cachet among millennials and Gen-Zers: never mind gender inclusivity, that is economic reality. As Heinerscheid admitted with admirable honesty in a podcast interview: “If we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there will be no future for Bud Light.”


Time marches on
I stopped buying Light Beer when they put Black guys in the Ads in the 70's. Tired of the post-50's "woke agenda" of cramming non-white, non-Christians down our throats.

Next thing you know, they'll let women have jobs.....or worse, vote. Or play sports.

Wish we could turn back the hands of time back to where my daughter wasn't allowed to do....well, anything.

If I vote for DeSantis, do you think he can bring back those glorious times?
Things were better in the 1950s.
Maybe they were better. The 1950s gave us Leave it to Beaver. The 1990s gave us Jerry Springer. Think about it. Mrs Cleaver wasn't screwing the next door neighbor, as far as we know.
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How many of you here are old enough to even remember the 50s, let alone know what it was like to grow up then?
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