Cornell 2023

[MoralTerpitude]

Cascadilla Hall is still a dorm

Cool! Couldn’t beat the location.

[joewillie78]

Cascadilla Hall is still a dorm

Theirs also a great local IPA beer (ithaca brewing company I believe) , called Cascazilla.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

[another fan]

Petrakis is below 50% for the year… and actually has a worse percentage than last year. Not sure if this is a trend, but Buczek has only played him in six faceoffs the last two games.

By contrast, Cascadden is at 63%. And to your point about HS faceoff skills translating to D1, Cascadden was the #23 overall recruit per IL.

As a side note… is Cascadilla still a dorm? I think of it every time I hear Cascadden’s name.

Petrakis has been inconsistent throughout his career. He has had some strong games at key moments, though. He also has had problems this season with procedure calls, leading to man downs. Yes, Cascadden has transitioned well. But Petrakis was either the top or second ranked fogo coming out of HS, and I think he may also have been higher than the 23rd national recruit.

[Laxfanatic2022]

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This is one of those random pieces of analysis where I believe that my calculations are correct...

Both Cornell and Princeton have strong contenders for both Ivy POY and First Team All-Ivy goaltender. Some statistics going into next Saturday's game:

POY: CJ Kirst vs Coulter Mackesy:

Mackesy:

vs Ivy Goals: 24
vs Ivy Assists: 11
vs Ivy Points: 35

Kirst:

vs Ivy Goals: 27
vs Ivy Assists: 5
vs Ivy Points: 32

First Team Goalie: Chayse Ierlan vs Michael Gianforcaro

Gianforcaro:

vs Ivy saves: 76
vs Ivy Goals Allowed: 43
Save % vs Ivy: 64%

Ierlan:

vs Ivy saves: 65
vs Ivy Goals Allowed: 41
Save % vs Ivy: 61%

These numbers are vey close. I believe that the All-Ivy team is picked based on the regular season (I am happy to be corrected). This coming game will most likely tip the scales one way or another.

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It’s a weird argument here because Mackesy has to go up against the best defenseman in the country in Gavin Adler. Let’s not forget that Adler would win IVY POY if Kirst wasn’t producing at such an insane level. I expect the matchup to be great but Mackesy finds goals off ball a ton while Kirst is way more of a dodging threat. Really looking forward to seeing the game Saturday. Final score prediction Cornell 15 Princeton 11

Here's a way of possibly estimating the "Adler Factor."

1. Identify each Ivy team's top scorer
2. Look up their goals, assists, and total points. Do this for both "all games" and "Ivy games."
3. If they've played Cornell already, look up their goals, assists, and total points for the Cornell game.
4. Adjust both their "all games" and "Ivy games" values by subtracting the Cornell values for goals, assists, and total points. These values will be the totals scored in games against teams other than Cornell.
5. Divide these totals by the number of non-Cornell games played. These will then be each top-scorer's average goals, assists, and points scored per game against teams other than Cornell. Call these the "adjusted averages."
6. Divide the corresponding values for goals, assists, and points for the Cornell game by the averages computed in the previous step.
7. While you're at it, total the number of goals, assists, and total points by the top scorers in their games against Cornell. Divide these totals by the number of games Cornell has played against other Ivies. For the record, as of today Cornell has played 5 games against other Ivies and had 11, 6, and 17 goals, assists, and points scored by the other team's top scorers. The top scorers have averaged 2.2 goals, 1.2 assists, and 3.4 points against Cornell.
8. Divide each top scorer's goals, assists, and total points in their game against Cornell by the corresponding values for their adjusted averages. This gives index numbers for each top scorer. Each index number represents the percent of their adjusted season averages the top scorer achieved in their game against Cornell.
9. For example, Penn's Sam Handley scored 3 goals and 1 assist against Cornell but averaged 1.9 goals, 2.0 assists, or 3.9 total points against all other teams; he also averaged 2.0 goals, 2.6 assists, and 4.6 total points against other Ivy teams. So his index numbers for goals, assists, and points are 158%, 50%, and 102.6% compared to his performance against all other teams and compared to his performance against just other Ivy teams, 150%, 385, and 87% against Cornell.
10. Overall, when they played against Cornell, the top scorers on other Ivy teams scored 59.2% of the average number of goals they scored against other Ivy teams, 64.9% of the number of assists, and 55.2% of the total number of points. The corresponding averages are 83.8%, 72.4%, and 79.8% for the top scorers' performance against Cornell relative to their performance in all other games.
11. Coulter Mackesy hasn't played Cornell yet, so we can't compute his index number. But we can repeat this exercise, removing Princeton from the totals the same way we removed Cornell. Then we compare his performance against the other Ivies versus the other top scorers'. This is left as an exercise for the reader.

Calling this an "Adler Factor" implies quite a few assumptions:

• Adler always guards the other team's top scorer. Besides slides, picks, etc., sometimes this is impossible. For example, Yale's Matt Brandau and Chris Lyons are tied with 52 total points during the season. Adler probably tried, but he couldn't guard them both simultaneously. I do believe he gave Brandau most of his attention, and Brandau scored only a goal and an assist against Cornell. Meanwhile, Lyons scored 3 goals. Brandau was held to 44% of his Ivy-only scoring, while Lyons achieved 63%. If Adler was primarily responsible for Brandau's subpar performance, and Adler achieves the same thing with Mackesy, we'd expect Mackesy to score about 4 points, most likely with 3 goals and 1 assist.
• Characteristics of opposing players and their teams' styles of play might cause Adler to be assigned to mark someone other than the other team's "top scorer."
• Game situations and coaching decisions affect these statistics. For example, in a 10-point blowout, coaches might decide to eat up the clock or clear the bench, in which case perhaps only data for the 1st 3 quarters should be used.
• The team might play zone or use a 5 + 1 defensive formation, in which case Adler would not necessarily be covering the other team's top scorer.
• A team's top scorer might change as the season progresses, due to injuries, younger players becoming acclimated to the college game, etc. A coach studying films from the first two games of the season might assign Adler to player X and then, at halftime, change the assignment to player Y.

This is an absurd analysis that doesn’t tell the whole story. Stats don’t tell the story as guys score and assist when they get matchup changes, emo, etc. Just watch the tape Adler has manhandled every opponents #1 and any points that come 99% of the time are when Adler is sliding or isn’t on the guy. He’s only responsible for giving up 1 point total this year to the guy he’s covered in the Ivy League which is INSANE just watch the tapes. Teams are actually game planning around him to get matchup changes now. I’m sure Princeton will have a scheme to get Mackesy free from Adler. Looking forward to a dog fight

[mountainred]

Petrakis is below 50% for the year… and actually has a worse percentage than last year. Not sure if this is a trend, but Buczek has only played him in six faceoffs the last two games.

By contrast, Cascadden is at 63%. And to your point about HS faceoff skills translating to D1, Cascadden was the #23 overall recruit per IL.

As a side note… is Cascadilla still a dorm? I think of it every time I hear Cascadden’s name.

Petrakis has been inconsistent throughout his career. He has had some strong games at key moments, though. He also has had problems this season with procedure calls, leading to man downs. Yes, Cascadden has transitioned well. But Petrakis was either the top or second ranked fogo coming out of HS, and I think he may also have been higher than the 23rd national recruit.

Good memory. If I am reading this page https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... commitment correctly, IL had him ranked #11.

[MoralTerpitude]

Cascadilla Hall is still a dorm

Theirs also a great local IPA beer (ithaca brewing company I believe) , called Cascazilla.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

Ha… of course you would know that. Makes me regret all the bad beer I drank on the hill, with so much good stuff brewed locally. Pretty much the best we’d drink was Saranac.

[jrn19]

Petrakis was 61% was a freshman in 2020 and then 49% last year. He may have been a moto grip guy who got affected a lot by the rule change in 2021.

[joewillie78]

Cascadilla Hall is still a dorm

Theirs also a great local IPA beer (ithaca brewing company I believe) , called Cascazilla.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

Ha… of course you would know that. Makes me regret all the bad beer I drank on the hill, with so much good stuff brewed locally. Pretty much the best we’d drink was Saranac.

Yup, the stuff we drank when we were undergrads was pure garbage compared to the great beers produced at all the local craft breweries now. I have a craft brewery about 1 mile down the road from where I live now that has live music every Friday night and an incredible selection of craft brews including a couple awesome IPA's, one that is Hazy, that's my favorite.
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Joewillie78

[oldbartman]

Cascadilla Hall is still a dorm

Theirs also a great local IPA beer (ithaca brewing company I believe) , called Cascazilla.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

Ha… of course you would know that. Makes me regret all the bad beer I drank on the hill, with so much good stuff brewed locally. Pretty much the best we’d drink was Saranac.

Yup, the stuff we drank when we were undergrads was pure garbage compared to the great beers produced at all the local craft breweries now. I have a craft brewery about 1 mile down the road from where I live now that has live music every Friday night and an incredible selection of craft brews including a couple awesome IPA's, one that is Hazy, that's my favorite.
Gobigred
Joewillie78

I still miss The Rongo....

[MoralTerpitude]

Cascadilla Hall is still a dorm

Theirs also a great local IPA beer (ithaca brewing company I believe) , called Cascazilla.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

Ha… of course you would know that. Makes me regret all the bad beer I drank on the hill, with so much good stuff brewed locally. Pretty much the best we’d drink was Saranac.

Yup, the stuff we drank when we were undergrads was pure garbage compared to the great beers produced at all the local craft breweries now. I have a craft brewery about 1 mile down the road from where I live now that has live music every Friday night and an incredible selection of craft brews including a couple awesome IPA's, one that is Hazy, that's my favorite.
Gobigred
Joewillie78

I still miss The Rongo....

The Rongovian Embassy! Oh man... had totally forgotten about that place. For the guitar players... do you guys remember Rumble Seat? Looks like it's closed too.

[joewillie78]

Cascadilla Hall is still a dorm

Theirs also a great local IPA beer (ithaca brewing company I believe) , called Cascazilla.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

Ha… of course you would know that. Makes me regret all the bad beer I drank on the hill, with so much good stuff brewed locally. Pretty much the best we’d drink was Saranac.

Yup, the stuff we drank when we were undergrads was pure garbage compared to the great beers produced at all the local craft breweries now. I have a craft brewery about 1 mile down the road from where I live now that has live music every Friday night and an incredible selection of craft brews including a couple awesome IPA's, one that is Hazy, that's my favorite.
Gobigred
Joewillie78

I still miss The Rongo....

The Rongovian Embassy! Oh man... had totally forgotten about that place. For the guitar players... do you guys remember Rumble Seat? Looks like it's closed too.

Yup, how about the ROYAL PALMS? That place was awesome. Now it's some ugly
Conglomeration of Glass and concrete.
I used to love the wallpaper made up of Dogs doing all sorts of things.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

[oldbartman]

Didn't Craig Jaeger have a bar, or at least work in one in Ithaca?

[faircornell]

Didn't Craig Jaeger have a bar, or at least work in one in Ithaca?

Did he work at the Chapter House? They hired a lot of football players ?

[oldbartman]

Didn't Craig Jaeger have a bar, or at least work in one in Ithaca?

Did he work at the Chapter House? They hired a lot of football players ?

Not sure. Anyone have Hendrickson or the Marino brothers contact info?

[faircornell]

Didn't Craig Jaeger have a bar, or at least work in one in Ithaca?

Did he work at the Chapter House? They hired a lot of football players ?

Not sure. Anyone have Hendrickson or the Marino brothers contact info?

If the bar had really high ceilings, dark walls and three or four rooms (and very crowded) the bar was the Chapter House.

[CU88a]

I still have a Rongo t-shirt that I pull out every once in a while; but it has shrunk!

Anyone know or remember Barangus, another establishment out near T-burg?

Royal Palm, Rulloff's, Johnnys Big Red Grill, The Chariot, The Connection, Duffy's, Dunbar, The Nines, Chapter House, etc...

The Hot Truck on West campus, and what was the food truck on North campus? Johnny's something?

Other off campus places to escape: The Depot, Fall Creek House, Glenwood Pines, etc..

I know I am forgetting many great places.

[faircornell]

I still have a Rongo t-shirt that I pull out every once in a while; but it has shrunk!

Anyone know or remember Barangus, another establishment out near T-burg?

Royal Palm, Rulloff's, Johnnys Big Red Grill, The Chariot, The Connection, Duffy's, Dunbar, The Nines, Chapter House, etc...

The Hot Truck on West campus, and what was the food truck on North campus? Johnny's something?

Other off campus places to escape: The Depot, Fall Creek House, Glenwood Pines, etc..

I know I am forgetting many great places.

I had a fraternity brother who thought Barangus was cool... I've bern there.

[DMac]

Glenwood Pines was a must stop anytime I went to a Cornell game. Nice spot, friendly people, never had a bad experience there. Might be mistaken as it was a long time ago but I'm pretty sure this was on the wall at the bar there...caught my eye.

I know that
you believe you
understand what
you think I said
but
I am not so sure
you realize that
what you heard
is not
what I meant.

[MDlaxfan76]

Glenwood Pines was a must stop anytime I went to a Cornell game. Nice spot, friendly people, never had a bad experience there. Might be mistaken as it was a long time ago but I'm pretty sure this was on the wall at the bar there...caught my eye.

I know that
you believe you
understand what
you think I said
but
I am not so sure
you realize that
what you heard
is not
what I meant.

Love that!

[laxfan1313]

Didn't Craig Jaeger have a bar, or at least work in one in Ithaca?

Did he work at the Chapter House? They hired a lot of football players ?

Not sure. Anyone have Hendrickson or the Marino brothers contact info?

I asked Craig about this - he lives in Australia. He said he was the manager of The Haunt