The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+

[runrussellrun]

... folks are acting like EVERY single alphabet person is "quality"....

Which folks?

you still emphathetic to your outward bound buddy ?

exactly

"chances are you will end up hating someone"......your words, yes ?

log cabin republicans.......but ALL r's are lousy, yes

[runrussellrun]

Is this who we are? Asking for some friends, a couple of my nephews and nieces, and several people with whom I work:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status ... 7150261248

And then, of course, there is the beer:

https://twitter.com/EuphoriTori/status/ ... 2969495553

What does the GOP stand for? It can't be governing, so.....

what a clown....you take one a$$holes clip...and ask, Is this who we are?

and yet, the 100's of thousand of "vaxx injured" are simple "anectodes"

got it

[runrussellrun]

Is this who we are? Asking for some friends, a couple of my nephews and nieces, and several people with whom I work:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status ... 7150261248

And then, of course, there is the beer:

https://twitter.com/EuphoriTori/status/ ... 2969495553

What does the GOP stand for? It can't be governing, so.....

The Exact Same Mentality…

bizarre picture......why not talk about someone you know, from the hoops dayz. Do you know anyone that "didn't "rape someone, asking for a friend.

tought out.......you still talk to a guy that you know raped someone. quality. Must BE someone

[Matnum PI]

... folks are acting like EVERY single alphabet person is "quality"....

Which folks?

you still emphathetic to your outward bound buddy ?

exactly

"chances are you will end up hating someone"......your words, yes ?

log cabin republicans.......but ALL r's are lousy, yes

#1-You didn't answer the question. And now I'm adding Republicans to my question. Who thinks all "alphabet people" or GOPers are lousy?
#2-Outward Bound? I told a story (a long time ago) about not liking someone. And I, as well as everyone who knew him within this context, felt the same way. So what? What are talking about?

[runrussellrun]

... folks are acting like EVERY single alphabet person is "quality"....

Which folks?

you still emphathetic to your outward bound buddy ?

exactly

"chances are you will end up hating someone"......your words, yes ?

log cabin republicans.......but ALL r's are lousy, yes

#1-You didn't answer the question. And now I'm adding Republicans to my question. Who thinks all "alphabet people" or GOPers are lousy? you serious with this question
#2-Outward Bound? I told a story (a long time ago) about not liking someone. And I, as well as everyone who knew him within this context, felt the same way. So what? What are talking about? empathy......selective empathy. Principles

dude, do you even read your own websites content, even within this very thread ?

b

[Matnum PI]

dude, do you even read your own websites content, even within this very thread ?

You're pointing a finger at people who think all "alphabet people" are, all GOPers are. My question is, Who are these people? This black and white thinking strikes me as strange and then... You refer to "selective empathy". As if we should feel and express empathy to all (all, again. more black and white, binary stuff) people. Life isn't binary...

[NattyBohChamps04]

Didn't know whether to put this here or the Florida thread. Slippery slope is now a slip 'n slide.

So-called 'Don't Say Gay' rules expanded through 12th grade in Florida

[MDlaxfan76]

Didn't know whether to put this here or the Florida thread. Slippery slope is now a slip 'n slide.

So-called 'Don't Say Gay' rules expanded through 12th grade in Florida

Of course they have.
Entirely predictable.

[MDlaxfan76]

dude, do you even read your own websites content, even within this very thread ?

You're pointing a finger at people who think all "alphabet people" are, all GOPers are. My question is, Who are these people? This black and white thinking strikes me as strange and then... You refer to "selective empathy". As if we should feel and express empathy to all (all, again. more black and white, binary stuff) people. Life isn't binary...

It ain't worth the digital ink.
Most of us have tried...

[Matnum PI]

It ain't worth the digital ink. Most of us have tried...

[NattyBohChamps04]

Kentucky trying to one-up Florida.

Kentucky Schools Can’t Teach Kids About Puberty Until 6th grade

[jhu72]

[old salt]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/ ... consumers/

Why Woke Companies Deliberately Alienate Their Consumers

By WILFRED REILLY, April 25, 2023
...Many large American companies, especially the “manly” ones, currently seem almost intent on alienating their primary consumer bases.

Obviously, St. Louis’s Anheuser-Busch recently attracted global attention after making Mulvaney — an adult male TikTok influencer, whose schtick is dressing and presenting as a hormonal teenage girl — one of its top few dozen faces of the brand. ...The reaction was fairly predictable...

...the oddest thing about all of this is that five minutes of research shows the Anheuser-Busch situation not to be a unique or even unusual example of extreme “social justice” marketing. ...Jack Daniel’s recently filmed an entire series of video-length, movie-quality promotional ads for Tennessee corn whiskey using the most flamboyant drag queens from RuPaul’s Drag Race. The National Basketball Association (NBA) only recently abandoned its George Floyd–era practice of literally painting “Black Lives Matter” on the hoops court and letting players wear explicitly political messages on game jerseys — making it possible to see “Racial Justice” just level “Equity” during a hard drive to the basket.

Over in football, the NFL did very much the same sort of thing, and apparently has never enforced an already tepid policy against players kneeling in protest, out on the field, during the national anthem. Nike — which equips both leagues, and whose legendary spokesman Michael Jordan once famously reminded a left-slanting reporter that “Republicans buy sneakers too” — has behaved similarly in recent years. The shoe giant not only gave a nine-figure-deal to most-famous kneeler Colin Kaepernick (is his signature sneaker designed for riding the bench? Marching in protest?) but also hired the unmistakably male Mulvaney to model women’s sportswear, such as sports bras. Finally, in perhaps the most notable example of a purely socially or politically driven decision by a business, Dick’s Sporting Goods opted in 2018 to stop selling almost all guns — despite the fact that there “was no upside in our economic analysis.”

The results of almost all these logically bizarre decisions were . . . pretty much what one would expect. In 2020, one debatably scientific but very large-n poll, which made it into the Daily Caller, found that nearly 90 percent of football fans would be less likely to watch an NFL where players visibly knelt before games. And, in fact, television ratings for the football league did drop more than 10 percent during the kneeling era (although the NFL has tried frantically to blame this on any other imaginable cause).

The NBA has faced similar if smaller-scale issues, with even famous coach Phil Jackson ...saying that he no longer watches many games because they are too annoyingly “political.” More empirically, Dick’s move flatly lost millions: In the first year after having given up firearms sales, the company lost $250,000,000 in revenue. And Bud? She lost billions — with a “b” — at least temporarily. Although causal proof here is difficult, plunges in the overall Anheuser-Busch stock price in the initial stretch of the beer boycott translated to a loss-against-cap of $5–6 billion in real money.

So, now, we get to a very obvious question: Why were these decisions ever made in the first place? ...How could anyone with a triple-digit IQ make such a long and consistently insane series of calls?

...the great Thomas Sowell provides a murky path with some illumination. In an entertaining and now-classic book, The Vision of the Anointed, Sowell makes the point that many members of the Western ruling class — including professors, media figures, politicians, and senior business executives — no longer like or understand the people that they are expected to lead. Almost universally, such would-be lairds are upper-middle or upper class in background, from the two coasts or at least one of the megacities around the Great Lakes, educated at elite Ivy-on-down universities, and well-versed in trendy social theory (“My preferred pronouns are . . .”).

Sowell claims, using a great deal of empirical data, that these folx tend to think of other Americans not as peers and countrymen so much as “the benighted” — and other more modern synonyms come easily to mind: “deplorables,” “bitter clingers” from “flyover land.” In Anointed/Benighted discourse, the goal of the Anointed isn’t an honest exchange of views so much as teaching the Benighted what the new truth is: changing and broadening their provincial little minds. It’s hard not to see a great deal of this dynamic specifically in the Dylan Mulvaney case — the executive responsible for that hire was the first female SVP ever to run the Bud Light brand, and she brutally condemned it as “fratty” and in need of some seasoning in a now-viral podcast interview.

So, how should regular citizens interact with brands that seem to hate or despise them? A short answer might be: Don’t, at least long enough for C-level executives to recognize that you notice what’s going on. After the stock-price plunge of Anheuser-Busch, the Mulvaney advertising campaign was withdrawn, and the VP responsible for it was placed on what one suspects will be a lengthy leave of absence. That took two weeks.

Even for the longer term, should you care this much about the politics of consumer goods, there are plenty of alternative versions of pretty much every product (the NFL might admittedly be an exception) in a capitalist marketplace such as America’s. Some are conservative: The Daily Wire created the now-booming Jeremy’s Razors brand in response to the surprising “wokeness” of companies such as Harry’s Razors and even Gillette — the latter of which recently ran an ad depicting a father teaching his biological daughter how to shave a beard. Others aren’t political at all: There are plenty of brewmasters in Mexico and Germany and dirty hipster warehouses in your own city that really just want to sell beer. All are out there. Take advantage!

That said, here’s one final note for the businesspeople who may be reading this (some perhaps even working at Anheuser): If you really want to make some money, put Riley Gaines on a beer can.

[NattyBohChamps04]

So multinational corporation INBEV gave one single custom can to some influencer to sell more beer to more people and the right loses its mind?

On brand. Funny how hard the right loves its cancel culture. So many of these companies have been doing this for years and no one cared. But now they're told to care and they freak the f out and cause lots of damage to stores and restaurants in toddler rages.

It's so absolutely pathetic my man.

Stock price lost some money but it's now back up and rising. hilarious stuff here.

[jhu72]

Have to laugh, some old guy dressed like Hopalong Cassidy's horse telling others how to dress.

[jhu72]

So multinational corporation INBEV gave one single custom can to some influencer to sell more beer to more people and the right loses its mind?

On brand. Funny how hard the right loves its cancel culture. So many of these companies have been doing this for years and no one cared. But now they're told to care and they freak the f out and cause lots of damage to stores and restaurants in toddler rages.

It's so absolutely pathetic my man.

Stock price lost some money but it's now back up and rising. hilarious stuff here.

... had no idea who the wanna be chick was before the Neanderthals called attention to her. She threatens their manhood, I guess. They must get a stiffy over her.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/ ... consumers/

Why Woke Companies Deliberately Alienate Their Consumers

By WILFRED REILLY, April 25, 2023
...Many large American companies, especially the “manly” ones, currently seem almost intent on alienating their primary consumer bases.

Obviously, St. Louis’s Anheuser-Busch recently attracted global attention after making Mulvaney — an adult male TikTok influencer, whose schtick is dressing and presenting as a hormonal teenage girl — one of its top few dozen faces of the brand. ...The reaction was fairly predictable...

...the oddest thing about all of this is that five minutes of research shows the Anheuser-Busch situation not to be a unique or even unusual example of extreme “social justice” marketing. ...Jack Daniel’s recently filmed an entire series of video-length, movie-quality promotional ads for Tennessee corn whiskey using the most flamboyant drag queens from RuPaul’s Drag Race. The National Basketball Association (NBA) only recently abandoned its George Floyd–era practice of literally painting “Black Lives Matter” on the hoops court and letting players wear explicitly political messages on game jerseys — making it possible to see “Racial Justice” just level “Equity” during a hard drive to the basket.

Over in football, the NFL did very much the same sort of thing, and apparently has never enforced an already tepid policy against players kneeling in protest, out on the field, during the national anthem. Nike — which equips both leagues, and whose legendary spokesman Michael Jordan once famously reminded a left-slanting reporter that “Republicans buy sneakers too” — has behaved similarly in recent years. The shoe giant not only gave a nine-figure-deal to most-famous kneeler Colin Kaepernick (is his signature sneaker designed for riding the bench? Marching in protest?) but also hired the unmistakably male Mulvaney to model women’s sportswear, such as sports bras. Finally, in perhaps the most notable example of a purely socially or politically driven decision by a business, Dick’s Sporting Goods opted in 2018 to stop selling almost all guns — despite the fact that there “was no upside in our economic analysis.”

The results of almost all these logically bizarre decisions were . . . pretty much what one would expect. In 2020, one debatably scientific but very large-n poll, which made it into the Daily Caller, found that nearly 90 percent of football fans would be less likely to watch an NFL where players visibly knelt before games. And, in fact, television ratings for the football league did drop more than 10 percent during the kneeling era (although the NFL has tried frantically to blame this on any other imaginable cause).

The NBA has faced similar if smaller-scale issues, with even famous coach Phil Jackson ...saying that he no longer watches many games because they are too annoyingly “political.” More empirically, Dick’s move flatly lost millions: In the first year after having given up firearms sales, the company lost $250,000,000 in revenue. And Bud? She lost billions — with a “b” — at least temporarily. Although causal proof here is difficult, plunges in the overall Anheuser-Busch stock price in the initial stretch of the beer boycott translated to a loss-against-cap of $5–6 billion in real money.

So, now, we get to a very obvious question: Why were these decisions ever made in the first place? ...How could anyone with a triple-digit IQ make such a long and consistently insane series of calls?

...the great Thomas Sowell provides a murky path with some illumination. In an entertaining and now-classic book, The Vision of the Anointed, Sowell makes the point that many members of the Western ruling class — including professors, media figures, politicians, and senior business executives — no longer like or understand the people that they are expected to lead. Almost universally, such would-be lairds are upper-middle or upper class in background, from the two coasts or at least one of the megacities around the Great Lakes, educated at elite Ivy-on-down universities, and well-versed in trendy social theory (“My preferred pronouns are . . .”).

Sowell claims, using a great deal of empirical data, that these folx tend to think of other Americans not as peers and countrymen so much as “the benighted” — and other more modern synonyms come easily to mind: “deplorables,” “bitter clingers” from “flyover land.” In Anointed/Benighted discourse, the goal of the Anointed isn’t an honest exchange of views so much as teaching the Benighted what the new truth is: changing and broadening their provincial little minds. It’s hard not to see a great deal of this dynamic specifically in the Dylan Mulvaney case — the executive responsible for that hire was the first female SVP ever to run the Bud Light brand, and she brutally condemned it as “fratty” and in need of some seasoning in a now-viral podcast interview.

So, how should regular citizens interact with brands that seem to hate or despise them? A short answer might be: Don’t, at least long enough for C-level executives to recognize that you notice what’s going on. After the stock-price plunge of Anheuser-Busch, the Mulvaney advertising campaign was withdrawn, and the VP responsible for it was placed on what one suspects will be a lengthy leave of absence. That took two weeks.

Even for the longer term, should you care this much about the politics of consumer goods, there are plenty of alternative versions of pretty much every product (the NFL might admittedly be an exception) in a capitalist marketplace such as America’s. Some are conservative: The Daily Wire created the now-booming Jeremy’s Razors brand in response to the surprising “wokeness” of companies such as Harry’s Razors and even Gillette — the latter of which recently ran an ad depicting a father teaching his biological daughter how to shave a beard. Others aren’t political at all: There are plenty of brewmasters in Mexico and Germany and dirty hipster warehouses in your own city that really just want to sell beer. All are out there. Take advantage!

That said, here’s one final note for the businesspeople who may be reading this (some perhaps even working at Anheuser): If you really want to make some money, put Riley Gaines on a beer can.

https://companiesmarketcap.com/anheuser ... marketcap/

Bub be fine.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193 ... %20dollars.

NBA be fine.

[a fan]

So multinational corporation INBEV gave one single custom can to some influencer to sell more beer to more people and the right loses its mind?

On brand. Funny how hard the right loves its cancel culture. So many of these companies have been doing this for years and no one cared. But now they're told to care and they freak the f out and cause lots of damage to stores and restaurants in toddler rages.

It's so absolutely pathetic my man.

Stock price lost some money but it's now back up and rising. hilarious stuff here.

... had no idea who the wanna be chick was before the Neanderthals called attention to her. She threatens their manhood, I guess. They must get a stiffy over her.

It's two things:

1. a bunch of repressed men who CLEARLY have sexual feelings that they are repressing and makes them hate themselves....because why the F else would you feel THIS threatened by some stupid beer advertisement, and spend even one second of your time paying it any mind whatsoever

2. white American men can't figure out why people/companies/culture aren't ONLY catering to them anymore. It is beyond their feeble comprehension that not everything it targeted at them, when for their entire lives, pretty much every advertisement was aimed at them either directly or indirectly.

A good example would be lacrosse telecasts on ESPN, where the producers clearly and obviously are marketing it to teenagers.....so they talk about the culture surrounding our sport more than what's happening on the field. They're selling lacrosse culture on the telecasts.....and it makes the older cats who just want them to call what's happening on the field mad. They don't want to hear about what Q or Carc's favorite restaurants are......or see Carc hang with the players and give them haircuts. They're there for the ball game.

Marketing has changed. Not only are they not selling things the way they were just 10 years ago.....they're not aiming their messages at the same demographic. This confuses the hell out of the average boomer/gen x/etc.

[a fan]

https://companiesmarketcap.com/anheuser ... marketcap/

Bub be fine.

T Sowell is case in point: he cant' figure out why everything isn't about him anymore. So he comes up with a stupid theory where it's STILL all about him.

He doesn't understand that his world has changed. It's get off my lawn old guy thinking.......

[MDlaxfan76]

I think what the piece in the National Review misses entirely, in its focus on "manly" brands "alienating" their consumers by targeting segments within their potential consumer market with "woke" ads and decisions is... that most of these decisions are being driven by attention to their employees.

It's less about seizing on opportunities to expand their customer base, though that's an important factor to consider, than it is about wanting to attract and retain the best, most productive, high value employees, both now and in the future.

And that means understanding what better educated young people expect from the companies they work for on a host of social values.

And indeed, prospective young, college and higher degree educated employees are demanding attention to such values as climate/environment and diversity/equity more openly and vigorously than had prior generations. We've known for the past two decades or so that mission-driven, 'change the world for the better', companies could attract employees at lower cost than those considered to be 'damaging' the world, but this has accelerated in an environment of scarcity of information age workers in America.

So, rather than just looking at the 'values' of current consumers of their brands, particularly the older consumers of their brands, they are concerned with assessing the values of their employees and particularly prospective young employees.

If they're not proud of their company's efforts on these dimensions, they'll hop in a heartbeat. And they'll say why, loudly.

And yikes, the "anti-woke" legislators and media have been creating a lot of tangible reasons for employees to look at their employers and demand they take a stand consistent with these employees' values.

Yes, that's played out in the NFL and NBA where they needed to take a stand against violence and harassment against women, parlaying that into campaigns to grow their audiences of women, maybe sacrificing the misogynist audience...turned out to be a big positive.

And then in the wake of George Floyd, their employees demanded that their employers take a stand, and allowing them to take a stand, against police violence and lack of accountability. That created considerable stress on the customer base, but it made these leagues more attractive to younger audiences.

Beer and liquor companies targeting LGBTQ+ audiences isn't really about appealing to new consumers, as they undoubtedly know they'll lose some, probably a net zero calc, but rather they know that to attract the digitally savvy marketing teams they employ, they need to focus on both who they hire and what the brand represents to a younger set of high purchase potential consumers.

Sure, big box retailers who decide not to sell guns sacrifice a part of their revenue...but it's darn hard to hire the very best young talent to these companies when they have so many other options...it's the employee attraction and retention issue, not the revenue.

Arguably CVS' decision to drop cigarettes was more 'on brand', but this was a conscious decision to actually be a health' brand, with the new CVS Health, acquiring Aetna, etc. Huge loss of revenue/profit from cigarettes, but the company is able to attract young employees with this brand that now isn't so obviously hypocritical as when they were selling death sticks. Others are following.

Disney was obviously an employee demand matter, given the very young employee base, many of whom are well educated, artistic, digitally savvy, etc. As the company had a legacy problem of not being as aware of sexism, racism, etc, as this generation would want, yet with an enormous cultural impact footprint, current employees over the past decade demanded that the company step up in what it produces, and be publicly opposed to policies threatening to some of its workforce.

Florida's law was such a threat and employees got loud.

I think we're going to see employees get very loud about their companies' stances on issues like abortions and guns in response to what the far-right legislatures have been doing. Almost all major companies are adopting policies that support time off and compensation for travel for employees in states with draconian anti-abortion restrictions. Pressure is going to mount on companies to choose their locations of plants, distribution centers, HQ, etc based upon the social policies of the state in ways that really didn't factor before. Employees will trump tax breaks.

And climate is definitely not going away as a big priority for young employees.