MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:39 pm
faircornell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:17 pm
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 9:42 pm
faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:59 pm
This is one of those random pieces of analysis where I believe that my calculations are correct...
Both Cornell and Princeton have strong contenders for both Ivy POY and First Team All-Ivy goaltender. Some statistics going into next Saturday's game:
POY: CJ Kirst vs Coulter Mackesy:
Mackesy:
vs Ivy Goals: 24
vs Ivy Assists: 11
vs Ivy Points: 35
Kirst:
vs Ivy Goals: 27
vs Ivy Assists: 5
vs Ivy Points: 32
First Team Goalie: Chayse Ierlan vs Michael Gianforcaro
Gianforcaro:
vs Ivy saves: 76
vs Ivy Goals Allowed: 43
Save % vs Ivy: 64%
Ierlan:
vs Ivy saves: 65
vs Ivy Goals Allowed: 41
Save % vs Ivy: 61%
These numbers are vey close. I believe that the All-Ivy team is picked based on the regular season (I am happy to be corrected). This coming game will most likely tip the scales one way or another.
Do they only take Ivy games into account, or the entire regular season? If the latter, I would think Kirst is the easy pick.
As noted by Enterprise, they only look at Ivy games, and I'm pretty sure that it's a coaches' vote as opposed to the SID process that chooses Player of the Week. Mackesy has won more Player of the Weeks than Kirst. A few of these were "coin flips" where I thought that Kirst was a legitimate candidate. This history of the POW decisions leads me to believe that this Saturday's upcoming game will help to solidify the candidacy of one versus the other. My hope for Kirst is that the Coaches use more of an "eyeball" test than simply pure statistics, but I don't know.
Thanks, I missed Enterprise’s post. It would be interesting if Mackesy won the Ivy POY, and Kirst won the Tewy. Kind of like when Duke’s Jason Williams won the National POY in basketball in 2002, and the Terps’ Juan Dixon won ACC POY.
I’m with the snake. Would love to see Cornell win it all, if it meant Kirst not winning the Tewy (this year…).
Anything is possible. What I left out of my original post is that I think that the POY/First Team Ivy goalie are linked to whoever walks away with the win. If Kirst and Ierlan both have good days, it's pretty likely that Cornell will win, and awards will follow. As with the Cornell/Army game, a team can hold Kirst to a low production day, and Cornell's other offensive threats should be enough to carry the day. If Mackesy and Gianforcaro both have good days, Cornell's chances of winning decrease. I'd argue that shutting down Mackesy hurts Princeton more than shutting down Kirst hurts Cornell.
As noted by many above, lacrosse is a team game, and the tempo and flow of both offense and defense are difficult to describe in this chat room format. My assumption is that Princeton will try to employ the game plan that worked for Penn State and Harvard against Cornell, which was strong defensive effort aimed at controlling game tempo, and pushing Cornell's precision offense off it's rhythm. The awards noted are imperfect proxies for excellent team performance.
As a final note, at 10:00AM a plaque honoring Richie Moran will be unveiled. I hope that this provides the Cornell players with a bit of extra spirit going into the contest.