NCAA Selection Discussion - Containment Thread

[rolldodge]

Interesting discussion, especially the zero-sum nature of 2 teams with the same schedule: one with better wins, the other with better losses. It all gets to what you want in the tourney. Do you reward consistency, which would point to the team with better losses? IMO, no. For bubble teams, I'd prefer the team with the higher "standard deviation" of performance - the team with better wins (and worse losses) - as that team is more likely to upset a highly ranked team in the tourney.

I agree. Teams should be judged mainly by their wins. Losses should be accounted for but carry less weight. Wins should always improve a teams standing, losses should always hurt.

I was really surprised that this was not the dominant opinion actually. I did a twitter poll asking the question above about the same record + a win vs a lowly ranked team. Not that it's scientific and who knows how many of the answers were trolling, but 57% said that the team with the extra win should be left out.

I would be fine with the boost from a terrible win being very close to zero, but I feel like it has to be positive certainly.

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

[laxreference]

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

It's funny, when I originally posted the question, I said "who would get the bid". And then thinking the same thing I changed it to "should get the bid". Hoped to avoid that exact situation, but you are probably right.

[runrussellrun]

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

It's funny, when I originally posted the question, I said "who would get the bid". And then thinking the same thing I changed it to "should get the bid". Hoped to avoid that exact situation, but you are probably right.

Doesn't Team B have a "better" winning percentage?

Yes.

There, fixed it for you.

TEAM B gets a bid......your sales manager doesn't give a crap about your rpi/sos.

[rolldodge]

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

It's funny, when I originally posted the question, I said "who would get the bid". And then thinking the same thing I changed it to "should get the bid". Hoped to avoid that exact situation, but you are probably right.

Doesn't Team B have a "better" winning percentage?

Yes.

There, fixed it for you.

TEAM B gets a bid......your sales manager doesn't give a crap about your rpi/sos.

What if... the regular season was entirely out of conference. Teams got assigned schedules that ranged across all other conferences.

Then, the conference tournaments were an extension of the NCAA tournament. All teams get invited to their conference tournament. Winner gets an AQ. At larges then selected from the settled dust.

[rolldodge]

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

It's funny, when I originally posted the question, I said "who would get the bid". And then thinking the same thing I changed it to "should get the bid". Hoped to avoid that exact situation, but you are probably right.

Doesn't Team B have a "better" winning percentage?

Yes.

There, fixed it for you.

TEAM B gets a bid......your sales manager doesn't give a crap about your rpi/sos.

The only way this works is if scheduling is highly controlled and centralized, a la the NFL.

[runrussellrun]

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

It's funny, when I originally posted the question, I said "who would get the bid". And then thinking the same thing I changed it to "should get the bid". Hoped to avoid that exact situation, but you are probably right.

Doesn't Team B have a "better" winning percentage?

Yes.

There, fixed it for you.

TEAM B gets a bid......your sales manager doesn't give a crap about your rpi/sos.

What if... the regular season was entirely out of conference. Teams got assigned schedules that ranged across all other conferences.

Then, the conference tournaments were an extension of the NCAA tournament. All teams get invited to their conference tournament. Winner gets an AQ. At larges then selected from the settled dust.

yeah, why not ?

laxmasons will cry "rivalry" and "tradition", but the vast majority of the lacrosse world, like the thousands of newbies introduced to the sport their sophomore year at places like Harrisonburg, Va or Bellow Falls, Vt, could give a crap.

These same kids buy lacrosse stuff, yes ?

lacrosse is a wonderful, beautiful sport. everything the creator intended. Being serious. won't bore with "political type " thought ...

ironic, we/software, did exactly that, as a "model". Nationwide scheduling. (one based on the scary climate change carbon footprint thing. Starting in 2025, teams like UMBC will have to walk to games. Umass to Yale is a one day bike trip )

Wouldn't be fun for Maryland to stop for dinner at his mentees and former players home around Burlington, vt.

Or Hopkins visiting former standout player, coach, in Providence, RI .

Shame, with so many Hopkins fans in the world, you would think that NEVER having played a single, regular season game against a New England college lacrosse program, would bug them. The drive from Weston Mass. to 'Cuse or Princeton (the closest to Boston area ), is mostly a hotel stay. Watching Hopkins play Harvard ? You don't even have time to finish a small "cigar" on the car ride home.

[runrussellrun]

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

It's funny, when I originally posted the question, I said "who would get the bid". And then thinking the same thing I changed it to "should get the bid". Hoped to avoid that exact situation, but you are probably right.

Doesn't Team B have a "better" winning percentage?

Yes.

There, fixed it for you.

TEAM B gets a bid......your sales manager doesn't give a crap about your rpi/sos.

The only way this works is if scheduling is highly controlled and centralized, a la the NFL.

Sure, reality dictates otherwise.

My emphasis is on inter league/OOC play. Or the lack there of. Easy to use a "formula" to take this into account, too.

Navy and Loyola.......mainly the only two from the Patriot league, that hit up the usual suspects schedules. Wahoos are gonna take a massive rpi hit after playing Lafayette, getting another taste of Holy Cross' sour, winless season. Already had sloppy seconds from playing 'Cuse.

but , yeah, using winning % is silly.......

[rolldodge]

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

It's funny, when I originally posted the question, I said "who would get the bid". And then thinking the same thing I changed it to "should get the bid". Hoped to avoid that exact situation, but you are probably right.

Doesn't Team B have a "better" winning percentage?

Yes.

There, fixed it for you.

TEAM B gets a bid......your sales manager doesn't give a crap about your rpi/sos.

What if... the regular season was entirely out of conference. Teams got assigned schedules that ranged across all other conferences.

Then, the conference tournaments were an extension of the NCAA tournament. All teams get invited to their conference tournament. Winner gets an AQ. At larges then selected from the settled dust.

yeah, why not ?

laxmasons will cry "rivalry" and "tradition", but the vast majority of the lacrosse world, like the thousands of newbies introduced to the sport their sophomore year at places like Harrisonburg, Va or Bellow Falls, Vt, could give a crap.

These same kids buy lacrosse stuff, yes ?

lacrosse is a wonderful, beautiful sport. everything the creator intended. Being serious. won't bore with "political type " thought ...

ironic, we/software, did exactly that, as a "model". Nationwide scheduling. (one based on the scary climate change carbon footprint thing. Starting in 2025, teams like UMBC will have to walk to games. Umass to Yale is a one day bike trip )

Wouldn't be fun for Maryland to stop for dinner at his mentees and former players home around Burlington, vt.

Or Hopkins visiting former standout player, coach, in Providence, RI .

Shame, with so many Hopkins fans in the world, you would think that NEVER having played a single, regular season game against a New England college lacrosse program, would bug them. The drive from Weston Mass. to 'Cuse or Princeton (the closest to Boston area ), is mostly a hotel stay. Watching Hopkins play Harvard ? You don't even have time to finish a small "cigar" on the car ride home.

You get your "rivalry" and "tradition" in the conference tournament. Conferences have little to do nowadays with location.

[runrussellrun]

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

It's funny, when I originally posted the question, I said "who would get the bid". And then thinking the same thing I changed it to "should get the bid". Hoped to avoid that exact situation, but you are probably right.

Doesn't Team B have a "better" winning percentage?

Yes.

There, fixed it for you.

TEAM B gets a bid......your sales manager doesn't give a crap about your rpi/sos.

What if... the regular season was entirely out of conference. Teams got assigned schedules that ranged across all other conferences.

Then, the conference tournaments were an extension of the NCAA tournament. All teams get invited to their conference tournament. Winner gets an AQ. At larges then selected from the settled dust.

yeah, why not ?

laxmasons will cry "rivalry" and "tradition", but the vast majority of the lacrosse world, like the thousands of newbies introduced to the sport their sophomore year at places like Harrisonburg, Va or Bellow Falls, Vt, could give a crap.

These same kids buy lacrosse stuff, yes ?

lacrosse is a wonderful, beautiful sport. everything the creator intended. Being serious. won't bore with "political type " thought ...

ironic, we/software, did exactly that, as a "model". Nationwide scheduling. (one based on the scary climate change carbon footprint thing. Starting in 2025, teams like UMBC will have to walk to games. Umass to Yale is a one day bike trip )

Wouldn't be fun for Maryland to stop for dinner at his mentees and former players home around Burlington, vt.

Or Hopkins visiting former standout player, coach, in Providence, RI .

Shame, with so many Hopkins fans in the world, you would think that NEVER having played a single, regular season game against a New England college lacrosse program, would bug them. The drive from Weston Mass. to 'Cuse or Princeton (the closest to Boston area ), is mostly a hotel stay. Watching Hopkins play Harvard ? You don't even have time to finish a small "cigar" on the car ride home.

You get your "rivalry" and "tradition" in the conference tournament. Conferences have little to do nowadays with location.

Carc won't cut your hair with that kind of attitude.....

[rolldodge]

I suspect its a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. And a case of people confusing what they think "would" happen vs what they think "should" happen.

It's funny, when I originally posted the question, I said "who would get the bid". And then thinking the same thing I changed it to "should get the bid". Hoped to avoid that exact situation, but you are probably right.

Doesn't Team B have a "better" winning percentage?

Yes.

There, fixed it for you.

TEAM B gets a bid......your sales manager doesn't give a crap about your rpi/sos.

What if... the regular season was entirely out of conference. Teams got assigned schedules that ranged across all other conferences.

Then, the conference tournaments were an extension of the NCAA tournament. All teams get invited to their conference tournament. Winner gets an AQ. At larges then selected from the settled dust.

yeah, why not ?

laxmasons will cry "rivalry" and "tradition", but the vast majority of the lacrosse world, like the thousands of newbies introduced to the sport their sophomore year at places like Harrisonburg, Va or Bellow Falls, Vt, could give a crap.

These same kids buy lacrosse stuff, yes ?

lacrosse is a wonderful, beautiful sport. everything the creator intended. Being serious. won't bore with "political type " thought ...

ironic, we/software, did exactly that, as a "model". Nationwide scheduling. (one based on the scary climate change carbon footprint thing. Starting in 2025, teams like UMBC will have to walk to games. Umass to Yale is a one day bike trip )

Wouldn't be fun for Maryland to stop for dinner at his mentees and former players home around Burlington, vt.

Or Hopkins visiting former standout player, coach, in Providence, RI .

Shame, with so many Hopkins fans in the world, you would think that NEVER having played a single, regular season game against a New England college lacrosse program, would bug them. The drive from Weston Mass. to 'Cuse or Princeton (the closest to Boston area ), is mostly a hotel stay. Watching Hopkins play Harvard ? You don't even have time to finish a small "cigar" on the car ride home.

You get your "rivalry" and "tradition" in the conference tournament. Conferences have little to do nowadays with location.

Carc won't your hair with that kind of attitude.....

[CU77]

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[Gobigred]

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Ridiculous to have Denver at 10 rather than Penn. Penn has better RPI (10 vs. 11), better SOS (7 vs. 21) and a 2-3 record against top 10 teams vs. Denver's 0-3.

[joewillie78]

Latest committee top 10:


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Ridiculous to have Denver at 10 rather than Penn. Penn has better RPI (10 vs. 11), better SOS (7 vs. 21) and a 2-3 record against top 10 teams vs. Denver's 0-3.

Is Penn getting "Cornelled" by the committee?

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Joewillie78

[Gobigred]

Latest committee top 10:


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Ridiculous to have Denver at 10 rather than Penn. Penn has better RPI (10 vs. 11), better SOS (7 vs. 21) and a 2-3 record against top 10 teams vs. Denver's 0-3.

Is Penn getting "Cornelled" by the committee?

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Joewillie78

Parting gift to Tierney?

[CU77]

This committee is definitely producing head-scratching rankings, like Army #10 last week.

I also remember that a few years back when @laxfilmroom did a machine-learning analysis of committee choices, the interim rankings actually had a negative correlation with final results. I suspect that the committee members (who all have day jobs) do not put a lot of time or effort into these.

[Bluecollar]

Latest committee top 10:


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Ridiculous to have Denver at 10 rather than Penn. Penn has better RPI (10 vs. 11), better SOS (7 vs. 21) and a 2-3 record against top 10 teams vs. Denver's 0-3.

Not to mention Penn has the better "best" win (#6 RPI Georgetown vs. Denver's best win over #12 RPI Villanova).

Not to say that Penn is "in", but they should certainly be ahead of Denver at this point in the rankings/selection process.

[PizzaSnake]

Latest committee top 10:


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Ridiculous to have Denver at 10 rather than Penn. Penn has better RPI (10 vs. 11), better SOS (7 vs. 21) and a 2-3 record against top 10 teams vs. Denver's 0-3.

Not to mention Penn has the better "best" win (#6 RPI Georgetown vs. Denver's best win over #12 RPI Villanova).

Not to say that Penn is "in", but they should certainly be ahead of Denver at this point in the rankings/selection process.

Penn fcuked up this season, so their back’s against the wall. Win the Ivy tourney, simple. Take charge.

Christ I don’t want to hear any Notre Dame-esque whingeing.

[jrn19]

Did Denver not fckup? what makes them any different?

[PizzaSnake]

Did Denver not fckup? what makes them any different?

Don’t care about Denver.

[jrn19]

Did Denver not fckup? what makes them any different?

Don’t care about Denver.

so why did you reply to a post talking about them?